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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 9:26:07 GMT -5
In a nutshell......We are a team that has seen the league pass us by.
In 2017, John Mara, the owner OF THE PAST....Hired Dave Gettleman...The GM OF THE PAST.
Dave was determined to reinstate our QB OF THE PAST. He was committed to his philosophy OF THE PAST. He drafted the QB who reminded him of our QB FROM THE PAST.
So here we are, a team of the past with a record from the deepest recesses of our past....Those glorious years of the 70's where we weren't just bad. We were an embarrassment. We were a laughing stock. The words "New York Giants" were synonymous with losing. We are close to that now.
The league has changed more in the last 10 years than any time since they created the forward pass, yet we are standing still. These young coaches, combined with the profound rules changes have created a new game. And John Mara needs to step aside and allow the Giants join the 21st century.
The fixes needed here are profound. This may be a long slog. At least we have 4 SB championships to remember, but they are getting smaller and smaller in our collective rear view mirror.
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 18, 2021 9:30:37 GMT -5
In a nutshell......We are a team that has seen the league pass us by.
In 2017, John Mara, the owner OF THE PAST....Hired Dave Gettleman...The GM OF THE PAST.
Dave was determined to reinstate our QB OF THE PAST. He was committed to his philosophy OF THE PAST. He drafted the QB who reminded him of our QB FROM THE PAST.
So here we are, a team of the past with a record from the deepest recesses of our past....Those glorious years of the 70's where we weren't just bad. We were an embarrassment. We were a laughing stock. The words "New York Giants" were synonymous with losing. We are close to that now.
The league has changed more in the last 10 years than any time since they created the forward pass, yet we are standing still. These young coaches, combined with the profound rules changes have created a new game. And John Mara needs to step aside and allow the Giants join the 21st century.
The fixes needed here are profound. This may be a long slog. At least we have 4 SB championships to remember, but they are getting smaller and smaller in our collective rear view mirror.
I still don't understand how DG was gm of the past? He literally was helping the Panthers field a competitive team right up until he came to the giants. They didn't like how he handled egotistical players that wanted giant contracts. Can you really disagree with him on that though?? People just wanted a fresh new outsider. Like Riddick or whoever. Well they got one in Judge, right? And now people want him gone. Even Shurmur was an outsider as HC. And Riddick would've been a trainwreck. But yeah, the giants have absolutely lacked good coordinators and a good HC.. And they had two HC/OCs that totally stifled their offenses with one dimensional approaches. I think Dave has done more good than bad in terms of player acquisition. His biggest mistake might've been going from 4-3 to 3-4 though. Was logically inconsistent with "win now"
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Post by Martin on Oct 18, 2021 9:32:39 GMT -5
This move into the 21st century all depends on John Mara letting go of control of football operations. If that happens there is hope otherwise doom.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 9:35:15 GMT -5
In a nutshell......We are a team that has seen the league pass us by.
In 2017, John Mara, the owner OF THE PAST....Hired Dave Gettleman...The GM OF THE PAST.
Dave was determined to reinstate our QB OF THE PAST. He was committed to his philosophy OF THE PAST. He drafted the QB who reminded him of our QB FROM THE PAST.
So here we are, a team of the past with a record from the deepest recesses of our past....Those glorious years of the 70's where we weren't just bad. We were an embarrassment. We were a laughing stock. The words "New York Giants" were synonymous with losing. We are close to that now.
The league has changed more in the last 10 years than any time since they created the forward pass, yet we are standing still. These young coaches, combined with the profound rules changes have created a new game. And John Mara needs to step aside and allow the Giants join the 21st century.
The fixes needed here are profound. This may be a long slog. At least we have 4 SB championships to remember, but they are getting smaller and smaller in our collective rear view mirror.
I still don't understand how DG was gm of the past? He literally was helping the Panthers field a competitive team right up until he came to the giants. They didn't like how he handled egotistical players that wanted giant contracts. Can you really disagree with him on that though?? People just wanted a fresh new outsider. Like Riddick or whoever. Well they got one in Judge, right? And now people want him gone. Even Shurmur was an outsider as HC. And Riddick would've been a trainwreck. But yeah, the giants have absolutely lacked good coordinators and a good HC.. And they had two HC/OCs that totally stifled their offenses with one dimensional approaches. Now they have Mara's boy doing the same "I know Eli won me two rings" That from his first week as Giants GM. That's when I knew we were screwed.
Then he drafts a RB with the greatest piece of draft capital we've ever had.
I have no idea who we should have hired as GM. I don't know who Mara was "going to" interview. Don't forget he canceled interviews and hired Dave immediately. You mention Riddick. I had no idea who he even was then. So I'm not sure what the relevance of that is.
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Post by Martin on Oct 18, 2021 9:35:28 GMT -5
In a nutshell......We are a team that has seen the league pass us by.
In 2017, John Mara, the owner OF THE PAST....Hired Dave Gettleman...The GM OF THE PAST.
Dave was determined to reinstate our QB OF THE PAST. He was committed to his philosophy OF THE PAST. He drafted the QB who reminded him of our QB FROM THE PAST.
So here we are, a team of the past with a record from the deepest recesses of our past....Those glorious years of the 70's where we weren't just bad. We were an embarrassment. We were a laughing stock. The words "New York Giants" were synonymous with losing. We are close to that now.
The league has changed more in the last 10 years than any time since they created the forward pass, yet we are standing still. These young coaches, combined with the profound rules changes have created a new game. And John Mara needs to step aside and allow the Giants join the 21st century.
The fixes needed here are profound. This may be a long slog. At least we have 4 SB championships to remember, but they are getting smaller and smaller in our collective rear view mirror.
I still don't understand how DG was gm of the past? He literally was helping the Panthers field a competitive team right up until he came to the giants. They didn't like how he handled egotistical players that wanted giant contracts. Can you really disagree with him on that though?? People just wanted a fresh new outsider. Like Riddick or whoever. Well they got one in Judge, right? And now people want him gone. Even Shurmur was an outsider as HC. And Riddick would've been a trainwreck. But yeah, the giants have absolutely lacked good coordinators and a good HC.. And they had two HC/OCs that totally stifled their offenses with one dimensional approaches. I think Dave has done more good than bad in terms of player acquisition. His biggest mistake might've been going from 4-3 to 3-4 though. Was logically inconsistent with "win now" Complete folly! Your not seeing the big picture. Your trying to fix the tires and paint on a car when its the engine that's broken. The drive train and the steering.
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 18, 2021 9:43:01 GMT -5
I still don't understand how DG was gm of the past? He literally was helping the Panthers field a competitive team right up until he came to the giants. They didn't like how he handled egotistical players that wanted giant contracts. Can you really disagree with him on that though?? People just wanted a fresh new outsider. Like Riddick or whoever. Well they got one in Judge, right? And now people want him gone. Even Shurmur was an outsider as HC. And Riddick would've been a trainwreck. But yeah, the giants have absolutely lacked good coordinators and a good HC.. And they had two HC/OCs that totally stifled their offenses with one dimensional approaches. I think Dave has done more good than bad in terms of player acquisition. His biggest mistake might've been going from 4-3 to 3-4 though. Was logically inconsistent with "win now" Complete folly! Your not seeing the big picture. Your trying to fix the tires and paint on a car when its the engine that's broken. The drive train and the steering. Well it meant getting rid of their best players. The root cause was years of injuries and bad draft picks. Jon Goff, plays 2010, looks promising; out for career next year. That kind of shit is debilitating. Look at Nicks and Cruz. Those guys should've been Harrison and Wayne. They had 1 season together as a truly healthy tandem. And in the trenches they either had bad picks or bad injuries. And for a long time Reese totally ignored the OL. The DL eventually suffered too after 2010. He never retooled that DL until he brought in Vernon and Harrison on big deals. No homegrown talent..that's bad coaching and bad talent acquisition. So I see what you mean. There was a bad locker room culture. But you can have a great 4-3 just like you can have a great 3-4. Switching just forces them to rebuild the D from the ground up....while trying to win with their aging franchise QB who is playing behind a terrible OL..
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 18, 2021 9:44:04 GMT -5
I still don't understand how DG was gm of the past? He literally was helping the Panthers field a competitive team right up until he came to the giants. They didn't like how he handled egotistical players that wanted giant contracts. Can you really disagree with him on that though?? People just wanted a fresh new outsider. Like Riddick or whoever. Well they got one in Judge, right? And now people want him gone. Even Shurmur was an outsider as HC. And Riddick would've been a trainwreck. But yeah, the giants have absolutely lacked good coordinators and a good HC.. And they had two HC/OCs that totally stifled their offenses with one dimensional approaches. Now they have Mara's boy doing the same "I know Eli won me two rings" That from his first week as Giants GM. That's when I knew we were screwed.
Then he drafts a RB with the greatest piece of draft capital we've ever had.
I have no idea who we should have hired as GM. I don't know who Mara was "going to" interview. Don't forget he canceled interviews and hired Dave immediately. You mention Riddick. I had no idea who he even was then. So I'm not sure what the relevance of that is.
I feel that QB has never been and still isn't the teams problem though. Eli was fine. He was playing in the wrong scheme with bad OL
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 9:49:44 GMT -5
"I know Eli won me two rings" That from his first week as Giants GM. That's when I knew we were screwed.
Then he drafts a RB with the greatest piece of draft capital we've ever had.
I have no idea who we should have hired as GM. I don't know who Mara was "going to" interview. Don't forget he canceled interviews and hired Dave immediately. You mention Riddick. I had no idea who he even was then. So I'm not sure what the relevance of that is.
I feel that QB has never been and still isn't the teams problem though. Eli was fine. He was playing in the wrong scheme with bad OL OK...So you're a fan OF THE PAST.
Maybe John Mara is counting on you for affirmation. Maybe THAT'S the problem here. Too many fans willing to give everyone a pass.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 9:53:49 GMT -5
In a nutshell......We are a team that has seen the league pass us by.
In 2017, John Mara, the owner OF THE PAST....Hired Dave Gettleman...The GM OF THE PAST.
Dave was determined to reinstate our QB OF THE PAST. He was committed to his philosophy OF THE PAST. He drafted the QB who reminded him of our QB FROM THE PAST.
So here we are, a team of the past with a record from the deepest recesses of our past....Those glorious years of the 70's where we weren't just bad. We were an embarrassment. We were a laughing stock. The words "New York Giants" were synonymous with losing. We are close to that now.
The league has changed more in the last 10 years than any time since they created the forward pass, yet we are standing still. These young coaches, combined with the profound rules changes have created a new game. And John Mara needs to step aside and allow the Giants join the 21st century.
The fixes needed here are profound. This may be a long slog. At least we have 4 SB championships to remember, but they are getting smaller and smaller in our collective rear view mirror.
In a way (and yes I risk the ire of a few here )a lot of fans got exactly what they wanted. How many old school fans wanted to go back to a prehistoric way of playing,especially resenting Reese correct take that football was becoming basketball on grass? Bring in a GM that spoon fed these fans exactly what they wanted to hear,trade away a then dynamic playmaker the old school fans despised because he was not "true old school Giants football,then proceed to draft a qb and ignore drafting anything other than a 5th round stab at WR and a 7tb round OT surrounding him witb anything until having to the next 2 drafts.. We got the exact football many of these fans wanted last year...guess what It sucked....as I predicted Not saying Reddick would have done any better...especially considering we would be on a rookie qb reset this year and not been able to trade back with probably a new GM as well... If anything we are mirroring the Bears in having an old fogie stuck in the past running a team the same way he has for decades (except for lighting in a bottle in the mid 80s they have been the same old bears)
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 18, 2021 9:57:18 GMT -5
I feel that QB has never been and still isn't the teams problem though. Eli was fine. He was playing in the wrong scheme with bad OL OK...So you're a fan OF THE PAST.
Maybe John Mara is counting on you for affirmation. Maybe THAT'S the problem here. Too many fans willing to give everyone a pass.
Oh my god the projection is marvelous lol. So is Tom Brady the past? Is Tom Brady still a winning QB? Was Brees the past last season?? I'm.not saying no to prepare.for the future at all. Eli just wasn't THE PROBLEM as to why the TEAM had been losing in various ways since the 2nd half of 2012. A year removed from a super bowl win My point is that Great pocket QBs last a while if you protect them.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 10:00:39 GMT -5
OK...So you're a fan OF THE PAST.
Maybe John Mara is counting on you for affirmation. Maybe THAT'S the problem here. Too many fans willing to give everyone a pass.
Oh my god the projection is marvelous lol. So is Tom Brady the past? Is Tom Brady still a winning QB? Was Brees the past last season?? I'm.not saying no to prepare.for the future at all. Eli just wasn't THE PROBLEM as to why the TEAM had been losing in various ways since the 2nd half of 2012. A year removed from a super bowl win My point is that Great pocket QBs last a while if you protect them. Tom Brady is great. True greatness trumps everything.
And Eli wasn't the problem but he was definitely one of them. But that is a side show as far as I'm concerned. It's about the overall attitude and philosophy of the organization. It was an attempt to recapture the glory of the past with the same formula of the past. All while the league was moving in a completely different direction.
The league is forever changing and our feet are stuck in concrete.
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Post by Martin on Oct 18, 2021 10:01:20 GMT -5
Complete folly! Your not seeing the big picture. Your trying to fix the tires and paint on a car when its the engine that's broken. The drive train and the steering. Well it meant getting rid of their best players. The root cause was years of injuries and bad draft picks. Jon Goff, plays 2010, looks promising; out for career next year. That kind of shit is debilitating. Look at Nicks and Cruz. Those guys should've been Harrison and Wayne. They had 1 season together as a truly healthy tandem. And in the trenches they either had bad picks or bad injuries. And for a long time Reese totally ignored the OL. The DL eventually suffered too after 2010. He never retooled that DL until he brought in Vernon and Harrison on big deals. No homegrown talent..that's bad coaching and bad talent acquisition. So I see what you mean. There was a bad locker room culture. But you can have a great 4-3 just like you can have a great 3-4. Switching just forces them to rebuild the D from the ground up....while trying to win with their aging franchise QB who is playing behind a terrible OL.. By the way I meant no disrespect. I am a CEO for many years and its so hard watch the Giants anymore knowing there system is so flawed. I still watch though but without major system changes this team cannot change in the way fans want them to change. It will be a band aide approach which will account for nothing. So when we talk 3 -4 4-3 hybrid D and OC and DC and GM and all the x's and o's it doesn't mean anything will have a big effect long term for the future. Their system must change if they want success.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 10:01:45 GMT -5
Oh my god the projection is marvelous lol. So is Tom Brady the past? Is Tom Brady still a winning QB? Was Brees the past last season?? I'm.not saying no to prepare.for the future at all. Eli just wasn't THE PROBLEM as to why the TEAM had been losing in various ways since the 2nd half of 2012. A year removed from a super bowl win My point is that Great pocket QBs last a while if you protect them. Tom Brady is great. True greatness trumps everything.
And Eli wasn't the problem but he was definitely one of them. But that is a side show as far as I'm concerned. It's about the overall attitude and philosophy of the organization. It was an attempt to recapture the glory of the past with the same formula of the past. All while the league was moving in a completely different direction.
Yeah The prehistoric 1979 past it seemed
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Post by idkaname on Oct 18, 2021 10:02:18 GMT -5
At least we have Joe Fudge 🍫 to Dave us…. 🥁
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 18, 2021 10:09:52 GMT -5
In a nutshell......We are a team that has seen the league pass us by.
In 2017, John Mara, the owner OF THE PAST....Hired Dave Gettleman...The GM OF THE PAST.
Dave was determined to reinstate our QB OF THE PAST. He was committed to his philosophy OF THE PAST. He drafted the QB who reminded him of our QB FROM THE PAST.
So here we are, a team of the past with a record from the deepest recesses of our past....Those glorious years of the 70's where we weren't just bad. We were an embarrassment. We were a laughing stock. The words "New York Giants" were synonymous with losing. We are close to that now.
The league has changed more in the last 10 years than any time since they created the forward pass, yet we are standing still. These young coaches, combined with the profound rules changes have created a new game. And John Mara needs to step aside and allow the Giants join the 21st century.
The fixes needed here are profound. This may be a long slog. At least we have 4 SB championships to remember, but they are getting smaller and smaller in our collective rear view mirror.
It's funny how the team goes from Joe Judge's when things are pointing up, back to Dave and John Mara when things are bad. But don't get me wrong, this is not meant as an endorsement of anyone.
I have no idea what to make of this team any longer, but I do know this. The problem with the NY Giants goes well beyond Dave Gettleman. Who among you have a shred of confidence in John Mara and Steve Tisch to pick a successor, and why should you? A new GM should be allowed to assemble his own front office and coaching staff, but does anyone expect that to happen here?
For a team many consider old school, the Giants have ignored the most fundamental aspect to this game. Winning begins in the trenches.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 18, 2021 10:32:38 GMT -5
In a nutshell......We are a team that has seen the league pass us by.
In 2017, John Mara, the owner OF THE PAST....Hired Dave Gettleman...The GM OF THE PAST.
Dave was determined to reinstate our QB OF THE PAST. He was committed to his philosophy OF THE PAST. He drafted the QB who reminded him of our QB FROM THE PAST.
So here we are, a team of the past with a record from the deepest recesses of our past....Those glorious years of the 70's where we weren't just bad. We were an embarrassment. We were a laughing stock. The words "New York Giants" were synonymous with losing. We are close to that now.
The league has changed more in the last 10 years than any time since they created the forward pass, yet we are standing still. These young coaches, combined with the profound rules changes have created a new game. And John Mara needs to step aside and allow the Giants join the 21st century.
The fixes needed here are profound. This may be a long slog. At least we have 4 SB championships to remember, but they are getting smaller and smaller in our collective rear view mirror.
It's funny how the team goes from Joe Judge's when things are pointing up, back to Dave and John Mara when things are bad. But don't get me wrong, this is not meant as an endorsement of anyone.
I have no idea what to make of this team any longer, but I do know this. The problem with the NY Giants goes well beyond Dave Gettleman. Who among you have a shred of confidence in John Mara and Steve Tisch to pick a successor, and why should we? A new GM should be allowed to assemble his own front office and coaching staff, but does anyone expect that to happen here?
For a team many consider old school, the Giants have ignored the most fundamental aspect to this game. Winning begins in the trenches.
Rosie the PFF grades came today to your point, the OL can no longer sustain any more losses only player to grade positively is Will Hernandez we had 3 guys single digit grades or 0. Our edge guys 0 pressures yes Stafford had some pressure from Williams or Lawrence or a blitzing DB fromm time to time, They can not win games with a shell of the roster on offense and little to no pass rush on defense. Change is needed don't who or how they will fix this mess staying healthy would be a great start and drafting legit edge defenders
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 18, 2021 10:42:00 GMT -5
In a nutshell......We are a team that has seen the league pass us by.
In 2017, John Mara, the owner OF THE PAST....Hired Dave Gettleman...The GM OF THE PAST.
Dave was determined to reinstate our QB OF THE PAST. He was committed to his philosophy OF THE PAST. He drafted the QB who reminded him of our QB FROM THE PAST.
So here we are, a team of the past with a record from the deepest recesses of our past....Those glorious years of the 70's where we weren't just bad. We were an embarrassment. We were a laughing stock. The words "New York Giants" were synonymous with losing. We are close to that now.
The league has changed more in the last 10 years than any time since they created the forward pass, yet we are standing still. These young coaches, combined with the profound rules changes have created a new game. And John Mara needs to step aside and allow the Giants join the 21st century.
The fixes needed here are profound. This may be a long slog. At least we have 4 SB championships to remember, but they are getting smaller and smaller in our collective rear view mirror.
In a way (and yes I risk the ire of a few here )a lot of fans got exactly what they wanted. How many old school fans wanted to go back to a prehistoric way of playing,especially resenting Reese correct take that football was becoming basketball on grass? Bring in a GM that spoon fed these fans exactly what they wanted to hear,trade away a then dynamic playmaker the old school fans despised because he was not "true old school Giants football,then proceed to draft a qb and ignore drafting anything other than a 5th round stab at WR and a 7tb round OT surrounding him witb anything until having to the next 2 drafts.. We got the exact football many of these fans wanted last year...guess what It sucked....as I predicted Not saying Reddick would have done any better...especially considering we would be on a rookie qb reset this year and not been able to trade back with probably a new GM as well... If anything we are mirroring the Bears in having an old fogie stuck in the past running a team the same way he has for decades (except for lighting in a bottle in the mid 80s they have been the same old bears) Reese had the right Idea but wrong approach the players needed to be good football players that were excellent athletes, we kind of went with actual great athletes that weren't that good of football players in most cases not all. He had the right Idea but still had to many issues in the draft and Gettlemen is no better he just as the last group struggles to find impact players change is needed I don't know the up and coming GMs in waiting but we need a young forward thinking guy who knows the difference between good football player and good athlete, In todays game players need to be both
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Post by Roswell on Oct 18, 2021 10:48:31 GMT -5
In a nutshell......We are a team that has seen the league pass us by.
In 2017, John Mara, the owner OF THE PAST....Hired Dave Gettleman...The GM OF THE PAST.
Dave was determined to reinstate our QB OF THE PAST. He was committed to his philosophy OF THE PAST. He drafted the QB who reminded him of our QB FROM THE PAST.
So here we are, a team of the past with a record from the deepest recesses of our past....Those glorious years of the 70's where we weren't just bad. We were an embarrassment. We were a laughing stock. The words "New York Giants" were synonymous with losing. We are close to that now.
The league has changed more in the last 10 years than any time since they created the forward pass, yet we are standing still. These young coaches, combined with the profound rules changes have created a new game. And John Mara needs to step aside and allow the Giants join the 21st century.
The fixes needed here are profound. This may be a long slog. At least we have 4 SB championships to remember, but they are getting smaller and smaller in our collective rear view mirror.
I love a post with themes. It makes me feel like I'm reading Hemingway.
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 18, 2021 10:53:27 GMT -5
It's funny how the team goes from Joe Judge's when things are pointing up, back to Dave and John Mara when things are bad. But don't get me wrong, this is not meant as an endorsement of anyone.
I have no idea what to make of this team any longer, but I do know this. The problem with the NY Giants goes well beyond Dave Gettleman. Who among you have a shred of confidence in John Mara and Steve Tisch to pick a successor, and why should we? A new GM should be allowed to assemble his own front office and coaching staff, but does anyone expect that to happen here?
For a team many consider old school, the Giants have ignored the most fundamental aspect to this game. Winning begins in the trenches.
Rosie the PFF grades came today to your point, the OL can no longer sustain any more losses only player to grade positively is Will Hernandez we had 3 guys single digit grades or 0. Our edge guys 0 pressures yes Stafford had some pressure from Williams or Lawrence or a blitzing DB fromm time to time, They can not win games with a shell of the roster on offense and little to no pass rush on defense. Change is needed don't who or how they will fix this mess staying healthy would be a great start and drafting legit edge defenders I don't know how we can look at this team and blame the front office right now 42. How many of our Olinemen came off our practice squad?
I cannot watch this team with the same intensity any longer. I put the game and if something good happens, I can watch replay it. But now I'll just expect the worst and whenever the Giants fate changes again, I'll probably get back into it.
I'm not some proud fan who lives and dies with all the losing. I didn't do it in the 90's and I'm not doing again now. I have no reason to support what I see on that field. although I do like some of the players.
What ever happened to #30? I was expecting him to be a solid player. But wasn't he the one who screwed up on the fake punt? And then on the subsequent punt, he gave up on the play before it was over. I have no patience for a player like that.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 10:54:27 GMT -5
In a nutshell......We are a team that has seen the league pass us by.
In 2017, John Mara, the owner OF THE PAST....Hired Dave Gettleman...The GM OF THE PAST.
Dave was determined to reinstate our QB OF THE PAST. He was committed to his philosophy OF THE PAST. He drafted the QB who reminded him of our QB FROM THE PAST.
So here we are, a team of the past with a record from the deepest recesses of our past....Those glorious years of the 70's where we weren't just bad. We were an embarrassment. We were a laughing stock. The words "New York Giants" were synonymous with losing. We are close to that now.
The league has changed more in the last 10 years than any time since they created the forward pass, yet we are standing still. These young coaches, combined with the profound rules changes have created a new game. And John Mara needs to step aside and allow the Giants join the 21st century.
The fixes needed here are profound. This may be a long slog. At least we have 4 SB championships to remember, but they are getting smaller and smaller in our collective rear view mirror.
It's funny how the team goes from Joe Judge's when things are pointing up, back to Dave and John Mara when things are bad. But don't get me wrong, this is not meant as an endorsement of anyone.
I have no idea what to make of this team any longer, but I do know this. The problem with the NY Giants goes well beyond Dave Gettleman. Who among you have a shred of confidence in John Mara and Steve Tisch to pick a successor, and why should we? A new GM should be allowed to assemble his own front office and coaching staff, but does anyone expect that to happen here?
For a team many consider old school, the Giants have ignored the most fundamental aspect to this game. Winning begins in the trenches.
Dave is simply a symptom of an organization with an antiquated attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 11:01:59 GMT -5
Morehead, not only are we close to being the team that people refer to when they think of losing, we ARE that team. as a dude who lives out of state and spends some time in football forums of all kinds, ill tell ya, its BAD out there. we are a punching bag and laughingstock. when i leave the house with my giants shirts and caps, i usually fend off the comments wherever i go.
think of this, any young person, teenagers, people in their early 20s' weve basically sucked their entire lives. they know nothing except we suck but won some good games a million years ago.
Im thinking more and more a lot of this is our roster just sucks - we have no depth, we have no beasts at linebacker, no real playmakers. think even sterling shep, who we mostly like, whos a good dude, how many times do we see him breakout for a big play? pretty much never, and we think of him as in the better part of our wide receivers.
we have a crap roster, sorely lacking leadership and badass dudes, theres nothing even close to a justin tuck or osi, nothing like a nicks or cruz or toomer on offense. tight ends are completely non existent.
this team blows. judge is desperate now, trying to hold the line, but he'd be better off just coming clean and being transparent about this
the giants suck, its time the coaches and front office just acknowledge it - maybe then we'd truly begin the path to getting better
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 11:08:32 GMT -5
Morehead, not only are we close to being the team that people refer to when they think of losing, we ARE that team. as a dude who lives out of state and spends some time in football forums of all kinds, ill tell ya, its BAD out there. we are a punching bag and laughingstock. when i leave the house with my giants shirts and caps, i usually fend off the comments wherever i go. think of this, any young person, teenagers, people in their early 20s' weve basically sucked their entire lives. they know nothing except we suck but won some good games a million years ago. Im thinking more and more a lot of this is our roster just sucks - we have no depth, we have no beasts at linebacker, no real playmakers. think even sterling shep, who we mostly like, whos a good dude, how many times do we see him breakout for a big play? pretty much never, and we think of him as in the better part of our wide receivers. we have a crap roster, sorely lacking leadership and badass dudes, theres nothing even close to a justin tuck or osi, nothing like a nicks or cruz or toomer on offense. tight ends are completely non existent. this team blows. judge is desperate now, trying to hold the line, but he'd be better off just coming clean and being transparent about this the giants suck, its time the coaches and front office just acknowledge it - maybe then we'd truly begin the path to getting better I suppose it's just a matter of opinion. I started as a Giants fan in 1967. My first year was Fran Tarkenton's first year. I was born in 1958 so I was 9 when I became a Giants fan.
I was 23 when I first saw my team in a playoff game. I never knew anything close to a winner throughout my entire childhood.
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 18, 2021 11:08:51 GMT -5
It's funny how the team goes from Joe Judge's when things are pointing up, back to Dave and John Mara when things are bad. But don't get me wrong, this is not meant as an endorsement of anyone.
I have no idea what to make of this team any longer, but I do know this. The problem with the NY Giants goes well beyond Dave Gettleman. Who among you have a shred of confidence in John Mara and Steve Tisch to pick a successor, and why should we? A new GM should be allowed to assemble his own front office and coaching staff, but does anyone expect that to happen here?
For a team many consider old school, the Giants have ignored the most fundamental aspect to this game. Winning begins in the trenches.
Dave is simply a symptom of an organization with an antiquated attitude.
My take is the Giants put their trust in the GM's philosophies to a fault.
How else do you explain John Mara allowing what happened to our Oline under Reese/Coughlin/McAdoo and now Gettleman/Shumur/Judge?
Let's be honest. The line fell apart under Coughlin. And it hasn't been fixed since. But we cannot get on Gettleman for the line being decimated with injuries now can we?
What QB will play well behind a line like ours?
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 11:15:01 GMT -5
Dave is simply a symptom of an organization with an antiquated attitude.
My take is the Giants put their trust in the GM's philosophies to a fault.
How else do you explain John Mara allowing what happened to our Oline under Reese/Coughlin/McAdoo and now Gettleman/Shumur/Judge?
Let's be honest. The line fell apart under Coughlin. And it hasn't been fixed since. But we cannot get on Gettleman for the line being decimated with injuries now can we?
What QB will play well behind a line like ours?
The defense has been torched for two straight weeks. Williams, Lawrence, Jackson, Peppers, McKinney, Ryan and Bradberry are all perfectly healthy.
They can't cover me. One of the problems came this last off season. Dave had to scramble to overpay free agents. He gave two guys, Golladay and Jackson, who had played a combined 8 games in 2020, huge deals. And the guaranteed money had to be back loaded because we didn't have the cap space.....so the cap hits for those two, plus Williams is going to cripple us starting next year. We mortgaged our future to be all in for 2021. But here we are....at 1-5.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 18, 2021 11:19:41 GMT -5
I can't imagine there was anybody on this board that thought our defense would regress to this level after their performance last year. I give the offense a complete pass due to the injuries.
But our D? We are 1-5 in large part because of their underachieving.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 11:20:30 GMT -5
Dave is simply a symptom of an organization with an antiquated attitude.
My take is the Giants put their trust in the GM's philosophies to a fault.
How else do you explain John Mara allowing what happened to our Oline under Reese/Coughlin/McAdoo and now Gettleman/Shumur/Judge?
Let's be honest. The line fell apart under Coughlin. And it hasn't been fixed since. But we cannot get on Gettleman for the line being decimated with injuries now can we?
What QB will play well behind a line like ours?
I'll give you that on the injuries to the O line .... no team can survive all these injuries,in fact it's a testament that we finally found a really good o line coach that it hasn't been a complete disaster all year up until the 2nd quarter of yesterday's game ... But the thing is why did we have to tie up 72 million on a good number 1 with some prior injury issues this year when there were numerous chances to draft a young playmaker that would have been a number one since 2019 and we would have a group relatively cheap with Shepard being the only contract? Bad domino effect starting with bad FA signings in 2018 never really gave us the cap room we could have had this year and next. that is the issues... We run the risk of it getting much worse if we indeed move on from Jones and he has a Drew Brees like career somewhere else while we cycle through wannabe franchise qbs like underwear the next 10 years because we neglected to give the one we drafted in 2019 as much young help early . This is why many of us think Gettleman was trapped in the past He had a 1979 mind think on how long it takes to develop a qb forgetting you legit have to know within 3 years what you have .
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 11:21:24 GMT -5
I can't imagine there was anybody on this board that thought our defense would regress to this level after their performance last year. I give the offense a complete pass due to the injuries. But our D? We are 1-5 in large part because of their underachieving. Not even playing the same scheme on the back end and everyone looks confused 😐
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Post by te88 on Oct 18, 2021 11:23:06 GMT -5
The only way out is an executive consultant given 100% control to slash and burn. The organization as a whole is broken, not just the football ops side. Someone has to come in and set the chaff on fire.
Once it is burned out you can start hiring the “football people” to put it back together. But the only way to get rid of the mindset described in the OP is a complete exorcism.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 11:26:26 GMT -5
I can't imagine there was anybody on this board that thought our defense would regress to this level after their performance last year. I give the offense a complete pass due to the injuries. But our D? We are 1-5 in large part because of their underachieving. A few thought they needed to get a couple of solid edge rushers if they were going to take a step forward.. That's looking truer each game.. So many seemed to forget how many bad QBs they played against last season and when they were against a top QB they were beaten bad..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 18, 2021 11:35:07 GMT -5
Rosie the PFF grades came today to your point, the OL can no longer sustain any more losses only player to grade positively is Will Hernandez we had 3 guys single digit grades or 0. Our edge guys 0 pressures yes Stafford had some pressure from Williams or Lawrence or a blitzing DB fromm time to time, They can not win games with a shell of the roster on offense and little to no pass rush on defense. Change is needed don't who or how they will fix this mess staying healthy would be a great start and drafting legit edge defenders I don't know how we can look at this team and blame the front office right now 42. How many of our Olinemen came off our practice squad?
I cannot watch this team with the same intensity any longer. I put the game and if something good happens, I can watch replay it. But now I'll just expect the worst and whenever the Giants fate changes again, I'll probably get back into it.
I'm not some proud fan who lives and dies with all the losing. I didn't do it in the 90's and I'm not doing again now. I have no reason to support what I see on that field. although I do like some of the players.
What ever happened to #30? I was expecting him to be a solid player. But wasn't he the one who screwed up on the fake punt? And then on the subsequent punt, he gave up on the play before it was over. I have no patience for a player like that.
There is no more anger more indifferent to what happens on the field the team is in bad shape injury wise, depending on Thomas and Toney what their time table is, Think the next 11 games are going to be about who will be here and who won't think Carter and X are to that won't not because of lack of effort but Lack of production. Carter was always a jack of all trades and might stick as an inside backer here or somewhere else. After that I'm not guessing.
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