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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 16:00:12 GMT -5
As rookies thats all we have to go by and Jones was just a better QB period at that time, Agree Smith doesn't need to tell intelligent fans what they already know, now some of us fans probably can teach him quite a bit about football in general. My 11 year old daughter who has zero interest in football knows just as much as Smith. Some Giants fans just need to wake up. This franchise has lost its luster and are bottom feeders like the Jets and Lions, who both have better records than the Giants in the last several years. What's sad about it is that it includes the Lions 0-8-1 start this year. I'm beyond my breaking point as a lifelong fan of the team SG I got Lambbasted on the old board because I said in 2014 and 2015 over and over we were the new Cleveland Browns. and lo and behold it is true saw it coming back in 2010 and 2011 even with the Super Bowl we had 0 in the pipeline and that team was old they squeezed the last little bit of juice out of it.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 24, 2021 16:00:35 GMT -5
Trading Beckham was a great move. Giants fans as far as I know have always been considered some of the most knowledgably football fans around and "classiest" and that came from John Maddon. SAS is talking about stuff he knows nothing about . When he has to add in with the ODB trade he has lost his credibility . I don't care about him mentioning OBJ. I think the point that he was trying to make is that teams don't typically trade star players in their prime. What Smith failed to mention is that Beckham was our only trade chip and we were trying to rebuild. Unfortunately for us, the Giants ****ed that up royally. In hindsight, I would call that trade a push since Beckham flamed out in Cleveland and we got a below average safety in Peppers and a future backup DT in Lawrence.
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Post by mendy on Nov 24, 2021 16:00:49 GMT -5
Trust me man, the Giants are getting clowned on nationally. Even some of the biggest homers I know are just tired of the bullshit with this franchise. I'm hoping that more criticism starts getting thrown at Trust Fund John and Fredo. Trust fund and Fredo need all the heat at the moment because everything else is ancillary until that is fixed I understand the frustration but the Owners of the Giants are 100 times better then Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 24, 2021 16:02:57 GMT -5
I could give a **** who said it but someone had to start going off on our sacred cows nationally..... All "revolutions" (OK that is a bit extreme but you get my point)have to start somewhere ... Let's see if this spreads from hot take shows to more mainstream sports talk shows That won't work and it's never done. It wasn't done in Buffalo, or Cleveland or with the Jets and since the Giants have been to 5 Super Bowls in the last 35 years winning four they (the Owners) carry a little clout) .Look fans aren't happy but if fans honestly think they like losing then maybe the fans have the problem. I don't think that they like losing either, but they don't care about it as much as we do. They're in it to make money first and foremost. Their bottom line remains unaffected by what is going on, so they're not going to be in any hurry to change their ways.
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Post by mendy on Nov 24, 2021 16:03:19 GMT -5
Giants fans as far as I know have always been considered some of the most knowledgably football fans around and "classiest" and that came from John Maddon. SAS is talking about stuff he knows nothing about . When he has to add in with the ODB trade he has lost his credibility . I don't care about him mentioning OBJ. I think the point that he was trying to make is that teams don't typically trade star players in their prime. What Smith failed to mention is that Beckham was our only trade chip and we were trying to rebuild. Unfortunately for us, the Giants ****ed that up royally. In hindsight, I would call that trade a push since Beckham flamed out in Cleveland and we got a below average safety in Peppers and a future backup DT in Lawrence. Considering Beckham's productivity in Cleveland the Giants /DG made a great deal. People forget Odell didn't want to be here .
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Post by mendy on Nov 24, 2021 16:04:54 GMT -5
That won't work and it's never done. It wasn't done in Buffalo, or Cleveland or with the Jets and since the Giants have been to 5 Super Bowls in the last 35 years winning four they (the Owners) carry a little clout) .Look fans aren't happy but if fans honestly think they like losing then maybe the fans have the problem. I don't think that they like losing either, but they don't care about it as much as we do. They're in it to make money first and foremost.. That's not true ,I know there is frustration but that's ridiculous .
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Post by SG88 on Nov 24, 2021 16:05:36 GMT -5
I don't care about him mentioning OBJ. I think the point that he was trying to make is that teams don't typically trade star players in their prime. What Smith failed to mention is that Beckham was our only trade chip and we were trying to rebuild. Unfortunately for us, the Giants ****ed that up royally. In hindsight, I would call that trade a push since Beckham flamed out in Cleveland and we got a below average safety in Peppers and a future backup DT in Lawrence. Considering Beckham's productivity in Cleveland the Giants /DG made a great deal. People forget Odell didn't want to be here . The deal itself was fine (getting a first round pick). The problem is that we didn't do much if anything with what we got in return.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2021 16:06:12 GMT -5
Giants fans as far as I know have always been considered some of the most knowledgably football fans around and "classiest" and that came from John Maddon. SAS is talking about stuff he knows nothing about . When he has to add in with the ODB trade he has lost his credibility . I don't care about him mentioning OBJ. I think the point that he was trying to make is that teams don't typically trade star players in their prime. What Smith failed to mention is that Beckham was our only trade chip and we were trying to rebuild. Unfortunately for us, the Giants ****ed that up royally. In hindsight, I would call that trade a push since Beckham flamed out in Cleveland and we got a below average safety in Peppers and a future backup DT in Lawrence. And more importantly we waited till this year to actually replace his production and had to pay 72 million for a guy not as good as someone they could have drafted in the 2nd round in 2019 and use a 1st this year (and some fans still think we shouldn't have committed any resources twards this because they themselves live in tbe last while putting on a front we are trapped in the past ) The entire rebuild was as bad as I've ever seen
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2021 16:07:12 GMT -5
That won't work and it's never done. It wasn't done in Buffalo, or Cleveland or with the Jets and since the Giants have been to 5 Super Bowls in the last 35 years winning four they (the Owners) carry a little clout) .Look fans aren't happy but if fans honestly think they like losing then maybe the fans have the problem. I don't think that they like losing either, but they don't care about it as much as we do. They're in it to make money first and foremost. Their bottom line remains unaffected by what is going on, so they're not going to be in any hurry to change their ways. Publicly embarrassing them at every event in the NY tri state area would send a message **** being classy
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Post by SG88 on Nov 24, 2021 16:08:53 GMT -5
I don't think that they like losing either, but they don't care about it as much as we do. They're in it to make money first and foremost.. That's not true ,I know there is frustration but that's ridiculous . I think that you need to think more about how businesses work. I think we need to realize that these owners prioritize money over everything else. I didn't say that they don't care about winning and losing. I'm just saying that it isn't their priority. Winning is a bonus to them, not a priority. Feel free to disagree. We're all family here
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Post by mendy on Nov 24, 2021 16:17:21 GMT -5
I don't think that they like losing either, but they don't care about it as much as we do. They're in it to make money first and foremost. Their bottom line remains unaffected by what is going on, so they're not going to be in any hurry to change their ways. Publicly embarrassing them at every event in the NY tri state area would send a message **** being classy Then people call you Eagle fans.
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Post by mendy on Nov 24, 2021 16:20:24 GMT -5
That's not true ,I know there is frustration but that's ridiculous . I think that you need to think more about how businesses work. I think we need to realize that these owners prioritize money over everything else. I didn't say that they don't care about winning and losing. I'm just saying that it isn't their priority. Winning is a bonus to them, not a priority. Feel free to disagree. We're all family here I know exactly how business's work ,I don't think you understand how ownership of the Giants works ..For one thing they would make more money if they were winning specially in the NY area so to assume they don't care about winning is ridiculous.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 24, 2021 16:22:49 GMT -5
this subject has been discussed until it bleeds and has been ongoing for years now, what the hell is taking so long to fix this team to at least be competitive, I just don't get it, I know we all have our own ideas but there has to be something obvious that every one is missing....
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 24, 2021 16:28:34 GMT -5
That's not true ,I know there is frustration but that's ridiculous . I think that you need to think more about how businesses work. I think we need to realize that these owners prioritize money over everything else. I didn't say that they don't care about winning and losing. I'm just saying that it isn't their priority. Winning is a bonus to them, not a priority. Feel free to disagree. We're all family here just look at the amount of commercial time outs in a game compared to what it used to be and that will tell you whats really important to the owners..
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Post by SG88 on Nov 24, 2021 16:29:27 GMT -5
I think that you need to think more about how businesses work. I think we need to realize that these owners prioritize money over everything else. I didn't say that they don't care about winning and losing. I'm just saying that it isn't their priority. Winning is a bonus to them, not a priority. Feel free to disagree. We're all family here I know exactly how business's work ,I don't think you understand how ownership of the Giants works ..For one thing they would make more money if they were winning specially in the NY area so to assume they don't care about winning is ridiculous. I didn't say that they don't care. I just said that it isn't their priority. The Giants have stunk for a decade yet they're still the 4th most valuable team in the NFL. Losing has had ZERO effect on their bottom line.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 24, 2021 16:55:45 GMT -5
didn’t Smith want Dwayne Haskins? Killed the Giants for not taking him? OBJ? He’s done nothing since leaving NY and had done nothing for a while in NY. He went on ESPN and threw his QB under the bus Imo, he should have mentioned the drafts, the OL, losing the pass rush, etc. aND hell how much better has Jones looked overall than Haskins. I don't feel like putting up the numbers but and Jones has played more but if someone does I'd like to compare their numbers. sure Haskins has done some dumb shit sure, but talent to talent and who we shoud've drafted, both of them SUCK!!! Daniel Jones has looked leaps and bounds better than Dwayne Haskins. Dwayne Haskins is a 3rd string QB in Pittsburgh right now and couldn't push Mason Rudolph for playing time.
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Post by imgrate on Nov 24, 2021 18:05:41 GMT -5
I could give a **** who said it but someone had to start going off on our sacred cows nationally..... All "revolutions" (OK that is a bit extreme but you get my point)have to start somewhere ... Let's see if this spreads from hot take shows to more mainstream sports talk shows Man, if its a revolution that is needed, then fredo isn't a good nickname, only took him a boat ride in the lake out back...
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Post by te88 on Nov 24, 2021 18:21:31 GMT -5
Considering Beckham's productivity in Cleveland the Giants /DG made a great deal. People forget Odell didn't want to be here . The deal itself was fine (getting a first round pick). The problem is that we didn't do much if anything with what we got in return. The Giants also ate a huge amount of dead money in that deal. And they didn’t retain Zeitler…..despite needing him. That trade has turned out to be a lose - lose - lose in my book. Out of Beckham, the Giants and Cleveland, nobody came out ahead
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 24, 2021 18:36:38 GMT -5
Truth hurts.. Everyone is focusing on the Beckham comments. However, they missed the point. We have yet to replace Odell on the field.. And spare me Kenny GoAway. He has been nonexistent all year. He was our last great player, yeah Barkley had his rookie season, and Williams balled last year. But, none of them were at Beckham’s status when he was rolling. But, this isn’t about Beckham. It’s about the sad state of the Giants. The franchise that has won four super bowls in 35 years. The organization, that was revered amongst the league. “Once a Giant, always a Giant.” Or doing it the “Giants way.” Both phrases went with the times just like the pay phone. We may not be Lions bad, or hold a candle to the Jets history of losing. But, a decade of medical waste that was supposed to be entertainment, is unacceptable.
Stephen A. Smith is an attention whore, who doesn’t know his balls from his ass. However, everything he said is right about this franchise.
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Post by mendy on Nov 24, 2021 18:45:48 GMT -5
I know exactly how business's work ,I don't think you understand how ownership of the Giants works ..For one thing they would make more money if they were winning specially in the NY area so to assume they don't care about winning is ridiculous. I didn't say that they don't care. I just said that it isn't their priority. The Giants have stunk for a decade yet they're still the 4th most valuable team in the NFL. Losing has had ZERO affect on their bottom line. Not true.
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Post by mendy on Nov 24, 2021 18:48:03 GMT -5
this subject has been discussed until it bleeds and has been ongoing for years now, what the hell is taking so long to fix this team to at least be competitive, I just don't get it, I know we all have our own ideas but there has to something obvious that evrey one is missing.... It tool almost 15 years the last time around. I'm thankful there was no internet back then.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 19:51:14 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about Smith, but this franchise is a public laughing stock. I listened to Mad Dog Sports radio on my way into work and on my way home yesterday. Both of shows agreed that this franchise is a dumpster fire that is living in the past. Cap hell, a shitty overall roster, a horrible front office, suspect coaching, and a back up QB masquerading as a starter? Yeah, we suck on every level imaginable. The people buying into this garbage only have hopes and dreams to cling onto. is that Chris Russo? Man I loved listening to him and Mike go at it lol and they/he damn sure were right on what you heard today smdh
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Post by SG88 on Nov 24, 2021 19:55:14 GMT -5
I didn't say that they don't care. I just said that it isn't their priority. The Giants have stunk for a decade yet they're still the 4th most valuable team in the NFL. Losing has had ZERO affect on their bottom line. Not true. Lol, ok. Prove me wrong. You don't have anything. I'm not just making this shit up, friend.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 19:55:22 GMT -5
aND hell how much better has Jones looked overall than Haskins. I don't feel like putting up the numbers but and Jones has played more but if someone does I'd like to compare their numbers. sure Haskins has done some dumb shit sure, but talent to talent and who we shoud've drafted, both of them SUCK!!! Theyre both not starting caliber quarterbacks. If a person's bragging about a QB being better than Dwayne ****ing Haskins, that isn't bragging about much at all. Smith was spitting a lot of truth in that video even though I think he is a loudmouth hack. Discrediting him isn't going to change the fact that this team is a ****ing mess from ownership down to the water boys. Met Life stadium looks like a toilet bowl and has two of the biggest turds (Jets and Giants) floating around in it. Oh, the irony. A freakin men my brother. It's one thing to not necessarily like or listen to someone but it's not like just because of that and those things that they are incorrect or off base on what they are saying. He laid out since Getty got here and starting with the OBJ thing and so folks not reading into what I said or watched the video and then commented, in my opinion they are monday morning qb'ing the situation. Truth is Getty has made some good moves and some ****ed up ones and much more ****ed up ones than good and that has us in the , in more pile of shit than we were when his azzz got here!!!
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 19:56:54 GMT -5
I could give a **** who said it but someone had to start going off on our sacred cows nationally..... All "revolutions" (OK that is a bit extreme but you get my point)have to start somewhere ... Let's see if this spreads from hot take shows to more mainstream sports talk shows say it a lil louder for those deaf ear folks in the back lol lol LMMFAO and yes fingers crossed my brother that this shit spreads like the California wildfires!!
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 20:00:16 GMT -5
Stephen's main argument against the Giants was defending Odell Beckham. ...haha, he has to be kidding me saying that after the Brown's fiasco. Bullshit I guess you did not watch the video. He/they have been talking about the mess the state of the freaking mess the NYG are in and have been in quite some damn time now!!
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 20:02:39 GMT -5
Stephen's main argument against the Giants was defending Odell Beckham. ...haha, he has to be kidding me saying that after the Brown's fiasco. Well ... lol ikr, like he put his dad up to that or what caused them to make a move to trade him. Heck for all the Cleveland has, look how they struggled sunday vs the Lions sunday and guess who was not there lol, Odell...
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 20:03:51 GMT -5
To put into perspective how bad we've been as a team, the last time the Giants had a 500 record was 2016, we have not even been 2-2, 4-4, 5-5, etc since 2016! Our starting records in Sept/Oct from 17'-21' have been: 1-6 1-7 2-6 1-6 2-5 7-30 ! We've been outta playoff contention by Halloween for 5 straight yrs! cryin mofo shame smdh
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 20:05:42 GMT -5
Trading Beckham was a great move. Giants fans as far as I know have always been considered some of the most knowledgably football fans around and "classiest" and that came from John Maddon. SAS is talking about stuff he knows nothing about . When he has to add in with the ODB trade he has lost his credibility . I guess no one who is saying the exact same things and echoing the same things don't know what they are talking about either huh? Listen to the video , better yet check all of the video clips of first take today
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 24, 2021 20:10:00 GMT -5
I don't care about him mentioning OBJ. I think the point that he was trying to make is that teams don't typically trade star players in their prime. What Smith failed to mention is that Beckham was our only trade chip and we were trying to rebuild. Unfortunately for us, the Giants ****ed that up royally. In hindsight, I would call that trade a push since Beckham flamed out in Cleveland and we got a below average safety in Peppers and a future backup DT in Lawrence. Considering Beckham's productivity in Cleveland the Giants /DG made a great deal. People forget Odell didn't want to be here . because we were garbage
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