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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 19, 2021 13:28:20 GMT -5
In which I would have replied "What is your woman supposed to be, a cow " A better response woulda been, "Your wife didn't think so last night". Same difference,effect.....love it
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Post by wtfjjk on Oct 19, 2021 13:42:55 GMT -5
Really hoping there is a great pass rusher coming out in the draft this year!! Maybe use the 2nd pick for a stud 2nd level defender of an olineman.. can't go wrong with that. I've been saying BPA at edge, LB, or OL with those first 2 or even 2-4 first picks. Not really in any order but I think edge definitely needs to be the priority and would love to see 1 of 2 pics definitely and maybe 2 of first 4. I wouldn't be mad if they were all LBs with the first 3 picks. 3 studs transforming our defense from Day 1.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 19, 2021 13:57:41 GMT -5
Don’t take this personally because it may sound a little brash but I really get sick of hearing about how many fans or analysts liked a pick. I couldn’t care less a pick is love or hated, I care about results and that’s the GM’s responsibility. The draft isn’t a popularity contest and if was as easy as picking the top consensus player for each position than any of us could be a GM. How hard a player plays or his popularity in the locker room is nice and all but I care more about results on the field and Hernandez fails in that category. Hernandez is okay at best but I sure as hell wouldn’t give him an extension. I'm not taking it personally I followed the Giants drafts since Goerge Young this happens a lot Luke Petigout is an example of the same thing the point is he didn't bust tho he will continue here or else where he is an average to above average starting guard. More don't live up to their draft pedigree then do. Our team or a team can win with Will Hernandez as their stating Guard. They can win if everyone else is actually above average, put a tackle next to him that is as “average” as he is and that side of the line is in big trouble.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 19, 2021 14:02:35 GMT -5
can't go wrong with that. I've been saying BPA at edge, LB, or OL with those first 2 or even 2-4 first picks. Not really in any order but I think edge definitely needs to be the priority and would love to see 1 of 2 pics definitely and maybe 2 of first 4. I wouldn't be mad if they were all LBs with the first 3 picks. 3 studs transforming our defense from Day 1. I'd rather an edge early as we might be in line for a blue chip guy then get a beast IDL(Davis from Georgia)to make the front 3 back to what it was last year day 1
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 19, 2021 14:23:08 GMT -5
can't go wrong with that. I've been saying BPA at edge, LB, or OL with those first 2 or even 2-4 first picks. Not really in any order but I think edge definitely needs to be the priority and would love to see 1 of 2 pics definitely and maybe 2 of first 4. I wouldn't be mad if they were all LBs with the first 3 picks. 3 studs transforming our defense from Day 1. can't go wrong with that either homie
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2021 14:55:43 GMT -5
I'm not taking it personally I followed the Giants drafts since Goerge Young this happens a lot Luke Petigout is an example of the same thing the point is he didn't bust tho he will continue here or else where he is an average to above average starting guard. More don't live up to their draft pedigree then do. Our team or a team can win with Will Hernandez as their stating Guard. They can win if everyone else is actually above average, put a tackle next to him that is as “average” as he is and that side of the line is in big trouble. Not really if they have god communication and are no each other really well they will make each other better a lot of work is done in combo with timing precision.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 19, 2021 15:39:46 GMT -5
They can win if everyone else is actually above average, put a tackle next to him that is as “average” as he is and that side of the line is in big trouble. Not really if they have god communication and are no each other really well they will make each other better a lot of work is done in combo with timing precision. Then why was Hernandez below average next to Solder 2 years ago AND hardly better with Thomas last year? *He’s on track for the same type of season as both of those this year and he’s been playing next to Solder (who he’s familiar with) this year. If what you say is true, BOTH Hernandez AND Solder should hypothetically be having a “better” year since they have plenty of experience/communication together but instead it’s been the exact opposite.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 19, 2021 20:20:37 GMT -5
Not really if they have god communication and are no each other really well they will make each other better a lot of work is done in combo with timing precision. Then why was Hernandez below average next to Solder 2 years ago AND hardly better with Thomas last year? *He’s on track for the same type of season as both of those this year and he’s been playing next to Solder (who he’s familiar with) this year. If what you say is true, BOTH Hernandez AND Solder should hypothetically be having a “better” year since they have plenty of experience/communication together but instead it’s been the exact opposite. When he was rookie he was not below average he was grading out really high.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 20, 2021 7:48:35 GMT -5
Then why was Hernandez below average next to Solder 2 years ago AND hardly better with Thomas last year? *He’s on track for the same type of season as both of those this year and he’s been playing next to Solder (who he’s familiar with) this year. If what you say is true, BOTH Hernandez AND Solder should hypothetically be having a “better” year since they have plenty of experience/communication together but instead it’s been the exact opposite. When he was rookie he was not below average he was grading out really high. I realize that but he’s regressed since and I kept hearing how much he would surely improve this year due to his off season training and new coaches. Well, he’s barely improved, if at all. I mean, what do you want to do, give him an extension because he played well 3-4 years ago? That’s asinine. Maybe we should extend Solder, because he wasn’t as bad his first year as he is now, he’ll surely improve, right? You expect most rookies to have growing pains and improve year after year, not start off good and go to below average. Look how many former 1st round picks DG has picked up in FA to try and patch this line. How’s that working out? The teams let them go because they weren’t worth keeping on the roster, it doesn’t matter where they were drafted or how they played their first year or two. They ultimately didn’t deliver consistently and the teams smartly moved on, whereas the Giants like to hang on to scrubs because of where they were drafted or how well they played for one season. At some point you have to move on.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 20, 2021 8:54:33 GMT -5
When he was rookie he was not below average he was grading out really high. I realize that but he’s regressed since and I kept hearing how much he would surely improve this year due to his off season training and new coaches. Well, he’s barely improved, if at all. I mean, what do you want to do, give him an extension because he played well 3-4 years ago? That’s asinine. Maybe we should extend Solder, because he wasn’t as bad his first year as he is now, he’ll surely improve, right? You expect most rookies to have growing pains and improve year after year, not start off good and go to below average. Look how many former 1st round picks DG has picked up in FA to try and patch this line. How’s that working out? The teams let them go because they weren’t worth keeping on the roster, it doesn’t matter where they were drafted or how they played their first year or two. They ultimately didn’t deliver consistently and the teams smartly moved on, whereas the Giants like to hang on to scrubs because of where they were drafted or how well they played for one season. At some point you have to move on. Who said extension, he has been above average like I said he isn't the problem on the OL and actually has given up 0 sacks and very little pressure not gonna fault them for keeping a guy who is steady at the right price, and wouldn't fault them for letting him walk at the wrong price he's a good guard not great not terrible he makes it to the game every week except for when he had covid and fights his butt off for his team mates now that there are competent coaches in the building which he never had here he looks fine. the decision to keep him or let him walk will come down to what they have to match or how much he is wanting Pugh got 9.5 mill and at this stage of his career he was an injury prone well below average player even when he went to AZ first year he was out by game 4 and was terrible when he did play he has leveled off now it ain't easy finding just solid guys that play every game.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 20, 2021 10:59:00 GMT -5
I realize that but he’s regressed since and I kept hearing how much he would surely improve this year due to his off season training and new coaches. Well, he’s barely improved, if at all. I mean, what do you want to do, give him an extension because he played well 3-4 years ago? That’s asinine. Maybe we should extend Solder, because he wasn’t as bad his first year as he is now, he’ll surely improve, right? You expect most rookies to have growing pains and improve year after year, not start off good and go to below average. Look how many former 1st round picks DG has picked up in FA to try and patch this line. How’s that working out? The teams let them go because they weren’t worth keeping on the roster, it doesn’t matter where they were drafted or how they played their first year or two. They ultimately didn’t deliver consistently and the teams smartly moved on, whereas the Giants like to hang on to scrubs because of where they were drafted or how well they played for one season. At some point you have to move on. Who said extension, he has been above average like I said he isn't the problem on the OL and actually has given up 0 sacks and very little pressure not gonna fault them for keeping a guy who is steady at the right price, and wouldn't fault them for letting him walk at the wrong price he's a good guard not great not terrible he makes it to the game every week except for when he had covid and fights his butt off for his team mates now that there are competent coaches in the building which he never had here he looks fine. the decision to keep him or let him walk will come down to what they have to match or how much he is wanting Pugh got 9.5 mill and at this stage of his career he was an injury prone well below average player even when he went to AZ first year he was out by game 4 and was terrible when he did play he has leveled off now it ain't easy finding just solid guys that play every game. If he’s above average, which you claim, then I assume you would want him extended. That’s what you do with good players, extend them, which is why he shouldn’t get an extension but probably will because it’s the Giants way. Over pay for mediocrity or below average players.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 11:12:32 GMT -5
Who said extension, he has been above average like I said he isn't the problem on the OL and actually has given up 0 sacks and very little pressure not gonna fault them for keeping a guy who is steady at the right price, and wouldn't fault them for letting him walk at the wrong price he's a good guard not great not terrible he makes it to the game every week except for when he had covid and fights his butt off for his team mates now that there are competent coaches in the building which he never had here he looks fine. the decision to keep him or let him walk will come down to what they have to match or how much he is wanting Pugh got 9.5 mill and at this stage of his career he was an injury prone well below average player even when he went to AZ first year he was out by game 4 and was terrible when he did play he has leveled off now it ain't easy finding just solid guys that play every game. If he’s above average, which you claim, then I assume you would want him extended. That’s what you do with good players, extend them, which is why he shouldn’t get an extension but probably will because it’s the Giants way. Over pay for mediocrity or below average players. Not sure if you were out here in 2018 but some of the fans out here were in love with Jamon Brown when he was picked out of the dumpster to play RG when the great Patrick Omameh failed instantly.. Thankfully he wasn't retained because he was below average but there were a few who would argue he wasn't kind of like now..
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 20, 2021 11:14:02 GMT -5
If he’s above average, which you claim, then I assume you would want him extended. That’s what you do with good players, extend them, which is why he shouldn’t get an extension but probably will because it’s the Giants way. Over pay for mediocrity or below average players. Not sure if you were out here in 2018 but some of the fans out here were in love with Jamon Brown when he was picked out of the dumpster to play RG when the great Patrick Omameh failed instantly.. Thankfully he wasn't retained because he was below average but there were a few who would argue he wasn't kind of like now.. "below average" sounds pretty good right about now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 11:15:01 GMT -5
Not sure if you were out here in 2018 but some of the fans out here were in love with Jamon Brown when he was picked out of the dumpster to play RG when the great Patrick Omameh failed instantly.. Thankfully he wasn't retained because he was below average but there were a few who would argue he wasn't kind of like now.. "below average" sounds pretty good right about now. So you're another fan of keeping Hernandez?? lol
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 20, 2021 11:45:50 GMT -5
Who said extension, he has been above average like I said he isn't the problem on the OL and actually has given up 0 sacks and very little pressure not gonna fault them for keeping a guy who is steady at the right price, and wouldn't fault them for letting him walk at the wrong price he's a good guard not great not terrible he makes it to the game every week except for when he had covid and fights his butt off for his team mates now that there are competent coaches in the building which he never had here he looks fine. the decision to keep him or let him walk will come down to what they have to match or how much he is wanting Pugh got 9.5 mill and at this stage of his career he was an injury prone well below average player even when he went to AZ first year he was out by game 4 and was terrible when he did play he has leveled off now it ain't easy finding just solid guys that play every game. If he’s above average, which you claim, then I assume you would want him extended. That’s what you do with good players, extend them, which is why he shouldn’t get an extension but probably will because it’s the Giants way. Over pay for mediocrity or below average players. Maybe you might get it next year if they sign or draft guard that is giving up sacks pressures and missing games
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 11:56:30 GMT -5
If he’s above average, which you claim, then I assume you would want him extended. That’s what you do with good players, extend them, which is why he shouldn’t get an extension but probably will because it’s the Giants way. Over pay for mediocrity or below average players. Maybe you might get it next year if they sign or draft guard that is giving up sacks pressures and missing games Curious if Hernandez gets any good offers next year as a FA.. I mean Flowers was allowed to look real bad and bounce around a few teams so why not Hernandez.. I would like to see how he finishes the year but with the bad players on both side of him it's going to be tough to see if he has made the next step.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 20, 2021 12:12:08 GMT -5
Maybe you might get it next year if they sign or draft guard that is giving up sacks pressures and missing games Curious if Hernandez gets any good offers next year as a FA.. I mean Flowers was allowed to look real bad and bounce around a few teams so why not Hernandez.. I would like to see how he finishes the year but with the bad players on both side of him it's going to be tough to see if he has made the next step. If he stays as is I think he will get a prove it deal at worst, he isn't giving up sacks and not a lot of pressure teams have a better eye for the small things in his technique, when Richberg and Pugh walked out of here one got ten mill per and the other 9.5 and neither were as steady or even as good as Hernandez at that time, even in there first years in their new homes they were grading bottom 3rd and both were injured. Pugh has evened his career out but is still just middle of the road like Flowers. Will H might be to expensive for us anyway. Steady solid team guys are not easy to find.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 12:14:54 GMT -5
Curious if Hernandez gets any good offers next year as a FA.. I mean Flowers was allowed to look real bad and bounce around a few teams so why not Hernandez.. I would like to see how he finishes the year but with the bad players on both side of him it's going to be tough to see if he has made the next step. If he stays as is I think he will get a prove it deal at worst, he isn't giving up sacks and not a lot of pressure teams have a better eye for the small things in his technique, when Richberg and Pugh walked out of here one got ten mill per and the other 9.5 and neither were as steady or even as good as Hernandez at that time, even in there first years in their new homes they were grading bottom 3rd and both were injured. Pugh has evened his career out but is still just middle of the road like Flowers. Will H might be to expensive for us anyway. Steady solid team guys are not easy to find. I view Pugh as a much better player than Henandez and Flowers and was upset he was let go at the time.. I'm hoping they can draft a couple of good prospects at guard and tackle this next draft after they get a pass rusher..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 20, 2021 12:28:47 GMT -5
If he stays as is I think he will get a prove it deal at worst, he isn't giving up sacks and not a lot of pressure teams have a better eye for the small things in his technique, when Richberg and Pugh walked out of here one got ten mill per and the other 9.5 and neither were as steady or even as good as Hernandez at that time, even in there first years in their new homes they were grading bottom 3rd and both were injured. Pugh has evened his career out but is still just middle of the road like Flowers. Will H might be to expensive for us anyway. Steady solid team guys are not easy to find. I view Pugh as a much better player than Henandez and Flowers and was upset he was let go at the time.. I'm hoping they can draft a couple of good prospects at guard and tackle this next draft after they get a pass rusher.. I view him now as a better player, when he was here he wasn't very good when on the field he had major issues at tackle and was kind of like Hernandez with out the durability and toughness. I think in light of his injury issues they made the right move and it did follow him to AZ for the first year and so did the bottom 3rd play. I thought he was gonna be a stud at guard. Now letting him walk for 9.5 mil per was fine but drafting one guy in hernandez and making Hal Hunter his coach for 2 years was dumb as #$%@ they should have doubled dipped at guard with Nelson in the first and Will H in the second then again they wouldn't have gotten him because he was pretty much the #2 Guard after Nelson. A lot of our failures, this goes for before also at the OL position are do to the coaching they get Once Flarety left, Pugh and Richies play suffered but lets make Flowers happy at any cost.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 12:47:50 GMT -5
I view Pugh as a much better player than Henandez and Flowers and was upset he was let go at the time.. I'm hoping they can draft a couple of good prospects at guard and tackle this next draft after they get a pass rusher.. I view him now as a better player, when he was here he wasn't very good when on the field he had major issues at tackle and was kind of like Hernandez with out the durability and toughness. I think in light of his injury issues they made the right move and it did follow him to AZ for the first year and so did the bottom 3rd play. I thought he was gonna be a stud at guard. Now letting him walk for 9.5 mil per was fine but drafting one guy in hernandez and making Hal Hunter his coach for 2 years was dumb as #$%@ they should have doubled dipped at guard with Nelson in the first and Will H in the second then again they wouldn't have gotten him because he was pretty much the #2 Guard after Nelson. A lot of our failures, this goes for before also at the OL position are do to the coaching they get Once Flarety left, Pugh and Richies play suffered but lets make Flowers happy at any cost. I thought Pugh held his own as the RT and the few games he played at LT. Much better games then I saw from the other two. I would've gone Nelson and the best rated RB in the 2nd or 3rd..
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 20, 2021 13:02:32 GMT -5
I view him now as a better player, when he was here he wasn't very good when on the field he had major issues at tackle and was kind of like Hernandez with out the durability and toughness. I think in light of his injury issues they made the right move and it did follow him to AZ for the first year and so did the bottom 3rd play. I thought he was gonna be a stud at guard. Now letting him walk for 9.5 mil per was fine but drafting one guy in hernandez and making Hal Hunter his coach for 2 years was dumb as #$%@ they should have doubled dipped at guard with Nelson in the first and Will H in the second then again they wouldn't have gotten him because he was pretty much the #2 Guard after Nelson. A lot of our failures, this goes for before also at the OL position are do to the coaching they get Once Flarety left, Pugh and Richies play suffered but lets make Flowers happy at any cost. I thought Pugh held his own as the RT and the few games he played at LT. Much better games then I saw from the other two. I would've gone Nelson and the best rated RB in the 2nd or 3rd.. We both wanted trade back but we don't quite know what the market was so... I do think a Nelson,Nick Chubb,Orlando Brown 1st 3 picks in 2018 (combined witb not paying Solder and leaving Flowers there for one more year at LT while Brown gets his feet wet at RT would look a lot better today ) Then of course I still make the Jones pick but I'm taking AJ Brown at 37 instead of trading up for Baker... (still taking Slayton in the 5tv) Fast foward today we have a ton of cap room even if we still mangle the Williams situation because we still have enough for Tomlinson and we bring in Reddick and still have cash left over Trade back and take Toney still..... At the very least we know what Jones is 100% and the offense is set one way or another (either keep Jones or Trade with Seattle for Wilson..we now have cap space for this too )....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 13:10:50 GMT -5
I thought Pugh held his own as the RT and the few games he played at LT. Much better games then I saw from the other two. I would've gone Nelson and the best rated RB in the 2nd or 3rd.. We both wanted trade back but we don't quite know what the market was so... I do think a Nelson,Nick Chubb,Orlando Brown 1st 3 picks in 2018 (combined witb not paying Solder and leaving Flowers there for one more year at LT while Brown gets his feet wet at RT would look a lot better today ) Then of course I still make the Jones pick but I'm taking AJ Brown at 37 instead of trading up for Baker... (still taking Slayton in the 5tv) Fast foward today we have a ton of cap room even if we still mangle the Williams situation because we still have enough for Tomlinson and we bring in Reddick and still have cash left over Trade back and take Toney still..... At the very least we know what Jones is 100% and the offense is set one way or another (either keep Jones or Trade with Seattle for Wilson..we now have cap space for this too ).... We can dream.. If they were to trade with the Colts or Broncos that year they still might have been able to draft Barkley.. I really hate the Getty signing more and more..
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 20, 2021 13:46:58 GMT -5
We both wanted trade back but we don't quite know what the market was so... I do think a Nelson,Nick Chubb,Orlando Brown 1st 3 picks in 2018 (combined witb not paying Solder and leaving Flowers there for one more year at LT while Brown gets his feet wet at RT would look a lot better today ) Then of course I still make the Jones pick but I'm taking AJ Brown at 37 instead of trading up for Baker... (still taking Slayton in the 5tv) Fast foward today we have a ton of cap room even if we still mangle the Williams situation because we still have enough for Tomlinson and we bring in Reddick and still have cash left over Trade back and take Toney still..... At the very least we know what Jones is 100% and the offense is set one way or another (either keep Jones or Trade with Seattle for Wilson..we now have cap space for this too ).... We can dream.. If they were to trade with the Colts or Broncos that year they still might have been able to draft Barkley.. I really hate the Getty signing more and more.. Remember how many times I say "thank God fans don't run this team " Other than a few psychos on here tell me any one of us would have done a worse job that this old man the past 4 years? Might he a top 10 worst GM of all time..right up there with Millen
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 20, 2021 14:03:59 GMT -5
I view him now as a better player, when he was here he wasn't very good when on the field he had major issues at tackle and was kind of like Hernandez with out the durability and toughness. I think in light of his injury issues they made the right move and it did follow him to AZ for the first year and so did the bottom 3rd play. I thought he was gonna be a stud at guard. Now letting him walk for 9.5 mil per was fine but drafting one guy in hernandez and making Hal Hunter his coach for 2 years was dumb as #$%@ they should have doubled dipped at guard with Nelson in the first and Will H in the second then again they wouldn't have gotten him because he was pretty much the #2 Guard after Nelson. A lot of our failures, this goes for before also at the OL position are do to the coaching they get Once Flarety left, Pugh and Richies play suffered but lets make Flowers happy at any cost. I thought Pugh held his own as the RT and the few games he played at LT. Much better games then I saw from the other two. I would've gone Nelson and the best rated RB in the 2nd or 3rd.. Thats what I mean with Pugh he would get you going have a really solid game then throw out a clunker it's neither here nor there tho, your plan for the draft would have been solid for sure, I'm hoping that they get it right don't think I can watch this without hope of improvement, At a Younger age I did it don't think I'm down for round 4 really this counts as 2.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 14:20:53 GMT -5
I thought Pugh held his own as the RT and the few games he played at LT. Much better games then I saw from the other two. I would've gone Nelson and the best rated RB in the 2nd or 3rd.. Thats what I mean with Pugh he would get you going have a really solid game then throw out a clunker it's neither here nor there tho, your plan for the draft would have been solid for sure, I'm hoping that they get it right don't think I can watch this without hope of improvement, At a Younger age I did it don't think I'm down for round 4 really this counts as 2. Pugh always sucked bad against the Eagles!! I have lost all hope but do love watching the sport..
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Post by vinnie on Oct 20, 2021 16:14:28 GMT -5
If he’s above average, which you claim, then I assume you would want him extended. That’s what you do with good players, extend them, which is why he shouldn’t get an extension but probably will because it’s the Giants way. Over pay for mediocrity or below average players. Maybe you might get it next year if they sign or draft guard that is giving up sacks pressures and missing games What so do you mean, we already had that in Lemieux and Hernandez, no need to raise the bar. Our coaching staff and FO are happy with who they have. www.sportscasting.com/new-york-giants-offensive-line-bad-joe-judge-using-4-coaches-try-fix-it/
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 20, 2021 16:25:58 GMT -5
Thats thing they weren't having any problem protecting until the last 2 weeks when they were using the their 4th and 5th left Guard and 2 Left tackle and second center.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 20, 2021 16:32:47 GMT -5
Thats thing they weren't having any problem protecting until the last 2 weeks when they were using the their 4th and 5th left Guard and 2 Left tackle and second center. Man, how standards have fallen. Even when this O line plays bad, it’s considered good to some Giants fans. To say they didn’t have any problems protecting is quite an exaggeration.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 20, 2021 20:06:17 GMT -5
Thats thing they weren't having any problem protecting until the last 2 weeks when they were using the their 4th and 5th left Guard and 2 Left tackle and second center. Man, how standards have fallen. Even when this O line plays bad, it’s considered good to some Giants fans. To say they didn’t have any problems protecting is quite an exaggeration. Really they had 2 games with 0 sacks 1 game with2 and that is with injuries. some fans like to make things worse then they are lol.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 20, 2021 21:49:59 GMT -5
Man, how standards have fallen. Even when this O line plays bad, it’s considered good to some Giants fans. To say they didn’t have any problems protecting is quite an exaggeration. Really they had 2 games with 0 sacks 1 game with2 and that is with injuries. some fans like to make things worse then they are lol. You keep bringing up sacks like their common amongst most O linemen. Great, he hasn’t give up a sack, that doesn’t make him a good player. Again, when you have 2-3 guys on your team who recently led the league in sacks and/or pressures (Solder, Thomas, Lemieux) than I can see why you think so highly of Hernandez. I mean if you think this O line is that good, then why not just bring them all back as starters next year and cut bait with Lemieux and Gates (or make rhem back ups) since this line was much worse with them in the line up?
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