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Post by cdngfan on Nov 12, 2021 13:18:37 GMT -5
Holistically you’re completely right. Guy washing toilets or a guy operating on brains, doesn’t matter. Character is character. Forgiveness is forgiveness. Position in life doesn’t make you naturally “smarter”. When it comes to impact on your career, the margin of error you’re afforded unfortunately matters where you and what you do. A bank teller who shows up to work loaded and serves customers loaded can reasonably be given a second chance. An airline pilot who flies a plane loaded shouldn’t have that margin of error IMO. No question...you are correct. Funny you used an aviation analogy as I am not a pilot but am in the industry. In almost 40 years I showed up to work once "not sober". Was in aviation school and we ended a phase and drank after the test was over. Showed up to work at a part time new job to clean a small corporate jet. Instead of working I fell asleep in the back and when I woke up I was sober and completed my job. Ruggs margin for error was the same for anyone who gets behind the wheel in the condition he was in. Being a pro NFL player at that point was not a factor. He could have called an uber, a friend, or I bet the team even has a service for the players. So he had options but when you are a trashed all rational though is out the window. Haha!!! We completely agree. Ruggs standard is the same for all of us because what he did was literally criminal. And I know for a fact they have a service, but I wonder if teams are smart enough to make the service confidential so it doesn’t expose the fact that you’re hammered on a Tues to FO/ownership.
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Post by Nick6475 on Nov 12, 2021 13:42:23 GMT -5
No question...you are correct. Funny you used an aviation analogy as I am not a pilot but am in the industry. In almost 40 years I showed up to work once "not sober". Was in aviation school and we ended a phase and drank after the test was over. Showed up to work at a part time new job to clean a small corporate jet. Instead of working I fell asleep in the back and when I woke up I was sober and completed my job. Ruggs margin for error was the same for anyone who gets behind the wheel in the condition he was in. Being a pro NFL player at that point was not a factor. He could have called an uber, a friend, or I bet the team even has a service for the players. So he had options but when you are a trashed all rational though is out the window. Haha!!! We completely agree. Ruggs standard is the same for all of us because what he did was literally criminal. And I know for a fact they have a service, but I wonder if teams are smart enough to make the service confidential so it doesn’t expose the fact that you’re hammered on a Tues to FO/ownership. The idea of a car service or Uber/Lyft is great, but if the person is not of sound mind before or after becoming drunk then it is useless. Most people that are getting so drunk that they are twice the legal limit are not thinking about the safest ways to get home.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 12, 2021 15:44:58 GMT -5
Problem is he seems like the type of diva that can dish it out but can’t take it. He’s also coming across as very a “unJudge” type of player which makes you wonder what kind of scouting department they have or if they even know what they’re doing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gettleman and Judge are already having some sort of regret. he isnt a diva at all yet... also have seen nothing where "he cant take it" I normally dont like BS like this but Toney calls out the media for their dumbass questions which I totally dig. So far he back and forth with the media has been funny has hell. What he said about the Ruggs situation needed to be worded differently for sure. The optics on that wasnt good at all. One event, no matter how tragic, does not define someone. It may ultimately define Ruggs but maybe not. While this one even may ruin Ruggs' career and life he may not be a bad person overall. Good solid people can make poor choices that end in tragedy. I think thats all Toney was trying to say. I own every one of my poor decisions, choices, habits etc but each one individually, in a vacuum, does not define me. I ashamed to admit I have driven drunk too many times to count. Not recently but from my teens to the not so distant past. Most of my friends too. Luckily I never hurt anyone or myself. But there were close calls that could have ended badly. I dunno man, skipping OTA’s as a rookie? Not a good look IMO. If he pulled that kind of shit his first year, makes me wonder how he’ll in 2-3 years. He comes across as a mental midget to me. Who cares what the media says? Shit them up with your play on the field, not Twitter. The fact that he responds as often as he does tells me it does bother him otherwise he would just ignore it. I’ve f’ed up several times in my life, including a DWI when I was 18, and even though I blew the legal limit since I was underage it was considered a DWI. Regardless, I’m thankful every day that it happened before I hurt myself or someone else. Once again, Toney would have been a lot better off just keeping his mouth shut and staying off Twitter but nope, he has to be heard….another diva trait. No one is perfect but he’s not smart enough to know how his words and actions can be misinterpreted and it keeps happening. Judge shouldn’t have to be answering questions or defending Toney what seems to be every other week. That’s what baby sitters and parents have to do on regular basis for a problem child, not what a HC should have to do for a grown ass man. No, I don’t consider any of these men “kids” which is a term that is thrown around way too often. They’re f’in adults, start acting like one.
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Post by vinnie on Nov 12, 2021 15:46:37 GMT -5
The highlighted sentence makes zero difference to me. We are all human and as such will make mistakes. Money, fame, position, opportunity etc dont' matter really. While it may be true that a position like Toney's offers more than someone who is "down and out" we are all just human. Look at all the "well to do" peeps that screw up every single day. Others have said " I cant understand Ruggs. He has is it all".....just proves my point that that it doesnt matter. Poor choices will always be made. Money and fame dont make people smart. Actually hurts many. Not sure about Toney's coaching issue at all. Holistically you’re completely right. Guy washing toilets or a guy operating on brains, doesn’t matter. Character is character. Forgiveness is forgiveness. Position in life doesn’t make you naturally “smarter”. When it comes to impact on your career, the margin of error you’re afforded unfortunately matters where you and what you do. A bank teller who shows up to work loaded and serves customers loaded can reasonably be given a second chance. An airline pilot who flies a plane loaded shouldn’t have that margin of error IMO. Why did you say unfortunately? It seems like you agree different professions should be held to different standards (which I agree with).
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 12, 2021 16:04:10 GMT -5
Holistically you’re completely right. Guy washing toilets or a guy operating on brains, doesn’t matter. Character is character. Forgiveness is forgiveness. Position in life doesn’t make you naturally “smarter”. When it comes to impact on your career, the margin of error you’re afforded unfortunately matters where you and what you do. A bank teller who shows up to work loaded and serves customers loaded can reasonably be given a second chance. An airline pilot who flies a plane loaded shouldn’t have that margin of error IMO. Why did you say unfortunately? It seems like you agree different professions should be held to different standards (which I agree with). “Unfortunately” wasn’t me thinking the difference in standards is bad, it’s understanding that this written media is not great at communicating tone, and I’m interested in having discussions and not getting in dust ups over interpretation/wording.
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Post by moecoastie on Nov 12, 2021 17:28:31 GMT -5
The fight is a strike against him, no doubt. The rest of these stories that came out is just the media doing what they do...question everything. Yes, questioning his character. The kid pulled a fake AK out and pointed at students on campus. I can move on from it (although that one is hard) but if stuff keeps adding up with his attitude or judgement, its time to worry. Im not there yet, but the red flag is raised. We have seen this type of stuff too many times in the NFL. Its kind of a "hope for the best prepare for the worst" type deal IMO. He brought a toy gun to a fight. The only person who could have gotten hurt is himself. Stupid, yes....but much different than bringing a bat, brick, knife, or real gun. Such things show no regard for human life. Although some may make you believe it is the case
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 12, 2021 17:45:23 GMT -5
Yes, questioning his character. The kid pulled a fake AK out and pointed at students on campus. I can move on from it (although that one is hard) but if stuff keeps adding up with his attitude or judgement, its time to worry. Im not there yet, but the red flag is raised. We have seen this type of stuff too many times in the NFL. Its kind of a "hope for the best prepare for the worst" type deal IMO. He brought a toy gun to a fight. The only person who could have gotten hurt is himself. Stupid, yes....but much different than bringing a bat, brick, knife, or real gun. Such things show no regard for human life. Although some may make you believe it is the case He brought a toy gun to a fight, and modified it to look real. That's one of the dumbest things you can do because then the guy with the real gun comes out. What do you do to him? Squirt water? Dumb. All the way around. And it's not like he doesn't carry a real AR-15 in his backseat.
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Post by moecoastie on Nov 12, 2021 19:08:52 GMT -5
He brought a toy gun to a fight. The only person who could have gotten hurt is himself. Stupid, yes....but much different than bringing a bat, brick, knife, or real gun. Such things show no regard for human life. Although some may make you believe it is the case He brought a toy gun to a fight, and modified it to look real. That's one of the dumbest things you can do because then the guy with the real gun comes out. What do you do to him? Squirt water? Dumb. All the way around. And it's not like he doesn't carry a real AR-15 in his backseat. There is absolutely nothing wrong with carrying a legal firearm. I question why he was even pulled over to begin with and detained over a legal firearm. Minority problems.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 12, 2021 19:37:01 GMT -5
He brought a toy gun to a fight, and modified it to look real. That's one of the dumbest things you can do because then the guy with the real gun comes out. What do you do to him? Squirt water? Dumb. All the way around. And it's not like he doesn't carry a real AR-15 in his backseat. There is absolutely nothing wrong with carrying a legal firearm. I question why he was even pulled over to begin with and detained over a legal firearm. Minority problems. Oh lord. Here we go. Minority problems without any knowledge of the situation. I suggest you watch the video of the event. Yes owning a legal gun is fine. I agree.
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Post by giants8493 on Nov 12, 2021 19:44:21 GMT -5
Toney realizes he is on a shaky team and is bummed... Golladay too I know how he feels. I’m bummed we drafted him over Slater. they got an extra first round pick though. I like draft picks but I also like good offensive linemen. I'm hoping that they use it to draft someone even better then slater
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Post by moecoastie on Nov 12, 2021 19:55:25 GMT -5
There is absolutely nothing wrong with carrying a legal firearm. I question why he was even pulled over to begin with and detained over a legal firearm. Minority problems. Oh lord. Here we go. Minority problems without any knowledge of the situation. I suggest you watch the video of the event. Yes owning a legal gun is fine. I agree. I have watched the vid. Unless there is another vid by the news channel with an "ongoing investigation" that never continued that I dont know about. Key words I heard in the video I watched... Pulled over for a seat belt violation Didn't immediated stop to justify the urgency of the police. Detaining to clarify the storage of the legal firearm. i believe these are probably the points you will bring up to justify an otherwise trivial encounter. I don't want to get into a debate with you about this situation, just know I believe I've looked at this situation rationally and still have the same questions when I take into consideration my own experiences. This is why I have the opinion that this encounter is absolutely nothing made out to be something. Edit: The "people" he was armed to protect himself against are the same dudes associated with the toy gun incident. I believe they were local illegal gambling crew that was unhappy with the team in some fashion. I mention this to show they are related situations and not two different situation with a very real threat.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 12, 2021 20:01:24 GMT -5
Oh lord. Here we go. Minority problems without any knowledge of the situation. I suggest you watch the video of the event. Yes owning a legal gun is fine. I agree. I have watched the vid. Unless there is another vid by the news channel with an "ongoing investigation" that never continued that I dont know about. Key words I heard in the video I watched... Pulled over for a seat belt violation Didn't immediated stop to justify the urgency of the police. Detaining to clarify the storage of the legal firearm. i believe these are probably the points you will bring up to justify an otherwise trivial encounter. I don't want to get into a debate with you about this situation, just know I believe I've looked at this situation rationally and still have the same questions when I take into consideration my own experiences. This is why I have the opinion that this encounter is absolutely nothing made out to be something. It was nothing, since it amounted to nothing. Legal gun. No issues. The cops were actually more than nice to them. Toney and his buddy acted rationally which is why it didn't further escalate. I thought it was handled perfectly by both parties from what I saw. Both respected each other. What I did also see were a bunch of cops and cop cars in down town Gainesville pulling more than just Toney over because he was black. It looks like downtown Gainseville on a party night late to me. It happens every weekend. I've been there plenty. Students get pulled over all the time. It's a DUI check basically.
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