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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 27, 2021 19:00:31 GMT -5
Engram has legit skills, when he isnt hurt, dropping passes or tipping them up causing interceptions. He cant block either. A 5th would be a steal. Trade him while there is interest otherwise he will get hurt again and not be able to be traded. I don't know Big A, for a 5th rounder I would rather he play for us also. He probably gets let go at end of year. So his money goes back into the cap next year. For a 5th rd pick they are usually not effective players. Now for a 4th to me it's a coin flip if that imo, a 3rd or higher I make the trade. But for a 4th or 5th I'd rather keep him. Last year we were debating how many footballs in a bag he would be worth in a trade. Anything is better than nothing. |
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Post by Roswell on Oct 27, 2021 19:18:27 GMT -5
He’s not Whitten. Somebody please tell Garrett that the patterns he has him running do not take advantage of his skill set.
There are teams that want him so hopefully he can be moved for a 3. If not, then keep him and maybe get a third round comp pick.
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Post by leonperry on Oct 27, 2021 19:40:06 GMT -5
Great.. Now Kaden Smith and his 5 fans can play more snaps. Engram has played well the past few weeks. The Giants know this, and are trying to deal him before opposing teams come to their senses. I could see a 5th round pick and roll of quarters in the deal. That football player is shit and should have been gone a long time ago. How is it some of you are still giving this guy a pass after all we’ve seen? He is not a make or break player. Not a go to guy at all. Damn sure not dependable. I don’t understand some of you guys. you don't understand "you guys" if you don't understand team sports fans in general, and even professional front office ppl to some extent who get sucked into the Engram type of ballplayer guys with great "measurables" in their respective positions always get more chances, with more fans holding out hope for some magic breakout (and I'm as guilty of this as anyone). -the baseball pitcher with the great arm, great stuff, but no command or control or "pitchability" -basketball player who is a phenomenal athlete but never develops his skills, etc etc the type exists in every sport- great on paper, great-looking for a play or two or short sequence here and there... but no clutch in them, no real instincts- be it individually or in a team play context- or specific skills for the sport they play that elevates their play to a winning level over and above the sum of their measurables and individual components of their game. So they don't produce. So they are losing players. Engram is that kind of guy. So is Zo Carter. As someone here said about Zo, he "looks the part", but can't really play. And that sums it up. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 27, 2021 19:51:38 GMT -5
That football player is shit and should have been gone a long time ago. How is it some of you are still giving this guy a pass after all we’ve seen? He is not a make or break player. Not a go to guy at all. Damn sure not dependable. I don’t understand some of you guys. you don't understand "you guys" if you don't understand team sports fans in general, and even professional front office ppl to some extent who get sucked into the Engram type of ballplayer guys with great "measurables" in their respective positions always get more chances, with more fans holding out hope for some magic breakout (and I'm as guilty of this as anyone). -the baseball pitcher with the great arm, great stuff, but no command or control or "pitchability" -basketball player who is a phenomenal athlete but never develops his skills, etc etc the type exists in every sport- great on paper, great-looking for a play or two or short sequence here and there... but no clutch in them, no real instincts- be it individually or in a team play context- or specific skills for the sport they play that elevates their play to a winning level over and above the sum of their measurables and individual components of their game. So they don't produce. So they are losing players. Engram is that kind of guy. So is Zo Carter. As someone here said about Zo, he "looks the part", but can't really play. And that sums it up. Football becomes hard when they can't win on just being athleticly superior at the next level and they can't figure out techniques to improve ad Sometimes these guys become late bloomers,like Lennard Floyd after he was traded But most of the time these guys bounce around the league for most of their careers after their rookie deals run out with teams seeing guys like this as low risk high upside type players |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 27, 2021 20:25:47 GMT -5
That football player is shit and should have been gone a long time ago. How is it some of you are still giving this guy a pass after all we’ve seen? He is not a make or break player. Not a go to guy at all. Damn sure not dependable. I don’t understand some of you guys. you don't understand "you guys" if you don't understand team sports fans in general, and even professional front office ppl to some extent who get sucked into the Engram type of ballplayer guys with great "measurables" in their respective positions always get more chances, with more fans holding out hope for some magic breakout (and I'm as guilty of this as anyone). -the baseball pitcher with the great arm, great stuff, but no command or control or "pitchability" -basketball player who is a phenomenal athlete but never develops his skills, etc etc the type exists in every sport- great on paper, great-looking for a play or two or short sequence here and there... but no clutch in them, no real instincts- be it individually or in a team play context- or specific skills for the sport they play that elevates their play to a winning level over and above the sum of their measurables and individual components of their game. So they don't produce. So they are losing players. Engram is that kind of guy. So is Zo Carter. As someone here said about Zo, he "looks the part", but can't really play. And that sums it up. Jeff George was a perfect example of this as far as QBs go. How many teams gave him a chance over and over because he has a cannon for an arm and could make all the throws. The problem is he didn't have it between the ears. I think it's similar with EE. |
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Post by leonperry on Oct 27, 2021 20:34:57 GMT -5
you don't understand "you guys" if you don't understand team sports fans in general, and even professional front office ppl to some extent who get sucked into the Engram type of ballplayer guys with great "measurables" in their respective positions always get more chances, with more fans holding out hope for some magic breakout (and I'm as guilty of this as anyone). -the baseball pitcher with the great arm, great stuff, but no command or control or "pitchability" -basketball player who is a phenomenal athlete but never develops his skills, etc etc the type exists in every sport- great on paper, great-looking for a play or two or short sequence here and there... but no clutch in them, no real instincts- be it individually or in a team play context- or specific skills for the sport they play that elevates their play to a winning level over and above the sum of their measurables and individual components of their game. So they don't produce. So they are losing players. Engram is that kind of guy. So is Zo Carter. As someone here said about Zo, he "looks the part", but can't really play. And that sums it up. Jeff George was a perfect example of this as far as QBs go. How many teams gave him a chance over and over because he has a cannon for an arm and could make all the throws. The problem is he didn't have it between the ears. I think it's similar with EE. George popped into my head as an example, actually. Still remember him with that weird deliver slinging the ball into oblivion. Think he did end up having a pretty good year or two, though just nowhere near what the hype predicted |
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 27, 2021 20:36:00 GMT -5
I absolutely love Engram as a person and teammate. He is always there defending his teammates, saying the right things, busting him hump. He has obviously improved and has the lowest drop % of his career this year. However he is not being re-signed and really adds nothing to this team right now. With every skill position player hurt last week he managed 44 yards. I don't think it's completely his fault, Garrett uses him like he used 50 year old Whitten. He simply adds nothing to our team now.
I wish him luck though. Solid dude, great character. Trade him to the AFC please.
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 27, 2021 20:42:32 GMT -5
you don't understand "you guys" if you don't understand team sports fans in general, and even professional front office ppl to some extent who get sucked into the Engram type of ballplayer guys with great "measurables" in their respective positions always get more chances, with more fans holding out hope for some magic breakout (and I'm as guilty of this as anyone). -the baseball pitcher with the great arm, great stuff, but no command or control or "pitchability" -basketball player who is a phenomenal athlete but never develops his skills, etc etc the type exists in every sport- great on paper, great-looking for a play or two or short sequence here and there... but no clutch in them, no real instincts- be it individually or in a team play context- or specific skills for the sport they play that elevates their play to a winning level over and above the sum of their measurables and individual components of their game. So they don't produce. So they are losing players. Engram is that kind of guy. So is Zo Carter. As someone here said about Zo, he "looks the part", but can't really play. And that sums it up. Jeff George was a perfect example of this as far as QBs go. How many teams gave him a chance over and over because he has a cannon for an arm and could make all the throws. The problem is he didn't have it between the ears. I think it's similar with EE. EE doesn't seem dopey like George. And engram doesn't stand out for his physical abilities like George did with his arm strength. Against EE seems very fast for the TE position (.2 faster than Kelce at the combine), however kelce is 2" taller and ,20 lbs heavier. Gronk is even is bigger. EE just can't plant and hold his ground like these guys. And although he has wideout speed hes too big and doesn't run routes good enough to fit that role either. |
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Post by bigblueones on Oct 27, 2021 20:43:23 GMT -5
I wanted him gone a long time ago. Not because he doesn't have a skill set but because I don't think we use him well and he is erratic at best. To be honest, some of this comes from coaching. He may light it up elsewhere. I wish him well but would like to see him gone, his drops and injuries are getting old to be honest.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 27, 2021 22:11:44 GMT -5
Jeff George was a perfect example of this as far as QBs go. How many teams gave him a chance over and over because he has a cannon for an arm and could make all the throws. The problem is he didn't have it between the ears. I think it's similar with EE. EE doesn't seem dopey like George. And engram doesn't stand out for his physical abilities like George did with his arm strength. Against EE seems very fast for the TE position (.2 faster than Kelce at the combine), however kelce is 2" taller and ,20 lbs heavier. Gronk is even is bigger. EE just can't plant and hold his ground like these guys. And although he has wideout speed hes too big and doesn't run routes good enough to fit that role either. He's not physical enough and not a good enough blocker for a true tight end, and not a great route runner and has poor hands for a receiver. So where does that put him? Sort of what he has been his whole career. More hype than performance overall |
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Post by leonperry on Oct 27, 2021 22:15:18 GMT -5
you don't understand "you guys" if you don't understand team sports fans in general, and even professional front office ppl to some extent who get sucked into the Engram type of ballplayer guys with great "measurables" in their respective positions always get more chances, with more fans holding out hope for some magic breakout (and I'm as guilty of this as anyone). -the baseball pitcher with the great arm, great stuff, but no command or control or "pitchability" -basketball player who is a phenomenal athlete but never develops his skills, etc etc the type exists in every sport- great on paper, great-looking for a play or two or short sequence here and there... but no clutch in them, no real instincts- be it individually or in a team play context- or specific skills for the sport they play that elevates their play to a winning level over and above the sum of their measurables and individual components of their game. So they don't produce. So they are losing players. Engram is that kind of guy. So is Zo Carter. As someone here said about Zo, he "looks the part", but can't really play. And that sums it up. Well put. One of the most vocal and self-aggrandizing posters here claimed Engram could be the next Vernon Davis and is a better blocker than Njoku. Goes to show you what reading "on paper" things can do to you. hey, also throw in those vids where they showed Engram's combine 40 run superimposed next to Jordan Reed running the 40, and since he was clearly faster I guess that meant he would be better than Reed. Not quite. but he did turn out better than "the JPP of tight ends", Adrien Robinson... so there's that |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 27, 2021 22:17:28 GMT -5
Well put. One of the most vocal and self-aggrandizing posters here claimed Engram could be the next Vernon Davis and is a better blocker than Njoku. Goes to show you what reading "on paper" things can do to you. hey, also throw in those vids where they showed Engram's combine 40 run superimposed next to Jordan Reed running the 40, and since he was clearly faster I guess that meant he would be better than Reed. Not quite. but he did turn out better than "the JPP of tight ends", Adrien Robinson... so there's that How many games did Robinson actually play I'm being serious |
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Post by giantsalmon on Oct 28, 2021 7:24:47 GMT -5
hey, also throw in those vids where they showed Engram's combine 40 run superimposed next to Jordan Reed running the 40, and since he was clearly faster I guess that meant he would be better than Reed. Not quite. but he did turn out better than "the JPP of tight ends", Adrien Robinson... so there's that How many games did Robinson actually play I'm being serious I do remember him scoring ONE TD. |
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Post by giantsalmon on Oct 28, 2021 7:27:24 GMT -5
I feel this trade will happen. I sure hope Kaden Smith gets more playing time. He's definitely the better blocker and is sure handed. He had some nice moments under Shurmur.
I don't know what to expect from Rudolph. He has the rep as excellent hands but may not have much left. We will see.
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Post by leonperry on Oct 28, 2021 7:42:40 GMT -5
hey, also throw in those vids where they showed Engram's combine 40 run superimposed next to Jordan Reed running the 40, and since he was clearly faster I guess that meant he would be better than Reed. Not quite. but he did turn out better than "the JPP of tight ends", Adrien Robinson... so there's that How many games did Robinson actually play I'm being serious I think he played more games than you'd think, given his invisibility on the field... I believe he stuck around till the last yr of his rookie contract, but might be wrong on that... seems unreal if that were true. God Bless Jerry Reese, he didn't give up on his guys... |
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 28, 2021 7:55:58 GMT -5
Bottom line is he's not a good football player.....at all.....he's actually really really bad. Again please let somebody be stupid enough to give the Giants a 2045 7th Rounder.....he's not worth anything in my opinion.
When you start saying "well he has the lowest drop % of his career"....for a guy that drops everything that's still not good......when you say "well he's fast for a Tight End"....that's great but he can't run a route to save his life or get separation......when you say "he can't block but he shouldn't have to".....those are all excuses for a shitty TE especially a first rounder. The guy bloooooooows.
"Weeeeellllll he's played okay since not playing the first two games then coming in for the 3rd and dropping two critical balls plus a fumble inside the redzone......OTHER than that he's been pretty good."
****ing comical that's the shit actually being posted in this thread....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 28, 2021 8:02:14 GMT -5
Engram dropped 10.1% of his passes in 2020, ranking him #1 in drops in the entire NFL for players with at least 74 targets (the 77 top receivers). |
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 28, 2021 8:19:55 GMT -5
Engram dropped 10.1% of his passes in 2020, ranking him #1 in drops in the entire NFL for players with at least 74 targets (the 77 top receivers). The drops are one thing. The turnovers are the real killers. |
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 28, 2021 8:32:11 GMT -5
Engram dropped 10.1% of his passes in 2020, ranking him #1 in drops in the entire NFL for players with at least 74 targets (the 77 top receivers). The drops are one thing. The turnovers are the real killers. The drops, the turnovers, the bad routes, the no separation, the bad blocking.......honest question.....it sounds like I'm being sarcastic but I'm really not. Is there anything that Evan Engram does well? |
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Oct 28, 2021 8:48:17 GMT -5
The drops are one thing. The turnovers are the real killers. The drops, the turnovers, the bad routes, the no separation, the bad blocking.......honest question.....it sounds like I'm being sarcastic but I'm really not. Is there anything that Evan Engram does well?I heard he can make a well done steak......he just drops it on the grill..... |
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Post by jb456 on Oct 28, 2021 9:02:12 GMT -5
The drops are one thing. The turnovers are the real killers. The drops, the turnovers, the bad routes, the no separation, the bad blocking.......honest question.....it sounds like I'm being sarcastic but I'm really not. Is there anything that Evan Engram does well?No, he doesn't and the posters that wouldn't take a 5th for him are out of there minds. Sure, I would like a 1st, to 4th round pick for the guy but the Giants are probably having a hard time getting a 5th. I wouldn't take anything less than a 5th rounder for the guy though. The Giants will get at least a 5th round comp pick for the guy since they have $0.00 to spend in the next free agency. There were reports of multiple teams interested so DG should at least be able to get a 5th... |
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Post by jimmieray on Oct 28, 2021 9:10:54 GMT -5
Engram dropped 10.1% of his passes in 2020, ranking him #1 in drops in the entire NFL for players with at least 74 targets (the 77 top receivers). On top of that, I don't feel that a TE can be compared to a WR, in terms of catch difficulty. The passes are typically shorter, they're not usually running full speed or backs to the QB for an extended time. In many cases, if they are mostly handling blocking duties, they are not always accounted for with coverage like a WR must always be. |
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 28, 2021 9:11:21 GMT -5
too many times teams take a chance on a player simply because he's a good athlete but that doesn't always translate into being a good football player...
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Post by nyg2 on Oct 28, 2021 9:16:03 GMT -5
The drops are one thing. The turnovers are the real killers. The drops, the turnovers, the bad routes, the no separation, the bad blocking.......honest question.....it sounds like I'm being sarcastic but I'm really not. Is there anything that Evan Engram does well?His drops are contagious. Look what he did to Carolina's receivers. Have him shake hands with the opposing team's receivers before the start of each game. |
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Post by leonperry on Oct 28, 2021 9:16:18 GMT -5
Engram dropped 10.1% of his passes in 2020, ranking him #1 in drops in the entire NFL for players with at least 74 targets (the 77 top receivers). The drops are one thing. The turnovers are the real killers. you know, i was trying to think of a pro athlete that i can remember who seems to make more mistakes than him at the absolute worse time to kill games and I came up empty. |
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Post by ratbastich on Oct 28, 2021 9:21:02 GMT -5
The drops are one thing. The turnovers are the real killers. you know, i was trying to think of a pro athlete that i can remember who seems to make more mistakes than him at the absolute worse time to kill games and I came up empty. Trey Junkin |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 28, 2021 9:26:17 GMT -5
you know, i was trying to think of a pro athlete that i can remember who seems to make more mistakes than him at the absolute worse time to kill games and I came up empty. Trey Junkin That was just one mistake though. He was a great snapper 99% of the time. I would think Luke Petigout? He got false starts and holds at very inopportune times. |
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Post by ratbastich on Oct 28, 2021 9:47:35 GMT -5
That was just one mistake though. He was a great snapper 99% of the time. I would think Luke Petigout? He got false starts and holds at very inopportune times. Not to beat up on this guy, but Flowers seemed to get holds and false starts at the worst of times too. He would kill any momentum the team was gaining by getting penalized. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 28, 2021 10:49:30 GMT -5
I feel this trade will happen. I sure hope Kaden Smith gets more playing time. He's definitely the better blocker and is sure handed. He had some nice moments under Shurmur. I don't know what to expect from Rudolph. He has the rep as excellent hands but may not have much left. We will see. I don't think Rudy has very much left at all. He could help in blocking but I fear he won't hold up for remainder of the season. I do think he can be effective around the goal line. Smith I don't see any advantage in playing him over EE at all. EE imo is our best option at TE by a wide margin. |
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Post by Jomo on Oct 28, 2021 10:51:09 GMT -5
That was just one mistake though. He was a great snapper 99% of the time. I would think Luke Petigout? He got false starts and holds at very inopportune times. Not to beat up on this guy, but Flowers seemed to get holds and false starts at the worst of times too. He would kill any momentum the team was gaining by getting penalized. Our head of pro player personnel and charter member of the lucky gene club, has a keen eye for that type of player. |
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