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Post by bigbluebandit on Nov 26, 2021 1:06:48 GMT -5
If you don't want to listen to the whole video it starts @ 5 min mark in which he talks about Gettleman's first move, the OBJ thing, ect. As much as some of us love OBJ or hate him, that move was the start of the question marks for Gettleman and he has definitely ran his course. About how back with the George Youngs, the Accorsi's, the Welington Mara's, how the Giants weren't concerned about alot of the back page stuff and PR moves/stunts ect we wanted to win football games. Oh man you musht hear it on how he rag dolled our upper management and ownership. A must listen to... Shannon Sharpe on undisputed talked about the Mara's and Tisch's and said he respects them but he wouldn't be surprised if they stay the course up top, if we don't win another game in the next 11-14 years!!! This is insane, while his points may be accurate he is SO OUT OF TOUCH with tons of stuff. Trading OBJ when he said he wish he signed with LA and that ELI was meh... you don't want that guy around ever. On top of that OBJ has been absolute TRASH getting outperformed by slayton most of the time who has been trash in his own right. Kind of like when he tried to talk about MMA and said a guy 'Just Didn't Show Up' I think it was Cowboy Cerrone. The guy is a troll who says divisive things with very little context or fact. The average person hears it and nods without knowing how wrong he is. He is one of the Giants didn't draft Haskins so they are dumb. If you watch Haskins film from college he was SUPER inaccurate. Like I couldn't believe he was going to be a first round pick.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 12:48:08 GMT -5
lol yup the more folks will talk about it maybe just maybe Mara and Tisch will get the Freakin hint!!!!!!!! they know they suck at it but they are the owners and especially for Mara thats a family legacy going back to his Grandfather, Great Uncles, and Uncles. Tough to give that up. true but the thing is man I'm sure they have got to be smart enough to know how to self critique. It's something that everyone in this world has the ability to do and that's what's needed in everyone's lives periodically. They have to know and figure out a way to get past all of the Bullshit that's going on one way or another. Sure they might not want to give up owning the team and having full say over everything but damn, at some point if yo azzz need help, you just do lol. They need to discover that shit sooooner than later mannnnn!!
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 12:55:34 GMT -5
Yes , you are. Losing for the Giants effects what they can charge(rates) and who will advertise with them .Do you really believe a team that are losers can charge the same rates as a Super Bowl Winner? Do think the players get the same money for personal appearances as if they were Super Bowl winners, do you think they would be in the same demand ,negative press effects their bottom line . So now it seems to be your turn to show proof that you know the owners only care about money, as you say "prove me wrong", you can't , you are making it up out of frustration . Nothing but speculation and zero evidence. Ask the people who continue buying this stuff how much the prices have gone down. The prices have actually continued to increase every year, just like the rest of the league. They're also having to increase prices to compensate for the losses attained dueing the Covid ravaged season. It's OK. I'm sticking to my guns because despite being a dumpster fire, they still continue being a very highly value franchise. Come on, you could have even Googled something as a rebuttal. You're simply guessing because you have no evidence to contradict my fact that their bottom line remains unaffected by their losing. well said and furthermore, Stevie Wonder can see this is a greedy ass world and people are greedy AF. They don't care who it affects as long as they are getting your dollar. And yes ask the buffoons who continue to get suckered into buying a shitty product. I mean it's your perrogative, do what you want with your money but when you continue to then don't complain about the owners and how much there is a major disparity from entertainers/owners and such making billions and then you got soldiers (vets like myself) who might not make a million in their lifetime. Well I will say I might because I have been smart with things since a very young age. But the thing is yeah prices on everything continue to rise no matter how bad things are and it's crazy. I'm glad my mindset on the whole thing has drastically changed to the point on I don't give a damn about buying a jersey anymore and haven't so in years. Espcially when players move around at a much greater rate you'd be sporting someone who might have left and betrayed the team , ect ect so for me it really doesn't make sense. I might get an old school jersey of someone of value but defitely not likely someone current. I mean who has earned that right for us to get their jersey and really who has gotten a second contract from us recently lol? It hasn't been many that's for sure.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 12:58:41 GMT -5
Nothing but speculation and zero evidence. Ask the people who continue buying this stuff how much the prices have gone down. The prices have actually continued to increase every year, just like the rest of the league. They're also having to increase prices to compensate for the losses attained dueing the Covid ravaged season. It's OK. I'm sticking to my guns because despite being a dumpster fire, they still continue being a very highly value franchise. Come on, you could have even Googled something as a rebuttal. You're simply guessing because you have no evidence to contradict my fact that their bottom line remains unaffected by their losing. well said and furthermore, Stevie Wonder can see this is a greedy ass world and people are greedy AF. They don't care who it affects as long as they are getting your dollar. And yes ask the buffoons who continue to get suckered into buying a shitty product. I mean it's your perrogative, do what you want with your money but when you continue to then don't complain about the owners and how much there is a major disparity from entertainers/owners and such making billions and then you got soldiers (vets like myself) who might not make a million in their lifetime. Well I will say I might because I have been smart with things since a very young age. But the thing is yeah prices on everything continue to rise no matter how bad things are and it's crazy. I'm glad my mindset on the whole thing has drastically changed to the point on I don't give a damn about buying a jersey anymore and haven't so in years. Espcially when players move around at a much greater rate you'd be sporting someone who might have left and betrayed the team , ect ect so for me it really doesn't make sense. I might get an old school jersey of someone of value but defitely not likely someone current. I mean who has earned that right for us to get their jersey and really who has gotten a second contract from us recently lol? It hasn't been many that's for sure. Last jersey I bought was an Eli away in 2005 when they went to the red numbers... Never again Even QB jerseys are a risk with how much of a bust/I'm sick of looking at you rate they have
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 13:00:52 GMT -5
On morning TV today they said Aaron Rodgers drops from the 2nd highest rated QB to the 29th rated QB when he is rushed. That is the difference an oline makes. We will not become a real team until we have a real oline. Our oline is the worst I have seen. Watch the Cowgirls oline today. Besides their indivudal play they also play as a unit with all sorts of combinations. Our unit is always so predictable. Improve the oline and the dline to some of the best and this team will look totally different. Tampa rushed 3 and got to our QB. We rushed 4-5 and Brady could have had a tea party while standing around. they looked better Turkey day probbably cause T smith was back, well the few plays I did see anyway and I guess Dak had more time to throw given they did score a good bit. But they still have only 64 rush yds against a shitty D on 19 carries too. So not sure how good they are anymore but I will admit I'd take them over our shit pile any damn day!!
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 13:02:32 GMT -5
Please reread my post's I have never once argued the value of the franchise, that is not the dispute. Your claim is that the Ownership is more concerned about money than winning .I have said that's not true ,you still have not provide proof to validate your statement. It is a business and they are businessmen. The PRIMARY purpose of a business is to maximize profits for its owners or stockholders. Everything else after that is secondary. My proof is that they are owners of a legitimate business . I'm done discussing this with you. If you respond again, I am going to let you have the last word. Have at it. lol
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 13:05:47 GMT -5
On morning TV today they said Aaron Rodgers drops from the 2nd highest rated QB to the 29th rated QB when he is rushed. That is the difference an oline makes. We will not become a real team until we have a real oline. Our oline is the worst I have seen. Watch the Cowgirls oline today. Besides their indivudal play they also play as a unit with all sorts of combinations. Our unit is always so predictable. Improve the oline and the dline to some of the best and this team will look totally different. Tampa rushed 3 and got to our QB. We rushed 4-5 and Brady could have had a tea party while standing around. they looked better Turkey day probbably cause T smith was back, well the few plays I did see anyway and I guess Dak had more time to throw given they did score a good bit. But they still have only 64 rush yds against a shitty D on 19 carries too. So not sure how good they are anymore but I will admit I'd take them over our shit pile any damn day!! They are 4 deep at WR that would be considered starting 1000 yard guys as well (Wilson I thought was good enough where Lamb was a horrific luxury pick...thankfully they took him instead of McKinney)..a team like the Titans would love to have Wilson and Gallup ,as would the Saints ) But yeah...I'm looking at an incredible chance to add major trench meat to the O line early next draft
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 26, 2021 13:06:30 GMT -5
well said and furthermore, Stevie Wonder can see this is a greedy ass world and people are greedy AF. They don't care who it affects as long as they are getting your dollar. And yes ask the buffoons who continue to get suckered into buying a shitty product. I mean it's your perrogative, do what you want with your money but when you continue to then don't complain about the owners and how much there is a major disparity from entertainers/owners and such making billions and then you got soldiers (vets like myself) who might not make a million in their lifetime. Well I will say I might because I have been smart with things since a very young age. But the thing is yeah prices on everything continue to rise no matter how bad things are and it's crazy. I'm glad my mindset on the whole thing has drastically changed to the point on I don't give a damn about buying a jersey anymore and haven't so in years. Espcially when players move around at a much greater rate you'd be sporting someone who might have left and betrayed the team , ect ect so for me it really doesn't make sense. I might get an old school jersey of someone of value but defitely not likely someone current. I mean who has earned that right for us to get their jersey and really who has gotten a second contract from us recently lol? It hasn't been many that's for sure. Last jersey I bought was an Eli away in 2005 when they went to the red numbers... Never again Even QB jerseys are a risk with how much of a bust/I'm sick of looking at you rate they have true shit indeedy
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2021 14:37:00 GMT -5
Theyre both not starting caliber quarterbacks. If a person's bragging about a QB being better than Dwayne ****ing Haskins, that isn't bragging about much at all. Smith was spitting a lot of truth in that video even though I think he is a loudmouth hack. Discrediting him isn't going to change the fact that this team is a ****ing mess from ownership down to the water boys. Met Life stadium looks like a toilet bowl and has two of the biggest turds (Jets and Giants) floating around in it. Oh, the irony. A freakin men my brother. It's one thing to not necessarily like or listen to someone but it's not like just because of that and those things that they are incorrect or off base on what they are saying. He laid out since Getty got here and starting with the OBJ thing and so folks not reading into what I said or watched the video and then commented, in my opinion they are monday morning qb'ing the situation. Truth is Getty has made some good moves and some ****ed up ones and much more ****ed up ones than good and that has us in the , in more pile of shit than we were when his azzz got here!!! Everyone here is monday morning qb'ing every situation. That's all anyone can do from the stands.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 26, 2021 14:42:33 GMT -5
If you don't want to listen to the whole video it starts @ 5 min mark in which he talks about Gettleman's first move, the OBJ thing, ect. As much as some of us love OBJ or hate him, that move was the start of the question marks for Gettleman and he has definitely ran his course. About how back with the George Youngs, the Accorsi's, the Welington Mara's, how the Giants weren't concerned about alot of the back page stuff and PR moves/stunts ect we wanted to win football games. Oh man you musht hear it on how he rag dolled our upper management and ownership. A must listen to... Shannon Sharpe on undisputed talked about the Mara's and Tisch's and said he respects them but he wouldn't be surprised if they stay the course up top, if we don't win another game in the next 11-14 years!!! Beckham has little to nothing to do with Gettelman and/or how how he is perceived other than perhaps some fringe fans/talking heads. Gettelman started his demise when he drafted Barkley. Nothing a mid range WR that was having no impact on the franchise's success or failure and has none since at this new team, drives anything from a public perception other than a small group that views everything through that fanzy lens.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 26, 2021 15:57:06 GMT -5
If you don't want to listen to the whole video it starts @ 5 min mark in which he talks about Gettleman's first move, the OBJ thing, ect. As much as some of us love OBJ or hate him, that move was the start of the question marks for Gettleman and he has definitely ran his course. About how back with the George Youngs, the Accorsi's, the Welington Mara's, how the Giants weren't concerned about alot of the back page stuff and PR moves/stunts ect we wanted to win football games. Oh man you musht hear it on how he rag dolled our upper management and ownership. A must listen to... Shannon Sharpe on undisputed talked about the Mara's and Tisch's and said he respects them but he wouldn't be surprised if they stay the course up top, if we don't win another game in the next 11-14 years!!! Beckham has little to nothing to do with Gettelman and/or how how he is perceived other than perhaps some fringe fans/talking heads. Gettelman started his demise when he drafted Barkley. Nothing a mid range WR that was having no impact on the franchise's success or failure and has none since at this new team, drives anything from a public perception other than a small group that views everything through that fanzy lens. I agree with that. We needed 3 or 4 starters on the OL at that point, (maybe 5!) We could have added two for that pick we used on a RB. A gamble on a generational RB is never the first piece in a rebuild. He either mis-calcualted on how far we were from a complete team at that point or is just losing his marbles. Beckum is just relevant in his own mind.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 16:29:37 GMT -5
Beckham has little to nothing to do with Gettelman and/or how how he is perceived other than perhaps some fringe fans/talking heads. Gettelman started his demise when he drafted Barkley. Nothing a mid range WR that was having no impact on the franchise's success or failure and has none since at this new team, drives anything from a public perception other than a small group that views everything through that fanzy lens. I agree with that. We needed 3 or 4 starters on the OL at that point, (maybe 5!) We could have added two for that pick we used on a RB. A gamble on a generational RB is never the first piece in a rebuild. He either mis-calcualted on how far we were from a complete team at that point or is just losing his marbles. Beckum is just relevant in his own mind. The failure started when he gave a then record contact to someone that has actually played worse than the guy he replaced that was still on a rookie deal. The Barkley pick is irrelevant if they actually made sound O line choices 2018-2020 (along with stock piling playmakers post Odell trade. The Barkley pick just masks everything else that he did that was horrible.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 26, 2021 16:53:08 GMT -5
I agree with that. We needed 3 or 4 starters on the OL at that point, (maybe 5!) We could have added two for that pick we used on a RB. A gamble on a generational RB is never the first piece in a rebuild. He either mis-calcualted on how far we were from a complete team at that point or is just losing his marbles. Beckum is just relevant in his own mind. The failure started when he gave a then record contact to someone that has actually played worse than the guy he replaced that was still on a rookie deal. The Barkley pick is irrelevant if they actually made sound O line choices 2018-2020 (along with stock piling playmakers post Odell trade. The Barkley pick just masks everything else that he did that was horrible. ....or if they made sound decisions on the OL back to re-signing Beatty who proceeded to shit the bed on his second contract. Actually it might have started with the Solder signing. Odell remains irrelevant to the team's fortunes.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 26, 2021 17:02:47 GMT -5
The failure started when he gave a then record contact to someone that has actually played worse than the guy he replaced that was still on a rookie deal. The Barkley pick is irrelevant if they actually made sound O line choices 2018-2020 (along with stock piling playmakers post Odell trade. The Barkley pick just masks everything else that he did that was horrible. ....or if they made sound decisions on the OL back to re-signing Beatty who proceeded to shit the bed on his second contract. Actually it might have started with the Solder signing. Odell remains irrelevant to the team's fortunes. I'm just going back to 2018 when we attempted the complete rebuild the first time,when we actually had a legit chance of getting it right
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Post by GameTime on Nov 26, 2021 19:47:25 GMT -5
they know they suck at it but they are the owners and especially for Mara thats a family legacy going back to his Grandfather, Great Uncles, and Uncles. Tough to give that up. true but the thing is man I'm sure they have got to be smart enough to know how to self critique. It's something that everyone in this world has the ability to do and that's what's needed in everyone's lives periodically. They have to know and figure out a way to get past all of the Bullshit that's going on one way or another. Sure they might not want to give up owning the team and having full say over everything but damn, at some point if yo azzz need help, you just do lol. They need to discover that shit sooooner than later mannnnn!! they are def on the latter side for sure!! Its like a player waiting too long to retire.
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