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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 18, 2021 11:40:00 GMT -5
I can't imagine there was anybody on this board that thought our defense would regress to this level after their performance last year. I give the offense a complete pass due to the injuries. But our D? We are 1-5 in large part because of their underachieving. About a week before the season I started feeling not so sure about the D, think I posted it that we had to worry about them as well as the OL. Just watching preseason and they weren't covering that great and when the Jets Rookie moved the ball on them I was like this ain't good, and it didn't seem to improve as the preseason went along. |
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 11:40:33 GMT -5
Oh and BTW.......This entire philosophy was endorsed by the fans in 2017.
The mob protested the benching of Eli and they all might as well have been screaming "GIVE US THE PAST".
One wonders if John Mara feels he's simply giving the fans what they asked for.
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 18, 2021 11:52:14 GMT -5
I can't imagine there was anybody on this board that thought our defense would regress to this level after their performance last year. I give the offense a complete pass due to the injuries. But our D? We are 1-5 in large part because of their underachieving. - Pitt Ben coming off injury and first action in a year - Bears - Trubinsky - Dallas Prescott hurt then Dalton (2 games) - Washington - Allen and Smith (2 games) - Cincy - B. Allen 7 Games vs mediocre QBs while Philly was so/so Gettleman added to the secondary and weakened the front line. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 12:07:15 GMT -5
Oh and BTW.......This entire philosophy was endorsed by the fans in 2017. The mob protested the benching of Eli and they all might as well have been screaming "GIVE US THE PAST". One wonders if John Mara feels he's simply giving the fans what they asked for. [br Again this is where you go off the tracks badly The mob wasn't protesting the benching..we were led to believe it would be to give Webb a look in a dead season The mob brought out the pitchforks and torches when it was found out that it was for Geno Smith,which accomplished exactly what we thought it would. THAT was the issue... |
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 12:11:35 GMT -5
Oh and BTW.......This entire philosophy was endorsed by the fans in 2017. The mob protested the benching of Eli and they all might as well have been screaming "GIVE US THE PAST". One wonders if John Mara feels he's simply giving the fans what they asked for. [br Again this is where you go off the tracks badly The mob wasn't protesting the benching..we were led to believe it would be to give Webb a look in a dead season The mob brought out the pitchforks and torches when it was found out that it was for Geno Smith,which accomplished exactly what we thought it would. THAT was the issue... Keep telling yourself that. That claim has been made many times and I completely reject it.
Yes of course the mob all wanted Davis Webb. THAT was it. It had nothing to do with Eli.
Good one.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 12:14:37 GMT -5
[br Again this is where you go off the tracks badly The mob wasn't protesting the benching..we were led to believe it would be to give Webb a look in a dead season The mob brought out the pitchforks and torches when it was found out that it was for Geno Smith,which accomplished exactly what we thought it would. THAT was the issue... Keep telling yourself that. That claim has been made many times and I completely reject it.
Yes of course the mob all wanted Davis Webb. THAT was it. It had nothing to do with Eli.
Good one.
Do you actually have this power to peer inside everyone's brain and be 100% sure about this? I know I speak for myself at the very least in that I was pissee it wasn't Webb that got a look and didn't even get one snap that year (not that it ever mattered because Webb is a 3rd string backup at this point ) |
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 12:17:33 GMT -5
Keep telling yourself that. That claim has been made many times and I completely reject it.
Yes of course the mob all wanted Davis Webb. THAT was it. It had nothing to do with Eli.
Good one.
Do you actually have this power to peer inside everyone's brain and be 100% sure about this? I know I speak for myself at the very least in that I was pissee it wasn't Webb that got a look and didn't even get one snap that year (not that it ever mattered because Webb is a 3rd string backup at this point ) McAdoo wanted a mobile QB to run his scheme. THAT is why he started Geno.
And when JR and McAdoo were fired did they install Davis Webb as the starter?
No. They gave the mob what they wanted.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 12:20:33 GMT -5
Do you actually have this power to peer inside everyone's brain and be 100% sure about this? I know I speak for myself at the very least in that I was pissee it wasn't Webb that got a look and didn't even get one snap that year (not that it ever mattered because Webb is a 3rd string backup at this point ) McAdoo wanted a mobile QB to run his scheme. THAT is why he started Geno.
And when JR and McAdoo were fired did they install Davis Webb as the starter?
No. They gave the mob what they wanted.
Webb is a mobile qb That is who everyone wanted to see start .. The entire world knew ane knows what Geno is (a decent back up ) They probably last till the end of the season (Mac and Jerry)if they started Webb.. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 18, 2021 12:21:20 GMT -5
My take is the Giants put their trust in the GM's philosophies to a fault.
How else do you explain John Mara allowing what happened to our Oline under Reese/Coughlin/McAdoo and now Gettleman/Shumur/Judge?
Let's be honest. The line fell apart under Coughlin. And it hasn't been fixed since. But we cannot get on Gettleman for the line being decimated with injuries now can we?
What QB will play well behind a line like ours?
The defense has been torched for two straight weeks. Williams, Lawrence, Jackson, Peppers, McKinney, Ryan and Bradberry are all perfectly healthy.
They can't cover me. One of the problems came this last off season. Dave had to scramble to overpay free agents. He gave two guys, Golladay and Jackson, who had played a combined 8 games in 2020, huge deals. And the guaranteed money had to be back loaded because we didn't have the cap space.....so the cap hits for those two, plus Williams is going to cripple us starting next year. We mortgaged our future to be all in for 2021. But here we are....at 1-5.
As ridiculous as it sounds not a whole lot that has gone right for the Giants this year.
The players and the DC who showed so much promise last year have not shown up.
Carter, Ximines, and the rookie #51 have 1 pressure in the last 2 weeks (100 combined pass rushing snaps) from what I read.
I truly do not know what to make of this team anymore but at the same time I don't think one man can come in here and fix it. |
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 18, 2021 12:24:17 GMT -5
[br Again this is where you go off the tracks badly The mob wasn't protesting the benching..we were led to believe it would be to give Webb a look in a dead season The mob brought out the pitchforks and torches when it was found out that it was for Geno Smith,which accomplished exactly what we thought it would. THAT was the issue... Keep telling yourself that. That claim has been made many times and I completely reject it.
Yes of course the mob all wanted Davis Webb. THAT was it. It had nothing to do with Eli.
Good one.
I wanted to take a look at THE FUTURE...meaning Webb. Geno was a failed QB of THE PAST. We all knew that Geno would not be our QB the next season (and no one wanted him to be) but we didn't know if Webb had potential to be OUR FUTURE. It was Ben making that move, which seemed way more about Ben than the Giants future, that rubbed many the wrong way. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 18, 2021 12:27:29 GMT -5
Keep telling yourself that. That claim has been made many times and I completely reject it.
Yes of course the mob all wanted Davis Webb. THAT was it. It had nothing to do with Eli.
Good one.
I wanted to take a look at THE FUTURE...meaning Webb. Geno was a failed QB of THE PAST. We all knew that Geno would not be our QB the next season (and no one wanted him to be) but we didn't know if Webb had potential to be OUR FUTURE. It was Ben making that move, which seemed way more about Ben than the Giants future, that rubbed many the wrong way. All of this |
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 18, 2021 12:32:38 GMT -5
My take is the Giants put their trust in the GM's philosophies to a fault.
How else do you explain John Mara allowing what happened to our Oline under Reese/Coughlin/McAdoo and now Gettleman/Shumur/Judge?
Let's be honest. The line fell apart under Coughlin. And it hasn't been fixed since. But we cannot get on Gettleman for the line being decimated with injuries now can we?
What QB will play well behind a line like ours?
I'll give you that on the injuries to the O line .... no team can survive all these injuries,in fact it's a testament that we finally found a really good o line coach that it hasn't been a complete disaster all year up until the 2nd quarter of yesterday's game ... But the thing is why did we have to tie up 72 million on a good number 1 with some prior injury issues this year when there were numerous chances to draft a young playmaker that would have been a number one since 2019 and we would have a group relatively cheap with Shepard being the only contract? Bad domino effect starting with bad FA signings in 2018 never really gave us the cap room we could have had this year and next. that is the issues... We run the risk of it getting much worse if we indeed move on from Jones and he has a Drew Brees like career somewhere else while we cycle through wannabe franchise qbs like underwear the next 10 years because we neglected to give the one we drafted in 2019 as much young help early . This is why many of us think Gettleman was trapped in the past He had a 1979 mind think on how long it takes to develop a qb forgetting you legit have to know within 3 years what you have . I am not a fan of the way Dave went about building this team, but I'm not sure he's to blame for the state of this team right now.
Did the Personnel Dept give the coaching more talent to work with this year?
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 18, 2021 12:43:36 GMT -5
Do you actually have this power to peer inside everyone's brain and be 100% sure about this? I know I speak for myself at the very least in that I was pissee it wasn't Webb that got a look and didn't even get one snap that year (not that it ever mattered because Webb is a 3rd string backup at this point ) McAdoo wanted a mobile QB to run his scheme. THAT is why he started Geno.
And when JR and McAdoo were fired did they install Davis Webb as the starter?
No. They gave the mob what they wanted.
The mob wanted McAdoo and Reese fired. Eli did nothing but regress in Ben's system.
Was there anyone who took pleasure in Eli getting the shit kicked out of him or killing plays under phantom pressure in McAdoo's offense other than Harooni? If anything, I'm sure most of us preferred to see Geno get the shit kicked out of him.
The Giants head coach is the guy who determines who plays and sits. I'm sure Spags felt the team needed to settle down, and Eli was best player to make that happen.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 18, 2021 12:46:42 GMT -5
McAdoo wanted a mobile QB to run his scheme. THAT is why he started Geno.
And when JR and McAdoo were fired did they install Davis Webb as the starter?
No. They gave the mob what they wanted.
The mob wanted McAdoo and Reese fired. Eli did nothing but regress in Ben's system.
Was there anyone who took pleasure in Eli getting the shit kicked out of him or killing plays under phantom pressure in McAdoo's offense other than Harooni? If anything, I'm sure most of us preferred to see Geno get the shit kicked out of him.
The Giants head coach is the guy who determines who plays and sits. I'm sure Spags felt the team needed to settle down, and Eli was best player to make that happen. There was zero chance Eli was going to suddenly thrive anywhere at that point in his career, but here's the choice Spags faced. 1) Put in a QB you won a SB with. or 2) Put in a guy he couldn't pick out of a line up. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 18, 2021 12:47:52 GMT -5
I don't know how we can look at this team and blame the front office right now 42. How many of our Olinemen came off our practice squad?
I cannot watch this team with the same intensity any longer. I put the game and if something good happens, I can watch replay it. But now I'll just expect the worst and whenever the Giants fate changes again, I'll probably get back into it.
I'm not some proud fan who lives and dies with all the losing. I didn't do it in the 90's and I'm not doing again now. I have no reason to support what I see on that field. although I do like some of the players.
What ever happened to #30? I was expecting him to be a solid player. But wasn't he the one who screwed up on the fake punt? And then on the subsequent punt, he gave up on the play before it was over. I have no patience for a player like that.
There is no more anger more indifferent to what happens on the field the team is in bad shape injury wise, depending on Thomas and Toney what their time table is, Think the next 11 games are going to be about who will be here and who won't think Carter and X are to that won't not because of lack of effort but Lack of production. Carter was always a jack of all trades and might stick as an inside backer here or somewhere else. After that I'm not guessing. Carter may be a good complimentary player but that's it. Ximinez is a notch or two below that. The jury is still out on the rookie.
It's amazing to me that we rested our starters in the preseason for this.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 18, 2021 12:53:05 GMT -5
There is no more anger more indifferent to what happens on the field the team is in bad shape injury wise, depending on Thomas and Toney what their time table is, Think the next 11 games are going to be about who will be here and who won't think Carter and X are to that won't not because of lack of effort but Lack of production. Carter was always a jack of all trades and might stick as an inside backer here or somewhere else. After that I'm not guessing. Carter may be a good complimentary player but that's it. Ximinez is a notch or two below that. The jury is still out on the rookie.
It's amazing to me that we rested our starters in the preseason for this.
Exactly I'm just done it is the norm to be the clown show of the NFL, really how many teams make a big push to be better make the playoffs and come back as the worst team in the league, then do it again and it happens all over again with no playoffs lost and rudderless is how I see it, I said back in 2013 and it still is different faces same crap. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 18, 2021 12:56:39 GMT -5
McAdoo wanted a mobile QB to run his scheme. THAT is why he started Geno.
And when JR and McAdoo were fired did they install Davis Webb as the starter?
No. They gave the mob what they wanted.
The mob wanted McAdoo and Reese fired. Eli did nothing but regress in Ben's system.
Was there anyone who took pleasure in Eli getting the shit kicked out of him or killing plays under phantom pressure in McAdoo's offense other than Harooni? If anything, I'm sure most of us preferred to see Geno get the shit kicked out of him.
The Giants head coach is the guy who determines who plays and sits. I'm sure Spags felt the team needed to settle down, and Eli was best player to make that happen.
When TC and Flarety left the max protects and chips left with them Benny wanted Eli to fend for himself with his legs lol. talk about square pegs in round holes, And Benny had the balls to say in an interview. If you wanted the best Eli you needed to protect him. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 18, 2021 12:57:07 GMT -5
Keep telling yourself that. That claim has been made many times and I completely reject it.
Yes of course the mob all wanted Davis Webb. THAT was it. It had nothing to do with Eli.
Good one.
I wanted to take a look at THE FUTURE...meaning Webb. Geno was a failed QB of THE PAST. We all knew that Geno would not be our QB the next season (and no one wanted him to be) but we didn't know if Webb had potential to be OUR FUTURE. It was Ben making that move, which seemed way more about Ben than the Giants future, that rubbed many the wrong way.
I didn't mind the move to pick up Geno in the context of a back-up. I thought it was pretty smart actually to let him resurrect his career in that capacity under Eli.
What I didn't imagine was that the Giants would actually consider replacing Eli with Geno. But that was the thinking as we later found out John Mara had showed an interest in seeing Geno play as well as Davis.
That's just another example of John Mara placing his faith in the wrong hands.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 18, 2021 13:05:06 GMT -5
Do you actually have this power to peer inside everyone's brain and be 100% sure about this? I know I speak for myself at the very least in that I was pissee it wasn't Webb that got a look and didn't even get one snap that year (not that it ever mattered because Webb is a 3rd string backup at this point ) McAdoo wanted a mobile QB to run his scheme. THAT is why he started Geno.
And when JR and McAdoo were fired did they install Davis Webb as the starter?
No. They gave the mob what they wanted.
Davis Webb is floating around the NFL backup universe lol, what the mob wanted is a competent coach figuring out how to get the best QB old or not on the roster protected TC found ways. It takes some scheming guess what Mahomes would have washed out of here you saw him with bad OL play in the biggest game nothing. just because your mobile doesn't mean it's gonna work with a bad OL. Jone before the injuries was playing excellent ball after he was battered and was a shell of himself yesterday he looked like the old jones and the is faster and bigger then a lot of these mobile QBs. it is won in the trenches right now the Giants are 4 deep a guar 2 deep at center and 2 deep at tackle. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 18, 2021 13:06:03 GMT -5
Keep telling yourself that. That claim has been made many times and I completely reject it.
Yes of course the mob all wanted Davis Webb. THAT was it. It had nothing to do with Eli.
Good one.
I wanted to take a look at THE FUTURE...meaning Webb. Geno was a failed QB of THE PAST. We all knew that Geno would not be our QB the next season (and no one wanted him to be) but we didn't know if Webb had potential to be OUR FUTURE. It was Ben making that move, which seemed way more about Ben than the Giants future, that rubbed many the wrong way. Do we know for sure it was Bens call to start Geno and not Webb? Not being facetious. Really never saw any proof that it was his call. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 18, 2021 13:07:52 GMT -5
The mob wanted McAdoo and Reese fired. Eli did nothing but regress in Ben's system.
Was there anyone who took pleasure in Eli getting the shit kicked out of him or killing plays under phantom pressure in McAdoo's offense other than Harooni? If anything, I'm sure most of us preferred to see Geno get the shit kicked out of him.
The Giants head coach is the guy who determines who plays and sits. I'm sure Spags felt the team needed to settle down, and Eli was best player to make that happen.
When TC and Flarety left the max protects and chips left with them Benny wanted Eli to fend for himself with his legs lol. talk about square pegs in round holes, And Benny had the balls to say in an interview. If you wanted the best Eli you needed to protect him. I think that was Bennys way of trying to get himself his QB. I mean, if you believe various sources, he wanted the Giants to go all in for Mahomes. That one move right there alters the direction of this franchise. |
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 18, 2021 13:13:53 GMT -5
I wanted to take a look at THE FUTURE...meaning Webb. Geno was a failed QB of THE PAST. We all knew that Geno would not be our QB the next season (and no one wanted him to be) but we didn't know if Webb had potential to be OUR FUTURE. It was Ben making that move, which seemed way more about Ben than the Giants future, that rubbed many the wrong way. Do we know for sure it was Bens call to start Geno and not Webb? Not being facetious. Really never saw any proof that it was his call. Well...I am not going to look for the article, but Webb had not taken a single snap with the starters prior to Geno going in, so it's pretty safe to assume he was in no way prepared to play...a fact I blame on Ben. |
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 18, 2021 13:16:17 GMT -5
Well it meant getting rid of their best players. The root cause was years of injuries and bad draft picks. Jon Goff, plays 2010, looks promising; out for career next year. That kind of shit is debilitating. Look at Nicks and Cruz. Those guys should've been Harrison and Wayne. They had 1 season together as a truly healthy tandem. And in the trenches they either had bad picks or bad injuries. And for a long time Reese totally ignored the OL. The DL eventually suffered too after 2010. He never retooled that DL until he brought in Vernon and Harrison on big deals. No homegrown talent..that's bad coaching and bad talent acquisition. So I see what you mean. There was a bad locker room culture. But you can have a great 4-3 just like you can have a great 3-4. Switching just forces them to rebuild the D from the ground up....while trying to win with their aging franchise QB who is playing behind a terrible OL..   By the way I meant no disrespect. I am a CEO for many years and its so hard watch the Giants anymore knowing there system is so flawed. I still watch though but without major system changes this team cannot change in the way fans want them to change. It will be a band aide approach which will account for nothing. So when we talk 3 -4  4-3 hybrid D and OC and DC and GM and all the x's and o's it doesn't mean anything will have a big effect long term for the future. Their system must change if they want success. Very very well said. Hereâs the point where Iâll get excited: The ownership announces that theyâre separating the roles of president and CEO (even better if they had an actual BOD so the familyâs can be limited to those roles, , but I donât think they do). The President will report to Mara once a quarter and will have unfettered control of whoâs on his executive team and all of football operations. All executive members and any individuals with ties to the Maras and Tisches will have to reapply for their jobs. THAT will get me excited. Until then, itâs just âBâ leadership that hires âCâ talent. If you want A leadership, you need A ownership or at least ownership that acknowledges theyâre part of the problem. Iâd be willing to watch them suck another 3 years of this was the level of change. |
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Post by cdngfan on Oct 18, 2021 13:22:08 GMT -5
Keep telling yourself that. That claim has been made many times and I completely reject it.
Yes of course the mob all wanted Davis Webb. THAT was it. It had nothing to do with Eli.
Good one.
I wanted to take a look at THE FUTURE...meaning Webb. Geno was a failed QB of THE PAST. We all knew that Geno would not be our QB the next season (and no one wanted him to be) but we didn't know if Webb had potential to be OUR FUTURE. It was Ben making that move, which seemed way more about Ben than the Giants future, that rubbed many the wrong way. Same. Iâm a huge Eli fan and the part that sucked wasnât that Eli was benched. It was that he was benched to save Benâs job. If youâre going to do that, you have to be right. He was t. So Benâs job wasnât saved, commentators and veterans from around the league, who had advocated for moving on from Eli, FLAMED the organization for how it handled the situation (rightfully so),and in the end Mara took no ownership and just fired his way out of that mess. |
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 18, 2021 13:37:26 GMT -5
I'll chime in with the "I wanted to see Webb" play crowd. We all knew Geno wasn't the answer at QB for us so why not give the kid a shot & see what he could do?
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 18, 2021 13:51:06 GMT -5
In a nutshell......We are a team that has seen the league pass us by.
In 2017, John Mara, the owner OF THE PAST....Hired Dave Gettleman...The GM OF THE PAST.
Dave was determined to reinstate our QB OF THE PAST. He was committed to his philosophy OF THE PAST. He drafted the QB who reminded him of our QB FROM THE PAST.
So here we are, a team of the past with a record from the deepest recesses of our past....Those glorious years of the 70's where we weren't just bad. We were an embarrassment. We were a laughing stock. The words "New York Giants" were synonymous with losing. We are close to that now.
The league has changed more in the last 10 years than any time since they created the forward pass, yet we are standing still. These young coaches, combined with the profound rules changes have created a new game. And John Mara needs to step aside and allow the Giants join the 21st century.
The fixes needed here are profound. This may be a long slog. At least we have 4 SB championships to remember, but they are getting smaller and smaller in our collective rear view mirror.
Funny that Mara is shaping the football philosophy of this team. What exactly does this guy know about football other than his Daddy owned the team and gave him a job? Did Mara even ever play football in his life? What qualifications does he have to be the President/CEO of a billion dollar plus business? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 18, 2021 13:51:51 GMT -5
When TC and Flarety left the max protects and chips left with them Benny wanted Eli to fend for himself with his legs lol. talk about square pegs in round holes, And Benny had the balls to say in an interview. If you wanted the best Eli you needed to protect him. I think that was Bennys way of trying to get himself his QB. I mean, if you believe various sources, he wanted the Giants to go all in for Mahomes. That one move right there alters the direction of this franchise. I think it was true he wanted Mahomes I just don't think it would have been good for Mahomes, as talented as he is, Pressure is pressure he might not been afforded a learning year and a he surely would not have enjoyed the fine offensive line play and elite weaponry the chiefs already had in place, remember Alex Smith had them winning 11 or more games a year, I just think the Giants were a bad fit for any young QB at that time and even for Jones. He had a moment of decent OL play and he looked good. when you look at it this OL this year might be the best unit when healthy since mid 2012 first legit LT anyway and Hernandez is actually pretty good on the right side to bad it took to Jones 3rd year, these are unforgivable sins by the GM. |
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 13:58:48 GMT -5
McAdoo wanted a mobile QB to run his scheme. THAT is why he started Geno.
And when JR and McAdoo were fired did they install Davis Webb as the starter?
No. They gave the mob what they wanted.
The mob wanted McAdoo and Reese fired. Eli did nothing but regress in Ben's system.
Was there anyone who took pleasure in Eli getting the shit kicked out of him or killing plays under phantom pressure in McAdoo's offense other than Harooni? If anything, I'm sure most of us preferred to see Geno get the shit kicked out of him.
The Giants head coach is the guy who determines who plays and sits. I'm sure Spags felt the team needed to settle down, and Eli was best player to make that happen.
And of course that is the goal for every football team....Settling down.
Of course the goal of every team should be to win football games.
The fact is that the fans in 2017 wanted Eli. They didn't want Davis Webb or Geno Smith.
But either way, this organization is far too much consumed with the past and continuity. Well continuity is a wonderful thing when you're winning. Yes....let's continue to win. Unfortunately, continuity when you're losing is toxic. It's a constant attempt to put Humpty Dumpty back up on his wall.
We are STILL doing that. We are looking at the formula from the past and trying to remake it. So we brought in a GM from that past to make it happen. All while the rest of the league is adapting to the new NFL.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 18, 2021 14:02:44 GMT -5
I think that was Bennys way of trying to get himself his QB. I mean, if you believe various sources, he wanted the Giants to go all in for Mahomes. That one move right there alters the direction of this franchise. I think it was true he wanted Mahomes I just don't think it would have been good for Mahomes, as talented as he is, Pressure is pressure he might not been afforded a learning year and a he surely would not have enjoyed the fine offensive line play and elite weaponry the chiefs already had in place, remember Alex Smith had them winning 11 or more games a year, I just think the Giants were a bad fit for any young QB at that time and even for Jones. He had a moment of decent OL play and he looked good. when you look at it this OL this year might be the best unit when healthy since mid 2012 first legit LT anyway and Hernandez is actually pretty good on the right side to bad it took to Jones 3rd year, these are unforgivable sins by the GM. Mahomes definitely went to a great situation. As did a Tom Brady and Lamar Jackson and Russell Wilson. Murray went to a risky situation though, and it appears to be working out great for him. It really helps with development. No question Jones has an uphill battle in that department. I dont think our team was in the right situation to go QB in 2019. And certainly screwed up going RB in 2018. The team is being built backwards and in reverse order. |
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 18, 2021 14:04:17 GMT -5
I'll chime in with the "I wanted to see Webb" play crowd. We all knew Geno wasn't the answer at QB for us so why not give the kid a shot & see what he could do? Because he wasn't ready to play. Guess what? He was NEVER ready to play. McAdoo knew this.
The Giants had won 1 game in it's first 11 when Eli was benched. There comes a time when you have to shake up the team. McAdoo had the guts to replace the QB with the back up. The back up was Geno Smith.
Ben McAdoo was never HC material. But at least he showed the guts at that moment. "Guts" is something John Mara doesn't like. It's risky. It's unknown.
Better to stick with losing the way we were. It's like a familiar warm blanket. After the two were fired....we returned to that familiar brand of losing.
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