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Post by thetruth on Mar 10, 2021 16:26:25 GMT -5
So one of the crappiest OL in the league just cut its best lineman. OK. Insert massive need: OG
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 16:27:34 GMT -5
I am sort of trying to imagine the pocket Daniel Jones will step into...and all I am garnering is fumbles, sacks and picks. How do we even have a QB on a rookie contract and in his show me heaven or hell year ....and the first casualty being the best linemen we have? Good luck with weapons and us having no OL...personally, I would of let LW go before the guy who blocks those DT's...just because it is the show me year from Jones. Slater is now in pick 11 need...hope the fantasy fans can handle Slater over Smith, Pitts or Waddle if the choice is there at 11. Not a Guard. But in free agency you can get players in Zeitler's caliber for half of what he was making. Really? Based on last years PFF grade alone? A veteran who can zone and gap...and pass block? Good luck with that...and Slater is projected as a guard in the NFL. Versatile, quick feet...gap, zone, pull...he's the non fantasy smart pick, especially being we have two guards that can only block in one scheme on the left side...watch the film and tell me who blocks what scheme.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 10, 2021 16:28:00 GMT -5
There will be plenty of cheaper alternatives that can get the job done. A lot of teams are going to be releasing quality players this month.
A sign of the times. A lot of talent signing for a lot less than they are worth.
Zeitler wasn't worth 14m anymore.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 10, 2021 16:30:06 GMT -5
Whats the plan for guard next year?
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Post by McCherry on Mar 10, 2021 16:30:26 GMT -5
Hello. Yes, you don’t pay $14M for regressing veterans coming off their worst season. . . . it’s much easier for you to make that call only after he was cut. By 5:30 you’ll have us the NFC favorite lol Ive only been saying this all offseason. It wasn’t much of a surprise if you follow team news.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 10, 2021 16:31:17 GMT -5
So one of the crappiest OL in the league just cut its best lineman. OK. Insert massive need: OG Do you ever happen to read the tweets you quote?
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Post by thetruth on Mar 10, 2021 16:31:56 GMT -5
There will be plenty of cheaper alternatives that can get the job done. A lot of teams are going to be releasing quality players this month. A sign of the times. A lot of talent signing for a lot less than they are worth. Zeitler wasn't worth 14m anymore. I think protection for Jones is worth a lot. Considering... his production splits while under pressure or not. Those shiny weapons we get home wont help when Jones is on his back every play
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Post by Jomo on Mar 10, 2021 16:32:35 GMT -5
I cant wait to hear all the crying how our OL is the issue again next year if/when DJ and SQB are struggling to find space... Zeitler was our best OLineman. Really tough to swallow this and think we are headed in the right direction... Ill say it again, DG should have been fired a long time ago. He just keeps burying this team. We are deeper on the OL than when Zeitler arrived. His departure will hurt from a talent standpoint but it is a no brainer financially. I can also envision enough improvement among the 4 youngsters on the OL such that next year's like OL could be better than the one we had last year.
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 10, 2021 16:33:28 GMT -5
I don't know why any Giants fan would be happy about this move. Pure cap casualty and not based on performance. This move makes me not like DG a little bit more.... Completely not true. Zeitler was coming off his worst season. He definitely didn't look as good last year as he did in year one, that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 16:33:46 GMT -5
Whats the plan for guard next year? Fumbles...lots of fumbles.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 10, 2021 16:34:08 GMT -5
By cutting Zeitler we just created another hole. Can we finally start plugging holes instead of creating them? It’s like the Giants are drilling holes into their hull and plugging it with flex seal. Not only did we lose our best lineman, but we lost a veteran presence on the line. Now, Gates and Hernandez have to take that roll. Lucky for us we have two guards Lemieux and Hernandez who can’t pass protect to save their lives. Oh, did I mention we might have two 2nd year players play left and right tackle? Yeah, Daniel Jones better grow eyes in the back of his head.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 10, 2021 16:34:45 GMT -5
So one of the crappiest OL in the league just cut its best lineman. OK. Insert massive need: OG Do you ever happen to read the tweets you quote? Dont believe everything you read kiddo. Starting guards who are great pass protectors are hard to find. Whats the plan then? who are the cheaper alternatives that are as good as Zietler?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 16:35:01 GMT -5
I cant wait to hear all the crying how our OL is the issue again next year if/when DJ and SQB are struggling to find space... Zeitler was our best OLineman. Really tough to swallow this and think we are headed in the right direction... Ill say it again, DG should have been fired a long time ago. He just keeps burying this team. We are deeper on the OL than when Zeitler arrived. His departure will hurt from a talent standpoint but it is a no brainer financially. I can also envision enough improvement among the 4 youngsters on the OL such that next year's like OL could be better than the one we had last year. I'm on the boat that believes in player progression and developing young talent. With what we have now, what's available in free agency, and the upcoming draft, I think we can figure something out.
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Post by allnygin on Mar 10, 2021 16:35:13 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking, or what about even Alijah Vera-Tucker I know a G is always considered a reach with early 1st round picks, but I hear good things about him and in todays NFL if you can get a competent starter for your oline no matter what position its not a reach. Regardless, The oline still needs work. I know we need weapons, but I will not lose sleep if we go T or G with the first pick . Even though I really, really want a dynamic WR.. I know better. I have never trusted Grampa Gettleman with building a modern dynamic NFL team.. The conspiracy theorist in me is that he doesn't want a dynamic playmaker because he still believes prehistoric goober ball from the 70s still is a winning formula.and I've always thought there was someone above him that thinks the same way (Chris Mara) What a better way not to have to address this need than to have "other priorities " that fit their agenda Now ..personally they should have extended him.... So that is now a probable hole.. They forcd Tomlinson to sign elsewhere that is now a guaranteed pick in the 1st 2 days Conveniently no WRs left for our 3rd round pick and bingo He has the perfect excuse for only taking a day 3 flyer on a big bodied slowpoke slug that is best at run blocking... In which case we need to start evaluating qbs again..but the suck part is that we won't be bad enough for a premium guy ... yeah seems like a cycle.. always in need of lineman and playmakers. I think there are ways they can make this work if they play there cards right.. they can get a good wr in the draft and even a lineman, but then we're skimping on other needs like CB2, LBr, Edge rushers.. bad situation to be in really.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 10, 2021 16:35:14 GMT -5
Whats the plan for guard next year? Fumbles...lots of fumbles. Dont worry. Theres a plan. There's always a plan. Well, kind off
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 10, 2021 16:36:01 GMT -5
I can't wait to see the list of players cut league wide the next week. We might get him back very cheap for all we know What's bothering me the most?...he was a multi scheme guard, could do both zone and gap. And, he was a veteran...something an OL of rookies needs at least one quality starter. Now, we have a weaker OL...still need an X receiver...an edge, CB2....right tackle still a developing guy, DT...the board seems to hate Engram...so I guess we need a tight end...Barkley at pick 2...knee was shredded...gonna be a silly signing for contract 2 but we need a backup or two...this team has a LOT of holes with no cap, and not many picks. Should have extended... If they had to delete they have over 100 million in space starting in 2022 and that would have been easier to take a moderate dead money hit if they had to...
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 10, 2021 16:36:49 GMT -5
Anyone have Omaneh's cell number? Or John Jerry, LOL Remember there were some John Jerry fans on the old boards... For some reason I feel like it was the original poster of this thread, LOL
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Mar 10, 2021 16:36:51 GMT -5
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Post by McCherry on Mar 10, 2021 16:37:09 GMT -5
Do you ever happen to read the tweets you quote? Dont believe everything you read kiddo.Starting guards who are great pass protectors are hard to find. Whats the plan then? who are the cheaper alternatives that are as good as Zietler? No, but Dan Duggan and Jordan Ranaan know more about Giants football than you or I ever will.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 10, 2021 16:37:19 GMT -5
We are deeper on the OL than when Zeitler arrived. His departure will hurt from a talent standpoint but it is a no brainer financially. I can also envision enough improvement among the 4 youngsters on the OL such that next year's like OL could be better than the one we had last year. I'm on the boat that believes in player progression and developing young talent. With what we have now, what's available in free agency and the draft I think we can figure something out. If only all progression was linear. Then i'd be on board with this logic.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 10, 2021 16:38:27 GMT -5
OOF sucks that we had to get rid of our most consistent OL, but due to cap restrictions we HAD to make this move Who knows, maybe we can re-sign and restructure him. Or would we have to pick up where we left off salary-wise instead of signing him to a whole new deal. This makes Wyatt Davis from Ohio St and Creed Humphrey from Oklahoma seem much more intriguing in the 2nd round, because I dont know how how much confidence I have in Lemieux and Hernandez as our starting guards... I guess that could work if we had a SOLID RT, but we dont. Maybe we draft Rashawn Slater, start him at RT with Hernandez and Lemieux as OG's and if 1 of them cant hang, move Slater inside and start Peart? Kase, I do think they're going with Lemuix and Hernandez as starters. Fleming is a FA, I think staff needs to see more out of Pert to move to starter. In the meantime Solder starts after restructure. Rookie Guard coming in draft I would think. To me Davis in the 2nd rd would be like getting a 1st rd pick. The same as I felt when we drafted Hernandez. But a lot of directions to go in that all important 2nd rd pick. Guess we see what we look like in FA after the smoke clears.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 10, 2021 16:38:29 GMT -5
Dont believe everything you read kiddo.Starting guards who are great pass protectors are hard to find. Whats the plan then? who are the cheaper alternatives that are as good as Zietler? No, but Dan Duggan and Jordan Ranaan know more about Giants football than you or I ever will. Rats, you got me!!!!!! Well. We should be fine then gents nothing to discuss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 16:40:08 GMT -5
What's bothering me the most?...he was a multi scheme guard, could do both zone and gap. And, he was a veteran...something an OL of rookies needs at least one quality starter. Now, we have a weaker OL...still need an X receiver...an edge, CB2....right tackle still a developing guy, DT...the board seems to hate Engram...so I guess we need a tight end...Barkley at pick 2...knee was shredded...gonna be a silly signing for contract 2 but we need a backup or two...this team has a LOT of holes with no cap, and not many picks. Should have extended... If they had to delete they have over 100 million in space starting in 2022 and that would have been easier to take a moderate dead money hit if they had to... An extension would've made the 2022 dead money hit a bigger number. The available cap number in 2022 is larger because we have players that need/warrent contract extensions at that time, why muddle that process with a larger dead money hit from a over the hill player? Part ways a year early than a year late is my view.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 16:40:40 GMT -5
I'm on the boat that believes in player progression and developing young talent. With what we have now, what's available in free agency and the draft I think we can figure something out. If only all progression was linear. Then i'd be on board with this logic. There's risk in all aspects of life.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 10, 2021 16:41:06 GMT -5
Anyone have Omaneh's cell number? Or John Jerry, LOL Remember there were some John Jerry fans on the old boards... For some reason I feel like it was the original poster of this thread, LOL Forgot this gem!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 16:42:15 GMT -5
Anyone have Omaneh's cell number? Or John Jerry, LOL Remember there were some John Jerry fans on the old boards... For some reason I feel like it was the original poster of this thread, LOL Ummm... negative, sir. "feel" harder
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Post by jb456 on Mar 10, 2021 16:42:35 GMT -5
Actually, even though you can designate a player as a post June 1 cut, the team must remain under the cap and only sees the benefit post June 1. Translation, this would only be beneficial if the Giants wanted to sign players after June 1 or if they wanted additional contingency for the season. I just read that the other day. I think its legit though Yeah June 1st is when we would need the money for draft picks Agree. I think most of these guys usually hold out until right before camp starts these days. The point I was trying to make was that the Giants would only see a benefit of the $6M now, and then they would see the incremental benefit after June 1.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 10, 2021 16:43:42 GMT -5
If only all progression was linear. Then i'd be on board with this logic. There's risk in all aspects of life. Doesn't make cutting your best lineman any more sensible. How are we backfilling?? draft? we have more needs than picks at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 16:44:47 GMT -5
There's risk in all aspects of life. Doesn't make cutting your best lineman any more sensible. How are we backfilling?? Our "best lineman" is relative. Eating a pile of shit is better than being burned alive or drowning to death. Relative.
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 10, 2021 16:46:10 GMT -5
Well hopefully we get 2019 Hernandez not 2020 Hernandez
Let's also hope Lemieux makes a big leap in 2021
Oh shit, we also need a RT.....
Maybe Rashawn Slater ISNT the worst idea, dude is a day 1 starter at RT or RG
There are also a few day 2 or 3 guys that intrigue me like: Wyatt Davis, Creed Humphrey, Ben Cleveland, Dave Moore, Jackson Carman, Jaylon Mayfield, or Teven Jenkins
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