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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 14:33:22 GMT -5
The past 4 or 5 years, this has been the worst Giants team in their history when it comes to success and failure. The worst. Embarrassingly bad. Worse than the Jags, the Jets, the Browns.... whatever bad joke of a franchise you can name. We are worse. Fans are venting. Last nights game was a complete nightmare if you thought we were going to turn the corner in 2021. It appears we haven't. Same old song and dance. And the QB is part of the problem. I lived through worse. Some really bad times.  Giving up 80 points in 2 games to start the season back in 2007 was pretty bad |
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Post by SG88 on Sept 13, 2021 14:56:50 GMT -5
I have seen awful. I have lived through awful. DJ is not awful. I remember when fans (and the media) used to say Phil Simms was awful. That he was a bust. That Scott Brunner should be the starter. Jones definitely isn't awful. The problem is that he isn't good at his trade. I've seen every reason in the book posted on here and other platforms. The primary problem with the Giants is that we aren't winning a whole lot of games. How the hell does a team go more than 4 years without having a winning record at any time? Anyways, the narrative should change when we start winning more than we lose. I'm ****ing tired of the losing and the excuses given for it. |
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Post by DonnieYen on Sept 13, 2021 15:23:24 GMT -5
I mean seriously. He’s awful. Fumbled away a chance to keep it close. Eyed his receivers at the goal line with a chance to keep it a game. Trash, just trash. I don't think it's fair to blame it all on Jones the whole team stunk. Hopefully they get better on Thursday against Washington... |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 13, 2021 15:38:56 GMT -5
I mean seriously. He’s awful. Fumbled away a chance to keep it close. Eyed his receivers at the goal line with a chance to keep it a game. Trash, just trash. I don't think it's fair to blame it all on Jones the whole team stunk. Hopefully they get better on Thursday against Washington... This is what people dont get, just because a specific negative is being brought up, doesn't mean it was the only negative. Jones isnt playing well. He isnt learning from mistakes. He is PART of the issue with this team, not the entire problem and certainly not the solution to date. There are plenty wrong things with this team currently. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 13, 2021 15:55:20 GMT -5
Nobody minded when the Last QB racked up half his stats in Garbage time, now all of a sudden its no good? Well be that as it may , you all have a point however , we can win with Jones. he was throwing well yesterday and is it his fault there was no run game to speak of and the D only had the other team punt once till garbage time?
Get the pass rush sorted out and a few other things and im confident Jones could get us there. Sure he isnt the guy I wanted but he imo can do it .
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 13, 2021 17:59:10 GMT -5
I lived through worse. Some really bad times. Not during a period of time this long. I saw the stat earlier. From 2017-2021, this is the worst 4+ year period of losing the Giants have ever had. Ever. How some are giving this GM a pass is beyond conceivable. If DJ was going to have any success as an NFL QB, he came into the worst situation possible. I remember the 90s which was, to me, the worst in my life. This is much worse. There may be some really talented guys on the roster, but the roster is very very thin and the coaching has been awful. Go look at this team from around 1973-1980. Still have a hard time with the Joe P fumble. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 13, 2021 18:04:11 GMT -5
I have seen awful. I have lived through awful. DJ is not awful. I remember when fans (and the media) used to say Phil Simms was awful. That he was a bust. That Scott Brunner should be the starter. Jones definitely isn't awful. The problem is that he isn't good at his trade. I've seen every reason in the book posted on here and other platforms. The primary problem with the Giants is that we aren't winning a whole lot of games. How the hell does a team go more than 4 years without having a winning record at any time? Anyways, the narrative should change when we start winning more than we lose. I'm ****ing tired of the losing and the excuses given for it. The QB will always get too much credit in good times and too much blame in bad times. DJ had 1 glaring mistake yesterday but he was not the reason we lost the game. Could not force a punt all day. Could not open a hole for RB. Had almost no separation from WR according to PFT stats. We need different play calling to cause some misdirection to help the line and to get some guys open. You bring up 4 years. DJ has not been playing for 4 years. He has played for parts of 2 full seasons and 1 game this season so he cant be totally to blame for 4 years. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 18:15:44 GMT -5
Nobody minded when the Last QB racked up half his stats in Garbage time, now all of a sudden its no good? Well be that as it may , you all have a point however , we can win with Jones. he was throwing well yesterday and is it his fault there was no run game to speak of and the D only had the other team punt once till garbage time? Get the pass rush sorted out and a few other things and im confident Jones could get us there. Sure he isnt the guy I wanted but he imo can do it . qbs pile up garbage time stats The only people who care are players on fantasy teams What irks me about people complaining about Jones doing it yesterday are the same ones complaining about the starters not getting preseason snaps As far as I'm concerned they were getting live reps,especially the O line,against a team selling out for pass,especially the pass rush... And no team wants to be scored on ever...so those bitching about his meaningless TD run when the team had red zone issues need to ..... |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 13, 2021 20:06:21 GMT -5
Not sure what's mindless about those threads you listed. \ LOL, of course you don't, you and a few others(vinnie,southerner) create most of them. We might even come out and beat a hobbled redskins team on Thursday LOL, way to cover your ass. Still in denial and waving your pom poms I see, and you consider them mindless because you don’t agree with them whether they’re right or wrong. |
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Post by redbeardxxv on Sept 13, 2021 20:26:41 GMT -5
Figuring out DJ is easy.
Eli was a good QB that flashed greatness.
DJ is a bad QB that has flashes of a good QB.
He won't be here next year.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 13, 2021 20:31:53 GMT -5
Nobody minded when the Last QB racked up half his stats in Garbage time, now all of a sudden its no good? Well be that as it may , you all have a point however , we can win with Jones. he was throwing well yesterday and is it his fault there was no run game to speak of and the D only had the other team punt once till garbage time? Get the pass rush sorted out and a few other things and im confident Jones could get us there. Sure he isnt the guy I wanted but he imo can do it . qbs pile up garbage time stats The only people who care are players on fantasy teams What irks me about people complaining about Jones doing it yesterday are the same ones complaining about the starters not getting preseason snaps As far as I'm concerned they were getting live reps,especially the O line,against a team selling out for pass,especially the pass rush... And no team wants to be scored on ever...so those bitching about his meaningless TD run when the team had red zone issues need to ..... All LOSING QB's will pile up garbage time stats. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2021 20:52:07 GMT -5
Figuring out DJ is easy. Eli was a good QB that flashed greatness. DJ is a bad QB that has flashes of a good QB. He won't be here next year. I always felt Eli was going to be good, I haven't felt that way with DJ, but to be fair until this season he hasn't had much to work with. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 20:56:51 GMT -5
ALL qbs pile up garbage time stats The only people who care are players on fantasy teams What irks me about people complaining about Jones doing it yesterday are the same ones complaining about the starters not getting preseason snaps As far as I'm concerned they were getting live reps,especially the O line,against a team selling out for pass,especially the pass rush... And no team wants to be scored on ever...so those bitching about his meaningless TD run when the team had red zone issues need to ..... All LOSING QB's will pile up garbage time stats. You mean like good qbs that are behind even on good teams ? Nice try When I said ALL I meant ALL |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 13, 2021 21:09:33 GMT -5
All LOSING QB's will pile up garbage time stats. You mean like good qbs that are behind even on good teams ? Nice try When I said ALL I meant ALL I know what you meant. I'm telling you that I believe you're wrong. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 21:35:20 GMT -5
You mean like good qbs that are behind even on good teams ? Nice try When I said ALL I meant ALL I know what you meant. I'm telling you that I believe you're wrong. Actually you are wrong.. |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 13, 2021 21:45:22 GMT -5
All LOSING QB's will pile up garbage time stats. You mean like good qbs that are behind even on good teams ? Nice try When I said ALL I meant ALL I'll never understand this habit of cherry-picking the numbers. When Jones played well last year, some fans brought up the level of competition. So then let's look at every QB's numbers and remove their garbage time numbers and stats in games against weak competition. That's only fair. The final TD didn't count? Really? So the Broncos just let us score out of kindness? Ok, got it. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 13, 2021 21:49:16 GMT -5
I know what you meant. I'm telling you that I believe you're wrong. Actually you are wrong.. Losing QB's are behind big far more than winning QB's. Therefor they are in the situation much more where their opponents are willing to trade yards for time off the clock. AKA: Garbage Time.
I don't understand why this is hard for you.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 13, 2021 21:50:21 GMT -5
You mean like good qbs that are behind even on good teams ? Nice try When I said ALL I meant ALL I'll never understand this habit of cherry-picking the numbers. When Jones played well last year, some fans brought up the level of competition. So then let's look at every QB's numbers and remove their garbage time numbers and stats in games against weak competition. That's only fair. The final TD didn't count? Really? So the Broncos just let us score out of kindness? Ok, got it. No. The Broncos played soft so they can trade yards for time. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 13, 2021 21:55:23 GMT -5
This should be an interesting week lol Fire Gettlemen Fire Judge Fire Garrett Jones Sucks Saquan Sucks The O line Sucks ....................the next week of mindless threads. Oh and F#$% the Maras ,.................did I miss anything?  Forgot Tisch very disrespectful he wants to get fired with everyone else. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 13, 2021 22:01:54 GMT -5
While I've never really been a believer in Jones, after really thinking about it, I think that Garrett is the biggest reason for his decline. Fumbles aside, look how much better DJ looked under Shurmur. It's not even close. Look how it appears he has regressed under the clapper. It's not like the talent level 2 years ago was that much better than now. Look how wide open Denver's receivers were yesterday, over and over. Look how tight the coverage was on our receivers, maybe except for SS. That isn't a talent disparity , that is 100% scheme to me. I try not to be a knee jerk reaction, hot take guy, but I really believe this is the biggest thing holding Jones back. I think he had time to throw for the most part yesterday to be honest. He was not under that much pressure. Guys were just not open and the routes were poor, hardly any deep balls at all. Routes run short of the sticks on 3rd down. Very little motion. I think when this is flushed out, we will see that the biggest issue is Garrett. Garret couldn't hold shurmurs Jock strap, Shurmur's offense with Denvers new weaponry looked a lot like what he did in Minnesota and really resembled the games in their Playoff run attacking all levels of the field. Garrets offense as it is right now is not creative little to no presnap motion just stale and diluted they need to get Calloway and Kitchens involved.. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 13, 2021 22:15:05 GMT -5
We were surprisingly good on 3rd down. We made 6 out of 12 3rd down conversions. The 2 places that really hurts us were, Being beat 165-60 in rushing yards. Letting Denver go 3 for 3 on 4th down conversions. There were several plays that we could have had a sack or stopped a 1st down but we had bad tackling. Really tho the rushing total doesn't tell the whole story before Gordons 70 yard run Gordon and Williams were held to 91 yards combined for around 3 and change per carry the Giants had six stops for loss. The Bronco's converted and kept the chains moving mostly through the air. They got the 70 yard run late in the 4th QT. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 13, 2021 22:22:26 GMT -5
I lived through worse. Some really bad times. Not during a period of time this long. I saw the stat earlier. From 2017-2021, this is the worst 4+ year period of losing the Giants have ever had. Ever. How some are giving this GM a pass is beyond conceivable. If DJ was going to have any success as an NFL QB, he came into the worst situation possible. I remember the 90s which was, to me, the worst in my life. This is much worse. There may be some really talented guys on the roster, but the roster is very very thin and the coaching has been awful. Hold up this has been a shit show from about mid 2012 if 2016 was real Reese would still be our GM and we would be talking about playoffs the last 3 years 2 of the 5 years don't even belong to this GM because we haven't even played 2021 yet he took over in 2018 and the issue of losing had started way back 2012 and 2013. I still think if this season goes side ways GM should go but this isn't all him actually he is the tail end of major issues for years. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 13, 2021 22:35:15 GMT -5
I'll never understand this habit of cherry-picking the numbers. When Jones played well last year, some fans brought up the level of competition. So then let's look at every QB's numbers and remove their garbage time numbers and stats in games against weak competition. That's only fair. The final TD didn't count? Really? So the Broncos just let us score out of kindness? Ok, got it. No. The Broncos played soft so they can trade yards for time. They didn't have to they had like 3. 8+ minute drives they didn't have to do anything but play defense their offense controlled the whole game from first whistle to last. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 13, 2021 22:39:10 GMT -5
Nobody minded when the Last QB racked up half his stats in Garbage time, now all of a sudden its no good? Well be that as it may , you all have a point however , we can win with Jones. he was throwing well yesterday and is it his fault there was no run game to speak of and the D only had the other team punt once till garbage time? Get the pass rush sorted out and a few other things and im confident Jones could get us there. Sure he isnt the guy I wanted but he imo can do it . qbs pile up garbage time stats The only people who care are players on fantasy teams What irks me about people complaining about Jones doing it yesterday are the same ones complaining about the starters not getting preseason snaps As far as I'm concerned they were getting live reps,especially the O line,against a team selling out for pass,especially the pass rush... And no team wants to be scored on ever...so those bitching about his meaningless TD run when the team had red zone issues need to ..... Offense gets the ball no matter the score they try to score vice versa for the defense they don't give a rats ass they want stops and no scores period. |
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Post by jaymas on Sept 13, 2021 22:58:58 GMT -5
Figuring out DJ is easy. Eli was a good QB that flashed greatness. DJ is a bad QB that has flashes of a good QB. He won't be here next year. I always felt Eli was going to be good, I haven't felt that way with DJ, but to be fair until this season he hasn't had much to work with. You always felt Eli was gonna be good when he threw 17, 18, and 20 picks in his first three years as the full time starter? Imagine what we'd do to that today. The difference then is 11-5, 8-8, 10-6. 3 playoff appearances with one Lombardi. To put yourself in the middle of 2006 and say Eli is gonna be good sounds rose colored to me. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 13, 2021 23:03:17 GMT -5
I always felt Eli was going to be good, I haven't felt that way with DJ, but to be fair until this season he hasn't had much to work with. You always felt Eli was gonna be good when he threw 17, 18, and 20 picks in his first three years as the full time starter? Imagine what we'd do to that today. The difference then is 11-5, 8-8, 10-6. 3 playoff appearances with one Lombardi. To put yourself in the middle of 2006 and say Eli is gonna be good sounds rose colored to me. Did he watch Eli at Baltimore in 2004? |
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Post by jaymas on Sept 13, 2021 23:04:08 GMT -5
You always felt Eli was gonna be good when he threw 17, 18, and 20 picks in his first three years as the full time starter? Imagine what we'd do to that today. The difference then is 11-5, 8-8, 10-6. 3 playoff appearances with one Lombardi. To put yourself in the middle of 2006 and say Eli is gonna be good sounds rose colored to me. Did he watch Eli at Baltimore in 2004? That was a dark one. I wasn't sure he'd recover. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2021 23:59:36 GMT -5
I always felt Eli was going to be good, I haven't felt that way with DJ, but to be fair until this season he hasn't had much to work with. You always felt Eli was gonna be good when he threw 17, 18, and 20 picks in his first three years as the full time starter? Imagine what we'd do to that today. The difference then is 11-5, 8-8, 10-6. 3 playoff appearances with one Lombardi. To put yourself in the middle of 2006 and say Eli is gonna be good sounds rose colored to me. I did. I saw promising flashes at the time that lead me to believe he'd be fine. I was also yonger and more optimistic could've been any reason, but that's how I felt maybe it was rose colored glasses at the time. None of that matters I was just responding to another poster. There's no agenda. Regardless, I dont have that same "feel" with Jones. That's not to say Jones won't be good or even great. I can't predict that. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 14, 2021 7:52:19 GMT -5
Figuring out DJ is easy. Eli was a good QB that flashed greatness. DJ is a bad QB that has flashes of a good QB. He won't be here next year. I always felt Eli was going to be good, I haven't felt that way with DJ, but to be fair until this season he hasn't had much to work with. Eli would not have won last Sundays game IMO. |
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 14, 2021 8:17:37 GMT -5
I always felt Eli was going to be good, I haven't felt that way with DJ, but to be fair until this season he hasn't had much to work with. Eli would not have won last Sundays game IMO. ..hmm, maybe I'm the odd one being the opposite but I saw the "it factor" with Daniel flash his very first game - the unforgettable win in Tampa Bay. It took me years to warm to Eli, looked like a bust the first two years. Eli completed only 48% of his passes as a Rookie on a winning team - Warner completed 63% on the same team. I remember All Time Greats like Terry Bradshaw say that Eli didn't have the "it factor" and couldn't command a huddle..a lot of people thought it because of his quiet nature. Eli's Giants won 11 his 2nd year..but Eli was fortunate to take over a winning team with Hall of Famers on the defense. The 2006-2007 Giants wouldn't make Teddy Bridgewater look like Joe Montana. I remember the running game looked so easy back then...now Jones is our leading rusher. |
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