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Post by inthezone on Apr 26, 2024 12:25:36 GMT -5
Playoffs are the expectation, as well as top-15 production from their chosen QB-1, Lock or Jones. 3 years is a lifetime in this league! This is Schoens roster. They've doubled down on this QB group and now we wait, and see. If QB wasn't their biggest need. I have to understand why it may be the poorest QB group in the league, currently. I don't know that anyone is expecting playoffs based on one addition. I think not getting smacked around like a college team should be the realistic expectation this year. We should expect to be competitive, but I think the line will remain 7-8 wins this year. Burns was a real big addition more so then Nabers. I agree that playoffs and a winning record should be the expectations.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 12:27:08 GMT -5
Playoffs are the expectation, as well as top-15 production from their chosen QB-1, Lock or Jones. 3 years is a lifetime in this league! This is Schoens roster. They've doubled down on this QB group and now we wait, and see. If QB wasn't their biggest need. I have to understand why it may be the poorest QB group in the league, currently. I don't know that anyone is expecting playoffs based on one addition. I think not getting smacked around like a college team should be the realistic expectation this year. We should expect to be competitive, but I think the line will remain 7-8 wins this year. We didn't just make one addition, this far. In fact, Burns might be the biggest addition of any team, this off-season We also have the rest of the draft to address all other excuses we have for being bad Get some TE, RB help in this draft and we should be in a formidable position.. No more excuses for Schoen and Daboll
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 26, 2024 12:27:47 GMT -5
I don't know that anyone is expecting playoffs based on one addition. I think not getting smacked around like a college team should be the realistic expectation this year. We should expect to be competitive, but I think the line will remain 7-8 wins this year. Burns was a real big addition more so then Nabers. I agree that playoffs and a winning record should be the expectations. if our line plays decently, the addition of Burns and Nabers could propel us to borderline playoff level. The line is a serious open question, but they will be hard pressed to play as poorly as last season regardless...
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Post by ratbastich on Apr 26, 2024 12:30:04 GMT -5
Playoffs are the expectation, as well as top-15 production from their chosen QB-1, Lock or Jones. 3 years is a lifetime in this league! This is Schoens roster. They've doubled down on this QB group and now we wait, and see. If QB wasn't their biggest need. I have to understand why it may be the poorest QB group in the league, currently. I don't know that anyone is expecting playoffs based on one addition. I think not getting smacked around like a college team should be the realistic expectation this year. We should expect to be competitive, but I think the line will remain 7-8 wins this year. That is what I want. The disaster of the first game last year proved that we were not as far along as we expected and it spiraled until the season was almost over. The team limped to the finish line, crossed it, then laid down, and threw up.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 26, 2024 12:30:38 GMT -5
I don't know that anyone is expecting playoffs based on one addition. I think not getting smacked around like a college team should be the realistic expectation this year. We should expect to be competitive, but I think the line will remain 7-8 wins this year. Burns was a real big addition more so then Nabers. I agree that playoffs and a winning record should be the expectations. I don't think those will be the expectations around the league. Competitive yes, Playoffs? That's a stretch. I can't see any legit analyst picking the Giants to be a playoff team in our division. Still too many questions. Schoen would have to be a magician to move the line up from 7 in the next couple of days.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 12:34:14 GMT -5
Burns was a real big addition more so then Nabers. I agree that playoffs and a winning record should be the expectations. I don't think those will be the expectations around the league. Competitive yes, Playoffs? That's a stretch. Still too many questions. Schoen would have to be a magician to move the line up from 7 in the next couple of days. if we solve TE, RB, what are our holes on offence? Maybe OG? but that shouldn't stop you from being playoff calibre and since we got rid of Wink, our defence should automatically be better. At least, thats what i've been hearing from our FO. We have a team player at DC what am I missing?
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 12:40:45 GMT -5
Burns was a real big addition more so then Nabers. I agree that playoffs and a winning record should be the expectations. if our line plays decently, the addition of Burns and Nabers could propel us to borderline playoff level. The line is a serious open question, but they will be hard pressed to play as poorly as last season regardless... OL has a healthy Thomas who should be a top 5 player at his position. JMC should be a average starting center at worst, if Schoen hit that pick. Eluemunor + Runyan should be average players at OT/OG. I count 1 hole at LG, Evan Neal played OG at Bama', perhaps thats the answer, or he does better at RT and Eluemunor slides in at a OG position, hes done well there. I dont think OL should be a serious question anymore, if we have faith in what our GM is doing
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 26, 2024 12:40:46 GMT -5
Burns was a real big addition more so then Nabers. I agree that playoffs and a winning record should be the expectations. I don't think those will be the expectations around the league. Competitive yes, Playoffs? That's a stretch. I can't see any legit analyst picking the Giants to be a playoff team in our division. Still too many questions. Schoen would have to be a magician to move the line up from 7 in the next couple of days. We do have a weaker schedule this year. We might surprise like we did in 22 and that schedule.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 12:41:59 GMT -5
I don't think those will be the expectations around the league. Competitive yes, Playoffs? That's a stretch. I can't see any legit analyst picking the Giants to be a playoff team in our division. Still too many questions. Schoen would have to be a magician to move the line up from 7 in the next couple of days. We do have a weaker schedule this year. We might surprise like we did in 22 and that schedule. not to mention, our QB has a playoff winning pedigree. we should be able to win more playoffs games with improvements since Schoens year 1
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Post by McCherry on Apr 26, 2024 12:44:00 GMT -5
I don't think those will be the expectations around the league. Competitive yes, Playoffs? That's a stretch. I can't see any legit analyst picking the Giants to be a playoff team in our division. Still too many questions. Schoen would have to be a magician to move the line up from 7 in the next couple of days. We do have a weaker schedule this year. We might surprise like we did in 22 and that schedule. We might. It's good to dream, I know I will.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 26, 2024 12:44:42 GMT -5
I don't think those will be the expectations around the league. Competitive yes, Playoffs? That's a stretch. Still too many questions. Schoen would have to be a magician to move the line up from 7 in the next couple of days. if we solve TE, RB, what are our holes on offence?Maybe OG? but that shouldn't stop you from being playoff calibre and since we got rid of Wink, our defence should automatically be better. At least, thats what i've been hearing from our FO. We have a team player at DC what am I missing? Well, you've been consistent all offseason that Jones can barely throw a football. It's good to see optimism. But I bet the national consensus will not see the Giants as a playoff team just because we drafted Malik Nabers.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 12:45:45 GMT -5
if we solve TE, RB, what are our holes on offence?Maybe OG? but that shouldn't stop you from being playoff calibre and since we got rid of Wink, our defence should automatically be better. At least, thats what i've been hearing from our FO. We have a team player at DC what am I missing? Well, you've been consistent all offseason that Jones can barely throw a football.It's good to see optimism. But I bet the national consensus will not see the Giants as a playoff team just because we drafted Malik Nabers. Im just a Canadian beer league hockey player! Clearly, I have no idea, haha. These guys are getting paid millions. I have to, at least, imagine they know what the hell they're doing. Not to mention, for the sake of my fandom. I want to be wrong on DJ/Schoen. Right now I think both are inept.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 12:49:24 GMT -5
Cooper Beebe is a guy I would look out for at #47, fits exactly what we ask of our OGs and is a very talented player. Phenomenal athlete, as well
Him, or Max Melton (CB).
I think Dejean, Mckinstry go earlier.
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Post by Aris on Apr 26, 2024 12:50:29 GMT -5
I feel the same as when the Giants drafted OBJ and Barkley. I keep asking about the QB and the team keeps on losing. Who would you have gotten at #6? Or would you have traded back.....assuming that was an option?
JJ and if not, a trade back. If we need so much, and plan on rebuilding the team into a 49ers team and await for the last pick in the draft to hit...we then should be acquiring picks and building this team....remember, wide receivers are deep this year. So are the guys who protect the QB. Weapons and the fat boy talent galore. Remember, for a GM it is always the QB you passed on that becomes franchise on another team that chokes you out. Good luck to us for not trading back, passing on JJ (a sin IMHO) and moving on "next" year with Jones....it's not really as easy as some might believe to trade up for a franchise QB next year. Actually, my math would say if a Burrow appears and we don't lose enough to be in line for a number 1...that team that is number 1 mathematically needs a QB. If they don't...the bidding would become INSANE. Again, if we believe JJ is not the QB, I can live with that...until he is. What I don't understand, if we did get calls for JJ or 6, why did they not trade back. Those 2 Viking first rounders would have helped. TALIESE FUAGA and BRIAN THOMAS Jr vs Nabers?
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Post by inthezone on Apr 26, 2024 12:55:52 GMT -5
Burns was a real big addition more so then Nabers. I agree that playoffs and a winning record should be the expectations. I don't think those will be the expectations around the league. Competitive yes, Playoffs? That's a stretch. I can't see any legit analyst picking the Giants to be a playoff team in our division. Still too many questions. Schoen would have to be a magician to move the line up from 7 in the next couple of days. We will have to disagree. Last year everything seemed to go wrong with injuries and they still somehow won 6 games. Why do you care what others will think the expectations will be? They aren't always correct and I for the 1st time in a handful of years expect they will have a winning season.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 26, 2024 12:56:18 GMT -5
We do have a weaker schedule this year. We might surprise like we did in 22 and that schedule. not to mention, our QB has a playoff winning pedigree. we should be able to win more playoffs games with improvements since Schoens year 1 True. Not many teams have a playoff winning QB still in thier prime. We are primed to be an offensive juggernaught this year. I know defensive coordinators are having nightmares coming up with ways to stop our offense after that Nabers pick.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 26, 2024 12:59:47 GMT -5
We do have a weaker schedule this year. We might surprise like we did in 22 and that schedule. We might. It's good to dream, I know I will. Every year is different. You never know this is the longest we had the same oc and head coach . Maybe it might click on offense.
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Post by robl on Apr 26, 2024 12:59:52 GMT -5
not to mention, our QB has a playoff winning pedigree. we should be able to win more playoffs games with improvements since Schoens year 1 True. Not many teams have a playoff winning QB still in thier prime. We are primed to be an offensive juggernaught this year. I know defensive coordinators are having nightmares coming up with ways to stop our offense after that Nabers pick. You really should use a red font. There are many here who believe that post is straight up true.
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Post by inthezone on Apr 26, 2024 13:01:31 GMT -5
not to mention, our QB has a playoff winning pedigree. we should be able to win more playoffs games with improvements since Schoens year 1 True. Not many teams have a playoff winning QB still in thier prime. We are primed to be an offensive juggernaught this year. I know defensive coordinators are having nightmares coming up with ways to stop our offense after that Nabers pick. Just run stunts with their dlinemen and the pressure will be immense until proven otherwise.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 26, 2024 13:02:39 GMT -5
if our line plays decently, the addition of Burns and Nabers could propel us to borderline playoff level. The line is a serious open question, but they will be hard pressed to play as poorly as last season regardless... OL has a healthy Thomas who should be a top 5 player at his position. JMC should be a average starting center at worst, if Schoen hit that pick. Eluemunor + Runyan should be average players at OT/OG. I count 1 hole at LG, Evan Neal played OG at Bama', perhaps thats the answer, or he does better at RT and Eluemunor slides in at a OG position, hes done well there. I dont think OL should be a serious question anymore, if we have faith in what our GM is doing with our history the last decade, it's a question until it's not...
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 26, 2024 13:04:04 GMT -5
True. Not many teams have a playoff winning QB still in thier prime. We are primed to be an offensive juggernaught this year. I know defensive coordinators are having nightmares coming up with ways to stop our offense after that Nabers pick. You really should use a red font. There are many here who believe that post is straight up true. After yesterday 1st rd the sky the limit for this team. We finally got a legit no. 1. No more excuses. What else can I do? Be mad over something I can't control? I give DJ fans one more chance since Schoen did. I will probably turn pretty quickly but there is no more excuses to use in year 6 unless Dabs and Schoen just don't play DJ.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 13:06:02 GMT -5
OL has a healthy Thomas who should be a top 5 player at his position. JMC should be a average starting center at worst, if Schoen hit that pick. Eluemunor + Runyan should be average players at OT/OG. I count 1 hole at LG, Evan Neal played OG at Bama', perhaps thats the answer, or he does better at RT and Eluemunor slides in at a OG position, hes done well there. I dont think OL should be a serious question anymore, if we have faith in what our GM is doing with our history the last decade, it's a question until it's not... Yep fair. If Cooper Beebe is there at #47, I bet they'll take him. Maybe even making the OL into a strength, Beebe gives me Chris Snee vibes No team has invested more in OL since 2019 than the Giants. Beebe would be yet another OL investment. Like i said, no more damn excuses! if they dont draft OL, i assume they're happy with what they got.
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 26, 2024 13:21:38 GMT -5
I know some fans will disagree with it, but Joe sees a more likely path to a good W/L record with Nabers and the 2-3 other picks in his pocket, than with Maye and Slayton as your WR1. Jones is and will be a business decision, they’re not in love with him or thinking he’s going to be awesome. It they thought that, DJ would have a 6 year deal with a $10 million cap hit this year. They’re hoping his play over the next year will be as good as a rookie QB with a functional offence around it. They’re focusing on the functional offence, as they should. Their biggest need wasnt QB. Their biggest need was not ending up with another Neal at #6. Playoffs are the expectation, as well as top-15 production from their chosen QB-1, Lock or Jones. 3 years is a lifetime in this league! This is Schoens roster. They've doubled down on this QB group and now we wait, and see. If QB wasn't their biggest need. I have to understand why it may be the poorest QB group in the league, currently. so JJ or Penix/Nix makes us a playoff team and gives us top 15 QB production?
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 13:25:24 GMT -5
Playoffs are the expectation, as well as top-15 production from their chosen QB-1, Lock or Jones. 3 years is a lifetime in this league! This is Schoens roster. They've doubled down on this QB group and now we wait, and see. If QB wasn't their biggest need. I have to understand why it may be the poorest QB group in the league, currently. so JJ or Penix/Nix makes us a playoff team and gives us top 15 QB production? JJ/Penix/Nix give you the potential of top 15 production. Im a big beliver that it doesn't matter what you put around Jones, you wont get that. The league has largely figured him out. I suppose time will tell? I want Schoen to add more OL, another WR, perhaps a TE and RB around Jones. The point will prove itself. I would love to be wrong! but I dont think I will be. This will be a good process for our fan base, nonetheless.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 26, 2024 13:47:55 GMT -5
I don't think those will be the expectations around the league. Competitive yes, Playoffs? That's a stretch. I can't see any legit analyst picking the Giants to be a playoff team in our division. Still too many questions. Schoen would have to be a magician to move the line up from 7 in the next couple of days. We will have to disagree. Last year everything seemed to go wrong with injuries and they still somehow won 6 games. Why do you care what others will think the expectations will be? They aren't always correct and I for the 1st time in a handful of years expect they will have a winning season. Fans can hope or wish for whatever they want. Expectations are different than hoping. You expect the Cowboys or Eagles to make the playoffs. No realistic analyst or sports fan on the planet is going to say they expect the Giants to make the playoffs in 2024 because they drafted a WR. And I'm as optimistic as they come...
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Post by inthezone on Apr 26, 2024 13:52:47 GMT -5
We will have to disagree. Last year everything seemed to go wrong with injuries and they still somehow won 6 games. Why do you care what others will think the expectations will be? They aren't always correct and I for the 1st time in a handful of years expect they will have a winning season. Fans can hope or wish for whatever they want. Expectations are different than hoping. You expect the Cowboys or Eagles to make the playoffs. No realistic analyst or sports fan on the planet is going to say they expect the Giants to make the playoffs in 2024 because they drafted a WR. And I'm as optimistic as they come... For the last time they didn't just add a WR.
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Post by Analyst on Apr 26, 2024 13:58:10 GMT -5
Well, shit... I didnt know this.
Feb 2023: LSU wide receiver Malik Nabers was arrested on Bourbon Street on Monday on a misdemeanor charge of illegal carrying of a weapon, according to Orleans Parish Magistrate court documents
Same thing Toney was arrested for. I did not know this. Shit. Obviously the Giants knew this but hard to swallow after Toney and Baker issues. I pray thats past him.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 26, 2024 14:01:13 GMT -5
Well, shit... I didnt know this. Feb 2023: LSU wide receiver Malik Nabers was arrested on Bourbon Street on Monday on a misdemeanor charge of illegal carrying of a weapon, according to Orleans Parish Magistrate court documents Same thing Toney was arrested for. I did not know this. Shit. Obviously the Giants knew this but hard to swallow after Toney and Baker issues. I pray thats past him. That's been talked about. Extremely dumb move. He does that in NY his career is over. You hope he's learned a lesson.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 14:02:27 GMT -5
Fans can hope or wish for whatever they want. Expectations are different than hoping. You expect the Cowboys or Eagles to make the playoffs. No realistic analyst or sports fan on the planet is going to say they expect the Giants to make the playoffs in 2024 because they drafted a WR. And I'm as optimistic as they come... For the last time they didn't just add a WR. What Mikes trying to say is, it don't mean shit without a QB!
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Post by McCherry on Apr 26, 2024 14:07:00 GMT -5
For the last time they didn't just add a WR. What Mikes trying to say is, it don't mean shit without a QB! I still support Jones. But the over under for the Giants today is still 6.5 wins. I'm just saying, let's keep expectations on planet Earth.
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