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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 17, 2021 11:56:55 GMT -5
I respect his honesty. Of course Giants fans are going to come to Tom's defense blindly about this. You know how it is. Tom was awesome when they made the AFC championship and then unlikeable when they transformed back into the Jaguars franchise after that. Similar to how he was a great coach when we won those Super Bowls and Teflon Tom when we stunk up the joint going forward after SB 46.
I'll just say this. I wish I never started this thread. The more I look into this the more it smells like click bait.
Having now listened to clips of the podcast, I couldn't locate Jalen saying any of the quotes from this tweet. .
What he did say was very similar to what was said by the Giants players when Tom first got here.
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Post by Roswell on Jul 17, 2021 11:58:12 GMT -5
Jalen Ramsey might be the most dislikable guy in the NFL. And apparently Coughlin lost some of his street cred too. Oil and water. Wasn’t he the guy who showed up for training camp in a Brink’s truck when he was looking for anew deal? Doesn’t seem like a TC type of guy Not my type of player either. Talented but hard to win with guys like that. For whatever the reason…. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 17, 2021 12:48:57 GMT -5
Both great coaches. Both pretty much douche bags. I would rather have a douche bag that can win . Than a nice guy that finishes last. I never suggested otherwise. |
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Post by Bigjeep on Jul 17, 2021 13:29:14 GMT -5
Coughlin came from Parcells regime…in my book it’s royalty. Both great coaches. Both pretty much douche bags. That will tell you something about winning coaches! |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 17, 2021 13:32:47 GMT -5
Both great coaches. Both pretty much douche bags. That will tell you something about winning coaches! I agree. they are usually very flawed human beings.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 17, 2021 13:45:58 GMT -5
That will tell you something about winning coaches! I agree. they are usually very flawed human beings.
Aren’t we all? |
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Post by SG88 on Jul 17, 2021 13:51:13 GMT -5
Both great coaches. Both pretty much douche bags. I would rather have a douche bag that can win . Than a nice guy that finishes last. Winning is all that matters. I couldn't care less about the coaching method. |
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Post by Jomo on Jul 17, 2021 14:54:26 GMT -5
Coughlin came from Parcells regime…in my book it’s royalty. Both great coaches. Both pretty much douche bags. I respectfully disagree with that. They are in two completely different buckets for me. Parcells was a self dealing asshole (and great coach) (probably better than TC) TC did have a propensity to push the edges on the CBA, I don't know why because it wasn't necessary. That said, TC is a tremendous human being, and his personal life in the community is impeccable. Just one example, how long has he sustained the Jay Foundation for a player he coached way back at BC? |
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 17, 2021 15:13:53 GMT -5
I think Tom might be better remembered if the team had fired Jerry Reese 2 or 3 years earlier, Reese screwed Tom with too many bad drafts and then blamed it all on some one else...
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Post by jb456 on Jul 17, 2021 19:14:41 GMT -5
"I’m lucky to have been able to call Tom Coughlin coach and more importantly, a friend for life."
-Michael Strahan You missed the part where he said he hated Coughlin when he got there. He softened his approach and the rest is history. Are you implying that he reverted back to his pre winning behaviour after he left the Giants? |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 17, 2021 20:31:44 GMT -5
I agree. they are usually very flawed human beings.
Aren’t we all? Yes. Yes we are. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 17, 2021 20:32:32 GMT -5
You missed the part where he said he hated Coughlin when he got there. He softened his approach and the rest is history. Are you implying that he reverted back to his pre winning behaviour after he left the Giants? That is a complete myth. He dissolved the leadership council shortly after 2007. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 17, 2021 20:47:09 GMT -5
You missed the part where he said he hated Coughlin when he got there. He softened his approach and the rest is history. Are you implying that he reverted back to his pre winning behaviour after he left the Giants? The leaders of those Championship teams loved Coughlin. Strahan, Tuck, Jacobs, Eli. Loved Tom. It's on record... From "He was like a father" to Jacob's "I'd die for Tom". To Tucks twitter tribute when Tom was fired. The pre-2007 days of Coughlin the tyrant are irrelevant. Maybe a reverted a bit with the Jags. That sure isn't our problem. |
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Post by Speedman on Jul 17, 2021 23:00:00 GMT -5
Coughlin came from Parcells regime…in my book it’s royalty. Both great coaches. Both pretty much douche bags. Let’s hope Judge is a douche bag. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 18, 2021 8:12:57 GMT -5
He softened his approach and the rest is history. Are you implying that he reverted back to his pre winning behaviour after he left the Giants? The leaders of those Championship teams loved Coughlin. Strahan, Tuck, Jacobs, Eli. Loved Tom. It's on record... From "He was like a father" to Jacob's "I'd die for Tom". To Tucks twitter tribute when Tom was fired. The pre-2007 days of Coughlin the tyrant are irrelevant. Maybe a reverted a bit with the Jags. That sure isn't our problem. How about all those players on the losing teams that came after? |
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 18, 2021 8:38:50 GMT -5
At least you finally admit Tom was a great coach.
Tom was a great coach for us all the way up to 2012. The rails totally came off in 2013. the question is, did the rails come off because Tom was no longer a good coach or the GM let him down by not getting enough quality talent, I think it was the latter... |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 18, 2021 10:39:33 GMT -5
The leaders of those Championship teams loved Coughlin. Strahan, Tuck, Jacobs, Eli. Loved Tom. It's on record... From "He was like a father" to Jacob's "I'd die for Tom". To Tucks twitter tribute when Tom was fired. The pre-2007 days of Coughlin the tyrant are irrelevant. Maybe a reverted a bit with the Jags. That sure isn't our problem. How about all those players on the losing teams that came after? Most are of the league, along with the GM who drafted them. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 18, 2021 10:52:52 GMT -5
He softened his approach and the rest is history. Are you implying that he reverted back to his pre winning behaviour after he left the Giants? That is a complete myth. He dissolved the leadership council shortly after 2007. Not a myth and the players didn't want to be on the council anyway. He replaced it with captains. Point being, we didn't really hear as much griping when he softened his approach and started winning. Also, before Coughlin went to Jacksonville, the team was a last place team. Why would you use a disgruntled locker room cancers opinion as validation of your opinion? Your approach to this topic just undermined your opinion. Ill take a hard nosed ball buster over pampered, nothing is ever my fault bunch of crybabies any day... giantswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/17/ex-new-york-giants-praise-tom-coughlin-following-jalen-ramsey-criticism/ |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2021 11:06:53 GMT -5
Tom was a great coach for us all the way up to 2012. The rails totally came off in 2013. the question is, did the rails come off because Tom was no longer a good coach or the GM let him down by not getting enough quality talent, I think it was the latter...
I'd say it was both. A coach of Tom's stature should have had a tremendous influence on personnel. And when we look at the Giants Oline, pretty much all of them were kept past their sell-buy date, with one being his son-in-law. Tom's was not at the top of his game towards the end.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 11:09:11 GMT -5
Rumor has it Tom doesn't give a shit what Jalen thinks.
And neither should anybody else. Tom got us 2 rings and owns 3. Jalen? |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 18, 2021 13:04:06 GMT -5
Jalen: "We ain't like Tom"
Tom: "Kiss my ass"
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Post by jb456 on Jul 18, 2021 14:10:23 GMT -5
Rumor has it Tom doesn't give a shit what Jalen thinks.
And neither should anybody else. Tom got us 2 rings and owns 3. Jalen? You win this thread. Perfect replies should warrant a thread lock. Lock this bitch... |
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Post by Jomo on Jul 18, 2021 22:00:36 GMT -5
Have we resolved yet that TC is not a douche bag?
He is a terrific human being, flawed at times like most of us, prone to push the envelope on the CBA but a great person.
Did anyone see his comments on Jared Lorenzen? The kid had real struggles and TC was right there having his back.
Parcells reveled in humiliating marginal players to make his point.
I never recall anything like that from TC.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 18, 2021 22:17:39 GMT -5
Have we resolved yet that TC is not a douche bag? He is a terrific human being, flawed at times like most of us, prone to push the envelope on the CBA but a great person. Did anyone see his comments on Jared Lorenzen? The kid had real struggles and TC was right there having his back. Parcells reveled in humiliating marginal players to make his point. I never recall anything like that from TC. Perhaps "douche bag" was a tad strong.
Let's just say he's petty and small at times.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2021 22:20:50 GMT -5
Have we resolved yet that TC is not a douche bag? He is a terrific human being, flawed at times like most of us, prone to push the envelope on the CBA but a great person. Did anyone see his comments on Jared Lorenzen? The kid had real struggles and TC was right there having his back. Parcells reveled in humiliating marginal players to make his point. I never recall anything like that from TC.
Matt Dodge may disagree.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 19, 2021 9:42:39 GMT -5
But you get mad when Tiki tells the truth about Tom
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 19, 2021 11:11:17 GMT -5
But you get mad when Tiki tells the truth about Tom
You know how that works. We can talk about Tom but no one else can.
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Post by SG88 on Jul 19, 2021 11:29:39 GMT -5
Tom was a great coach for us all the way up to 2012. The rails totally came off in 2013. the question is, did the rails come off because Tom was no longer a good coach or the GM let him down by not getting enough quality talent, I think it was the latter... I think it was a combination of both. Similar to Jerry Reese, he overstayed for a few years. His message became stale and his strategy was dated. It really isn't a knock on Tom because that kind of thing happens to most coaches who stay in the same place for too long. |
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Post by SG88 on Jul 19, 2021 11:33:50 GMT -5
Have we resolved yet that TC is not a douche bag? He is a terrific human being, flawed at times like most of us, prone to push the envelope on the CBA but a great person. Did anyone see his comments on Jared Lorenzen? The kid had real struggles and TC was right there having his back. Parcells reveled in humiliating marginal players to make his point. I never recall anything like that from TC.
Matt Dodge may disagree.
I never did get why Matt Dodge got so much flak for that D Jax game. He wasn't on the offense that became complacent with a 31-10 lead and he certainly wasn't on the defense that allowed 28 points in the 4th quarter. But yeah, let's blame a punter and send him death threats. Tom certainly didn't help matters by publicly humiliating Matt Dodge after that punt. |
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Post by SG88 on Jul 19, 2021 11:34:42 GMT -5
Jalen Ramsey might be the most dislikable guy in the NFL. And apparently Coughlin lost some of his street cred too. Oil and water. Wasn’t he the guy who showed up for training camp in a Brink’s truck when he was looking for anew deal? Doesn’t seem like a TC type of guy Golden Tate certainly isn't one of his beer buddies either. |
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