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Post by Kruunch on Nov 10, 2021 13:45:34 GMT -5
Right.. I’m sure we’re all guilty of killing someone at least once around here. Instead of focusing on what is said, the true focus should be on the deceased. Her voice is muted because the person who killed her is an NFL player. There isn’t enough “shade” to go around to make this right. I get that 100%. I agree with you. I just think there's way to many people who have made shitty decisions such as driving drunk, or driving a car irresponsibly who have very luckily never killed someone. I find it hard to believe in the twitterverse that some of those coming down on him haven't made decisions where they easily could have done the same at some point in their entire lives. Twitter is for the nitwits. It’s all about who can piss the furthest, when most of them piss sitting down. I’m sure everyone has made mistakes in their life, some more than others. Hence, we’re human beings. However, once you take a life due to poor decisions. You lose all benefit of doubt, and no one wants to hear you breath. Let alone, give excuses. I have less than zero sympathy for Ruggs. I don’t chalk this up as we all make mistakes. Or, he needs a second chance. That poor woman won’t get a second chance, her life is over before it even started.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 10, 2021 13:51:08 GMT -5
I get that 100%. I agree with you. I just think there's way to many people who have made shitty decisions such as driving drunk, or driving a car irresponsibly who have very luckily never killed someone. I find it hard to believe in the twitterverse that some of those coming down on him haven't made decisions where they easily could have done the same at some point in their entire lives. Twitter is for the nitwits. It’s all about who can piss the furthest, when most of them piss sitting down. I’m sure everyone has made mistakes in their life, some more than others. Hence, we’re human beings. However, once you take a life due to poor decisions. You lose all benefit of doubt, and no one wants to hear you breath. Let alone, give excuses. I have less than zero sympathy for Ruggs. I don’t chalk this up as we all make mistakes. Or, he needs a second chance. That poor woman won’t get a second chance, her life is over before it even started. Spot on.
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Post by dvision on Nov 10, 2021 14:48:36 GMT -5
yup, the modern day offense rant would be in full meltdown mode. Forget about the Giants lets talk Rangers.... specifically Igor Shesterkin wow!! I feel hopeful. This team is very close. Let's talk about how y'all are gonna get beat down at 7pm Sunday since there's no Giants game this weekend...
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Post by moecoastie on Nov 10, 2021 14:48:38 GMT -5
I mentioned this on another board...
Many years ago I had a good buddy and co-worker get himself into a situation similar to Ruggs. If KT knew him, I can understand why he posted what he did.
I wouldnt judge KT too harshly on what he posted. Some of you are responding as if KT was the one driving.
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Post by Roswell on Nov 10, 2021 15:38:50 GMT -5
Forget about the Giants lets talk Rangers.... specifically Igor Shesterkin wow!! I feel hopeful. This team is very close. Let's talk about how y'all are gonna get beat down at 7pm Sunday since there's no Giants game this weekend... Rangers have a legit shot to win their next 6 games.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 10, 2021 18:38:23 GMT -5
Ooohhhh boy!!!!! I am here for this!!!! I hope he tears everything to pieces. I don’t care if he’s new. This is what I posted about yesterday. November 10th, Happy Birthday Jarhead.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Nov 10, 2021 19:20:18 GMT -5
Let's talk about how y'all are gonna get beat down at 7pm Sunday since there's no Giants game this weekend... Rangers have a legit shot to win their next 6 games. Rangers need to start winning some games by playing well and not putting the world on Shesty’s shoulders. The last solid game they played was against Columbus.
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Post by krappdetector on Nov 11, 2021 1:24:03 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't have a problem with that particular tweet. I may not agree with him, but really don't see an issue with his posting his support. I don't even get what's wrong with the tweet. He's not defending Rugs. He's not like, "Henry didn't do anything wrong!" He's putting some context to it, about how easy it is to make terrible mistakes when young. Honestly, to recognize that, at his age, is wise. How many of us could have killed someone on the roads when we were young? The tweet, in my opinion, seems to be suggesting to people that they direct their energy towards supporting the victims as opposed to painting Rugs out to be the devil. I don't see a single thing wrong with it. And to take this tweet, of all tweets, and say it is indicator that he'll be a problem on the field is absurd. Dividing 28 by 7 and getting NINE is a MISTAKE. Driving insanely fast while drunk and commiting vehicular manslaughter is a crime caused by horrific judgment.Kadarius Toney may be a good football player but he is also an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 4:58:51 GMT -5
Ooohhhh boy!!!!! I am here for this!!!! I hope he tears everything to pieces. I don’t care if he’s new. This is what I posted about yesterday. November 10th, Happy Birthday Jarhead. Thank you buddy. Not feeling like a tough Marine these days though….not happy with the Comandant canceling the Ball due to Covid-19. This country will never move on. Now our enemies are laughing at us saying….”geez, all it takes is a bug to bring this country to its knees?”… believe me they’re taking notes.
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 11, 2021 9:24:27 GMT -5
November 10th, Happy Birthday Jarhead. Thank you buddy. Not feeling like a tough Marine these days though….not happy with the Comandant canceling the Ball due to Covid-19. This country will never move on. Now our enemies are laughing at us saying….”geez, all it takes is a bug to bring this country to its knees?”… believe me they’re taking notes. So the commandant let a virus with a 99.8% survival rate bring down the Corps & cank the Ball? Wow, even the corps has succumbed to the wokeness. You're damn right that China/Russia/NK & Iran are laughing their butts off at us. But hey, we'll lock up a LtCol for having the cojones to call out leadership & their lack of holding anyone responsible & accountable for the Stan debacle. Semper fi 2/8
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 11, 2021 10:49:10 GMT -5
November 10th, Happy Birthday Jarhead. Thank you buddy. Not feeling like a tough Marine these days though….not happy with the Comandant canceling the Ball due to Covid-19. This country will never move on. Now our enemies are laughing at us saying….”geez, all it takes is a bug to bring this country to its knees?”… believe me they’re taking notes. When I was in the corp, this day was the biggest day of the year. there was always something going on. I was in boot camp at Paris Island during our anniversay and we were allowed to go up for 2nds and have so much time to eat and that night we got to see a movie. Of course the next day it was back to normal, but they told us that. I can't believe they cancelled the ball, thats such tradition. After the fiasco in Afghanistan nothing surprises me.
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Post by jimmieray on Nov 11, 2021 12:18:04 GMT -5
Thank you buddy. Not feeling like a tough Marine these days though….not happy with the Comandant canceling the Ball due to Covid-19. This country will never move on. Now our enemies are laughing at us saying….”geez, all it takes is a bug to bring this country to its knees?”… believe me they’re taking notes. When I was in the corp, this day was the biggest day of the year. there was always something going on. I was in boot camp at Paris Island during our anniversay and we were allowed to go up for 2nds and have so much time to eat and that night we got to see a movie. Of course the next day it was back to normal, but they told us that.
I can't believe they cancelled the ball, thats such tradition. After the fiasco in Afghanistan nothing surprises me. Just wow, and look at all the B.S. that so many people get away with bitching about these days.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 12:32:00 GMT -5
When I was in the corp, this day was the biggest day of the year. there was always something going on. I was in boot camp at Paris Island during our anniversay and we were allowed to go up for 2nds and have so much time to eat and that night we got to see a movie. Of course the next day it was back to normal, but they told us that.
I can't believe they cancelled the ball, thats such tradition. After the fiasco in Afghanistan nothing surprises me. Just wow, and look at all the B.S. that so many people get away with bitching about these days.Of all the fans out here you would know this the best! Glad you are coming to grips with it.. Congratulations..
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 11, 2021 12:40:18 GMT -5
In a thread discussing our WR's use of Instagram, it ends up being a discussion about COVID, "wokeness" and the marines. I love sports forums. Marines is always spelled with a capital M. Don't OD on the hatorade.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 11, 2021 12:47:58 GMT -5
In a thread discussing our WR's use of Instagram, it ends up being a discussion about COVID, "wokeness" and the marines. I love sports forums. Just ignore it. I spent 20 years in the Navy and am comfortably retired. My conversations about my service are minimal on this football message board. They're usually in either PM or on other social media platforms with the few members that I know away from here. People on here also force-feed their political stance on here while talking shit about those who aren't in line their beliefs. It's always the same people derailing these threads with their same old shit, yet no one here holds them accountable. In summary, just ignore it and them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 14:35:55 GMT -5
Thank you buddy. Not feeling like a tough Marine these days though….not happy with the Comandant canceling the Ball due to Covid-19. This country will never move on. Now our enemies are laughing at us saying….”geez, all it takes is a bug to bring this country to its knees?”… believe me they’re taking notes. So the commandant let a virus with a 99.8% survival rate bring down the Corps & cank the Ball? Wow, even the corps has succumbed to the wokeness. You're damn right that China/Russia/NK & Iran are laughing their butts off at us. But hey, we'll lock up a LtCol for having the cojones to call out leadership & their lack of holding anyone responsible & accountable for the Stan debacle. Semper fi 2/8 Hoorah 2/8!….my buddy had transferred to 2/8. His name was Lokovich. They went out on the USS Nimitz. I was in 2/2 and 1/2. Edit: plus remember they ****ed Oliver North for lying for the President. This country can kiss my ass.
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 11, 2021 14:41:14 GMT -5
So the commandant let a virus with a 99.8% survival rate bring down the Corps & cank the Ball? Wow, even the corps has succumbed to the wokeness. You're damn right that China/Russia/NK & Iran are laughing their butts off at us. But hey, we'll lock up a LtCol for having the cojones to call out leadership & their lack of holding anyone responsible & accountable for the Stan debacle. Semper fi 2/8 Hoorah 2/8!….my buddy had transferred to 2/8. His name was Lokovich. They went out on the USS Nimitz. I was in 2/2 and 1/2. Edit: plus remember they ****ed Oliver North for lying for the President. This country can kiss my ass. It seems that this country likes to hang Marine LtCols out to dry for the screwups of the top brass & politicians in charge at the time. Semper fi bro
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 14:42:35 GMT -5
Just ignore it. I spent 20 years in the Navy and am comfortably retired. My conversations about my service are minimal on this football message board. They're usually in either PM or on other social media platforms with the few members that I know away from here. People on here also force-feed their political stance on here while talking shit about those who aren't in line their beliefs. It's always the same people derailing these threads with their same old shit, yet no one here holds them accountable. In summary, just ignore it and them. It’s genuinely entertaining to me. For real. The evolution of threads is sometimes funny. As they used to say in the Corps….. “WHAAA!!!! Cry me a River!” Happy Veterans Day!
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Post by TEM on Nov 11, 2021 15:11:40 GMT -5
In a thread discussing our WR's use of Instagram, it ends up being a discussion about COVID, "wokeness" and the marines. I love sports forums. Do you expect any different?
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 11, 2021 15:13:47 GMT -5
As they used to say in the Corps….. “WHAAA!!!! Cry me a River!” Happy Veterans Day! As they said in Stripes…..”Lighten up, Francis.” As they said in Tin Cup...."I think you're all ****in nuts"
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Post by PennState1 on Nov 12, 2021 9:44:42 GMT -5
I say good for him . He has the balls call out the smug . I respect that. Problem is he seems like the type of diva that can dish it out but can’t take it. He’s also coming across as very a “unJudge” type of player which makes you wonder what kind of scouting department they have or if they even know what they’re doing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gettleman and Judge are already having some sort of regret. I know another past Giant 1st round WR who is like that. Didn’t end well. On the other hand, how does our crap OC not designing plays to take advantage of his skills? He got one freaking target in the last game? How do you explain that?
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Post by GameTime on Nov 12, 2021 10:00:22 GMT -5
I say good for him . He has the balls call out the smug . I respect that. Problem is he seems like the type of diva that can dish it out but can’t take it. He’s also coming across as very a “unJudge” type of player which makes you wonder what kind of scouting department they have or if they even know what they’re doing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gettleman and Judge are already having some sort of regret. he isnt a diva at all yet... also have seen nothing where "he cant take it" I normally dont like BS like this but Toney calls out the media for their dumbass questions which I totally dig. So far he back and forth with the media has been funny has hell. What he said about the Ruggs situation needed to be worded differently for sure. The optics on that wasnt good at all. One event, no matter how tragic, does not define someone. It may ultimately define Ruggs but maybe not. While this one even may ruin Ruggs' career and life he may not be a bad person overall. Good solid people can make poor choices that end in tragedy. I think thats all Toney was trying to say. I own every one of my poor decisions, choices, habits etc but each one individually, in a vacuum, does not define me. I ashamed to admit I have driven drunk too many times to count. Not recently but from my teens to the not so distant past. Most of my friends too. Luckily I never hurt anyone or myself. But there were close calls that could have ended badly.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 12, 2021 10:11:24 GMT -5
I mentioned this on another board... Many years ago I had a good buddy and co-worker get himself into a situation similar to Ruggs. If KT knew him, I can understand why he posted what he did. I wouldnt judge KT too harshly on what he posted. Some of you are responding as if KT was the one driving. But do we have to sit back and act like this was the only time KT found him self front and center on social media for something not on the field related? I get that this tweet alone isnt much outside of him defending Ruggs action because he is so "young" at 23, but just like Odell, everything started adding up and got to a boiling point eventually. Lets not forget he already got into a brawl less than halfway through his rookie season. KT needs to put a bird on it and stop using social media the way he currently is IMO before its too late.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 12, 2021 10:12:49 GMT -5
Problem is he seems like the type of diva that can dish it out but can’t take it. He’s also coming across as very a “unJudge” type of player which makes you wonder what kind of scouting department they have or if they even know what they’re doing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gettleman and Judge are already having some sort of regret. he isnt a diva at all yet... also have seen nothing where "he cant take it" I normally dont like BS like this but Toney calls out the media for their dumbass questions which I totally dig. So far he back and forth with the media has been funny has hell. What he said about the Ruggs situation needed to be worded differently for sure. The optics on that wasnt good at all. One event, no matter how tragic, does not define someone. It may ultimately define Ruggs but maybe not. While this one even may ruin Ruggs' career and life he may not be a bad person overall. Good solid people can make poor choices that end in tragedy. I think thats all Toney was trying to say. I own every one of my poor decisions, choices, habits etc but each one individually, in a vacuum, does not define me. I ashamed to admit I have driven drunk too many times to count. Not recently but from my teens to the not so distant past. Most of my friends too. Luckily I never hurt anyone or myself. But there were close calls that could have ended badly. Same, and forgive the assumption, but it’s not the ‘same’ for us because weren’t not at the pinnacle of our professions making millions in the public eye. I have sympathy for mistakes when someone is genuine about wanting to do and be better. But the margin of error and forgiveness shrinks based on where you are in life. There’s a downside to every job, this is the downside for professional athletes. My issue with Toney is not his Tweet. It’s this idea that he’s not responding to coaching.. These players go through multiple media training courses. And someone like Toney has clearly had follow up discussions from those courses, and the message isn’t getting through. I start connecting dots. How far a leap is it for Toney to tune out on-field coaching when it’s clear he’s tuning out off field coaching? I want this kid to succeed, as a complete outsider (which makes my opinion basically worthless), I worry that he isn’t connecting what he does as impacting the people around him.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 12, 2021 10:16:06 GMT -5
I mentioned this on another board... Many years ago I had a good buddy and co-worker get himself into a situation similar to Ruggs. If KT knew him, I can understand why he posted what he did. I wouldnt judge KT too harshly on what he posted. Some of you are responding as if KT was the one driving. But do we have to sit back and act like this was the only time KT found him self front and center on social media for something not on the field related? I get that this tweet alone isnt much outside of him defending Ruggs action because he is so "young" at 23, but just like Odell, everything started adding up and got to a boiling point eventually. Lets not forget he already got into a brawl less than halfway through his rookie season. KT needs to put a bird on it and stop using social media the way he currently is IMO before its too late. Absolutely 100%. Patterns. This is just meaningless social media stuff. But he’s been told multiple times (a lot more than we’re all aware of, they go through training for this) and he’s just deciding, multiple times, what he wants is more important than what he’s being asked to do. How long does it take before he’s asked to block on a running play and decides he doesn’t want to? Patterns.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 12, 2021 10:20:03 GMT -5
he isnt a diva at all yet... also have seen nothing where "he cant take it" I normally dont like BS like this but Toney calls out the media for their dumbass questions which I totally dig. So far he back and forth with the media has been funny has hell. What he said about the Ruggs situation needed to be worded differently for sure. The optics on that wasnt good at all. One event, no matter how tragic, does not define someone. It may ultimately define Ruggs but maybe not. While this one even may ruin Ruggs' career and life he may not be a bad person overall. Good solid people can make poor choices that end in tragedy. I think thats all Toney was trying to say. I own every one of my poor decisions, choices, habits etc but each one individually, in a vacuum, does not define me. I ashamed to admit I have driven drunk too many times to count. Not recently but from my teens to the not so distant past. Most of my friends too. Luckily I never hurt anyone or myself. But there were close calls that could have ended badly. Same, and forgive the assumption, but it’s not the ‘same’ for us because weren’t not at the pinnacle of our professions making millions in the public eye. I have sympathy for mistakes when someone is genuine about wanting to do and be better. But the margin of error and forgiveness shrinks based on where you are in life. There’s a downside to every job, this is the downside for professional athletes. My issue with Toney is not his Tweet. It’s this idea that he’s not responding to coaching.. These players go through multiple media training courses. And someone like Toney has clearly had follow up discussions from those courses, and the message isn’t getting through. I start connecting dots. How far a leap is it for Toney to tune out on-field coaching when it’s clear he’s tuning out off field coaching? I want this kid to succeed, as a complete outsider (which makes my opinion basically worthless), I worry that he isn’t connecting what he does as impacting the people around him. The highlighted sentence makes zero difference to me. We are all human and as such will make mistakes. Money, fame, position, opportunity etc dont' matter really. While it may be true that a position like Toney's offers more than someone who is "down and out" we are all just human. Look at all the "well to do" peeps that screw up every single day. Others have said " I cant understand Ruggs. He has is it all".....just proves my point that that it doesnt matter. Poor choices will always be made. Money and fame dont make people smart. Actually hurts many. Not sure about Toney's coaching issue at all.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 12, 2021 10:45:52 GMT -5
Same, and forgive the assumption, but it’s not the ‘same’ for us because weren’t not at the pinnacle of our professions making millions in the public eye. I have sympathy for mistakes when someone is genuine about wanting to do and be better. But the margin of error and forgiveness shrinks based on where you are in life. There’s a downside to every job, this is the downside for professional athletes. My issue with Toney is not his Tweet. It’s this idea that he’s not responding to coaching.. These players go through multiple media training courses. And someone like Toney has clearly had follow up discussions from those courses, and the message isn’t getting through. I start connecting dots. How far a leap is it for Toney to tune out on-field coaching when it’s clear he’s tuning out off field coaching? I want this kid to succeed, as a complete outsider (which makes my opinion basically worthless), I worry that he isn’t connecting what he does as impacting the people around him. The highlighted sentence makes zero difference to me. We are all human and as such will make mistakes. Money, fame, position, opportunity etc dont' matter really. While it may be true that a position like Toney's offers more than someone who is "down and out" we are all just human. Look at all the "well to do" peeps that screw up every single day. Others have said " I cant understand Ruggs. He has is it all".....just proves my point that that it doesnt matter. Poor choices will always be made. Money and fame dont make people smart. Actually hurts many. Not sure about Toney's coaching issue at all. Holistically you’re completely right. Guy washing toilets or a guy operating on brains, doesn’t matter. Character is character. Forgiveness is forgiveness. Position in life doesn’t make you naturally “smarter”. When it comes to impact on your career, the margin of error you’re afforded unfortunately matters where you and what you do. A bank teller who shows up to work loaded and serves customers loaded can reasonably be given a second chance. An airline pilot who flies a plane loaded shouldn’t have that margin of error IMO.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 12, 2021 10:56:43 GMT -5
The highlighted sentence makes zero difference to me. We are all human and as such will make mistakes. Money, fame, position, opportunity etc dont' matter really. While it may be true that a position like Toney's offers more than someone who is "down and out" we are all just human. Look at all the "well to do" peeps that screw up every single day. Others have said " I cant understand Ruggs. He has is it all".....just proves my point that that it doesnt matter. Poor choices will always be made. Money and fame dont make people smart. Actually hurts many. Not sure about Toney's coaching issue at all. Holistically you’re completely right. Guy washing toilets or a guy operating on brains, doesn’t matter. Character is character. Forgiveness is forgiveness. Position in life doesn’t make you naturally “smarter”. When it comes to impact on your career, the margin of error you’re afforded unfortunately matters where you and what you do. A bank teller who shows up to work loaded and serves customers loaded can reasonably be given a second chance. An airline pilot who flies a plane loaded shouldn’t have that margin of error IMO. No question...you are correct. Funny you used an aviation analogy as I am not a pilot but am in the industry. In almost 40 years I showed up to work once "not sober". Was in aviation school and we ended a phase and drank after the test was over. Showed up to work at a part time new job to clean a small corporate jet. Instead of working I fell asleep in the back and when I woke up I was sober and completed my job. Ruggs margin for error was the same for anyone who gets behind the wheel in the condition he was in. Being a pro NFL player at that point was not a factor. He could have called an uber, a friend, or I bet the team even has a service for the players. So he had options but when you are a trashed all rational though is out the window.
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Post by moecoastie on Nov 12, 2021 12:08:39 GMT -5
I mentioned this on another board... Many years ago I had a good buddy and co-worker get himself into a situation similar to Ruggs. If KT knew him, I can understand why he posted what he did. I wouldnt judge KT too harshly on what he posted. Some of you are responding as if KT was the one driving. But do we have to sit back and act like this was the only time KT found him self front and center on social media for something not on the field related? I get that this tweet alone isnt much outside of him defending Ruggs action because he is so "young" at 23, but just like Odell, everything started adding up and got to a boiling point eventually. Lets not forget he already got into a brawl less than halfway through his rookie season. KT needs to put a bird on it and stop using social media the way he currently is IMO before its too late. The fight is a strike against him, no doubt. The rest of these stories that came out is just the media doing what they do...question everything.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 12, 2021 12:45:41 GMT -5
But do we have to sit back and act like this was the only time KT found him self front and center on social media for something not on the field related? I get that this tweet alone isnt much outside of him defending Ruggs action because he is so "young" at 23, but just like Odell, everything started adding up and got to a boiling point eventually. Lets not forget he already got into a brawl less than halfway through his rookie season. KT needs to put a bird on it and stop using social media the way he currently is IMO before its too late. The fight is a strike against him, no doubt. The rest of these stories that came out is just the media doing what they do...question everything. Yes, questioning his character. The kid pulled a fake AK out and pointed at students on campus. I can move on from it (although that one is hard) but if stuff keeps adding up with his attitude or judgement, its time to worry. Im not there yet, but the red flag is raised. We have seen this type of stuff too many times in the NFL. Its kind of a "hope for the best prepare for the worst" type deal IMO.
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