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Post by vinnie on Oct 6, 2021 11:05:11 GMT -5
So with LBs being a weakness would anyone take a chance on him? At a huge cost reduction of course.
The Cowboys owe him his full salary this year. I would take him in a heartbeat. Tackling machine. Has not missed a single game as a pro. Fast as hell.
1,000% no. He was one of the most over rated and hated players on that team. His “tackling machine” stats are extremely misleading and come from making tackles 10 yards downfield. His angles suck, his awareness sucks, he’s an absolute tool. I wouldn’t want him kn this team if he played for free. The last thing we need is another Gettleman reclamation project, been there done that and they have largely been failures.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 6, 2021 11:12:06 GMT -5
Sources saying the Cowboys initially tried to trade Smith with no takers. Very telling. Because if teams know the Cowboys are going to release him... why take on his contract? Just wait until he is released. Clear waivers. Then sign as a UFA. I'll be shocked if he's not on the Chiefs.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Oct 6, 2021 11:17:11 GMT -5
Smith was cut because of poor performance for the cost and because Dallas is getting a ton of players back in the next few weeks off of IR and there are frankly better prospects. There is some talk that he's become a distraction because of attitude and not starting. Now he has started the last couple of weeks because Keanu Neal was out with COVID Protocol but Neal is coming back this week and fits Dallas' base scheme better. Dallas is flush at LB. They drafted Parson's and Jabril Cox (LSU) this year. They have several more in the stable waiting. Don't look for LVE to be on the team next year. Now if you want a big MLB there's your guy (LVE). Big and strong. He's really muscled up this year. yeah if he can stay healthy tho He's not an injury problem other than he is regressing because of the college injury, nerve damage (actually innervation to muscle groups), and traumatic arthritis. I can't recall him missing a game because of acute injury.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Oct 6, 2021 11:54:21 GMT -5
I really haven't seen him play this year, but a lot of people are saying that he has dropped off a lot physically. Just not sure that he is a "we got to have" kind of guy at this point. Guess it depends on what kind of money he wants. No one knows if he has dropped off physically except the Dallas coaches and doctors. No talking head or Dallas fan saying that he has dropped off physically can be taken seriously. So you can't see and evaluate a players performance if you are a fan? I can promise that opposing coaches could see and evaluate his performance and probably salivate thinking about him being in the lineup and probably design and call plays to take advantage of his lack of peripheral pursuit and acceleration. JS is ok in a straight line for a 225 lb LB'er. scheme fit is debatable as DQ depends on his LB's making plays and even Stevie Wonder could see that JS wasn't making plays. Those others that played that position were making plays (Neal and Parsons). Let's be clear about one thing, if he was a team asset he wouldn't be job hunting today.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 6, 2021 12:08:22 GMT -5
yeah if he can stay healthy tho He's not an injury problem other than he is regressing because of the college injury, nerve damage (actually innervation to muscle groups), and traumatic arthritis. I can't recall him missing a game because of acute injury. Are you talking about LVE? I was
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Post by repeatchamps on Oct 6, 2021 13:06:42 GMT -5
No one knows if he has dropped off physically except the Dallas coaches and doctors. No talking head or Dallas fan saying that he has dropped off physically can be taken seriously. So you can't see and evaluate a players performance if you are a fan? I can promise that opposing coaches could see and evaluate his performance and probably salivate thinking about him being in the lineup and probably design and call plays to take advantage of his lack of peripheral pursuit and acceleration. JS is ok in a straight line for a 225 lb LB'er. scheme fit is debatable as DQ depends on his LB's making plays and even Stevie Wonder could see that JS wasn't making plays. Those others that played that position were making plays (Neal and Parsons). Let's be clear about one thing, if he was a team asset he wouldn't be job hunting today. You absolutely can evaluate him but to know for certain his bad play or what people are perceiving as bad play is directly related to his physical limitations is purely speculative. Other coaches and doctors across the league will know more than a fan or a talking head probably but until they evaluate the guy in their programs they can only know so much.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Oct 6, 2021 13:13:58 GMT -5
He's not an injury problem other than he is regressing because of the college injury, nerve damage (actually innervation to muscle groups), and traumatic arthritis. I can't recall him missing a game because of acute injury. Are you talking about LVE? I was No sir, sorry. Talking about Jaylon Smith. LVE will be available next year. I don't think Dallas will resign him. They didn't pick up his 5th year rookie option last spring. He did spend the off-season weight training and looks slower to me. He bulked up and strengthened to help with the neck injuries.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Oct 6, 2021 13:20:22 GMT -5
So you can't see and evaluate a players performance if you are a fan? I can promise that opposing coaches could see and evaluate his performance and probably salivate thinking about him being in the lineup and probably design and call plays to take advantage of his lack of peripheral pursuit and acceleration. JS is ok in a straight line for a 225 lb LB'er. scheme fit is debatable as DQ depends on his LB's making plays and even Stevie Wonder could see that JS wasn't making plays. Those others that played that position were making plays (Neal and Parsons). Let's be clear about one thing, if he was a team asset he wouldn't be job hunting today. You absolutely can evaluate him but to know for certain his bad play or what people are perceiving as bad play is directly related to his physical limitations is purely speculative. Other coaches and doctors across the league will know more than a fan or a talking head probably but until they evaluate the guy in their programs they can only know so much. I agree we don't know if it's medical his reason for degradation of playing ability. We can see it and speculate so you are correct, we as fans don't have a reason for his fall-off in performance. There are also rumors that since losing his starting position there are locker room negatives from him (Jaylon). No insider/talking head repeating of this, yet.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 6, 2021 13:24:31 GMT -5
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Post by repeatchamps on Oct 6, 2021 13:33:21 GMT -5
Heard from the Dallas doctors and coaches directly? If not he can take what he has heard and stick it you know where.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 6, 2021 15:02:23 GMT -5
Are you talking about LVE? I was No sir, sorry. Talking about Jaylon Smith. LVE will be available next year. I don't think Dallas will resign him. They didn't pick up his 5th year rookie option last spring. He did spend the off-season weight training and looks slower to me. He bulked up and strengthened to help with the neck injuries. cool. I must ask, what's is and with that username hehehe
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 6, 2021 15:16:59 GMT -5
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 6, 2021 15:34:41 GMT -5
What does Banks know about being a LB?? Nothing, obviously. I'm just waiting to hear from recreational flag football players to chime in. this board seems to be loaded with these guys, allpros all of them...
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Oct 6, 2021 15:59:02 GMT -5
No sir, sorry. Talking about Jaylon Smith. LVE will be available next year. I don't think Dallas will resign him. They didn't pick up his 5th year rookie option last spring. He did spend the off-season weight training and looks slower to me. He bulked up and strengthened to help with the neck injuries. cool. I must ask, what's is and with that username hehehe You know guano is another name for poop. OK, I use this around the web in a few places. I guess you've figured out I'm a Cowboy fan. I absolutely despise the Eagles, their organization, the attitudes. but mostly the fans. They are so obnoxious and out front. ESPN even did a special about the Eagle's fans hate for Dallas. I took it all in stride (I'm an old guy) until they cheered Michael Irvin's neck injury. Now, I'm no great Irvin fan but that was way beyond classless. So now, hopefully we have something in common . . . despite for the Eagles. All of this I've posted here before. On a side note I actually pulled for/cheered for the NYG in their 2 SB's against the Patsies. I do respect the Giant organization as one of the founding League organizations and as one with class. I know folks say that New Yorkers are hard and crass and I can see that. I've only flown through there, never visited although considered moving there about 20 years ago but have made a fairly close friend via the internet from upstate (Giants fan, not Bills) and we have fishing in common. We've had that talk (about the people). Texas folks are pretty easy going and friendly but that is changing. So, I don't feel near the animosity toward the Giants that I do for Philthy. I won't even fly through Philthy. (I go to Maine frequently, wife is from NB, Can). All that said I still want our Cowboys to BTHO your Giants Sunday! Bob
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Oct 6, 2021 16:17:00 GMT -5
I guess you've figured out I'm a Cowboy fan
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 6, 2021 16:24:50 GMT -5
Nothing, obviously. I'm just waiting to hear from recreational flag football players to chime in. this board seems to be loaded with these guys, allpros all of them... You’ll get there soon enough. Just keep posting..
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Post by thetruth on Oct 6, 2021 16:26:49 GMT -5
would be a perfect Dave Gettlemen move. if im being honest it'd be great for Madden. We know thats important, my 3-3-5 scheme needs some off-ball LBs.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 6, 2021 16:34:18 GMT -5
This is how that conversation went before his release
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Post by Easy E on Oct 6, 2021 17:01:33 GMT -5
Looks like the Packers got Smith.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 6, 2021 17:08:31 GMT -5
Just signed with Green Bay
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 6, 2021 17:34:41 GMT -5
Heard from the Dallas doctors and coaches directly? If not he can take what he has heard and stick it you know where. Except that you have no contrary information to dispute this
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 6, 2021 18:24:05 GMT -5
Why was he released? Keep in mind, we don’t need more problems than we got now. Was it an injury? He was released because they have a ton of LBs and will not be able to afford him next season. So they release him now, take the cap hit this season and are free next season. He is healthy and is not an off the field concern. If this is correct ...... We haven't signed him yet ?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 6, 2021 18:27:57 GMT -5
If, Smith is claimed by any team. That team must take over Dallas contract. Smith , will then clear waivers . We can't afford that and I don't think we want to. So if he clears waivers then can there be a new contract ?
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Post by vinnie on Oct 6, 2021 18:28:06 GMT -5
would be a perfect Dave Gettlemen move. if im being honest it'd be great for Madden. We know thats important, my 3-3-5 scheme needs some off-ball LBs. I guarantee the majority of Cowboys fans would be ecstatic to see Jaylon on our defense and would laugh and laugh when he celebrates for making a tackle ten yards down field.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 6, 2021 18:46:53 GMT -5
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 6, 2021 18:56:41 GMT -5
They need to figure out a way to bring him in. Defense is in a desperate state of suckiness and desperate measures are required. Have you watched him play this year? Saw 1 full game with a friend...same name, not in anyway the same guy. Dallas, already on the hook for his salary, gave him every chance to hold a roster spot before deciding he wasn't able to play at a back-up level.
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 6, 2021 18:57:46 GMT -5
Smith has a degenerative knee condition?
(That Lavar contract was insane)
Yes. His college knee injury really destroyed his knee. He almost had his leg amputated I believe. That is not what a degenerative knee is though. His career was almost over due to that injury but that is very different than a degenerative knee. Jaylon Smith and Todd Gurley are very different in terms of their knee injuries. I'm not saying the guy is healthy and honestly when I made this post yesterday I was excited because of my fond memories of Smith at Notre Dame. 24 hours later I am on the "either way is fine with me" bandwagon.
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Post by piddy283 on Oct 6, 2021 19:06:26 GMT -5
My two Cowboys insiders (my buddy and my cousin) are not upset about losing Smith. Per both of them, he's lost a step and doesn't make the impact he once did.
As much as we may want a LB, signing a one who's lost a step and has an injury history like Smith's doesn't seem like a smart move. Especially when you consider the contract involved.
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Post by repeatchamps on Oct 6, 2021 19:09:26 GMT -5
Looks like the Packers got Smith. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 Yay we can get ready to watch this Giants defense get slaughtered against this murderer's row schedule coming up.👎
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 6, 2021 19:09:39 GMT -5
So with LBs being a weakness would anyone take a chance on him? At a huge cost reduction of course. The Cowboys owe him his full salary this year. I would take him in a heartbeat. Tackling machine. Has not missed a single game as a pro. Fast as hell.
Banks said something earlier that he needs “reprogramming” as a LB. Not sure what that means but it doesn’t sound good. Also does he fit a 3-4? I know we run a hybrid but for the most part we run a lot of 3-4 sets. Lastly I don’t think we have enough cap space and unfortunately there are other teams, viewed as better, who do. I’m sure he’ll go to one of those teams. Reprogramming to me sounds a hell of a lot better than "that guys stinks at football" lol. Seems like what is wrong with him is based on what he was being asked to do. I do think as a 3-4 MLB he would be much better off, just an opinion though.
You are right about the cap space. This year would cost nothing since Dallas has to pay him $7m. I'm not sure anyone will offer him a long term deal this year anyway. You are right, it's not simply "if we want him we get him", these guys have choices. I think he is worth a look at least. Garrett should have some insight I would imagine.
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