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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 16:02:08 GMT -5
He was still the best O lineman on the team. The best in an OL of 4 rookies... He might've been the worst in 2021. exactly.. he definitely wasn't a world beater by any means.
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Post by allnygin on Mar 10, 2021 16:02:26 GMT -5
The good news was the oline did get progressively better and even resemebled an NFL offensive line towards the end. The bad news Lemiuex still sucks in pass coverage, flemming is likely gone and now Zietler who if we're being honest was on the decline regardless.
My guess they'll go after some bargin FA WRs score at least one, draft another lineman with pick one, go WR in rd 2 or 3. Although, I'm not even sure who's available at guard in FA maybe somebody decent will become a cap casualty like Zietler who they can get on a decent deal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 16:02:49 GMT -5
OOF sucks that we had to get rid of our most consistent OL, but due to cap restrictions we HAD to make this move Who knows, maybe we can re-sign and restructure him. Or would we have to pick up where we left off salary-wise instead of signing him to a whole new deal. This makes Wyatt Davis from Ohio St and Creed Humphrey from Oklahoma seem much more intriguing in the 2nd round, because I dont know how how much confidence I have in Lemieux and Hernandez as our starting guards... I guess that could work if we had a SOLID RT, but we dont. Maybe we draft Rashawn Slater, start him at RT with Hernandez and Lemieux as OG's and if 1 of them cant hang, move Slater inside and start Peart? I am sort of trying to imagine the pocket Daniel Jones will step into...and all I am garnering is fumbles, sacks and picks. How do we even have a QB on a rookie contract and in his show me heaven or hell year ....and the first casualty being the best linemen we have? Good luck with weapons and us having no OL...personally, I would of let LW go before the guy who blocks those DT's...just because it is the show me year from Jones. Slater is now in pick 11 need...hope the fantasy fans can handle Slater over Smith, Pitts or Waddle if the choice is there at 11.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 10, 2021 16:03:57 GMT -5
Unfortuanetly, this had to happen.. wtf is soldier sitll here? He should be next. Solder's release will only net the Giants $6M and he is probably penciled in as their starting Right Tackle. I don't think he is going anywhere.... June 1st gives us more savings (would be enough for our draft picks)
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Post by jb456 on Mar 10, 2021 16:07:29 GMT -5
I don't know why any Giants fan would be happy about this move. Pure cap casualty and not based on performance. This move makes me not like DG a little bit more.... Completely not true. Zeitler was coming off his worst season. He was the best player on the Oline, right? I guess its all relative...
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Post by allnygin on Mar 10, 2021 16:09:03 GMT -5
Slater is now in pick 11 need...hope the fantasy fans can handle Slater over Smith, Pitts or Waddle if the choice is there at 11. That's what I was thinking, or what about even Alijah Vera-Tucker I know a G is always considered a reach with early 1st round picks, but I hear good things about him and in todays NFL if you can get a competent starter for your oline no matter what position its not a reach. Regardless, The oline still needs work. I know we need weapons, but I will not lose sleep if we go T or G with the first pick . Even though I really, really want a dynamic WR.. I know better.
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Post by vinnie on Mar 10, 2021 16:09:54 GMT -5
Not surprisingly, Gettleman has taken yet another step backwards to accomplishing his number one priority and “fixing the O line once and for all” which he claimed to do last year. Well done Dave, well done! Your incompetence as a GM knows no bounds.
Assuming this was due to make cap space for Williams, now Dave has given up a 5th and 3rd round pick, 2 franchise tags and Zeitler all for one D lineman who we may not even sign to a long term contract. Amazing job Dave, I don’t know how you do it!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 16:09:56 GMT -5
PBWR = Pass Blocking Win Rate
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 10, 2021 16:11:54 GMT -5
I can't wait to see the list of players cut league wide the next week.
We might get him back very cheap for all we know
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 10, 2021 16:12:21 GMT -5
When you are forced to cut your best O lineman, there is a functional problem with the football team. I know it had to be done but it's the fact THAT it had to be done that troubles me.
I don't know why any Giants fan would be happy about this move. Pure cap casualty and not based on performance. This move makes me not like DG a little bit more.... yup and now the entire right side is weaker.
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Post by allnygin on Mar 10, 2021 16:13:12 GMT -5
I can't wait to see the list of players cut league wide the next week. We might get him back very cheap for all we know that's a good point .
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Post by McCherry on Mar 10, 2021 16:14:29 GMT -5
OOF sucks that we had to get rid of our most consistent OL, but due to cap restrictions we HAD to make this move Who knows, maybe we can re-sign and restructure him. Or would we have to pick up where we left off salary-wise instead of signing him to a whole new deal. This makes Wyatt Davis from Ohio St and Creed Humphrey from Oklahoma seem much more intriguing in the 2nd round, because I dont know how how much confidence I have in Lemieux and Hernandez as our starting guards... I guess that could work if we had a SOLID RT, but we dont. Maybe we draft Rashawn Slater, start him at RT with Hernandez and Lemieux as OG's and if 1 of them cant hang, move Slater inside and start Peart? I am sort of trying to imagine the pocket Daniel Jones will step into...and all I am garnering is fumbles, sacks and picks. How do we even have a QB on a rookie contract and in his show me heaven or hell year ....and the first casualty being the best linemen we have? Good luck with weapons and us having no OL...personally, I would of let LW go before the guy who blocks those DT's...just because it is the show me year from Jones. Slater is now in pick 11 need...hope the fantasy fans can handle Slater over Smith, Pitts or Waddle if the choice is there at 11. Not a Guard. But in free agency you can get players in Zeitler's caliber for half of what he was making.
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Post by jb456 on Mar 10, 2021 16:14:30 GMT -5
Solder's release will only net the Giants $6M and he is probably penciled in as their starting Right Tackle. I don't think he is going anywhere.... June 1st gives us more savings (would be enough for our draft picks) Actually, even though you can designate a player as a post June 1 cut, the team must remain under the cap and only sees the benefit post June 1. Translation, this would only be beneficial if the Giants wanted to sign players after June 1 or if they wanted additional contingency for the season. I just read that the other day. I think its legit though
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 10, 2021 16:15:28 GMT -5
sucks....they have to focus on the OL and play makers. They just made OL worse at this time Depending on what they do with Solder they might be able to get a pretty good replacement for him several are being cut because of the cap and they most will have to play cheap this year.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 10, 2021 16:15:52 GMT -5
I can't wait to see the list of players cut league wide the next week. We might get him back very cheap for all we know that's a good point . He's not coming back, this wasn't just about money.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 10, 2021 16:17:47 GMT -5
Slater is now in pick 11 need...hope the fantasy fans can handle Slater over Smith, Pitts or Waddle if the choice is there at 11. That's what I was thinking, or what about even Alijah Vera-Tucker I know a G is always considered a reach with early 1st round picks, but I hear good things about him and in todays NFL if you can get a competent starter for your oline no matter what position its not a reach. Regardless, The oline still needs work. I know we need weapons, but I will not lose sleep if we go T or G with the first pick . Even though I really, really want a dynamic WR.. I know better. I have never trusted Grampa Gettleman with building a modern dynamic NFL team.. The conspiracy theorist in me is that he doesn't want a dynamic playmaker because he still believes prehistoric goober ball from the 70s still is a winning formula.and I've always thought there was someone above him that thinks the same way (Chris Mara) What a better way not to have to address this need than to have "other priorities " that fit their agenda Now ..personally they should have extended him.... So that is now a probable hole.. They forcd Tomlinson to sign elsewhere that is now a guaranteed pick in the 1st 2 days Conveniently no WRs left for our 3rd round pick and bingo He has the perfect excuse for only taking a day 3 flyer on a big bodied slowpoke slug that is best at run blocking... In which case we need to start evaluating qbs again..but the suck part is that we won't be bad enough for a premium guy ...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 10, 2021 16:18:11 GMT -5
The good news was the oline did get progressively better and even resemebled an NFL offensive line towards the end. The bad news Lemiuex still sucks in pass coverage, flemming is likely gone and now Zietler who if we're being honest was on the decline regardless. My guess they'll go after some bargin FA WRs score at least one, draft another lineman with pick one, go WR in rd 2 or 3. Although, I'm not even sure who's available at guard in FA maybe somebody decent will become a cap casualty like Zietler who they can get on a decent deal. With all the free agent Guards that are gonna be hitting the market we will see. Will H or Lemiuex might be able to handle it with might have been told to work on it.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 10, 2021 16:18:40 GMT -5
He's not coming back, this wasn't just about money. hahaha- he wasn’t cut due to money. hello?
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 10, 2021 16:18:54 GMT -5
June 1st gives us more savings (would be enough for our draft picks) Actually, even though you can designate a player as a post June 1 cut, the team must remain under the cap and only sees the benefit post June 1. Translation, this would only be beneficial if the Giants wanted to sign players after June 1 or if they wanted additional contingency for the season. I just read that the other day. I think its legit though Yeah June 1st is when we would need the money for draft picks
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 10, 2021 16:19:48 GMT -5
does this move with Zietler change our direction in the coming draft, especially in round 1..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 10, 2021 16:20:19 GMT -5
This isn't like they screwed the cap up several teams are in our shoes it was a choice center piece for the defense or an aging but good OL
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 10, 2021 16:21:28 GMT -5
does this move with Zietler change our direction in the coming draft, especially in round 1.. Doubt it Guards can be had day 2 that are plug and play If anything they get a cheaper guy to push Hernandez and Lemieux... With that said Slater if he is BPA is more a possibility right now
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Post by Roswell on Mar 10, 2021 16:22:52 GMT -5
Anyone have Omaneh's cell number?
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Post by allnygin on Mar 10, 2021 16:23:28 GMT -5
I am sort of trying to imagine the pocket Daniel Jones will step into...and all I am garnering is fumbles, sacks and picks. How do we even have a QB on a rookie contract and in his show me heaven or hell year ....and the first casualty being the best linemen we have? Good luck with weapons and us having no OL...personally, I would of let LW go before the guy who blocks those DT's...just because it is the show me year from Jones. Slater is now in pick 11 need...hope the fantasy fans can handle Slater over Smith, Pitts or Waddle if the choice is there at 11. Not a Guard. But in free agency you can get players in Zeitler's caliber for half of what he was making. That's good news, I haven't looked myself and too lazy what are some good options?
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Post by McCherry on Mar 10, 2021 16:23:32 GMT -5
He's not coming back, this wasn't just about money. hahaha- he wasn’t cut due to money. hello? Hello. Yes, you don’t pay $14M for regressing veterans coming off their worst season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 16:23:37 GMT -5
I can't wait to see the list of players cut league wide the next week. We might get him back very cheap for all we know What's bothering me the most?...he was a multi scheme guard, could do both zone and gap. And, he was a veteran...something an OL of rookies needs at least one quality starter. Now, we have a weaker OL...still need an X receiver...an edge, CB2....right tackle still a developing guy, DT...the board seems to hate Engram...so I guess we need a tight end...Barkley at pick 2...knee was shredded...gonna be a silly signing for contract 2 but we need a backup or two...this team has a LOT of holes with no cap, and not many picks.
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Post by JoeyCush on Mar 10, 2021 16:23:52 GMT -5
Well that sucks. Heard yesterday how Gettleman isnt in favor of restructuring contracts or "kicking the can down the road" but honestly, the cap is on the rise again especially with the new TV deal being finalized.
This team had question marks at LG and RT and now appeared to create a new hole at RG. Lets hope they can find somebody cheaper because I dont believe the long term starter is on this roster right now.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 10, 2021 16:25:10 GMT -5
I can't wait to see the list of players cut league wide the next week. We might get him back very cheap for all we know There are a lot of Guards hitting the market they can always take a swing on a guard in the draft and or a center and move Gates back to Guard. Starting Center in the draft might be easier to find in the 3rd or 4th rounds.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 10, 2021 16:25:43 GMT -5
hahaha- he wasn’t cut due to money. hello? Hello. Yes, you don’t pay $14M for regressing veterans coming off their worst season. . . . it’s much easier for you to make that call only after he was cut. By 5:30 you’ll have us the NFC favorite lol
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Post by allnygin on Mar 10, 2021 16:26:01 GMT -5
The good news was the oline did get progressively better and even resemebled an NFL offensive line towards the end. The bad news Lemiuex still sucks in pass coverage, flemming is likely gone and now Zietler who if we're being honest was on the decline regardless. My guess they'll go after some bargin FA WRs score at least one, draft another lineman with pick one, go WR in rd 2 or 3. Although, I'm not even sure who's available at guard in FA maybe somebody decent will become a cap casualty like Zietler who they can get on a decent deal. With all the free agent Guards that are gonna be hitting the market we will see. Will H or Lemiuex might be able to handle it with might have been told to work on it. I do think Hernendez is servicable and at worst a decent stop gap, I loved what I saw with Lemiuex with regard to run blocking, his pass blocking is a concern. I def think they need to find another Guard at this point be it FA or draft. Not sure who's out there FA wise, but if they can get someone at least serviceable I guess its a win. Hopefully Lemiuex can grow into an all around player. Also, I hate hearing we can always get lineman in rounds 3-4 while it's been true over the course of the NFLs history it hardly works for us. If they have to invest highly then do it at this point. The oline again has to be priority esp now. We learned our lesson with OBJ.. Just invest heavily and highly in this damn line sick of it always being the pressing issue haha.
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