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Post by kerryisdaman on Oct 30, 2021 15:19:39 GMT -5
He’s been through 3 different OC’s in his tenure here….sure it’s the OC’s fault….wait no it’s the QB’s fault they should know not to hit him in the hands by now….wait no it’s the trainers fault for his myriad of injuries…..it’s everyone’s fault but Evan Engram’s….you guys are a riot. 🤣 They aren't using him to his potential. He has a lot of ability. Not blaming anyone specifically. The Giants haven't used TE's for a long time. He would do better with a team that does.
But my real point is that I'm disappointed to see Giants fans try to villainize players who work hard and do all the right things, on and off the field.
All Evan Engram is guilty of is dropping that pass vs. Philly last year. Now he's the enemy. This is what some Giants fans do. Maybe it's all the losing we've been doing for 10 years. Still doesn't mean that I have to like it.
NY Rangers fans have usually had 1 player they all pile on as well. It get ridiculous. EE has 1 drop this season.
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 30, 2021 15:28:38 GMT -5
I still think he creates interesting red zone issues for the defense if used properly. You dont have to run elaborate routes, you just need the defense caught in the wrong formation, and you get a 5'9" DB who's also 40 lbs lighter covering him. If he improves his hands reliability he should win that 9 out of 10x
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Post by Martin on Oct 30, 2021 15:37:41 GMT -5
I think he set a rookie te record for receptions or something like that. It went all downhill from there They don't know how to use him.
He'd do better with an OC who actually has an imagination.
Maybe if he was able to block they could use him correctly but its much more than that. His weaknesses far out way his positive play. The Giants need 2 complete TE's and he is not one of them.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 30, 2021 16:00:15 GMT -5
He is the 40th ranked TE in the league,has 0 TDs and averaging less than 9 yards per catch with 171 total yards. His career catch percentage is 61. He isn't a redzone threat,doesn't do contested catches, and has hands of stone. Also, the Giants are 100 percent not signing him long turn. Probably having trouble getting a 5th for this dynamic bust....err...TE... You never know. Depends on the last 10 games, if we have a better replacement, and the contract. I know, the Giants have no money for 2022 and he will 100 percent get overpaid in FA. The Giants just got done overpaying for FA this year.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 30, 2021 17:23:42 GMT -5
Trashing our own is what this fanbase does best. It is just funny to me that these same fans villianizing Engram want premium trade value in return for him. Haha … good point It just doesn't make any sense to me. If we don't trade him, the critics better not complain because "he sucks".
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Post by SG88 on Oct 30, 2021 17:27:41 GMT -5
Trashing our own is what this fanbase does best. It is just funny to me that these same fans villianizing Engram want premium trade value in return for him. But then they'll throw a parade when we acquire a total bust like John Ross. But, I'm sure fans of all teams do this. They do. The conduct isn't exclusive to our fanbase. "Let's rip a player's skillset that we should trade or are about to trade." We should be hoping that another team sees Engram in a way brighter light.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 30, 2021 18:08:46 GMT -5
But then they'll throw a parade when we acquire a total bust like John Ross. But, I'm sure fans of all teams do this. They do. The conduct isn't exclusive to our fanbase. "Let's rip a player's skillset that we should trade or are about to trade." We should be hoping that another team sees Engram in a way brighter light. It's a bad 1st round draft pick if the Giants are having trouble to get a middle round pick. Some people take it personally, I on the other hand would like the Giants to get the most out of a disappointing player.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 30, 2021 18:12:02 GMT -5
They do. The conduct isn't exclusive to our fanbase. "Let's rip a player's skillset that we should trade or are about to trade." We should be hoping that another team sees Engram in a way brighter light. It's a bad 1st round draft pick if the Giants are having trouble to get a middle round pick. Some people take it personally, I on the other hand would like the Giants to get the most out of a disappointing player. I agree. When a player doesn't reach their potential in one place, it doesn't mean that they can't reach it elsewhere. I think that EE is good player that just was a bad schematic fit with the Giants.
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Post by jb456 on Oct 30, 2021 18:16:24 GMT -5
It's a bad 1st round draft pick if the Giants are having trouble to get a middle round pick. Some people take it personally, I on the other hand would like the Giants to get the most out of a disappointing player. I agree. When a player doesn't reach their potential in one place, it doesn't mean that they can't reach it elsewhere. I think that EE is good player that just was a bad schematic fit with the Giants. Agree. I hope.the guy can turn it around. We also need a.team to believe in him.
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Post by bluebuddha on Oct 30, 2021 20:54:59 GMT -5
It just doesn't make any sense to me. If we don't trade him, the critics better not complain because "he sucks". It like when the fanbase complains our starting Oline, rbs and wrs suck and causing us to lose games. We need to trade them but we would only get a sack of potatoes and a stick of gum. Yet when they get injured and can't play we lost because they were not available. Some serious split personalities on here. Do they suck or don't they? It's Schrödinger's offense, they suck and don't suck at the same time.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 30, 2021 20:55:38 GMT -5
You're all wrong.
Evan Engram must die.
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 30, 2021 22:05:50 GMT -5
I'll describe him in one word.
Meh...
He has played good at times, but the bad has been pretty bad.
He's not a TE, which is a big part of the problem.
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 31, 2021 0:13:40 GMT -5
I'll describe him in one word. Meh... He has played good at times, but the bad has been pretty bad. He's not a TE, which is a big part of the problem. He’s not a TE…..he’s not a WR…..he’s a matchup nightmare….for the Giants 🤦🏼♂️
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 31, 2021 1:43:19 GMT -5
I'll describe him in one word. Meh... He has played good at times, but the bad has been pretty bad. He's not a TE, which is a big part of the problem. He’s not a TE…..he’s not a WR…..he’s a matchup nightmare….for the Giants 🤦🏼♂️ He ran a faster 40 than obj, but can't block well, can't catch under pressure, and hasn't been a difference maker in 5 years with the Giants. With his physical skills he should be a huge guy in the red zone. He can't reliably do 2 thirds of what a good NFL TE needs to do. I'm not "villianizing" him, but he's either playing the wrong position (my opinion) and/or he just a mediocre NFL player. I'm not as pissed at him as I am the Giants wasting another first round pick.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 31, 2021 11:13:23 GMT -5
I'll describe him in one word. Meh... He has played good at times, but the bad has been pretty bad. He's not a TE, which is a big part of the problem. He’s not a TE…..he’s not a WR…..he’s a matchup nightmare….for the Giants 🤦🏼♂️ Do you remember one of our previous matchup nightmares named Travis Beckum? 😄
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 31, 2021 12:08:13 GMT -5
He’s not a TE…..he’s not a WR…..he’s a matchup nightmare….for the Giants 🤦🏼♂️ Do you remember one of our previous matchup nightmares named Travis Beckum? 😄 Unfortunately yes. 🤣 He had that ONE nice TD against GB in 2011…..speaking of ONE TD…..that’s how many TD’s Engram has over the last two seasons including his PRO BOWL season.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 31, 2021 13:27:26 GMT -5
I'll describe him in one word. Meh... He has played good at times, but the bad has been pretty bad. He's not a TE, which is a big part of the problem. YES, which takes me back to my main gripe in taking him. The context at that moment was that we had a terrible OL. Why would we pick a TE especially one that couldn't help out one of our tackles in the run game. Just a rotten, "smarter than you" pick.
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Post by Martin on Nov 1, 2021 10:57:22 GMT -5
I'll describe him in one word. Meh... He has played good at times, but the bad has been pretty bad. He's not a TE, which is a big part of the problem. YES, which takes me back to my main gripe in taking him. The context at that moment was that we had a terrible OL. Why would we pick a TE especially one that couldn't help out one of our tackles in the run game. Just a rotten, "smarter than you" pick. Exactly! The oline has sucked so why in the world do you pick a WR/TE who cannot block well? Why Why Why???
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 1, 2021 11:05:51 GMT -5
This team hasn't utilized a TE since Shockey was here, since then, all we draft TEs for is to block & catch 2-3 passes a game. If you're a good college TE, NY is the last place you wanna get drafted by. No NFL DC spends too much time game planning for our TEs as they are hardly ever a factor in our games. 22' draft better be all about DL/OL/ & LB which is another position this team has neglected in the draft for yrs now. This team use to be known for drafting some of the best LBers in history, last time we had a pro bowl LBer was what, 13+ yrs ago, longer?
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Post by vinnie on Nov 1, 2021 11:19:58 GMT -5
You're all wrong. Evan Engram must die. Lol, and you asked what is wrong with me? Lol, c’mon now.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 1, 2021 11:28:11 GMT -5
Just saying, he won’t get traded.
Sure you’ll take calls from GMs and keep him out of practices so he doesn’t Barkley his knee or ankle, but DG is fighting for his life.
Getting a 5th for Engram won’t save DG’s job, but 8-9 wins will.
So unless he gets a ridiculous pick for him, he’s not going anywhere.
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Post by Martin on Nov 1, 2021 12:20:08 GMT -5
Just saying, he won’t get traded. Sure you’ll take calls from GMs and keep him out of practices so he doesn’t Barkley his knee or ankle, but DG is fighting for his life. Getting a 5th for Engram won’t save DG’s job, but 8-9 wins will. So unless he gets a ridiculous pick for him, he’s not going anywhere. The whole Engram thing is too late. The biggest question is the decision making for the Giants over the last 10 yrs. Why has it been for the most part terrible? The Giants record over the last 10 yrs speaks for itself. This team is a bottom feeder and when you start looking closely you see different players over 10 yrs and coaching changes, GM changes but not management changes. Einstein mentioned the theory of insanity and it fits the Giants. The old ways are no longer working. Hopefully Mara will start looking in the mirror. If the team keeps on this losing path eventually it may sink in.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 1, 2021 12:29:56 GMT -5
Just saying, he won’t get traded. Sure you’ll take calls from GMs and keep him out of practices so he doesn’t Barkley his knee or ankle, but DG is fighting for his life. Getting a 5th for Engram won’t save DG’s job, but 8-9 wins will. So unless he gets a ridiculous pick for him, he’s not going anywhere. The whole Engram thing is too late. The biggest question is the decision making for the Giants over the last 10 yrs. Why has it been for the most part terrible? The Giants record over the last 10 yrs speaks for itself. This team is a bottom feeder and when you start looking closely you see different players over 10 yrs and coaching changes, GM changes but not management changes. Einstein mentioned the theory of insanity and it fits the Giants. The old ways are no longer working. Hopefully Mara will start looking in the mirror. If the team keeps on this losing path eventually it may sink in. There’s no indication that Mara will see his (and family/close colleagues) involvement as part of the problem. It’s our biggest obstacle to winning. Betcha $5 he gives Gettleman a 1yr deal. Which would be a horrible decision (takes a bad GM and makes sure he STOPS thinking long term).
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Post by Martin on Nov 1, 2021 13:19:50 GMT -5
The whole Engram thing is too late. The biggest question is the decision making for the Giants over the last 10 yrs. Why has it been for the most part terrible? The Giants record over the last 10 yrs speaks for itself. This team is a bottom feeder and when you start looking closely you see different players over 10 yrs and coaching changes, GM changes but not management changes. Einstein mentioned the theory of insanity and it fits the Giants. The old ways are no longer working. Hopefully Mara will start looking in the mirror. If the team keeps on this losing path eventually it may sink in. There’s no indication that Mara will see his (and family/close colleagues) involvement as part of the problem. It’s our biggest obstacle to winning. Betcha $5 he gives Gettleman a 1yr deal. Which would be a horrible decision (takes a bad GM and makes sure he STOPS thinking long term). If I took your bet I would lose my money! The bad decisions will continue..... stay tuned.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 1, 2021 14:53:53 GMT -5
has Engram been off for a week?
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