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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 11:20:27 GMT -5
I was wondering when someone would point that out. I was going to fix it but decided to see how long it would take. Vegas Raiders lol Those west coast Cali teams are all interchangeable. Rams, Chargers, Raiders whatever. Oakland LA LV who cares lol.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 18, 2019 11:25:18 GMT -5
They also had the right personnel for their defense. The Giants have been in transition mode for these last two seasons and I think the seat will start warm next year and get hot quickly for a lot of people. Then whoever inherits the team will probably be anointed as a god. Thats what is happening in AZ right now. They had some talent and a stud pass rusher, what some are failing to realize this is a full blown rebuild top to bottom it was the right time they had 0 game changers on defense 2 OLs under contract and 1 linebacker under contract, this is nothing like what the Raiders or Cardinals are doing they had salvageable pieces guys like chandler Jones who is playing to and above his contract. Ok. Well we were salvaging peices like Jenkins and Ogletree too... Arizona and the Raiders were 100% in rebuilds as well. In fact a lot here say our rebuild started this year so Solder Hernandez Halapio were already established here as well. Engrama and Shepard and Ellison as well. Tomlinson and Hill too... So it's not like we have zero prices from last year still here pre rebuild. Raiders Cardinals and Giants are all in rebuilds.
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Post by thetruth on Nov 18, 2019 11:28:51 GMT -5
Thats what is happening in AZ right now. They had some talent and a stud pass rusher, what some are failing to realize this is a full blown rebuild top to bottom it was the right time they had 0 game changers on defense 2 OLs under contract and 1 linebacker under contract, this is nothing like what the Raiders or Cardinals are doing they had salvageable pieces guys like chandler Jones who is playing to and above his contract. Ok. Well we were salvaging peices like Jenkins and Ogletree too... Arizona and the Raiders were 100% in rebuilds as well. In fact a lot here say our rebuild started this year so Solder Hernandez Halapio were already established here as well. Engrama and Shepard and Ellison as well. Tomlinson and Hill too... So it's not like we have zero prices from last year still here pre rebuild. Raiders Cardinals and Giants are all in rebuilds. If we're in a rebuild why are we trading draft capital (3 & 4) for an above average interior DL, despite having depth. Not to mention the $12 MM/year plus he will get as a FA.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 11:38:18 GMT -5
Thats what is happening in AZ right now. They had some talent and a stud pass rusher, what some are failing to realize this is a full blown rebuild top to bottom it was the right time they had 0 game changers on defense 2 OLs under contract and 1 linebacker under contract, this is nothing like what the Raiders or Cardinals are doing they had salvageable pieces guys like chandler Jones who is playing to and above his contract. Ok. Well we were salvaging peices like Jenkins and Ogletree too... Arizona and the Raiders were 100% in rebuilds as well. In fact a lot here say our rebuild started this year so Solder Hernandez Halapio were already established here as well. Engrama and Shepard and Ellison as well. Tomlinson and Hill too... So it's not like we have zero prices from last year still here pre rebuild. Raiders Cardinals and Giants are all in rebuilds. Stop Please the only reason they are here because they are needed at this time, they are stop gap just like bethea this is the price you pay for terrible drafts like it or not. Gettlemen will pay i this plan doesn't come together in the next 2 or 3 years he will get to year 4 or 5 think of Chandler Jones took him 3 years to develop Leomard Floyd same thing 4 years it takes time, Williams is playing at a mid first round level the more they put around him and the more the guys already their develop the better he is gonna be. Stop Solder was brought here to buy them time to get some OL pieces in place same with Remmers he is a stop gap player this team was in worse shape then both the Raiders and Carinals combined.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 11:57:50 GMT -5
One other thing that no one will talk about because this is agenda based not fact based. The Raiders had pieces in place that were good players and are reletively healthy young vets not first and second year guys.. The Giants have lost every one of their top tear guys Shep so far almost the whole year Engram a few games tate 4 games Barkely will not be healthy this year. Before you guys start with the running back crap. OBJ was lost for the year do to a high ankle that turned into a broken ankle so it don't matter guys get hurt. Solder was never healthy coming off ankle surgery this is just the luck of the draw and on top of it you got a rookie QB playing with half a hand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 12:53:16 GMT -5
Thats what is happening in AZ right now. They had some talent and a stud pass rusher, what some are failing to realize this is a full blown rebuild top to bottom it was the right time they had 0 game changers on defense 2 OLs under contract and 1 linebacker under contract, this is nothing like what the Raiders or Cardinals are doing they had salvageable pieces guys like chandler Jones who is playing to and above his contract. Ok. Well we were salvaging peices like Jenkins and Ogletree too... Arizona and the Raiders were 100% in rebuilds as well. In fact a lot here say our rebuild started this year so Solder Hernandez Halapio were already established here as well. Engrama and Shepard and Ellison as well. Tomlinson and Hill too... So it's not like we have zero prices from last year still here pre rebuild. Raiders Cardinals and Giants are all in rebuilds. It's comical to keep reading all the excuses about this team when the basic facts are they suck and are the worse team in the NFL since the 2017 season. You're correct that a few teams went in rebuild mode along with the Giants and they are playing so much better at this time..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 18, 2019 13:14:12 GMT -5
Ok. Well we were salvaging peices like Jenkins and Ogletree too... Arizona and the Raiders were 100% in rebuilds as well. In fact a lot here say our rebuild started this year so Solder Hernandez Halapio were already established here as well. Engrama and Shepard and Ellison as well. Tomlinson and Hill too... So it's not like we have zero prices from last year still here pre rebuild. Raiders Cardinals and Giants are all in rebuilds. If we're in a rebuild why are we trading draft capital (3 & 4) for an above average interior DL, despite having depth. Not to mention the $12 MM/year plus he will get as a FA. Ask Gettleman...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 18, 2019 13:20:47 GMT -5
Ok. Well we were salvaging peices like Jenkins and Ogletree too... Arizona and the Raiders were 100% in rebuilds as well. In fact a lot here say our rebuild started this year so Solder Hernandez Halapio were already established here as well. Engrama and Shepard and Ellison as well. Tomlinson and Hill too... So it's not like we have zero prices from last year still here pre rebuild. Raiders Cardinals and Giants are all in rebuilds. Stop Please the only reason they are here because they are needed at this time, they are stop gap just like bethea this is the price you pay for terrible drafts like it or not. Gettlemen will pay i this plan doesn't come together in the next 2 or 3 years he will get to year 4 or 5 think of Chandler Jones took him 3 years to develop Leomard Floyd same thing 4 years it takes time, Williams is playing at a mid first round level the more they put around him and the more the guys already their develop the better he is gonna be. Stop Solder was brought here to buy them time to get some OL pieces in place same with Remmers he is a stop gap player this team was in worse shape then both the Raiders and Carinals combined. So the players that carried over pre rebuild for Arizona mean they weren't in a full rebuild but the ones that were carried over pre rebuild for us were just stop gaps? Solder was paid the most ever in NFL history for an OL, and he was just supposed to be a stop gap? Lol. To buy some time?.... I didnt even mention Barkley. Do the Cards have anyone close to Barkleys talent on their team from pre rebuild to help their rookie QB? Next year is the big year for DG to show his pieces are the right ones.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 18, 2019 13:25:46 GMT -5
One other thing that no one will talk about because this is agenda based not fact based. The Raiders had pieces in place that were good players and are reletively healthy young vets not first and second year guys.. The Giants have lost every one of their top tear guys Shep so far almost the whole year Engram a few games tate 4 games Barkely will not be healthy this year. Before you guys start with the running back crap. OBJ was lost for the year do to a high ankle that turned into a broken ankle so it don't matter guys get hurt. Solder was never healthy coming off ankle surgery this is just the luck of the draw and on top of it you got a rookie QB playing with half a hand. Before you go on about all that injury nonsense, to me, only the injury excuse to a QB will save a coaches butt. And that said, what say you on the Giants not being prepared to replace an OT if one got injured? Like Solder getting hurt and us having to play a kid who was practicing at TE since preseason? Not even knowing he was next man up for LT! That sound like a team ready for a rebuild? Or just completely incompetent?
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Post by lexington11 on Nov 18, 2019 14:51:27 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on this? Both teams got new HCs (Shurmur/Gruden), new GMs (Gettleman/Mayock), traded away great talent (OBJ/Cooper and Vernon/Mack).... Yet the Raiders are the ones showing improvement while the NY Giants are not. This is what is disappointing to me. They moved to 5-4 last night. Look respectable. We are 2-7 and look terrible. So why do you guys think the Raiders rebuild is working much better/quicker than the Giants rebuild as of now? Carr > Jones Betcher stinks so far Gruden> Shurmur not hard to see why the Raiders are better at this point Carr is not better than jones lol. Let’s pump the breaks in the knee jerk reactions. This kid is learning on the fly and should be sitting if we had a competent starter in front of him. Fumbles can and will be fixed. Lamar Jackson fumbled 13 times in 8 games last year. None issue this year. Jones has all the talent. They need to set him up for success which they have failed to do. It wasn’t too long ago that Carr was close to being out in Oakland.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 18, 2019 14:56:14 GMT -5
Carr > Jones Betcher stinks so far Gruden> Shurmur not hard to see why the Raiders are better at this point Carr is not better than jones lol. Let’s pump the breaks in the knee jerk reactions. This kid is learning on the fly and should be sitting if we had a competent starter in front of him. Fumbles can and will be fixed. Lamar Jackson fumbled 13 times in 8 games last year. None issue this year. Jones has all the talent. They need to set him up for success which they have failed to do. It wasn’t too long ago that Carr was close to being out in Oakland. Pretty sure he means right now, which is 100% true.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 15:00:11 GMT -5
One other thing that no one will talk about because this is agenda based not fact based. The Raiders had pieces in place that were good players and are reletively healthy young vets not first and second year guys.. The Giants have lost every one of their top tear guys Shep so far almost the whole year Engram a few games tate 4 games Barkely will not be healthy this year. Before you guys start with the running back crap. OBJ was lost for the year do to a high ankle that turned into a broken ankle so it don't matter guys get hurt. Solder was never healthy coming off ankle surgery this is just the luck of the draw and on top of it you got a rookie QB playing with half a hand. Before you go on about all that injury nonsense, to me, only the injury excuse to a QB will save a coaches butt. And that said, what say you on the Giants not being prepared to replace an OT if one got injured? Like Solder getting hurt and us having to play a kid who was practicing at TE since preseason? Not even knowing he was next man up for LT! That sound like a team ready for a rebuild? Or just completely incompetent? they had Gates and didn't expect both tackles to go down. me thinks they need depth they had Slade on the practice squad there are tackles available how good I don't know. They should be bringing them up. I don't know if Shurmur survives, if he does he better raid either Reeds staff or Petersons for an OC injuries are a fact not nonsense, their best offensive players have been down most of the year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 15:05:27 GMT -5
Stop Please the only reason they are here because they are needed at this time, they are stop gap just like bethea this is the price you pay for terrible drafts like it or not. Gettlemen will pay i this plan doesn't come together in the next 2 or 3 years he will get to year 4 or 5 think of Chandler Jones took him 3 years to develop Leomard Floyd same thing 4 years it takes time, Williams is playing at a mid first round level the more they put around him and the more the guys already their develop the better he is gonna be. Stop Solder was brought here to buy them time to get some OL pieces in place same with Remmers he is a stop gap player this team was in worse shape then both the Raiders and Carinals combined. So the players that carried over pre rebuild for Arizona mean they weren't in a full rebuild but the ones that were carried over pre rebuild for us were just stop gaps? Solder was paid the most ever in NFL history for an OL, and he was just supposed to be a stop gap? Lol. To buy some time?.... I didnt even mention Barkley. Do the Cards have anyone close to Barkleys talent on their team from pre rebuild to help their rookie QB? Next year is the big year for DG to show his pieces are the right ones. Have you been watching this team the last so many years they have been filling out the roster with stop gaps at important positions because they sucked in the draft 7-8 years those are facts. God man where do you think a left tackle was coming from please enlighten us they needed the best on the market to buy them 3 maybe 4 years, he still can when healthy, Yes they had fitz old but good Johnson a fine back
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 18, 2019 15:06:37 GMT -5
Before you go on about all that injury nonsense, to me, only the injury excuse to a QB will save a coaches butt. And that said, what say you on the Giants not being prepared to replace an OT if one got injured? Like Solder getting hurt and us having to play a kid who was practicing at TE since preseason? Not even knowing he was next man up for LT! That sound like a team ready for a rebuild? Or just completely incompetent? they had Gates and didn't expect both tackles to go down. me thinks they need depth they had Slade on the practice squad there are tackles available how good I don't know. They should be bringing them up. I don't know if Shurmur survives, if he does he better raid either Reeds staff or Petersons for an OC injuries are a fact not nonsense, their best offensive players have been down most of the year. They knew Remmers was down. So they hoped Solder and Gates stayed healthy and played every snap without even letting the backup know he was the backup for the last game? That's the definition of dysfunction.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 18, 2019 15:08:22 GMT -5
So the players that carried over pre rebuild for Arizona mean they weren't in a full rebuild but the ones that were carried over pre rebuild for us were just stop gaps? Solder was paid the most ever in NFL history for an OL, and he was just supposed to be a stop gap? Lol. To buy some time?.... I didnt even mention Barkley. Do the Cards have anyone close to Barkleys talent on their team from pre rebuild to help their rookie QB? Next year is the big year for DG to show his pieces are the right ones. Have you been watching this team the last so many years they have been filling out the roster with stop gaps at important positions because they sucked in the draft 7-8 years those are facts. God man where do you think a left tackle was coming from please enlighten us they needed the best on the market to buy them 3 maybe 4 years, he still can when healthy, Yes they had fitz old but good Johnson a fine back LOL Yeah the most expensive OL in history of the NFL at the time was signed to be a stop gap until he is replaced. He was signed to be the LT of this team going forward and DG swung and missed. Huge FA signing. Not sure you understand what a "stop gap" player is. Generally speaking it's a cheap small years deal until you find the next guy. Not a huge mega 5 year deal.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 15:08:48 GMT -5
Never seen nothing like this people who claim to be fans of the team rooting openly for the GM to fail because they don't like him lol.Next year is a big year or maybe Mara will have a soft spot and give him 6-7 years. if he riffs on 2or 3 drafts in a row doubt the will happen tho.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 18, 2019 15:10:13 GMT -5
Never seen nothing like this people who claim to be fans of the team rooting openly for the GM to fail because they don't like him lol.Next year is a big year or maybe Mara will have a soft spot and give him 6-7 years. if he riffs on 2or 3 drafts in a row doubt the will happen tho. You dont see anyone openly rooting for the GM to fail. You just see people critical of his moves that havent worked out as of now.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 15:12:01 GMT -5
they had Gates and didn't expect both tackles to go down. me thinks they need depth they had Slade on the practice squad there are tackles available how good I don't know. They should be bringing them up. I don't know if Shurmur survives, if he does he better raid either Reeds staff or Petersons for an OC injuries are a fact not nonsense, their best offensive players have been down most of the year. They knew Remmers was down. So they hoped Solder and Gates stayed healthy and played every snap without even letting the backup know he was the backup for the last game? That's the definition of dysfunction. Shurmur has to make the call who he needs from the practice squad they have tackles there. that kid is listed as a tackle what doe a he do at practice twittle his thumbs really, that is where the dysfunction is if this is true.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 15:17:40 GMT -5
Never seen nothing like this people who claim to be fans of the team rooting openly for the GM to fail because they don't like him lol.Next year is a big year or maybe Mara will have a soft spot and give him 6-7 years. if he riffs on 2or 3 drafts in a row doubt the will happen tho. You dont see anyone openly rooting for the GM to fail. You just see people critical of his moves that havent worked out as of now. the question is what moves are really bad. I know the usual Omameh and and the Stewart who never got all of his salary because for every game missed he gave back a percentage. Williams isn't a bad move at all either even tho people looking for something to whine about will say it is. just really interested Peppers is doing everything and more then Collins did here for a tenth of the money.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 15:24:27 GMT -5
Never seen nothing like this people who claim to be fans of the team rooting openly for the GM to fail because they don't like him lol.Next year is a big year or maybe Mara will have a soft spot and give him 6-7 years. if he riffs on 2or 3 drafts in a row doubt the will happen tho. You dont see anyone openly rooting for the GM to fail. You just see people critical of his moves that havent worked out as of now. Sure I do. There are people here who sat back and watched bad draft after bad draft and ill advised spending spree and not a peep nothing while the team turned into one of bigger dumpster fires in recent NFL history. but this guy heres crap if he sneezes the wrong way no GM is perfect ,there are ups and downs for the best of them so far he has more ups then downs, not his fault he inherited a roster of over paid vets on the wrong side of thirty and 0 talent or depth.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 18, 2019 16:38:02 GMT -5
You dont see anyone openly rooting for the GM to fail. You just see people critical of his moves that havent worked out as of now. the question is what moves are really bad. I know the usual Omameh and and the Stewart who never got all of his salary because for every game missed he gave back a percentage. Williams isn't a bad move at all either even tho people looking for something to whine about will say it is. just really interested Peppers is doing everything and more then Collins did here for a tenth of the money. That all will depend on if they resign him or not, and how cheap they can get him. If they dont, or if he demands top DL money, it was an awful trade for Gettleman.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 17:02:16 GMT -5
Never seen nothing like this people who claim to be fans of the team rooting openly for the GM to fail because they don't like him lol.Next year is a big year or maybe Mara will have a soft spot and give him 6-7 years. if he riffs on 2or 3 drafts in a row doubt the will happen tho. You still haven't that but please pretend that the fans out here are if that makes you feel better.. Wow!!
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 18, 2019 17:12:19 GMT -5
Not too long ago, I remember many of you here on this board laughing at Gruden trading away Mack & a few other players for a buncha #1s & 2s, now who's laughing? The more games the Bears lose this yr, the better them picks are gonna be for Oakland next yr & yr after. Guy's smarter & has a higher football IQ than all of us combined on this board, he knew exactly what he was doing. Watch Raiders win a SB in the next couple of yrs.
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 18, 2019 17:22:07 GMT -5
Not too long ago, I remember many of you here on this board laughing at Gruden trading away Mack & a few other players for a buncha #1s & 2s, now who's laughing? The more games the Bears lose this yr, the better them picks are gonna be for Oakland next yr & yr after. Guy's smarter & has a higher football IQ than all of us combined on this board, he knew exactly what he was doing. Watch Raiders win a SB in the next couple of yrs. Well part of Chuckie's good fortune came from having a terrible team last year and being able to draft high this year. They (and don't forget that Gruden in the HC and Mike Mayock is the GM) did a nice job in the draft this year so they get great credit from me. It's not Gruden's doing that the Bears have fallen on bad times. I'm sure he thought that pick would be near the bottom of RD 1 in 2020.
Having said that, I do agree that John Gruden is a smart guy.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 18, 2019 17:23:43 GMT -5
Also, no one is even bringing up the whole Antonio Brown disaster that would derail most teams.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 18, 2019 17:35:15 GMT -5
Never seen nothing like this people who claim to be fans of the team rooting openly for the GM to fail because they don't like him lol.Next year is a big year or maybe Mara will have a soft spot and give him 6-7 years. if he riffs on 2or 3 drafts in a row doubt the will happen tho. No one, and I repeat NO ONE is rooting for Gettleman to fail. Fans are critical of him (me especially) But his success would be the teams success which means us as fans would be happy. It’s not rocket science.. If Gettleman fails the team fails. If he succeeds the team succeeds. Being critical of his decisions and player personal decisions comes with the territory.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 17:38:11 GMT -5
the question is what moves are really bad. I know the usual Omameh and and the Stewart who never got all of his salary because for every game missed he gave back a percentage. Williams isn't a bad move at all either even tho people looking for something to whine about will say it is. just really interested Peppers is doing everything and more then Collins did here for a tenth of the money. That all will depend on if they resign him or not, and how cheap they can get him. If they dont, or if he demands top DL money, it was an awful trade for Gettleman. don't think he is gonna get Donald money anywhere, he should get more then Snacks tho he is top 5 in the run game and like when the Giants paid OV for pressures he's #1 in that stat since 2015, we will see how this plays out. Next offseason is a big one for this regime agree on that totally I don't want them to make the same mistake and spend every penny on 4 questionable players the only one worth the contracts was snacks he at least was a great run stopper Jenkens best year was the 2016 never had a year like that before or after that OV got paid for pressures hopefully they look at that and don't do it again.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 17:44:51 GMT -5
Never seen nothing like this people who claim to be fans of the team rooting openly for the GM to fail because they don't like him lol.Next year is a big year or maybe Mara will have a soft spot and give him 6-7 years. if he riffs on 2or 3 drafts in a row doubt the will happen tho. No one, and I repeat NO ONE is rooting for Gettleman to fail. Fans are critical of him (me especially) But his success would be the teams success which means us as fans would be happy. It’s not rocket science.. If Gettleman fails the team fails. If he succeeds the team succeeds. Being critical of his decisions and player personal decisions comes with the territory. I question it because most of this board sat idle while our team got eaten up from the inside out over the last 7-8 years without so much as a peep, but now this guy sneezes the wrong way and the world is down on him. I don't give a rats ass what is said his work isn't as bad as people complain it is thats where the agenda's come in. There are decisions that need to be resolved Like the signing of williams and such. In the end the best GMs have their ups and downs we will see in a few years where this roster is.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 18, 2019 17:54:56 GMT -5
No one, and I repeat NO ONE is rooting for Gettleman to fail. Fans are critical of him (me especially) But his success would be the teams success which means us as fans would be happy. It’s not rocket science.. If Gettleman fails the team fails. If he succeeds the team succeeds. Being critical of his decisions and player personal decisions comes with the territory. I question it because most of this board sat idle while our team got eaten up from the inside out over the last 7-8 years without so much as a peep, but now this guy sneezes the wrong way and the world is down on him. I don't give a rats ass what is said his work isn't as bad as people complain it is thats where the agenda's come in. There are decisions that need to be resolved Like the signing of williams and such. In the end the best GMs have their ups and downs we will see in a few years where this roster is. Your age is showing. I and many others were ripping Reese apart. Flowers and Apple were the straw that broke the backs of the most loyal Jerry Reese fans. Look, I don’t like the direction that Gettleman is headed with our franchise. I’m by no means a fan of his work, actually the day he’s gone will be a day I mark on the calendar as a holiday. But right now he’s our GM for better or worse. And I hope he steers us in the direction of winning football and more importantly playing Giant football. Giant football used to be hard nosed football, tough defense, just a blue collar team that plays as one and leaves it all on the field.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 18, 2019 18:17:32 GMT -5
I question it because most of this board sat idle while our team got eaten up from the inside out over the last 7-8 years without so much as a peep, but now this guy sneezes the wrong way and the world is down on him. I don't give a rats ass what is said his work isn't as bad as people complain it is thats where the agenda's come in. There are decisions that need to be resolved Like the signing of williams and such. In the end the best GMs have their ups and downs we will see in a few years where this roster is. Your age is showing. I and many others were ripping Reese apart. Flowers and Apple were the straw that broke the backs of the most loyal Jerry Reese fans. Look, I don’t like the direction that Gettleman is headed with our franchise. I’m by no means a fan of his work, actually the day he’s gone will be a day I mark on the calendar as a holiday. But right now he’s our GM for better or worse. And I hope he steers us in the direction of winning football and more importantly playing Giant football. Giant football used to be hard nosed football, tough defense, just a blue collar team that plays as one and leaves it all on the field. Thats what I don't get with you that is exactly the kind of teams this guy put together in Carolina and the kind of free agents he brought here the first time With Mc Knezie mitchell and others.
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