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Post by jb456 on Aug 12, 2021 16:11:10 GMT -5
I wouldn’t really call Jones a young QB. If he has to prove himself against Jets in preseason, what are we doing here? He’s not gaining any meaningful experience, especially if the other starters aren’t playing. Sorry I wasn't clear. I have no issue with him not playing on Saturday. I just wouldn't hold him out the entire preseason.
And I would never play him with our back-up Oline.
I agree but since Jones hasn't been exactly lighting it up in camp, was hoping he got a few reps. Playing against your own team can only get you so far.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 12, 2021 16:14:56 GMT -5
Almost no teams play their starting QB in the first preseason game. There is nothing unusual about this. I remember Eli playing the 1st series of most preseason games. Maybe I'm mistaken. I think you're right. 1 series (1st game), then about a quarter (2nd game), then a half (3rd game) and finally rest in the final preseason game. Your first comment makes the most sense. The Oline is questionable at best and the coaches probably want to see how they hold up in a actual game format.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2021 16:18:16 GMT -5
Almost no teams play their starting QB in the first preseason game. There is nothing unusual about this. I remember Eli playing the 1st series of most preseason games. Maybe I'm mistaken. At the beginning of his career, yes. I think up until that hit he took against the Jets. But Judge seems to have a very clear plan of how he wants to use the roster in preseason. Basically, not play the starters until game 3. I don't think it's a reaction to any one play by any O lineman. And I think you’re going to see more teams this year sitting their starters, especially after the success of last season with no preseason games.
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 12, 2021 16:19:48 GMT -5
Teams just don’t take preseason games seriously anymore. Some teams don’t play their starters at all, I think we’re going to see more of that this year. In stark contrast to the very first meeting of the Jets and Giants in preseason, 1970, at the Yale Bowl. A sold out crowd and the starters for both sides played the entire game. It was a hell of a game, and was for bragging rights in the New York after the surprise SB victory by the Jets. THis game also featured a brawl in the middle of the 3rd qtr. between Jets and Giants fans that had a several dozen guys pounding on each other. Several hundred fans had to leave their seats (bench style) as the brawlers cascaded down the seats. There were way too few security personnel to get it under control. It was so large and intense that the players playing on the field were watching between plays.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2021 16:23:48 GMT -5
Sorry I wasn't clear. I have no issue with him not playing on Saturday. I just wouldn't hold him out the entire preseason.
And I would never play him with our back-up Oline.
I agree but since Jones hasn't been exactly lighting it up in camp, was hoping he got a few reps. Playing against your own team can only get you so far. Playing against backups in diluted schemes gets you even less. People seem to think he needs the reps... Why? He's a 3d year QB. Jones success this season is not going to depend on a few drives in preseason.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 12, 2021 16:40:58 GMT -5
Sorry I wasn't clear. I have no issue with him not playing on Saturday. I just wouldn't hold him out the entire preseason.
And I would never play him with our back-up Oline.
I agree but since Jones hasn't been exactly lighting it up in camp, was hoping he got a few reps. Playing against your own team can only get you so far. He threw a pass at fanfest yesterday that was inexpicable ... right into the hands of a defender with no WR in sight.
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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2021 16:44:02 GMT -5
I agree but since Jones hasn't been exactly lighting it up in camp, was hoping he got a few reps. Playing against your own team can only get you so far. He threw a pass at fanfest yesterday that was inexpicable ... right into the hands of a defender with no WR in sight. That sounds like a bad route by the WR.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2021 16:46:34 GMT -5
He threw a pass at fanfest yesterday that was inexpicable ... right into the hands of a defender with no WR in sight. That sounds like a bad route by the WR. There's a video of it in this thread. There wasn't a receiver within 10 yards of the throw.
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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2021 16:51:18 GMT -5
That sounds like a bad route by the WR. There's a video of it in this thread. There wasn't a receiver within 10 yards of the throw. Routes are timing . The QB is throwing to a spot (catch window). If the reciever runs the wrong route. He won't be in the window. The video in blatent and to me telling . Jones threw the ball to a spot . Toney #89 instead running a crossing route. What IMO DJ was anticipating. Toney ran a hitch. QB and WR not on the same page
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Post by bluebuddha on Aug 12, 2021 16:58:03 GMT -5
There's a video of it in this thread. There wasn't a receiver within 10 yards of the throw. Routes are timing . The QB is throwing to a spot (catch window). If the reciever runs the wrong route. He won't be in the window. It was a wierd. DJ took a 3 step drop but never threw it. Then he slid to his right an did the Peyton dance for a second or two before the throw. If it was a timing throw it was doomed from the start.
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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2021 16:59:28 GMT -5
Routes are timing . The QB is throwing to a spot (catch window). If the reciever runs the wrong route. He won't be in the window. It was a wierd. DJ took a 3 step drop but never threw it. Then he slid to his right an did the Peyton dance for a second or two before the throw. If it was a timing throw it was doomed from the start. Go lol at it again Toney ran a hitch not the crossing route the ball was thrown to.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 12, 2021 17:00:15 GMT -5
He threw a pass at fanfest yesterday that was inexpicable ... right into the hands of a defender with no WR in sight. That sounds like a bad route by the WR. Middle of the field as well That was a blown option route by whomever the slot guy was
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2021 17:01:35 GMT -5
There's a video of it in this thread. There wasn't a receiver within 10 yards of the throw. Routes are timing . The QB is throwing to a spot (catch window). If the reciever runs the wrong route. He won't be in the window. The video in blatent and to me telling . Jones threw the ball to a spot . Toney #89 instead running a crossing route. What IMO DJ was anticipating. Toney ran a hitch. QB and WR not on the same page In this case, a DB... Watch where Toney stops and Jones throws. Toney would've had to bend time and space to get to the ball.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 12, 2021 17:01:39 GMT -5
It was a wierd. DJ took a 3 step drop but never threw it. Then he slid to his right an did the Peyton dance for a second or two before the throw. If it was a timing throw it was doomed from the start. Go lol at it again Toney ran a hitch not the crossing route the ball was thrown to. And Toney not really yet up to speed this is even more likely what happened
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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2021 17:06:20 GMT -5
Routes are timing . The QB is throwing to a spot (catch window). If the reciever runs the wrong route. He won't be in the window. The video in blatent and to me telling . Jones threw the ball to a spot . Toney #89 instead running a crossing route. What IMO DJ was anticipating. Toney ran a hitch. QB and WR not on the same page In this case, a DB... Watch where Toney stops and Jones throws. Toney would've had to bend time and space to get to the ball. I don't think so . He would ran right to the ball.
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Post by bluebuddha on Aug 12, 2021 17:10:33 GMT -5
It was a wierd. DJ took a 3 step drop but never threw it. Then he slid to his right an did the Peyton dance for a second or two before the throw. If it was a timing throw it was doomed from the start. Go lol at it again Toney ran a hitch not the crossing route the ball was thrown to. I saw Toney ease up but I don't think I ever seen a timed throw with a qb moving around so much. Maybe it was how Garret drew it up.
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Post by nick030567 on Aug 12, 2021 17:11:49 GMT -5
I agree but since Jones hasn't been exactly lighting it up in camp, was hoping he got a few reps. Playing against your own team can only get you so far. Playing against backups in diluted schemes gets you even less. People seem to think he needs the reps... Why? He's a 3d year QB. Jones success this season is not going to depend on a few drives in preseason. It's been clear as day how the porous o-line has effected his play mentally. I think they want to protect both his body AND mind (meaning his psyche). They probably don't want him already mistrusting his o-line again. Confidence and trust is so key to a QB's internal clock. If anything sitting this game is goin to help him more in the long run (if the OL is a turnstile unit in the 1st game)
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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2021 17:12:46 GMT -5
Go lol at it again Toney ran a hitch not the crossing route the ball was thrown to. I saw Toney ease up but I don't think I ever seen a timed throw with a qb moving around so much. Maybe it was how Garret drew it up. I could be wrong . To me it appears Toney ran an improper route. Rookie mistake not a big deal in camp.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 12, 2021 17:13:40 GMT -5
How does Jones sitting impact the unofficial roster released by the official Giants?
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Post by robl on Aug 12, 2021 17:44:53 GMT -5
I saw Toney ease up but I don't think I ever seen a timed throw with a qb moving around so much. Maybe it was how Garret drew it up. I could be wrong . To me it appears Toney ran an improper route. Rookie mistake not a big deal in camp. Are we going to spend a whole thread discussing a single play in practice? We have to cut down soon and have to look at a lot of players on the bubble. And it’s a 17 game season.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 12, 2021 17:49:23 GMT -5
How does Jones sitting impact the unofficial roster released by the official Giants? It doesn't
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Post by jb456 on Aug 12, 2021 18:23:30 GMT -5
I agree but since Jones hasn't been exactly lighting it up in camp, was hoping he got a few reps. Playing against your own team can only get you so far. Playing against backups in diluted schemes gets you even less. People seem to think he needs the reps... Why? He's a 3d year QB. Jones success this season is not going to depend on a few drives in preseason. This is last chance. He performs like 2020, the Giants will be moving forward without him and DG will get canned. Jones has a lot to prove this year. He needs all the possible practice and preseason reps he can get.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 18:48:05 GMT -5
Well, that sucks. He needs as much practice as possible. I agree. He isn’t setting the world on fire, he needs to be playing. No reason to treat him like a softy or we are going to get shit on this year again. Better sign a veteran back up if we want to even try this year.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2021 19:00:01 GMT -5
Playing against backups in diluted schemes gets you even less. People seem to think he needs the reps... Why? He's a 3d year QB. Jones success this season is not going to depend on a few drives in preseason. This is last chance . He performs like 2020, the Giants will be moving forward without him and DG will get canned. Jones has a lot to prove this year. He needs all the possible practice and preseason reps he can get. If he succeeds or fails, it won't be because of reps in preseason exhibitions.
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 12, 2021 19:02:39 GMT -5
Remember when Hernandez missed that block and almost took out Martinez's knee in the process? My guess is Judge doesn't want Jones behind that line until they gets some reps under their belts as a unit. What was Hernandez' assignment on that play?
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 12, 2021 19:04:24 GMT -5
I agree but since Jones hasn't been exactly lighting it up in camp, was hoping he got a few reps. Playing against your own team can only get you so far. He threw a pass at fanfest yesterday that was inexpicable ... right into the hands of a defender with no WR in sight. In his defense they are wearing the same uniform...could of been confused
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 19:08:49 GMT -5
I agree but since Jones hasn't been exactly lighting it up in camp, was hoping he got a few reps. Playing against your own team can only get you so far. He threw a pass at fanfest yesterday that was inexpicable ... right into the hands of a defender with no WR in sight. Jones did that because the WR ran the wrong route & the defensive player played his coverage perfectly.. so Jones threw it to the defender for the sake of reps because the defender actually did his homework and guessed correctly on the route combo Jones' way of saying "good d"
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Post by GameTime on Aug 12, 2021 19:12:33 GMT -5
He threw a pass at fanfest yesterday that was inexpicable ... right into the hands of a defender with no WR in sight. Jones did that because the WR ran the wrong route & the defensive player played his coverage perfectly.. so Jones threw it to the defender for the sake of reps because the defender actually did his homework and guessed correctly on the route combo Jones' way of saying "good d" should your post be in red?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 19:13:31 GMT -5
Remember when Hernandez missed that block and almost took out Martinez's knee in the process? My guess is Judge doesn't want Jones behind that line until they gets some reps under their belts as a unit. What was Hernandez' assignment on that play? Lol.. man I have no damn clue. He shouldn't be struggling this bad in year 3.... during practice!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 19:14:47 GMT -5
Jones did that because the WR ran the wrong route & the defensive player played his coverage perfectly.. so Jones threw it to the defender for the sake of reps because the defender actually did his homework and guessed correctly on the route combo Jones' way of saying "good d" should your post be in red? Go back and look at it again. Jones looks left like "where the **** is this dude". To maximize each rep for every player on the field Jones threw it up so the D can put in work instead of throwing it away. (if I say, "it happens alot in practice" I'll get crucified, again lol)
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