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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 27, 2021 11:11:33 GMT -5
Kittles was a 5th Boss i think was a 5th Ballard was am UDFA Both Cowboy TEs were mid to late round picks(I think one is a FA next year) We have 2 3rds to possibly look at one if a guy is there Here's to hoping they can turn this pick into a good player.. Bavaro was a mid round pick but not in the 19th round like some baseball players.. Bavaro I think was a 2nd round guy Mowatt was I think an UDFA (considering drafts were like 12 rounds back then its even more impressive he made it and was really good
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Post by jb456 on Oct 27, 2021 11:12:07 GMT -5
I think they could get a 2nd or 3rd. It would be a big let down to get a 4th in my opinion. I definitely do not want a 4th. We do not have anyone better and we are unlikely to find a better TE in the 4th round. That would be awesome but I think the only team that would overpay to that extent is the Giants. No chance is hell that the Giants are getting a 3rd rounder for him. He is going to be a FA and no one would franchise him. What team would give up a 3rd round pick for a little over a half a season AND they pay this guy....
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Post by kerryisdaman on Oct 27, 2021 11:13:09 GMT -5
Kittles was a 5th Boss i think was a 5th Ballard was am UDFA Both Cowboy TEs were mid to late round picks(I think one is a FA next year) We have 2 3rds to possibly look at one if a guy is there Here's to hoping they can turn this pick into a good player.. Bavaro was a mid round pick but not in the 19th round like some baseball players.. Bavaro was my second favorite player of all time but you are hoping for an outlier not the norm. Thats like saying we should hope for a Brady in the 6th round. Its possible. It has happened but it is not likely.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Oct 27, 2021 11:14:40 GMT -5
Here's to hoping they can turn this pick into a good player.. Bavaro was a mid round pick but not in the 19th round like some baseball players.. Bavaro I think was a 2nd round guy Mowatt was I think an UDFA (considering drafts were like 12 rounds back then its even more impressive he made it and was really good Mark was a 4th
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 11:15:12 GMT -5
Here's to hoping they can turn this pick into a good player.. Bavaro was a mid round pick but not in the 19th round like some baseball players.. Bavaro I think was a 2nd round guy Mowatt was I think an UDFA (considering drafts were like 12 rounds back then its even more impressive he made it and was really good Bavaro was a 4th rounder..
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 27, 2021 11:15:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 11:18:23 GMT -5
Here's to hoping they can turn this pick into a good player.. Bavaro was a mid round pick but not in the 19th round like some baseball players.. Bavaro was my second favorite player of all time but you are hoping for an outlier not the norm. Thats like saying we should hope for a Brady in the 6th round. Its possible. It has happened but it is not likely. There have been a few other real good TEs that were selected on the 3rd day of the draft so we will have to disagree on this.. Using Brady here is like using Mattingly so you are consistent which is a bonus in my book..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 11:19:05 GMT -5
Cool there is a bidding war for him!! Hope Getty finds the phone this time..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 11:19:52 GMT -5
That would be awesome but I think the only team that would overpay to that extent is the Giants. No chance is hell that the Giants are getting a 3rd rounder for him. He is going to be a FA and no one would franchise him. What team would give up a 3rd round pick for a little over a half a season AND they pay this guy.... That would be the Giants with Williams..
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Post by kerryisdaman on Oct 27, 2021 11:21:56 GMT -5
Bavaro was my second favorite player of all time but you are hoping for an outlier not the norm. Thats like saying we should hope for a Brady in the 6th round. Its possible. It has happened but it is not likely. There have been a few other real good TEs that were selected on the 3rd day of the draft so we will have to disagree on this.. Using Brady here is like using Mattingly so you are consistent which is a bonus in my book.. Your key word is a few. So is a few an outlier or the norm?
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 27, 2021 11:23:34 GMT -5
Bavaro was my second favorite player of all time but you are hoping for an outlier not the norm. Thats like saying we should hope for a Brady in the 6th round. Its possible. It has happened but it is not likely. There have been a few other real good TEs that were selected on the 3rd day of the draft so we will have to disagree on this.. Using Brady here is like using Mattingly so you are consistent which is a bonus in my book.. I have maintained we don't need a superstar TE in the passing game..especially the way modern offenses are constructed Give me a Ballard/Boss(50 ish catches for 500 or so yards,a chain mover/red zone threat that os above average blocking)with 3 really good recievers .. That's all you need He'll Ballard/Boss..witb Toney and whatever good WR opposite him .. Nobody will be able to defend this ..especially with what it brings to tbe running game Those guys are always available day 3
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 27, 2021 11:23:50 GMT -5
Maybe trade straight up for some OL help? Not sure who that would be though.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 27, 2021 11:24:22 GMT -5
That would be awesome but I think the only team that would overpay to that extent is the Giants. I’m trying to think of a team out there dumb enough to do that and the only one that keeps coming to mind is Gettleman and the Giants. Injury history, drops and coming up on a contract year. I don’t see a snow balls chance in hell they get a 2nd for him and even a 3rd would be shocking to me. Me too. I was thinking it would be a conditional 5th and hoping it would be a 4th. I can’t see anyone paying more than that.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 27, 2021 11:27:06 GMT -5
I’m trying to think of a team out there dumb enough to do that and the only one that keeps coming to mind is Gettleman and the Giants. Injury history, drops and coming up on a contract year. I don’t see a snow balls chance in hell they get a 2nd for him and even a 3rd would be shocking to me. Me too. I was thinking it would be a conditional 5th and hoping it would be a 4th. I can’t see anyone paying more than that. Oh there are plenty of dumb teams Usually with records just like ours or worse .. The Bears like to throw draft picks around like drunken investment bankers at tit bars..unfortunately we already fleeced them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 11:27:10 GMT -5
There have been a few other real good TEs that were selected on the 3rd day of the draft so we will have to disagree on this.. Using Brady here is like using Mattingly so you are consistent which is a bonus in my book.. Your key word is a few. So is a few an outlier or the norm? Sorry I can't say I've kept track of good TEs and where they were drafted.. I did just google Kelce and guess what day he was selected? I'm not a believer that a good TE drafted on the 3rd day is an outlier..
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Post by jb456 on Oct 27, 2021 11:29:41 GMT -5
No chance is hell that the Giants are getting a 3rd rounder for him. He is going to be a FA and no one would franchise him. What team would give up a 3rd round pick for a little over a half a season AND they pay this guy.... That would be the Giants with Williams.. Touche... You think they can get a 3rd rounder for him?
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Post by kerryisdaman on Oct 27, 2021 11:30:27 GMT -5
Your key word is a few. So is a few an outlier or the norm? Sorry I can't say I've kept track of good TEs and where they were drafted.. I did just google Kelce and guess what day he was selected? I'm not a believer that a good TE drafted on the 3rd day is an outlier.. If all pro TEs were the norm in the 3rd round or later nobody would ever take them in the 1st or 2nd round. For every all pro you find in the 3rd round or later I can name 30 drafted in the 3rd round or later that amounted to little.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 11:30:32 GMT -5
That would be the Giants with Williams.. Touche... You think they can get a 3rd rounder for him? Nope conditional 5th rounder I think is his max..
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Post by jb456 on Oct 27, 2021 11:31:05 GMT -5
Me too. I was thinking it would be a conditional 5th and hoping it would be a 4th. I can’t see anyone paying more than that. Oh there are plenty of dumb teams Usually with records just like ours or worse .. The Bears like to throw draft picks around like drunken investment bankers at tit bars..unfortunately we already fleeced them Let's get their #2 pick and get and essential get their entire draft, lol
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 27, 2021 11:31:22 GMT -5
Hope not. He is one of our only guys getting open and catching the ball. so we’re selling on a high. We know the drops and deflections for int’s are coming lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 11:32:39 GMT -5
Sorry I can't say I've kept track of good TEs and where they were drafted.. I did just google Kelce and guess what day he was selected? I'm not a believer that a good TE drafted on the 3rd day is an outlier.. If all pro TEs were the norm in the 3rd round or later nobody would ever take them in the 1st or 2nd round. For every all pro you find in the 3rd round or later I can name 30 drafted in the 3rd round or later that amounted to little. Sounds like a bunch is BS to me.. 30 really?? you really should've walked a way from this discussion.. GO GIANTS!!
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Post by GameTime on Oct 27, 2021 11:33:27 GMT -5
Great team mate Loves the Game Drops easy passes Catches difficult ones tho Cant block but so what. Many TEs in the NFL cant and dont block Oft injured
If he goes then just make it worth it .
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Post by hadenough on Oct 27, 2021 11:33:34 GMT -5
I don't see them getting more than a 3rd. I would think 4th.
For teams in contention, it's probably worth it. Either they sign him or he will get paid as a free agent, and whatever team trades for him could potentially get a compensation pick back.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Oct 27, 2021 11:34:06 GMT -5
Hope not. He is one of our only guys getting open and catching the ball. so we’re selling on a high. We know the drops and deflections for int’s are coming lol. The tips for ints are my biggest issue with EE.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 27, 2021 11:35:51 GMT -5
Sorry I can't say I've kept track of good TEs and where they were drafted.. I did just google Kelce and guess what day he was selected? I'm not a believer that a good TE drafted on the 3rd day is an outlier.. If all pro TEs were the norm in the 3rd round or later nobody would ever take them in the 1st or 2nd round. For every all pro you find in the 3rd round or later I can name 30 drafted in the 3rd round or later that amounted to little. Because most superstar receiving TEs are actually outleirs He'll I think Kelcey was a 3rd or later.. Brate was a mid rounder Howard was overdraft for what he is ( a traditional type that is good ad everything but not a supetstar) Great offenses don't need a superstar TE,especially ones that are outside the tackle box blockers ...
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 27, 2021 11:37:04 GMT -5
Sorry I can't say I've kept track of good TEs and where they were drafted.. I did just google Kelce and guess what day he was selected? I'm not a believer that a good TE drafted on the 3rd day is an outlier.. If all pro TEs were the norm in the 3rd round or later nobody would ever take them in the 1st or 2nd round. For every all pro you find in the 3rd round or later I can name 30 drafted in the 3rd round or later that amounted to little. Then wouldn’t the question be what’s the success rate for TEs drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds?
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Post by jb456 on Oct 27, 2021 11:39:39 GMT -5
Great team mate Loves the Game Drops easy passes Catches difficult ones tho Cant block but so what. Many TEs in the NFL cant and dont block Oft injured If he goes then just make it worth it . This is why a 5th is worth it: The Giants aren't signing him to a 2nd contract. They will be outbid in FA and probably won't even make the guy an offer... Oh, and the season is shot (This is also driving this decision)
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 27, 2021 11:40:30 GMT -5
Bavaro I think was a 2nd round guy Mowatt was I think an UDFA (considering drafts were like 12 rounds back then its even more impressive he made it and was really good Mark was a 4th those were the days. Have a player like Mowatt and ask yourself why would they draft a Bavaro and suddenly Bavaro is better while Zeke was still great. It’s taking Banks when all those linebackers were already here. Then immediately Pepper is there when Carson stepped aside. Those were the days.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 27, 2021 11:40:59 GMT -5
If all pro TEs were the norm in the 3rd round or later nobody would ever take them in the 1st or 2nd round. For every all pro you find in the 3rd round or later I can name 30 drafted in the 3rd round or later that amounted to little. Then wouldn’t the question be what’s the success rate for TEs drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds? We have to define what is successful for a 1st round TE People are looking for the next Gronk and for the most part these guys are again,Ballard,Boss,Brate,3ct. Really good 2 way TEs but not putting up the numbers you are hoping for a first round or even a 2nd round guy.. Give me a guy like Ruckert (Ohio State )with one of our 3rds and we get this
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 27, 2021 11:41:54 GMT -5
I could use a 6 pack for the Monday night game.....I mean only a real sucker would trade anything more for that bag of dicks.
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