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Post by Nite on Apr 26, 2024 14:09:05 GMT -5
What Mikes trying to say is, it don't mean shit without a QB! I still support Jones. But the over under for the Giants today is still 6.5 wins. I'm just saying, let's keep expectations on planet Earth. At this point I'll take the under
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 14:09:27 GMT -5
What Mikes trying to say is, it don't mean shit without a QB! I still support Jones. But the over under for the Giants today is still 6.5 wins. I'm just saying, let's keep expectations on planet Earth. All im saying is. Training wheels are off for this FO. Vegas thinks 6.5 games because we have the worst QB group in the NFL. Or maybe, the Raiders? They understand what impacts Ws and Ls more than anything else. Not saying drafting a QB would have changed anything in 24', but hope for 25' would be there
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Post by inthezone on Apr 26, 2024 14:09:54 GMT -5
For the last time they didn't just add a WR. What Mikes trying to say is, it don't mean shit without a QB! You got me on that one.
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Post by Analyst on Apr 26, 2024 14:11:13 GMT -5
What Mikes trying to say is, it don't mean shit without a QB! I still support Jones. But the over under for the Giants today is still 6.5 wins. I'm just saying, let's keep expectations on planet Earth. Lets just say, we are more likely to have pick #1 in 2025 than pick #32. This team is still behind the 8ball. The "8"ball..... get it?
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Post by McCherry on Apr 26, 2024 14:13:28 GMT -5
I still support Jones. But the over under for the Giants today is still 6.5 wins. I'm just saying, let's keep expectations on planet Earth. All im saying is. Training wheels are off for this FO. Vegas thinks 6.5 games because we have the worst QB group in the NFL. Or maybe, the Raiders? You have a point, if Schoen/Dabool are rubber stamping their $90M QB, then what excuses do they have? It's year 3, they were supposed to win. But I'm just trying to be rational about results here.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 14:13:48 GMT -5
All im saying is. Training wheels are off for this FO. Vegas thinks 6.5 games because we have the worst QB group in the NFL. Or maybe, the Raiders? You have a point, if Schoen/Dabool are rubber stamping their $90M QB, then what excuses do they have? But I'm just trying to be rational about results here. Yeah, totally. If I were actually betting with my $ I don't think this roster is good. But that's just a fans opinion..I'm sure the expectations from this FO for 25' are very high
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Post by repeatchamps on Apr 26, 2024 14:14:20 GMT -5
I still support Jones. But the over under for the Giants today is still 6.5 wins. I'm just saying, let's keep expectations on planet Earth. All im saying is. Training wheels are off for this FO. Vegas thinks 6.5 games because we have the worst QB group in the NFL. Or maybe, the Raiders? They understand what impacts Ws and Ls more than anything else. If Bo Nix has a slow time grasping the NFL game and more particularly, Payton's system, Denver has the worst group. Raiders young guy O'Connell showed some promise (more than Zach Wilson ever has) and Minshew can produce. Chances are extremely high Bo Nix will be unable to contribute much this season. So if we're just weighing this upcoming season, Denver is the worst in the NFL still.
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Post by inconvenientruth on Apr 26, 2024 14:15:20 GMT -5
All im saying is. Training wheels are off for this FO. Vegas thinks 6.5 games because we have the worst QB group in the NFL. Or maybe, the Raiders? They understand what impacts Ws and Ls more than anything else. If Bo Nix has a slow time grasping the NFL game and more particularly, Payton's system, Denver has the worst group. Raiders young guy O'Connell showed some promise (more than Zach Wilson ever has) and Minshew can produce. Chances are extremely high Bo Nix will be unable to contribute much this season. I'm not a Nix guy, but Payton will be able to work well with him. I don't doubt it
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 26, 2024 16:26:05 GMT -5
Very happy to have Nabors thought he was right there with Harrison dude is super charged. the other thing I'm happy about Schoen liked Williams and Maye, from what I'm reading is he approached the Bears about the#1 pick in january was told no. Went hard on Maye Pats said no he tried, it's good didn't take the list of QBs and say well now that the 2 I believe in are gone i'm gonna settle fro the next guy in line great discipline not reaching happy for more than 1 reason. We have a number 1 WR for the first time in 5 years. I'm glad he was told no on Williams lmfao...... I did not want to trade at all but if it had to be for anyone it would be "Only" J Daniels......
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 26, 2024 16:33:05 GMT -5
Very happy to have Nabors thought he was right there with Harrison dude is super charged. the other thing I'm happy about Schoen liked Williams and Maye, from what I'm reading is he approached the Bears about the#1 pick in january was told no. Went hard on Maye Pats said no he tried, it's good didn't take the list of QBs and say well now that the 2 I believe in are gone i'm gonna settle fro the next guy in line great discipline not reaching happy for more than 1 reason. We have a number 1 WR for the first time in 5 years. I know some fans will disagree with it, but Joe sees a more likely path to a good W/L record with Nabers and the 2-3 other picks in his pocket, than with Maye and Slayton as your WR1. Jones is and will be a business decision, they’re not in love with him or thinking he’s going to be awesome. It they thought that, DJ would have a 6 year deal with a $10 million cap hit this year. They’re hoping his play over the next year will be as good as a rookie QB with a functional offence around it. They’re focusing on the functional offence, as they should. Their biggest need wasnt QB. Their biggest need was not ending up with another Neal at #6. as I've been saying they as a lot of us and people think he can at the least be "Functional" for what a team needs a qb to do to win games. If he can do that and we field a decent team that goes out and does not beat itself, we can win games. Shit last year we gave away 2-3 games with a shit show mostly so that would've put us at 9 wins....... It's almost like you have a girlfriend that does a lot of good things for you but isn't perfect yet you can deal with it. You think she can be better because you've seen signs of things and you have spend soooo much money during the course of the relationship and things yall have together, living together and such. You are vested in her right now and a little difficult to cut bait right away but you can think of and have a plan in place to do something in the future. For what you have vested, instead of taking a chance on not knowing if the next Gf will be more of the same, you'd rather work with what you have just to see..........
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Post by cdngfan on Apr 26, 2024 16:34:17 GMT -5
so JJ or Penix/Nix makes us a playoff team and gives us top 15 QB production? JJ/Penix/Nix give you the potential of top 15 production. Im a big beliver that it doesn't matter what you put around Jones, you wont get that. The league has largely figured him out. I suppose time will tell? I want Schoen to add more OL, another WR, perhaps a TE and RB around Jones. The point will prove itself. I would love to be wrong! but I dont think I will be. This will be a good process for our fan base, nonetheless. it goes without saying that I don’t know anymore than you do regarding how this will turn out, but I think if ownership is firing this GM if he doesn’t have top 15 QB stats and isn’t in the playoffs then Joe is cooked whether he drafted a QB or plays Jones. Now it’s just a semantical argument if Jones can play better than a rookie getting used to the playbook and NFL game speed. Excluding your opinion (you’d be happy if Jones plays great, I get the sense some fans are too emotionally invested in their opinions to share that sentiment), I think some fans are magically willing to give Joe more rope if he moves on from Jones. Which I think is kinda stupid. The standard should be the same regardless of who’s playing QB. I think Mara wants to extend Schoen, and can’t if his draft picks look like shit (irrespective of position) and the o line remains a mess. If he clears those two hurdles, it’s hard to see us winning fewer than 8 games irrespective of who’s playing QB, and I think that’s all the reason Mara needs to extend him. Pure speculation on my part. Fans want him swinging for the fences on every decision, but that’s the view from the cheap seats. It a little different to be standing in front of your boss saying “the fact that I tried to fix it must count for something……”. (It doesn’t).
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Post by myronguyton29 on Apr 26, 2024 16:41:42 GMT -5
Well, shit... I didnt know this. Feb 2023: LSU wide receiver Malik Nabers was arrested on Bourbon Street on Monday on a misdemeanor charge of illegal carrying of a weapon, according to Orleans Parish Magistrate court documents Same thing Toney was arrested for. I did not know this. Shit. Obviously the Giants knew this but hard to swallow after Toney and Baker issues. I pray thats past him. That's been talked about. Extremely dumb move. He does that in NY his career is over. You hope he's learned a lesson. it aint no way that after the Plax situation that that shit won't be beat into his head over and over and over and over and over lol...............
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Post by giantbob71 on Apr 26, 2024 16:50:28 GMT -5
JJ/Penix/Nix give you the potential of top 15 production. Im a big beliver that it doesn't matter what you put around Jones, you wont get that. The league has largely figured him out. I suppose time will tell? I want Schoen to add more OL, another WR, perhaps a TE and RB around Jones. The point will prove itself. I would love to be wrong! but I dont think I will be. This will be a good process for our fan base, nonetheless. it goes without saying that I don’t know anymore than you do regarding how this will turn out, but I think if ownership is firing this GM if he doesn’t have top 15 QB stats and isn’t in the playoffs then Joe is cooked whether he drafted a QB or plays Jones. Now it’s just a semantical argument if Jones can play better than a rookie getting used to the playbook and NFL game speed. Excluding your opinion (you’d be happy if Jones plays great, I get the sense some fans are too emotionally invested in their opinions to share that sentiment), I think some fans are magically willing to give Joe more rope if he moves on from Jones. Which I think is kinda stupid. The standard should be the same regardless of who’s playing QB. I think Mara wants to extend Schoen, and can’t if his draft picks look like shit (irrespective of position) and the o line remains a mess. If he clears those two hurdles, it’s hard to see us winning fewer than 8 games irrespective of who’s playing QB, and I think that’s all the reason Mara needs to extend him. Pure speculation on my part. Fans want him swinging for the fences on every decision, but that’s the view from the cheap seats. It a little different to be standing in front of your boss saying “the fact that I tried to fix it must count for something……”. (It doesn’t). You answered your own question...let's assume the Giants win 6-7 games next year. 1. DJ, making $40 million, throws for 20 TDs, looks like the same average QB, in a bad offense, isn’t worth it and probably gets Schoen fired. Just let the new GM pick "HIS" QB. Why would you resign a GM, who's made two bad decisions on a QB, to pick your next QB? 2. A rookie QB, throws for 20 TDs and looks like a potential stud. Now Schoen can point to the future, Mara and the fanbase buy in (like they did for rookie DJ) and maybe Schoen keeps his job. We're in year 3...THREE!...of a "rebuild" and you think the ONLY measuring stick is the OLine? If the OLine is better, and this team still can't win with DJ and a #1 receiver, it makes Schoen look even worse for doubling, the tripling down, on DJ. Also, do you resign Schoen for one year? In your scenario, he's likely getting fired after his 4th year...can't give him a new, 3 year deal, then be paying 2 GMs afterv1 year, right? Wouldn't it make more sense contractually and QB evaluation wise, just to start over? I'm still in shock that Schoen has bet his career on Daniel Jones, not once...but twice...that is truly "stupid."
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Apr 28, 2024 5:12:23 GMT -5
Liking the Nabers pick. Love it actually, but disappointed that we still have a bum at QB so it doesn't matter. Hoping for the best. Better OL....better WRs.....no injures? If healthy I think DJ should be fine. I hope so. I need to see it to believe it though.
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Apr 28, 2024 5:19:16 GMT -5
not to mention, our QB has a playoff winning pedigree. we should be able to win more playoffs games with improvements since Schoens year 1 True. Not many teams have a playoff winning QB still in thier prime. We are primed to be an offensive juggernaught this year. I know defensive coordinators are having nightmares coming up with ways to stop our offense after that Nabers pick. Nobody is having nightmares about an offense led by Daniel Jones.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 28, 2024 7:46:03 GMT -5
True. Not many teams have a playoff winning QB still in thier prime. We are primed to be an offensive juggernaught this year. I know defensive coordinators are having nightmares coming up with ways to stop our offense after that Nabers pick. Nobody is having nightmares about an offense led by Daniel Jones. While I do agree with you. Let me pretend we have a great offense atleast until the season starts. It is the only peace of mind I will have before reality sets in.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 28, 2024 8:12:14 GMT -5
Nobody is having nightmares about an offense led by Daniel Jones. While I do agree with you. Let me pretend we have a great offense atleast until the season starts. It is the only peace of mind I will have before reality sets in. if the offensive line comes together, our offense could be at least decent...
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 28, 2024 8:51:12 GMT -5
While I do agree with you. Let me pretend we have a great offense atleast until the season starts. It is the only peace of mind I will have before reality sets in. if the offensive line comes together, our offense could be at least decent... On paper, I think we've taken a step forward on offense. We've added two players with starting talent on the OL, we've added a true WR1 prospect, we added a refrigerator with arms to play TE, and we have a RB by committee. Adding a QB and one more OL would've been too good to be true, but on paper we look better.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 28, 2024 9:54:26 GMT -5
This poll lines up pretty well with the 10 days out poll of which position WR or QB. Seems the WR side is happy and the QB is not happy.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 28, 2024 9:56:49 GMT -5
I still support Jones. But the over under for the Giants today is still 6.5 wins. I'm just saying, let's keep expectations on planet Earth. At this point I'll take the under Give me the over. Schedule seems a bit easier, our PS QB played a bunch of games, our #1 QB only played a few, every player on the OL missed time etc.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 28, 2024 10:20:46 GMT -5
How did the Giants close the gap on everybody else who added players?
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Post by Nite on Apr 28, 2024 10:28:30 GMT -5
At this point I'll take the under Give me the over. Schedule seems a bit easier, our PS QB played a bunch of games, our #1 QB only played a few, every player on the OL missed time etc. Well our no. 1 qb last year went to the JETZ this year. Now we have the Journeyman QB and 2 PS guys...Hmm put it this way: If Lock starts and plays for most of the season: around 6 - 7 wins Expensive PS guy: 4 - 5 Inexpensive PS guy: 5 - 7 The silver lining is if the expensive PS guy starts and plays most of the season we will be drafting top 5 in 2025 and be in position to grab Beck or Sanders.
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Post by southerner on Apr 28, 2024 10:37:45 GMT -5
I wanted to trade back but Im ok with it. Just hope he's not another Toney. Lets keep building. Speaking of that...KC moved up to draft Xavier Worthy...is he replacing Toney? At this point KC doesn’t even want Kadaverous……he will end up n some team for a last chance, which he will fail and be out of the NFL for good by the end of next season.
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Post by Nite on Apr 28, 2024 10:39:46 GMT -5
I feel the same as when the Giants drafted OBJ and Barkley. I keep asking about the QB and the team keeps on losing. Mara loves his Diet Eli
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Post by inthezone on Apr 28, 2024 10:39:59 GMT -5
How did the Giants close the gap on everybody else who added players? 3 starters in FA does help close the gap on the Cowboys I guess the Eagles all depends on the oline and offensive coordinator. Getting Burns really changed my view to be more optimistic going into next season because no other team added a player with his ability.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 28, 2024 10:47:49 GMT -5
How did the Giants close the gap on everybody else who added players? 3 starters in FA does help close the gap on the Cowboys I guess the Eagles all depends on the oline and offensive coordinator. Getting Burns really changed my view to be more optimistic going into next season because no other team added a player with his ability. how is that when they lose Barkley, McKinney and have almost no depth or additions to the DL?
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Post by inthezone on Apr 28, 2024 10:57:22 GMT -5
3 starters in FA does help close the gap on the Cowboys I guess the Eagles all depends on the oline and offensive coordinator. Getting Burns really changed my view to be more optimistic going into next season because no other team added a player with his ability. how is that when they lose Barkley, McKinney and have almost no depth or additions to the DL? With a better oline they should get the same run production. Burns>>>>> McKinney and was replaced in the draft.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 28, 2024 10:59:53 GMT -5
how is that when they lose Barkley, McKinney and have almost no depth or additions to the DL? With a better oline they should get the same run production. Burns>>>>> McKinney and was replaced in the draft. didn’t the Eagles add Barkley and DBs though?
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Post by McCherry on Apr 28, 2024 11:00:51 GMT -5
how is that when they lose Barkley, McKinney and have almost no depth or additions to the DL? With a better oline they should get the same run production. Burns>>>>> McKinney and was replaced in the draft. And look, Nubin has the potential to be a real good player in this league. He's a rookie, but he's going to be a week 1 starter and a difference maker when he gets up to speed.
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Post by inthezone on Apr 28, 2024 11:03:24 GMT -5
With a better oline they should get the same run production. Burns>>>>> McKinney and was replaced in the draft. didn’t the Eagles add Barkley and DBs though? They lost the best center in the game and another starting guard. Who knows how rookie CBs will play be history is on the side of struggling this season for one of them.
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