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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 13, 2021 10:16:07 GMT -5
Thank you for saying what many of us have been wanting to say or have been saying but get peer bullied on here by this crowd It's almost like they are patting themselves on the back over this,which honestly is reprehensible. Meanwhile if they are indeed right I hope they are the first ones to do the same thing if we.now end up in qb hell,another GM and 2 more HC changes and say this is what they wanted...because they will be getting exactly what they wanted That’s not what this is about. It’s just as bad in the other direction. Being hopeful - particularly given the complete lack of facts in evidence supporting it - isn’t “better”. I’m simply a different personal choice. Neither is right or wrong because both have the same impact: zero. I don’t see any bullying, I just see a lot of pissed off passionate fans, justifiably so. The point of that message is that attacking one another is pointless. Each of us gets to choose how we react to it, that choice is personal because there is no right or wrong when your influence over a situation is zero. One isn’t “better” than the other. Everyone is angry because this team has been losing for years with no end in sight. Like all things, we’ll know it’s over when it’s over. I hear you on all of the above, but come on its a message board. People come here to state their opinion, defend it, argue, fight, etc. It's a bunch of people (who love the Giants) flexing and hidden behind screen names and keyboards. You need the pessimists and the optimists to keep the board going or else all you have is group think and echo chambers. No one is truly "attacked" when no one knows who the other person really is. It's a way to feel connected to the team and fans when there are no games. The disagreement is the fun of it all.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 10:19:42 GMT -5
Thank you for saying what many of us have been wanting to say or have been saying but get peer bullied on here by this crowd It's almost like they are patting themselves on the back over this,which honestly is reprehensible. Meanwhile if they are indeed right I hope they are the first ones to do the same thing if we.now end up in qb hell,another GM and 2 more HC changes and say this is what they wanted...because they will be getting exactly what they wanted That’s not what this is about. It’s just as bad in the other direction. Being hopeful - particularly given the complete lack of facts in evidence supporting it - isn’t “better”. I’m simply a different personal choice. Neither is right or wrong because both have the same impact: zero. I don’t see any bullying, I just see a lot of pissed off passionate fans, justifiably so. The point of that message is that attacking one another is pointless. Each of us gets to choose how we react to it, that choice is personal because there is no right or wrong when your influence over a situation is zero. One isn’t “better” than the other. Everyone is angry because this team has been losing for years with no end in sight. Like all things, we’ll know it’s over when it’s over. My point is I am more of the logic,reason,patience to a point. I don't knee jerk unless something extreme causes me (ie Mac in 2017 in the back to back blowouts and losing the locker room) I saw all the instant gratification crowd say **** continuity when I warmed that changing systems after your rookie year is often a death sentence for a young qb between years 1 and 2 ..and at the very least they needed an OC that ran a similar system for Jones to have a chance (Chargers got an OC that runs tbe same exact system they had last year and look ..no drop off..) Unfortunately it looks like I'm trending being right and now these same instant gratification people now want a new qb...after getting what they wanted. Getting called a Jones suck dick(this happened last year)and such And you wonder why im salty twards these people?
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Sept 13, 2021 10:21:26 GMT -5
One can acknowledge that the team needed to prove a lot of narratives wrong while also still wanting to be hopeful of a good season.
The Eagles won yesterday, they had a similarly questionable offseason. A lot of teams got blown away yesterday.
Yesterday, all of the worries folks had about the team all came true.
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Post by Nite on Sept 13, 2021 10:22:57 GMT -5
Daniel Jones is a decent QB who has some flaws which need to be corrected. We lost yesterday due to horrendous play calling by the OC and the defense not containing Bridgewater. Jones fumbling at that spot was a killer. The loss was a team effort.
I have some serious doubts about the coaching staff but I will hold off making a firm judgement for another few weeks. It doesn't look good from my viewpoint
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 13, 2021 10:25:04 GMT -5
That’s not what this is about. It’s just as bad in the other direction. Being hopeful - particularly given the complete lack of facts in evidence supporting it - isn’t “better”. I’m simply a different personal choice. Neither is right or wrong because both have the same impact: zero. I don’t see any bullying, I just see a lot of pissed off passionate fans, justifiably so. The point of that message is that attacking one another is pointless. Each of us gets to choose how we react to it, that choice is personal because there is no right or wrong when your influence over a situation is zero. One isn’t “better” than the other. Everyone is angry because this team has been losing for years with no end in sight. Like all things, we’ll know it’s over when it’s over. My point is I am more of the logic,reason,patience to a point. I don't knee jerk unless something extreme causes me (ie Mac in 2017 in the back to back blowouts and losing the locker room) I saw all the instant gratification crowd say **** continuity when I warmed that changing systems after your rookie year is often a death sentence for a young qb between years 1 and 2 ..and at the very least they needed an OC that ran a similar system for Jones to have a chance (Chargers got an OC that runs tbe same exact system they had last year and look ..no drop off..) Unfortunately it looks like I'm trending being right and now these same instant gratification people now want a new qb...after getting what they wanted. Getting called a Jones suck dick(this happened last year)and such And you wonder why im salty twards these people? To quote Sarcasm: "Feel free to spare us the ‘I’m part of the smart ones’ schtick,’... I can assure no one here is keeping track, because no one cares."
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 13, 2021 10:27:29 GMT -5
That’s not what this is about. It’s just as bad in the other direction. Being hopeful - particularly given the complete lack of facts in evidence supporting it - isn’t “better”. I’m simply a different personal choice. Neither is right or wrong because both have the same impact: zero. I don’t see any bullying, I just see a lot of pissed off passionate fans, justifiably so. The point of that message is that attacking one another is pointless. Each of us gets to choose how we react to it, that choice is personal because there is no right or wrong when your influence over a situation is zero. One isn’t “better” than the other. Everyone is angry because this team has been losing for years with no end in sight. Like all things, we’ll know it’s over when it’s over. I hear you on all of the above, but come on its a message board. People come here to state their opinion, defend it, argue, fight, etc. It's a bunch of people (who love the Giants) flexing and hidden behind screen names and keyboards. You need the pessimists and the optimists to keep the board going or else all you have is group think and echo chambers. No one is truly "attacked" when no one knows who the other person really is. It's a way to feel connected to the team and fans when there are no games. The disagreement is the fun of it all. I agree with all that, VB. All the best threads come out of lively and animated disagreements. We all have a shared focus for our ire, we don’t need to make it each other. I remember seeing a post recently that basically said ‘anyone that disagrees with this is a moron’. There is just no place for that kind of thing, it’s chickenshit. The differences of opinion are vital, cannabilizing one another over out shared impotent rage is just stupid.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 13, 2021 10:33:17 GMT -5
That’s not what this is about. It’s just as bad in the other direction. Being hopeful - particularly given the complete lack of facts in evidence supporting it - isn’t “better”. I’m simply a different personal choice. Neither is right or wrong because both have the same impact: zero. I don’t see any bullying, I just see a lot of pissed off passionate fans, justifiably so. The point of that message is that attacking one another is pointless. Each of us gets to choose how we react to it, that choice is personal because there is no right or wrong when your influence over a situation is zero. One isn’t “better” than the other. Everyone is angry because this team has been losing for years with no end in sight. Like all things, we’ll know it’s over when it’s over. My point is I am more of the logic,reason,patience to a point. I don't knee jerk unless something extreme causes me (ie Mac in 2017 in the back to back blowouts and losing the locker room) I saw all the instant gratification crowd say **** continuity when I warmed that changing systems after your rookie year is often a death sentence for a young qb between years 1 and 2 ..and at the very least they needed an OC that ran a similar system for Jones to have a chance (Chargers got an OC that runs tbe same exact system they had last year and look ..no drop off..) Unfortunately it looks like I'm trending being right and now these same instant gratification people now want a new qb...after getting what they wanted. Getting called a Jones suck dick(this happened last year)and such And you wonder why im salty twards these people? Calling out those that don’t agree with you as the instant gratification crowd is what I’m talking about. You may end up right and you may end up wrong. I can assure you of only two things regarding that: 1. absolutely no one cares either way and 2. calling out others passive aggressively gets exactly the kind of response it deserves.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 13, 2021 10:36:56 GMT -5
That’s not what this is about. It’s just as bad in the other direction. Being hopeful - particularly given the complete lack of facts in evidence supporting it - isn’t “better”. I’m simply a different personal choice. Neither is right or wrong because both have the same impact: zero. I don’t see any bullying, I just see a lot of pissed off passionate fans, justifiably so. The point of that message is that attacking one another is pointless. Each of us gets to choose how we react to it, that choice is personal because there is no right or wrong when your influence over a situation is zero. One isn’t “better” than the other. Everyone is angry because this team has been losing for years with no end in sight. Like all things, we’ll know it’s over when it’s over. My point is I am more of the logic,reason,patience to a point. I don't knee jerk unless something extreme causes me (ie Mac in 2017 in the back to back blowouts and losing the locker room) I saw all the instant gratification crowd say **** continuity when I warmed that changing systems after your rookie year is often a death sentence for a young qb between years 1 and 2 ..and at the very least they needed an OC that ran a similar system for Jones to have a chance (Chargers got an OC that runs tbe same exact system they had last year and look ..no drop off..) Unfortunately it looks like I'm trending being right and now these same instant gratification people now want a new qb...after getting what they wanted. Getting called a Jones suck dick(this happened last year)and such And you wonder why im salty twards these people? I remember the Giants getting off to awful starts. Getting killed on opening day. Then winning a Superbowl both times. Last year it took a while for the defense to get to the point where fans here were crowning Graham the next coming of Belichick this past week.. One thing I've learned, it's a fool's errand to overreact in week 1.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 13, 2021 10:43:07 GMT -5
Daniel Jones is a decent QB who has some flaws which need to be corrected. We lost yesterday due to horrendous play calling by the OC and the defense not containing Bridgewater. Jones fumbling at that spot was a killer. The loss was a team effort. I have some serious doubts about the coaching staff but I will hold off making a firm judgement for another few weeks. It doesn't look good from my viewpoint Never once yesterday during the game did I think to blame the play calling. They just didn't play well. Not sure the play calling had anything to do with it. First of all, they didn't have the ball much.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 13, 2021 11:01:08 GMT -5
Daniel Jones is a decent QB who has some flaws which need to be corrected. We lost yesterday due to horrendous play calling by the OC and the defense not containing Bridgewater. Jones fumbling at that spot was a killer. The loss was a team effort. I have some serious doubts about the coaching staff but I will hold off making a firm judgement for another few weeks. It doesn't look good from my viewpoint Never once yesterday during the game did I think to blame the play calling. They just didn't play well. Not sure the play calling had anything to do with it. First of all, they didn't have the ball much.
I agree that the way they executed was lacking but they used Barkley in the exact opposite manner than they should have. He needs to be in open spaces, not running thru the line like Earl Campbell.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 13, 2021 11:03:51 GMT -5
We were surprisingly good on 3rd down. We made 6 out of 12 3rd down conversions.
The 2 places that really hurts us were,
Being beat 165-60 in rushing yards.
Letting Denver go 3 for 3 on 4th down conversions.
There were several plays that we could have had a sack or stopped a 1st down but we had bad tackling.
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Post by ratbastich on Sept 13, 2021 11:05:23 GMT -5
Here is a question...if Daniel Jones continues down this path and is not the answer then does Mara (or us, even though we are not on the payroll) trust Gettleman to use one of the two first round picks next year to pick the next QB? It would be stupid to allow him to do so.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 11:06:20 GMT -5
We were surprisingly good on 3rd down. We made 6 out of 12 3rd down conversions. The 2 places that really hurts us were, Being beat 165-60 in rushing yards. Letting Denver go 3 for 3 on 4th down conversions. There were several plays that we could have had a sack or stopped a 1st down but we had bad tackling. The rushing yards were badly inflated by the long TD run
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 11:06:44 GMT -5
Here is a question...if Daniel Jones continues down this path and is not the answer then does Mara (or us, even though we are not on the payroll) trust Gettleman to use one of the two first round picks next year to pick the next QB? It would be stupid to allow him to do so. Gettleman retires
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 13, 2021 11:10:05 GMT -5
Never once yesterday during the game did I think to blame the play calling. They just didn't play well. Not sure the play calling had anything to do with it. First of all, they didn't have the ball much.
I agree that the way they executed was lacking but they used Barkley in the exact opposite manner than they should have. He needs to be in open spaces, not running thru the line like Earl Campbell. Watching McCaffrey in the Jets / Carolina game before ours, it seems so simple yet effective. Doesn't Barkley supposedly have the same skillset, and better complimentary players around him?
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 13, 2021 11:12:33 GMT -5
We were surprisingly good on 3rd down. We made 6 out of 12 3rd down conversions. The 2 places that really hurts us were, Being beat 165-60 in rushing yards. Letting Denver go 3 for 3 on 4th down conversions. There were several plays that we could have had a sack or stopped a 1st down but we had bad tackling. The rushing yards were badly inflated by the long TD run True but they still beat us in yards and yards per carry even without that one carry.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 13, 2021 11:13:10 GMT -5
I agree that the way they executed was lacking but they used Barkley in the exact opposite manner than they should have. He needs to be in open spaces, not running thru the line like Earl Campbell. Watching McCaffrey in the Jets / Carolina game before ours, it seems so simple yet effective. Doesn't Barkley supposedly have the same skillset, and better complimentary players around him? I thought SQB's first 2 runs averaged like 4.5 yards a carry and then it feels like we didn't run again.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 13, 2021 11:15:53 GMT -5
Here is a question...if Daniel Jones continues down this path and is not the answer then does Mara (or us, even though we are not on the payroll) trust Gettleman to use one of the two first round picks next year to pick the next QB? It would be stupid to allow him to do so. If Jones continues down this path the only thing you can trust Gettlemen to do is buy a condo in Boca. He'll be out of here the day after the season ends.
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Post by Nite on Sept 13, 2021 11:25:57 GMT -5
Daniel Jones is a decent QB who has some flaws which need to be corrected. We lost yesterday due to horrendous play calling by the OC and the defense not containing Bridgewater. Jones fumbling at that spot was a killer. The loss was a team effort. I have some serious doubts about the coaching staff but I will hold off making a firm judgement for another few weeks. It doesn't look good from my viewpoint Never once yesterday during the game did I think to blame the play calling. They just didn't play well. Not sure the play calling had anything to do with it. First of all, they didn't have the ball much.
It was way too conservatives and tentative
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Post by jaymas on Sept 13, 2021 11:46:18 GMT -5
Daniel Jones is a decent QB who has some flaws which need to be corrected. We lost yesterday due to horrendous play calling by the OC and the defense not containing Bridgewater. Jones fumbling at that spot was a killer. The loss was a team effort. I have some serious doubts about the coaching staff but I will hold off making a firm judgement for another few weeks. It doesn't look good from my viewpoint Never once yesterday during the game did I think to blame the play calling. They just didn't play well. Not sure the play calling had anything to do with it. First of all, they didn't have the ball much.
The offense not having the ball much is an underrated point from yesterday. It was pretty wild. Hard to have success that way, no matter what.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 13, 2021 11:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 13, 2021 11:58:04 GMT -5
Watching McCaffrey in the Jets / Carolina game before ours, it seems so simple yet effective. Doesn't Barkley supposedly have the same skillset, and better complimentary players around him? I thought SQB's first 2 runs averaged like 4.5 yards a carry and then it feels like we didn't run again. There was one play I remember, where it looked (from my couch) that there may have been room to cut the run to the outside. It seemed like there was little backside coverage on the play. It's the kind of play I think year 1 Barkley would have made. Instead he cut in and ran right into the backs of his stood up linemen. No gain.
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 13, 2021 12:03:48 GMT -5
Daniel Jones is a decent QB who has some flaws which need to be corrected. We lost yesterday due to horrendous play calling by the OC and the defense not containing Bridgewater. Jones fumbling at that spot was a killer. The loss was a team effort. I have some serious doubts about the coaching staff but I will hold off making a firm judgement for another few weeks. It doesn't look good from my viewpoint Never once yesterday during the game did I think to blame the play calling. They just didn't play well. Not sure the play calling had anything to do with it. First of all, they didn't have the ball much.
Execution was horrible, pretty much across the board.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 13, 2021 12:17:04 GMT -5
The past 4 or 5 years, this has been the worst Giants team in their history when it comes to success and failure. The worst. Embarrassingly bad. Worse than the Jags, the Jets, the Browns.... whatever bad joke of a franchise you can name. We are worse.
Fans are venting.
Last nights game was a complete nightmare if you thought we were going to turn the corner in 2021. It appears we haven't. Same old song and dance.
And the QB is part of the problem.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 13, 2021 12:28:35 GMT -5
The past 4 or 5 years, this has been the worst Giants team in their history when it comes to success and failure. The worst. Embarrassingly bad. Worse than the Jags, the Jets, the Browns.... whatever bad joke of a franchise you can name. We are worse. Fans are venting. Last nights game was a complete nightmare if you thought we were going to turn the corner in 2021. It appears we haven't. Same old song and dance. And the QB is part of the problem. Most worst case fan concerns played out. I will say Andrew Thomas, Sterling Shepherd and Logan Ryan all played well. What was up with Bradberry playing like total ass?
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 13, 2021 12:47:35 GMT -5
The past 4 or 5 years, this has been the worst Giants team in their history when it comes to success and failure. The worst. Embarrassingly bad. Worse than the Jags, the Jets, the Browns.... whatever bad joke of a franchise you can name. We are worse. Fans are venting. Last nights game was a complete nightmare if you thought we were going to turn the corner in 2021. It appears we haven't. Same old song and dance. And the QB is part of the problem. I lived through worse. Some really bad times.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 12:47:39 GMT -5
Just want to add this to this thread...I've heard many times now, certain posters root for failure to be "right".
I call total bullshit on this.
First off, this board does indeed have quite a few posters who indeed do the woulda, coulda, shoulda routine. But this runs on both ends of the spectrum, from the negative towards the positive. Just look at the game thread as Sterling Shepard caught a nice play call and scored a TD. One poster immediately points out all the idiots who wanted him cut for whatever reason...suddenly a single play making his point to call the rest out, while he himself will constantly let all of the negative posters who have something negative to add... say the exact same thing, and remind them all it's a single play.
It's a mirror.
The arguments these negative posters have are not just emotional outbursts, or trying to be right. Jesus, we've been horrible it seems forever. If we draft a QB that I watch at Duke, and IMHO...just a singular fans opinion on what I watched on tape, me...a IMHO...and I say this QB is not franchise and it's a horrible pick, I am not rooting "against" the QB when he plays poorly, but as a fan whom wants to win so badly, I get pissed off when the things I see play over and over for now a third season, the same things I seen at Duke...well, it's believing the team took the wrong QB and this is my team I root for, losing game after game and it does not make me happy to be right, that's insanity.
It pisses me off we took the turnover machine who can't go through progressions, and has no sense of what is around him.
We all want to win, and to those everything is great and we always make the right calls....how in the hell can you remain so positive when this team constantly makes to wrong calls on free agents, the OL...coaches, GM's...draft picks??....there is a reason we have been the worse team in the NFL since 2016...and it's not because we're doing anything right.
Our coach just threw a challenge flag after a freaking TD....let that sink in and tell me you still believe he knows what he is doing?
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Post by ratbastich on Sept 13, 2021 13:09:43 GMT -5
Just want to add this to this thread...I've heard many times now, certain posters root for failure to be "right". I call total bullshit on this. First off, this board does indeed have quite a few posters who indeed do the woulda, coulda, shoulda routine. But this runs on both ends of the spectrum, from the negative towards the positive. Just look at the game thread as Sterling Shepard caught a nice play call and scored a TD. One poster immediately points out all the idiots who wanted him cut for whatever reason ...suddenly a single play making his point to call the rest out, while he himself will constantly let all of the negative posters who have something negative to add... say the exact same thing, and remind them all it's a single play. It's a mirror. The arguments these negative posters have are not just emotional outbursts, or trying to be right. Jesus, we've been horrible it seems forever. If we draft a QB that I watch at Duke, and IMHO...just a singular fans opinion on what I watched on tape, me...a IMHO...and I say this QB is not franchise and it's a horrible pick, I am not rooting "against" the QB when he plays poorly, but as a fan whom wants to win so badly, I get pissed off when the things I see play over and over for now a third season, the same things I seen at Duke...well, it's believing the team took the wrong QB and this is my team I root for, losing game after game and it does not make me happy to be right, that's insanity. It pisses me off we took the turnover machine who can't go through progressions, and has no sense of what is around him. We all want to win, and to those everything is great and we always make the right calls....how in the hell can you remain so positive when this team constantly makes to wrong calls on free agents, the OL...coaches, GM's...draft picks??....there is a reason we have been the worse team in the NFL since 2016...and it's not because we're doing anything right. Our coach just threw a challenge flag after a freaking TD....let that sink in and tell me you still believe he knows what he is doing? I think we have been conditioned unfortunately. I think we all want to see the team succeed and you can usually see it during the offseason where people are (normally) pretty positive about our chances and maybe unrealistically so, but that is okay because everyone is of the same record and who knows really how a season will pan out. But, when we see much of the same stuff that led to some pretty bad play in the past and we have seen the outcome of the path we are on multiple times in the past it is disheartening. We all just want some positive change. I agree with you.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 13, 2021 13:35:42 GMT -5
The past 4 or 5 years, this has been the worst Giants team in their history when it comes to success and failure. The worst. Embarrassingly bad. Worse than the Jags, the Jets, the Browns.... whatever bad joke of a franchise you can name. We are worse. Fans are venting. Last nights game was a complete nightmare if you thought we were going to turn the corner in 2021. It appears we haven't. Same old song and dance. And the QB is part of the problem. I lived through worse. Some really bad times. Not during a period of time this long. I saw the stat earlier. From 2017-2021, this is the worst 4+ year period of losing the Giants have ever had. Ever. How some are giving this GM a pass is beyond conceivable. If DJ was going to have any success as an NFL QB, he came into the worst situation possible. I remember the 90s which was, to me, the worst in my life. This is much worse. There may be some really talented guys on the roster, but the roster is very very thin and the coaching has been awful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 14:20:36 GMT -5
I mean seriously. He’s awful. Fumbled away a chance to keep it close. Eyed his receivers at the goal line with a chance to keep it a game. Trash, just trash. More like a late round pick, you can tell he's average at best.
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