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Post by Modog on Sept 26, 2024 23:00:23 GMT -5
For someone who was dubbed a great deep ball thrower, I have never seen someone consistently miss on deep balls where guys are wide open. In previous weeks he missed by overthrowing guys by 5 yards and at least 3 times today he under threw balls that were big plays or possibly TDs He hasn't thrown accurate deep balls since the neck and leg injuries. Not as bad/huge of a drop off as Peyton Manning after neck surgery but the loss of accuracy deep is obvious. It's a shame DJ actually has some pieces around him now but seems to have lost his touch on the deep ball. Easy to blame the neck injury, but it's not like he was good deep ball thrower prior. Sure 2022 his percentage was high, but he also had the lowest sample size of throws with 13 throws of 20+ Fact is, he was perceived as having a weak arm in scouting reports from college. He's never been an impressive arm talent |
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 26, 2024 23:02:32 GMT -5
Completely frustrating. He was more accurate than his number suggest because he was playing catch up late in the 4th quarter, but he was also less accurate than his numbers suggest because many of his completions were off target. He completely missed on multiple deep throws which would’ve likely led to TDs. In other words, it was a typical Daniel Jones game.
If I had to give him a grade, I’d give him a C-.
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Post by sanddc178 on Sept 26, 2024 23:04:14 GMT -5
Jones is damaged goods. Whatever franchise QB promise he showed early in his career has all but evaporated.
Prior coaching is partly to blame for him checking down so much (although I understand the rationale) but it really doesn't matter at this point. This is who he has been for a while now and hopefully we finally move on this offseason.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 26, 2024 23:06:54 GMT -5
It is absolutely scary thinking about what this offense would look like without Nabers. Running game has looked pathetic the last two weeks. The gameplan was obviously very run heavy but they had a hard time getting 2 yards on any run. I kept on hearing all week how Dallas had a historically bad run defense. That's because Dallas sold out to stop the run to force Daniel Jones to beat them. He had NO answer for that. He had plenty of protection and great one on one opportunities with Nabers against CB's other than Diggs. And he had no ability or willingness to take advantage. I don't care what the "stats" show. It was a horrible game by our QB. It was dump off after dump off, when Dallas was daring him to beat them over the top. |
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Post by lt56 on Sept 26, 2024 23:15:51 GMT -5
 it is over, the stats look decent if you didn't watch the game but so misleading not all his fault of course BUT besides those 2 Key Drops from Wan'Dale and Nabers, long before that it was opportunities that he missed and drives he couldn't finish and throws he just simply couldn't not make Deep Ball looks awful, explains why Hyatt is not being used though, DJ is physically incapable of getting that ball to Hyatt downfield Awful in Primetime, not the type of QB who can make people better around him and is incapable of playing big time vs the better teams and the Cowboys or not even that good this season and still he cannot deliver against them Doesn't matter what happens for the rest of the season, DJ is OUT after this season |
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 26, 2024 23:19:01 GMT -5
He hasn't thrown accurate deep balls since the neck and leg injuries. Not as bad/huge of a drop off as Peyton Manning after neck surgery but the loss of accuracy deep is obvious. It's a shame DJ actually has some pieces around him now but seems to have lost his touch on the deep ball. Easy to blame the neck injury, but it's not like he was good deep ball thrower prior. Sure 2022 his percentage was high, but he also had the lowest sample size of throws with 13 throws of 20+ Fact is, he was perceived as having a weak arm in scouting reports from college. He's never been an impressive arm talent I saw some mixed scouting reports on his arm strength but I thought it used to be average. Now it looks below that and he's also lost some accuracy. Stretched the field a lot as a rookie but just don't see it anymore. Will need a miracle at this point to save his Giants career. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on Sept 26, 2024 23:27:19 GMT -5
He hasn't thrown accurate deep balls since the neck and leg injuries. Not as bad/huge of a drop off as Peyton Manning after neck surgery but the loss of accuracy deep is obvious. It's a shame DJ actually has some pieces around him now but seems to have lost his touch on the deep ball. Easy to blame the neck injury, but it's not like he was good deep ball thrower prior. Sure 2022 his percentage was high, but he also had the lowest sample size of throws with 13 throws of 20+ Fact is, he was perceived as having a weak arm in scouting reports from college. He's never been an impressive arm talent Been saying he's a limited processor with average arm talent for years and was called crazy. The odd thing is, he looks very similar to his peak 2022 form right now. Not sure why there is such a difference in perception. As a fan base, most refuse to look at this play in isolation and see the warts for what they are. No accountability for Jones, heightened accountability for the rest of the roster to compensate |
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Post by giantbob71 on Sept 26, 2024 23:38:20 GMT -5
For someone who was dubbed a great deep ball thrower, I have never seen someone consistently miss on deep balls where guys are wide open. In previous weeks he missed by overthrowing guys by 5 yards and at least 3 times today he under threw balls that were big plays or possibly TDs He hasn't thrown accurate deep balls since the neck and leg injuries. Not as bad/huge of a drop off as Peyton Manning after neck surgery but the loss of accuracy deep is obvious. It's a shame DJ actually has some pieces around him now but seems to have lost his touch on the deep ball. He hasn't thrown consistently good deep balls since 2019...and even then, there weren't a ton. I guarantee he's thrown the fewest balls, over 20 yards, of any QB since he entered the league...and I bet it's not close. |
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Post by SG88 on Sept 26, 2024 23:45:09 GMT -5
It is absolutely scary thinking about what this offense would look like without Nabers. Running game has looked pathetic the last two weeks. The gameplan was obviously very run heavy but they had a hard time getting 2 yards on any run. I kept on hearing all week how Dallas had a historically bad run defense. It is unreal that they averaged less than 2 yards per carry against the worst run defense in the league. |
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Post by solomonphoenix56 on Sept 27, 2024 0:37:54 GMT -5
He was ****ing awful. Dump off. Dump off. Dump off. Dump off...Dump off. Nabers one on one with a back up and he doesn't even look his way. If they cut him tonight it would be too soon. It is absolutely scary thinking about what this offense would look like without Nabers. lol frightening. We might find out in Seattle |
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Post by ncgiantsfan on Sept 27, 2024 1:17:20 GMT -5
Underthrew every deep ball. He left multiple TD's out there. We need a qb with an actual arm, Jones isn't it.
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Post by Analyst on Sept 27, 2024 5:11:42 GMT -5
For my own personal sanity, I want to watch anyone else play QB for this team. You saw TT and TDV last year play much better with the same team. I would imagine another QB would outperform him similarly this year. |
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Post by hadenough on Sept 27, 2024 5:20:48 GMT -5
For my own personal sanity, I want to watch anyone else play QB for this team. You saw TT and TDV last year play much better with the same team. I would imagine another QB would outperform him similarly this year. Sparks…they provided sparks. Exciting plays. Extending plays. Play making throws. Jones just can’t do that. |
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Post by Aris on Sept 27, 2024 5:30:13 GMT -5
Running game has looked pathetic the last two weeks. The gameplan was obviously very run heavy but they had a hard time getting 2 yards on any run. I kept on hearing all week how Dallas had a historically bad run defense. He had plenty of protection and great one on one opportunities with Nabers against CB's other than Diggs. And he had no ability or willingness to take advantage. I don't care what the "stats" show. It was a horrible game by our QB. It was dump off after dump off, when Dallas was daring him to beat them over the top. This/ |
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Post by te88 on Sept 27, 2024 5:31:58 GMT -5
For my own personal sanity, I want to watch anyone else play QB for this team. You saw TT and TDV last year play much better with the same team. I would imagine another QB would outperform him similarly this year. One of the first things Tyrod did was take a shot down the field and complete it. We all know what we are seeing. At the time he was drafted we had Shurmur saying arm strength isn’t that big a deal etc. well now this guy has had neck and knee injuries so whatever power he was able to generate is absolutely reduced. And when you have a mediocre arm to begin with…he is now officially weak. I’d rather have Jameis Winston and throw 30 picks a year than this garbage. |
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Post by giantbob71 on Sept 27, 2024 5:37:22 GMT -5
You saw TT and TDV last year play much better with the same team. I would imagine another QB would outperform him similarly this year. One of the first things Tyrod did was take a shot down the field and complete it. We all know what we are seeing. At the time he was drafted we had Shurmur saying arm strength isn’t that big a deal etc. well now this guy has had neck and knee injuries so whatever power he was able to generate is absolutely reduced. And when you have a mediocre arm to begin with…he is now officially weak. I’d rather have Jameis Winston and throw 30 picks a year than this garbage. You had that in 2019 (including fumbles.) |
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Post by giantbob71 on Sept 27, 2024 5:38:37 GMT -5
Running game has looked pathetic the last two weeks. The gameplan was obviously very run heavy but they had a hard time getting 2 yards on any run. I kept on hearing all week how Dallas had a historically bad run defense. It is unreal that they averaged less than 2 yards per carry against the worst run defense in the league. They barely averaged one yard. |
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Post by Analyst on Sept 27, 2024 5:55:30 GMT -5
It is unreal that they averaged less than 2 yards per carry against the worst run defense in the league. They barely averaged one yard. This is why Saquon is glad he is gone. He would have produced similarly like he has in the past. When defenses don't respect a QBs arm they play closer to the LOS which can basically eliminate a run game and short pass game. Exactly what we saw last night. I expect Seattle and their top ranked defense to do the same. 2024 is cooked unless Lock is our Sam Darnold. And unfortunately that means looking for a new QB and a HC search is on deck. And probably another reset. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 27, 2024 6:28:47 GMT -5
I would hazard a guess that there are back up quarterbacks in this league that could do exactly what Jones did last night, plus actually throw the ball to wide open receivers deep.
He is not only incapable of throwing an accurate deep ball, he is not seeing open receivers because he is checking the ball down too quickly if his first read isn't there.
If you can stomach it, watch it again. You will see. What do you think Dallas is thinking after that game? Thank God that Daniel Jones was the QB in that game.
Until they realize (or admit) that Daniel Jones is the one holding back this offense, this will continue.
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Post by gumby on Sept 27, 2024 6:47:10 GMT -5
Yeah, this dink and dunk sucks. Yeah he can't throw the ball down the field. Right now, it's managing expectations lol. He had a decent game. Our WRs gotta help him out. Although they suck too.
Plenty of blame all around.
Our OL is solid though.
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Post by Modog on Sept 27, 2024 7:11:41 GMT -5
Nabers beat his guy by 3-4 steps. This should be a TD, if #8 can throw it where it needs to be. Instead he throws it way late and way behind and should have easily been a INT
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 27, 2024 7:16:16 GMT -5
They barely averaged one yard. This is why Saquon is glad he is gone. He would have produced similarly like he has in the past. When defenses don't respect a QBs arm they play closer to the LOS which can basically eliminate a run game and short pass game. Exactly what we saw last night. I expect Seattle and their top ranked defense to do the same. 2024 is cooked unless Lock is our Sam Darnold. And unfortunately that means looking for a new QB and a HC search is on deck. And probably another reset. Barkley might’ve had similar stats on a play to play basis, but there are chunk plays he would’ve been able to pick up for us that are being left on the field due to the current lack of talent. Nothing against Singletary but he’s a very average RB once he makes the first defender miss. Said it last night, but I’d start expanding the RB rotation. Get Tracy more involved and consider bringing up Miller. Not only can Miller be a potential return man but if we’re going to throw everything within 5 yards of the LOS we might as well have some players with the juice to take it to the house. |
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 27, 2024 7:19:23 GMT -5
Nabers beat his guy by 3-4 steps. This should be a TD, if #8 can throw it where it needs to be. Instead he throws it way behind and should have easily been a INT Too many examples of this last night. Pull the plug now and give QB2 a free extra days to prepare with the extended time off. |
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Post by Analyst on Sept 27, 2024 7:23:55 GMT -5
Nabers beat his guy by 3-4 steps. This should be a TD, be #8 can throw it where it needs to be. Instead he throws it way behind and could have easily been a INT He is a useless QB. We all just saw what Jayden Daniels did for Washington Monday Night with his strong arm and ability to drill deep passes. It aggravates me to no end that we didnt move on from DJ when we had the chance and have to waste yet another year of our lives watching crap. |
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Post by Analyst on Sept 27, 2024 7:26:13 GMT -5
This is why Saquon is glad he is gone. He would have produced similarly like he has in the past. When defenses don't respect a QBs arm they play closer to the LOS which can basically eliminate a run game and short pass game. Exactly what we saw last night. I expect Seattle and their top ranked defense to do the same. 2024 is cooked unless Lock is our Sam Darnold. And unfortunately that means looking for a new QB and a HC search is on deck. And probably another reset. Barkley might’ve had similar stats on a play to play basis, but there are chunk plays he would’ve been able to pick up for us that are being left on the field due to the current lack of talent. Nothing against Singletary but he’s a very average RB once he makes the first defender miss. Said it last night, but I’d start expanding the RB rotation. Get Tracy more involved and consider bringing up Miller. Not only can Miller be a potential return man but if we’re going to throw everything within 5 yards of the LOS we might as well have some players with the juice to take it to the house. It wont matter who we have at RB until we have a QB who can throw a deep ball. |
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Post by Analyst on Sept 27, 2024 7:26:35 GMT -5
Wan'Dale Robinson caught 8 passes for 50 yards on 9 targets on 3rd down against the Cowboys.
Despite the high catch rate, they only converted 2/9 of those 3rd downs. Both conversions were caught 4 yards behind the 1st down marker.
This is DJs limitations severely hampering our offense.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2024 7:43:39 GMT -5
This game was set up for Jones to win it. There was plenty of blame to go around, but if Jones could've made the throws he should be able to make, we wouldn't won by two scores. This should have been a 10point win. Giants are a team like the Texans plug a QB in that can make some plays they are probably 3-1 on the season. If they get lucky and pay a vet trade or draft one I expect them to turn this thing around rapidly I saw a lot of hand wringing about the offense the offense had several guys open deep and everyone even the ones that were hit were undertrown. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2024 7:46:37 GMT -5
He hasn't thrown accurate deep balls since the neck and leg injuries. Not as bad/huge of a drop off as Peyton Manning after neck surgery but the loss of accuracy deep is obvious. It's a shame DJ actually has some pieces around him now but seems to have lost his touch on the deep ball. Easy to blame the neck injury, but it's not like he was good deep ball thrower prior. Sure 2022 his percentage was high, but he also had the lowest sample size of throws with 13 throws of 20+ Fact is, he was perceived as having a weak arm in scouting reports from college. He's never been an impressive arm talent I think he was better but still not great. the Neck could have something to do with it but it was never great he has some impeccable pockets to throw from base and everything is sound on a lot of those throws it's a problem it is losing games for the team. |
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 27, 2024 7:47:45 GMT -5
Wan'Dale Robinson caught 8 passes for 50 yards on 9 targets on 3rd down against the Cowboys. Despite the high catch rate, they only converted 2/9 of those 3rd downs. Both conversions were caught 4 yards behind the 1st down marker. This is DJs limitations severely hampering our offense. Robinson was infuriating last night. How many times is he going to run a route short of the sticks? Those are rookie mistakes. He made some plays but he left even more in the field. Why is this always the case with Giants players? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2024 7:51:06 GMT -5
This is why Saquon is glad he is gone. He would have produced similarly like he has in the past. When defenses don't respect a QBs arm they play closer to the LOS which can basically eliminate a run game and short pass game. Exactly what we saw last night. I expect Seattle and their top ranked defense to do the same. 2024 is cooked unless Lock is our Sam Darnold. And unfortunately that means looking for a new QB and a HC search is on deck. And probably another reset. Barkley might’ve had similar stats on a play to play basis, but there are chunk plays he would’ve been able to pick up for us that are being left on the field due to the current lack of talent. Nothing against Singletary but he’s a very average RB once he makes the first defender miss. Said it last night, but I’d start expanding the RB rotation. Get Tracy more involved and consider bringing up Miller. Not only can Miller be a potential return man but if we’re going to throw everything within 5 yards of the LOS we might as well have some players with the juice to take it to the house. Tracey had a big play called back and a really tough physical catch and run he is learning he has only been and RB for year |
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