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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2021 8:51:29 GMT -5
. Last year he had no choice. He hay to play the mediocre They brought guys in that are upgrades. Think about it why would Jones want to throw him the ball of there is a 50 chance it won't be caught. Even with EE drops .His catch % was higher than Slaton. He was at the bottom of the team in % and that is wit a bad reciever group. I get all that....and not disputing any of it. All I am saying that if Slayton puts things together and lights it up he will be on the field a lot. His salary makes zero difference if he is getting the job done. I will ask again .Who is siting so he gets snaps? He had a opportunity last season . With the 3 ahead of him. What warrents him taking snaps away from Shep, Golladay or Toney? |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 19, 2021 9:17:09 GMT -5
I get all that....and not disputing any of it. All I am saying that if Slayton puts things together and lights it up he will be on the field a lot. His salary makes zero difference if he is getting the job done. I will ask again .Who is siting so he gets snaps? He had a opportunity last season . With the 3 ahead of him. What warrents him taking snaps away from Shep, Golladay or Toney? let's hope the problem is that they are all playing so well, it's hard to decide who to sit. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2021 9:21:54 GMT -5
I will ask again .Who is siting so he gets snaps? He had a opportunity last season . With the 3 ahead of him. What warrents him taking snaps away from Shep, Golladay or Toney? let's hope the problem is that they are all playing so well, it's hard to decide who to sit. I can tell you just by what transpired in the off-season .That decision had been made. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 19, 2021 9:58:47 GMT -5
I get all that....and not disputing any of it. All I am saying that if Slayton puts things together and lights it up he will be on the field a lot. His salary makes zero difference if he is getting the job done. I will ask again .Who is siting so he gets snaps? He had a opportunity last season . With the 3 ahead of him. What warrents him taking snaps away from Shep, Golladay or Toney? who's sitting? Who ever may not performing as well thats who's sitting. Ultimately it may be Slayton not performing well. The pecking order is fluid |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 19, 2021 10:16:44 GMT -5
I will ask again .Who is siting so he gets snaps? He had a opportunity last season . With the 3 ahead of him. What warrents him taking snaps away from Shep, Golladay or Toney? who's sitting? Who ever may not performing as well thats who's sitting. Ultimately it may be Slayton not performing well. The pecking order is fluid Preferably all things being equal for legit modern contemporary offense you need every one of the playmaksrs to threaten the entire field so that it opens up everything else If Slayton is effective in his role as the high end complimentary deep theat opposite Golladay then it comes down to between Toney and Shepard.. |
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Post by Roswell on Jul 19, 2021 10:20:38 GMT -5
who's sitting? Who ever may not performing as well thats who's sitting. Ultimately it may be Slayton not performing well. The pecking order is fluid Preferably all things being equal for legit modern contemporary offense you need every one of the playmaksrs to threaten the entire field so that it opens up everything else If Slayton is effective in his role as the high end complimentary deep theat opposite Golladay then it comes down to between Toney and Shepard.. That's how I see it. Slayton can be like Gallup. Shepard will be in the slot. Toney will get touches in many different formations, whether they be screens or handoffs or split out wide. They may even go 4 wide at times. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 19, 2021 10:45:59 GMT -5
who's sitting? Who ever may not performing as well thats who's sitting. Ultimately it may be Slayton not performing well. The pecking order is fluid Preferably all things being equal for legit modern contemporary offense you need every one of the playmaksrs to threaten the entire field so that it opens up everything else If Slayton is effective in his role as the high end complimentary deep theat opposite Golladay then it comes down to between Toney and Shepard.. yeah.....above and beyond scheme and all that it comes down to who Jones is being consistently successful with. I hope its 4 or 5 different receivers. But if Slayton emerges as a top target then they will change the scheme to fit him in. All I am getting at that the players who produce will get the most reps. Will it be Slayton? IDK |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 19, 2021 11:42:00 GMT -5
I get all that....and not disputing any of it. All I am saying that if Slayton puts things together and lights it up he will be on the field a lot. His salary makes zero difference if he is getting the job done. I will ask again .Who is siting so he gets snaps? He had a opportunity last season . With the 3 ahead of him. What warrents him taking snaps away from Shep, Golladay or Toney? I'll answer this question. And this is as someone who thinks Slayton is an avg. receiver and the team's offseason actions says that the coaching staff doesn't see Slayton as being able to be a top wideout. The only receiver who will be out there for all snaps is Golladay. Slayton, Shep, Ross and Toney will all be rotating in. You speak very highly of Shepard who has had 5 years to break out with this team and still hasn't despite a higher draft pedigree and coming out as a more polished player (Slayton dropped to the 5th because he needed to develop). You are leaning solely on a single stat, being catch rate, which, like all stats doesn't tell the whole story. With his supposedly "beastly" skills the guy hasn't been able to crack 66 receptions despite being a starting possession receiver for 3 years now. Shep is a JAG, and Toney will likely take more of Shep's snaps from the slot than Slayton's snaps on the outside. So, yes, Slayton will be taking snaps from both Toney and Shepard. Now, will he "break out?" I think he and Golloday will be utilize alternatively with one stretching the field while the other works the intermediate routes. I don't see Slayton being a 1,000 yard receiver, but I do think he still has room to improve, again he was a 5th rounder for a reason, and can be a significant part of the offense. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2021 14:22:29 GMT -5
I will ask again .Who is siting so he gets snaps? He had a opportunity last season . With the 3 ahead of him. What warrents him taking snaps away from Shep, Golladay or Toney? I'll answer this question. And this is as someone who thinks Slayton is an avg. receiver and the team's offseason actions says that the coaching staff doesn't see Slayton as being able to be a top wideout. The only receiver who will be out there for all snaps is Golladay. Slayton, Shep, Ross and Toney will all be rotating in. You speak very highly of Shepard who has had 5 years to break out with this team and still hasn't despite a higher draft pedigree and coming out as a more polished player (Slayton dropped to the 5th because he needed to develop). You are leaning solely on a single stat, being catch rate, which, like all stats doesn't tell the whole story. With his supposedly "beastly" skills the guy hasn't been able to crack 66 receptions despite being a starting possession receiver for 3 years now. Shep is a JAG, and Toney will likely take more of Shep's snaps from the slot than Slayton's snaps on the outside. So, yes, Slayton will be taking snaps from both Toney and Shepard. Now, will he "break out?" I think he and Golloday will be utilize alternatively with one stretching the field while the other works the intermediate routes. I don't see Slayton being a 1,000 yard receiver, but I do think he still has room to improve, again he was a 5th rounder for a reason, and can be a significant part of the offense. Shepard has been the most consistent reciever we have had .His reception percentage has been in the upper 60s and low 70s. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 19, 2021 17:29:06 GMT -5
Sorry Mike that Giants are not sitting a 1st round pick, A WR with a 9 million dollar contract this year( beast hands and route runner) or a receiver they singed for 72 million. No need to be sorry. We will see what happens. I don't think they sit Toney. I think they get creative how they use him and it won't be simply sticking him at the X WR spot. Slayton has that spot until I see otherwise.
If you are right and Toney takes that spot then of course Slayton won't get much work at all.
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Post by TEM on Jul 19, 2021 18:26:04 GMT -5
Sorry Mike that Giants are not sitting a 1st round pick, A WR with a 9 million dollar contract this year( beast hands and route runner) or a receiver they singed for 72 million. No need to be sorry. We will see what happens. I don't think they sit Toney. I think they get creative how they use him and it won't be simply sticking him at the X WR spot. Slayton has that spot until I see otherwise.
If you are right and Toney takes that spot then of course Slayton won't get much work at all.
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 19, 2021 19:04:29 GMT -5
No need to be sorry. We will see what happens. I don't think they sit Toney. I think they get creative how they use him and it won't be simply sticking him at the X WR spot. Slayton has that spot until I see otherwise.
If you are right and Toney takes that spot then of course Slayton won't get much work at all.
Let's agree to disagree We don't need to. The decision will be made and we will see who was correct. I do think in time Toney can (and will) take that X WR role but I doubt it will be this year, at least not to start the year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 5:27:57 GMT -5
We don't need to. The decision will be made and we will see who was correct. I do think in time Toney can (and will) take that X WR role but I doubt it will be this year, at least not to start the year. Vegas odds have you as a decided underdog... TEM (-335) vs. Irish (+255)...and I placed a nice bet on yourself, strictly on Toneys attitude. Odds are stacked against you due to the one silly fact of football talent...Toney>>>>> Slayton I'm thinking you will be correct, and let the board know this unusual event.... if Toney's latest record, Bitch, Don't Kill My Way White QB, reaches double magnesium in sales. If Toney can deal with music and football, TEM destroys the who is correct battle and you lose yet again in told you so...and Mr T becomes the number 2 on talent alone. |
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Post by idkaname on Jul 20, 2021 5:59:13 GMT -5
We don't need to. The decision will be made and we will see who was correct. I do think in time Toney can (and will) take that X WR role but I doubt it will be this year, at least not to start the year. Vegas odds have you as a decided underdog... TEM (-335) vs. Irish (+255)...and I placed a nice bet on yourself, strictly on Toneys attitude. Odds are stacked against you due to the one silly fact of football talent...Toney>>>>> Slayton I'm thinking you will be correct, and let the board know this unusual event.... if Toney's latest record, Bitch, Don't Kill My Way White QB, reaches double magnesium in sales. If Toney can deal with music and football, TEM destroys the who is correct battle and you lose yet again in told you so...and Mr T becomes the number 2 on talent alone. I had a stroke reading this 😂 |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 20, 2021 6:38:21 GMT -5
Vegas odds have you as a decided underdog... TEM (-335) vs. Irish (+255)...and I placed a nice bet on yourself, strictly on Toneys attitude. Odds are stacked against you due to the one silly fact of football talent...Toney>>>>> Slayton I'm thinking you will be correct, and let the board know this unusual event.... if Toney's latest record, Bitch, Don't Kill My Way White QB, reaches double magnesium in sales. If Toney can deal with music and football, TEM destroys the who is correct battle and you lose yet again in told you so...and Mr T becomes the number 2 on talent alone. I had a stroke reading this 😂 hey now, Mr T has a lot of talent...  |
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Post by TEM on Jul 20, 2021 7:47:14 GMT -5
We don't need to. The decision will be made and we will see who was correct. I do think in time Toney can (and will) take that X WR role but I doubt it will be this year, at least not to start the year. I will say it again .If Toney is not at least the #3 reciever on the team game 1. The entire FO and JJ totally pooched the first round. It is a simple calculus. A 6 and 10 team lacks the talent to compete. Not adding a week one player with a first round pick does not fall in line with a coaching staff or FO that is fully committed to winning. We had a limited draft. 5 picks . If our first 2 picks are not in the 75 80 percentile in offensive and defensive snap counts We did not inject talent in this draft. This is where logic falls apart with you Slayton guys . I think I can speak for everyone on this site when I say this. It is expected our 2nd round Azeez Ojulari to be one of our OLBs when we take the field against Denver. It makes sense because our pass rush from the edge has been below average. So it is logical to see we needed an upgrade. So where is the same attitude that we need upgrade with 2 of our top 3 receivers. In 2019 Jones and Eli and Jones had a 61.9 completion percentage. 18 diffrent players were targeted with passes. Slayton was 15th on that list in catch percentage 57.1 He only had 2 drops out of 84 targets. In 2020 Jones had a 62.5 and Colt had a 60.6 completion percentage . 15 different players were targeted with passes. Slayton was 14th on that list. 52.1 catch percentage. He only had 6 drops out of 95 targets. So why would you not want a to upgrade that reciever? |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 20, 2021 10:28:32 GMT -5
I'll answer this question. And this is as someone who thinks Slayton is an avg. receiver and the team's offseason actions says that the coaching staff doesn't see Slayton as being able to be a top wideout. The only receiver who will be out there for all snaps is Golladay. Slayton, Shep, Ross and Toney will all be rotating in. You speak very highly of Shepard who has had 5 years to break out with this team and still hasn't despite a higher draft pedigree and coming out as a more polished player (Slayton dropped to the 5th because he needed to develop). You are leaning solely on a single stat, being catch rate, which, like all stats doesn't tell the whole story. With his supposedly "beastly" skills the guy hasn't been able to crack 66 receptions despite being a starting possession receiver for 3 years now. Shep is a JAG, and Toney will likely take more of Shep's snaps from the slot than Slayton's snaps on the outside. So, yes, Slayton will be taking snaps from both Toney and Shepard. Now, will he "break out?" I think he and Golloday will be utilize alternatively with one stretching the field while the other works the intermediate routes. I don't see Slayton being a 1,000 yard receiver, but I do think he still has room to improve, again he was a 5th rounder for a reason, and can be a significant part of the offense. Shepard has been the most consistent reciever we have had .His reception percentage has been in the upper 60s and low 70s. Of course is reception percentage is high, the guy averaged less than 10 yards a catch. Easy to pad the reception % when you're catching a bunch of 6 yard receptions. His receiving numbers look like those of a running back. Shep has been consistent. Consistently mediocre. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 20, 2021 10:42:57 GMT -5
Shepard has been the most consistent reciever we have had .His reception percentage has been in the upper 60s and low 70s. Of course is reception percentage is high, the guy averaged less than 10 yards a catch. Easy to pad the reception % when you're catching a bunch of 6 yard receptions. His receiving numbers look like those of a running back. Shep has been consistent. Consistently mediocre. That is not his problem . He runs the route the play tells him to. Now you are delving into coaching is the problem ....... Right!!!!!!!!., |
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Post by Dezzr on Jul 20, 2021 11:26:10 GMT -5
Of course is reception percentage is high, the guy averaged less than 10 yards a catch. Easy to pad the reception % when you're catching a bunch of 6 yard receptions. His receiving numbers look like those of a running back. Shep has been consistent. Consistently mediocre. That is not his problem . He runs the route the play tells him to. Now you are delving into coaching is the problem ....... Right!!!!!!!!., Staying on the field is Sheps problem. He's missed 10 games in the last 2 years.
But Trueblue does bring up a good point. If he is as good as your claiming, why aren't the coaches drawing up routes longer than 10-15 yards for him? This is why I'd rather Slayton over Shep, Slayton can stretch the field.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 20, 2021 11:36:32 GMT -5
Of course is reception percentage is high, the guy averaged less than 10 yards a catch. Easy to pad the reception % when you're catching a bunch of 6 yard receptions. His receiving numbers look like those of a running back. Shep has been consistent. Consistently mediocre. That is not his problem . He runs the route the play tells him to. Now you are delving into coaching is the problem ....... Right!!!!!!!!., Except that's been his MO for his entire career spanning 4 different coaching staffs now. He is a possession receiver that is not able to win downfield. It's what he came into the league as, it's what he's been his whole career. He's a JAG. Which is fine, but he's not getting better going into his 6th season. With Slayton there is at least a chance of him still improving since he was known to be a project coming into the league. And again, I don't see Slayton "breaking out" so much, but I do recognize that outside of Golladay the rest of the receivers are all likely going to be splitting snaps. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 20, 2021 11:38:51 GMT -5
That is not his problem . He runs the route the play tells him to. Now you are delving into coaching is the problem ....... Right!!!!!!!!., Staying on the field is Sheps problem. He's missed 10 games in the last 2 years.
But Trueblue does bring up a good point. If he is as good as your claiming, why aren't the coaches drawing up routes longer than 10-15 yards for him? This is why I'd rather Slayton over Shep, Slayton can stretch the field.
Let me get this straight .You would rather have a player that has a 48% chance he won't catch the ball on the field ,over a player that has a 27% chance he won't catch at the ball. Mediocrity has been so engrained into the giants fan's thought process it is accepted as good? As far a your question 73% of the pass plays in the entire league are 0-10 yards  The NFL lives where Shepard excels. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 20, 2021 11:40:55 GMT -5
That is not his problem . He runs the route the play tells him to. Now you are delving into coaching is the problem ....... Right!!!!!!!!., Except that's been his MO for his entire career spanning 4 different coaching staffs now. He is a possession receiver that is not able to win downfield. It's what he came into the league as, it's what he's been his whole career. He's a JAG. Which is fine, but he's not getting better going into his 6th season. With Slayton there is at least a chance of him still improving since he was known to be a project coming into the league. And again, I don't see Slayton "breaking out" so much, but I do recognize that outside of Golladay the rest of the receivers are all likely going to be splitting snaps. Come on the QB's completion percentage went up and his went down. If you are a GM and HC .What does that say? That his is going to get better? Or do sign high end FAs and use 1st round picks. I will say it again if Toney is not on the field . They messed up the first round pick .If the 9 million dollar player with the 73% reception percentage is on the bench. That is asinine. |
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Post by Dezzr on Jul 20, 2021 12:01:57 GMT -5
Staying on the field is Sheps problem. He's missed 10 games in the last 2 years.
But Trueblue does bring up a good point. If he is as good as your claiming, why aren't the coaches drawing up routes longer than 10-15 yards for him? This is why I'd rather Slayton over Shep, Slayton can stretch the field.
Let me get this straight .You would rather have a player that has a 48% chance he won't catch the ball on the field ,over a player that has a 27% chance he won at the ball. Mediocrity has been so engrained into the giants fan's thought process it is accepted as good? As far a you question 73%of the pass plays in the entire league are 0-10 yards I just told you why Id rather Slayton, he can stretch the field, he's much more explosive. What does this chart have to do with Shepard running deeper routes once in while? Either coaches dont think he can or they think Slayton is a better deep threat option.
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Post by TEM on Jul 20, 2021 12:23:19 GMT -5
Let me get this straight .You would rather have a player that has a 48% chance he won't catch the ball on the field ,over a player that has a 27% chance he won at the ball. Mediocrity has been so engrained into the giants fan's thought process it is accepted as good? As far a you question 73%of the pass plays in the entire league are 0-10 yards I just told you why Id rather Slayton, he can stretch the field, he's much more explosive. What does this chart have to do with Shepard running deeper routes once in while? Either coaches dont think he can or they think Slayton is a better deep threat option.
"He is a deep ball threat" A false narrative made by fans to accept medoriticy . In 2019 Slayton had a 37% catch percentage on ball thrown at him 20+ yards. In 2020 his catch precentage was 35 20+ yards.. So if a pass thrown at him 20+ yards .There is a 64% chance of that pass being incomplete. Here is the problem .DJ is named one of the top deep ball passers in the league. Some are catching his deep balls. Why are Slayton's numbers so low? Because the QB is throwing to a spot ( catch window) and he is outside of it. AKA bad route running. |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 20, 2021 14:12:24 GMT -5
Except that's been his MO for his entire career spanning 4 different coaching staffs now. He is a possession receiver that is not able to win downfield. It's what he came into the league as, it's what he's been his whole career. He's a JAG. Which is fine, but he's not getting better going into his 6th season. With Slayton there is at least a chance of him still improving since he was known to be a project coming into the league. And again, I don't see Slayton "breaking out" so much, but I do recognize that outside of Golladay the rest of the receivers are all likely going to be splitting snaps. Come on the QB's completion percentage went up and his went down. If you are a GM and HC .What does that say? That his is going to get better? Or do sign high end FAs and use 1st round picks. I will say it again if Toney is not on the field . They messed up the first round pick .If the 9 million dollar player with the 73% reception percentage is on the bench. That is asinine. That's a ridiculous statement to make that not playing a rookie full time means it's a waste of a first round pick. A ton of rookies, of all sorts of draft capital, play in spot roles their first year. And again, you keep harping only on catch rate as a single data point and leaning solely on that point. And yes, I would suspect that a player going into his 3rd year has a higher chance of improving than a player going into his 6th year. Tons of players have sophmore slumps, it's whether they improve afterward that determines if they'll be a long term NFL player. Again, I don't think Slayton will be great. But, Shep has not played to the level that would preclude him from sharing snaps with another average player, regardless of his ability to catch a high rate of 5 yard outs. Especially if they plan on playing Toney in the slot and having Golloday win in the intermediate routes. Slayton (or Ross) makes much more sense on the outside to take the top off the defense than Shep does. Also, you do know that Toney projects more as Shep's replacement long term right? There's a very high likelihood that Shep is cut after this season. Heck, to be fair there is a good chance both are no longer on the team come 2022. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 20, 2021 14:16:41 GMT -5
Let me get this straight .You would rather have a player that has a 48% chance he won't catch the ball on the field ,over a player that has a 27% chance he won at the ball. Mediocrity has been so engrained into the giants fan's thought process it is accepted as good? As far a you question 73%of the pass plays in the entire league are 0-10 yards I just told you why Id rather Slayton, he can stretch the field, he's much more explosive. What does this chart have to do with Shepard running deeper routes once in while? Either coaches dont think he can or they think Slayton is a better deep threat option.
100% agree And again I have to repeat modern offenses require as many players on the field as possible to frighten defenses into having to defend the entire field,which then opens up everything else Take charts and stats and burn them The last 2 super bowl champions did this ..and had this |
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Post by piddy283 on Jul 20, 2021 14:37:05 GMT -5
We don't need to. The decision will be made and we will see who was correct. I do think in time Toney can (and will) take that X WR role but I doubt it will be this year, at least not to start the year. I will say it again .If Toney is not at least the #3 reciever on the team game 1. The entire FO and JJ totally pooched the first round. It is a simple calculus. A 6 and 10 team lacks the talent to compete. Not adding a week one player with a first round pick does not fall in line with a coaching staff or FO that is fully committed to winning. We had a limited draft. 5 picks . If our first 2 picks are not in the 75 80 percentile in offensive and defensive snap counts We did not inject talent in this draft. This is where logic falls apart with you Slayton guys . I think I can speak for everyone on this site when I say this. It is expected our 2nd round Azeez Ojulari to be one of our OLBs when we take the field against Denver. It makes sense because our pass rush from the edge has been below average. So it is logical to see we needed an upgrade. So where is the same attitude that we need upgrade with 2 of our top 3 receivers. In 2019 Jones and Eli and Jones had a 61.9 completion percentage. 18 diffrent players were targeted with passes. Slayton was 15th on that list in catch percentage 57.1 He only had 2 drops out of 84 targets. In 2020 Jones had a 62.5 and Colt had a 60.6 completion percentage . 15 different players were targeted with passes. Slayton was 14th on that list. 52.1 catch percentage. He only had 6 drops out of 95 targets. So why would you not want a to upgrade that reciever? You seem to be taking a lot of hard stances here and I'm not sure why. For one, "us Slayton guys" are simply pointing out reasons why we think he can succeed. This whole, "we'll see who is right" is an odd stance for a Giants fan to have when talking about Giants players. If Slayton does work, we'll all be happy. If Slayton doesn't work, but Toney/Pettis/Ross does, we'll all be happy. Win-win. You're not wrong, the expectation for 1st and 2nd rounders should typically be for them to start Day 1. The problem with that golden rule is all teams and situations in football aren't equal. The Giants are a perfect example. Going into the draft, WR was no longer a glaring need due to the additions we made in FA. LB was. Drafting Toney has the potential to make what looked to be a good WR group very good....maybe even great. He's the icing on the cake. It's not apples to apples, but the concept is similar to when we drafted JPP and already had a great DE group. We made a strength stronger. Whether Toney ends up as a full time starter or a situational player doesn't matter his rookie year. What matters is his impact should be felt either way, and he's a big part of our long term plans. Drafting Azeez, on the other hand, fills an immediate hole. We had nobody else. Azeez steps in Day 1 as the Alpha, so the expectation is for him to start. Plain and simple. In my opinion, the fact we're actually having discussions around who should start shows how far the Giants have come as a team. These are problems teams with talent and depth typically have. It's a nice change of pace. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 20, 2021 15:24:05 GMT -5
I will say it again .If Toney is not at least the #3 reciever on the team game 1. The entire FO and JJ totally pooched the first round. It is a simple calculus. A 6 and 10 team lacks the talent to compete. Not adding a week one player with a first round pick does not fall in line with a coaching staff or FO that is fully committed to winning. We had a limited draft. 5 picks . If our first 2 picks are not in the 75 80 percentile in offensive and defensive snap counts We did not inject talent in this draft. This is where logic falls apart with you Slayton guys . I think I can speak for everyone on this site when I say this. It is expected our 2nd round Azeez Ojulari to be one of our OLBs when we take the field against Denver. It makes sense because our pass rush from the edge has been below average. So it is logical to see we needed an upgrade. So where is the same attitude that we need upgrade with 2 of our top 3 receivers. In 2019 Jones and Eli and Jones had a 61.9 completion percentage. 18 diffrent players were targeted with passes. Slayton was 15th on that list in catch percentage 57.1 He only had 2 drops out of 84 targets. In 2020 Jones had a 62.5 and Colt had a 60.6 completion percentage . 15 different players were targeted with passes. Slayton was 14th on that list. 52.1 catch percentage. He only had 6 drops out of 95 targets. So why would you not want a to upgrade that reciever? You seem to be taking a lot of hard stances here and I'm not sure why. For one, "us Slayton guys" are simply pointing out reasons why we think he can succeed. This whole, "we'll see who is right" is an odd stance for a Giants fan to have when talking about Giants players. If Slayton does work, we'll all be happy. If Slayton doesn't work, but Toney/Pettis/Ross does, we'll all be happy. Win-win. You're not wrong, the expectation for 1st and 2nd rounders should typically be for them to start Day 1. The problem with that golden rule is all teams and situations in football aren't equal. The Giants are a perfect example. Going into the draft, WR was no longer a glaring need due to the additions we made in FA. LB was. Drafting Toney has the potential to make what looked to be a good WR group very good....maybe even great. He's the icing on the cake. It's not apples to apples, but the concept is similar to when we drafted JPP and already had a great DE group. We made a strength stronger. Whether Toney ends up as a full time starter or a situational player doesn't matter his rookie year. What matters is his impact should be felt either way, and he's a big part of our long term plans. Drafting Azeez, on the other hand, fills an immediate hole. We had nobody else. Azeez steps in Day 1 as the Alpha, so the expectation is for him to start. Plain and simple. In my opinion, the fact we're actually having discussions around who should start shows how far the Giants have come as a team. These are problems teams with talent and depth typically have. It's a nice change of pace. The JPP pick was not to a 6 win team . The giants could afford to sit him for a year. I am sick of have Backups as our week one starters. It has and always will be a recipe for failure. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 20, 2021 15:44:54 GMT -5
I just told you why Id rather Slayton, he can stretch the field, he's much more explosive. What does this chart have to do with Shepard running deeper routes once in while? Either coaches dont think he can or they think Slayton is a better deep threat option.TH
100% agree And again I have to repeat modern offenses require as many players on the field as possible to frighten defenses into having to defend the entire field,which then opens up everything else Take charts and stats and burn them The last 2 super bowl champions did this ..and had this The truth is they don't. 75% of the pass plays in the NFL are within 15 yards of the LOS. Each team is almost identical with in 10 precentage points. Burning stats is like burning books to ignore they exist. It does not change them and usually fails to push the desired outcome. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 20, 2021 16:10:55 GMT -5
100% agree And again I have to repeat modern offenses require as many players on the field as possible to frighten defenses into having to defend the entire field,which then opens up everything else Take charts and stats and burn them The last 2 super bowl champions did this ..and had this The truth is they don't. 75% of the pass plays in the NFL are within 15 yards of the LOS. Each team is almost identical with in 10 precentage points. Burning stats is like burning books to ignore they exist. It does not change them and usually fails to push the desired outcome. But the absolute indisputable fact is that if you don't have multiple weapons on the field at all times that make defenses have to defend the entire field you can't have a good short game The past 2 Super Bowl winners proved this 100% fact Shepard doesn't scare defenses . |
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