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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2024 9:48:32 GMT -5
It is time to change it up think that is by design for them to make someone miss but with teams not respecting the deep ball as much they will rally to ball and put the hurts on our WRs. This deep ball issue is a huge issue he has missed on every one over the first 4 games. We can continue to point fingers at this player and that player, this coaching call and that coaching call, but nearly every issue this team has stems from the QB play. We've become numb to it, and most of us are tired of using it as the excuse, but everything always seems to come back to the QB. This should have been a 10 point win it was lost on missed opportunities in the passing game really simple. All anyone has to do is go back to last year when TT took over the second time and was throwing deep with anticipation without the type of WRs or OL the Giants have now his back foot hit the turf and the ball was out and the big play was back in Dabolls offense that simple. Fast forward to this year Jones is trying but he holds it till his target is open by then it is to late throwing a spot is what needs to happen. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 27, 2024 9:49:01 GMT -5
Giants lost.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2024 9:50:39 GMT -5
They barely averaged one yard. Even with Dallas loading up on stopping the run and letting 8 beat them, that is embarrassing. Dallas has used this formula of letting 8 beat then for years. It clearly has worked for them since they've had their foot on our throats for a very long time. This is the first time where there ar no more excuses he was protected had time had open WRs he can't get it done consistently. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 27, 2024 9:52:11 GMT -5
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Post by SG88 on Sept 27, 2024 9:54:03 GMT -5
Even with Dallas loading up on stopping the run and letting 8 beat them, that is embarrassing. Dallas has used this formula of letting 8 beat then for years. It clearly has worked for them since they've had their foot on our throats for a very long time. This is the first time where there ar no more excuses he was protected had time had open WRs he can't get it done consistently. I'm going to stop using phrases like "he needs to be better" at x,y, or z. He just isn't capable. It is what it is with this QB. He's bad for morale. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 27, 2024 10:05:36 GMT -5
This is the first time where there ar no more excuses he was protected had time had open WRs he can't get it done consistently. I'm going to stop using phrases like "he needs to be better" at x,y, or z. He just isn't capable. It is what it is with this QB. He's bad for morale. Thats the the cold hard truth I DG had done what he should have drafted a top WR and at least get the OL average this would have been a done deal already. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 27, 2024 10:10:30 GMT -5
This is the first time where there ar no more excuses he was protected had time had open WRs he can't get it done consistently. I'm going to stop using phrases like "he needs to be better" at x,y, or z. He just isn't capable. It is what it is with this QB. He's bad for morale. well said.. that sums it up nicely |
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Post by lasion2 on Sept 27, 2024 10:18:22 GMT -5
For my own personal sanity, I want to watch anyone else play QB for this team. You saw TT and TDV last year play much better with the same team. I would imagine another QB would outperform him similarly this year. That’s what seems odd to me. Even in this thread most posters saying dj is gone this offseason… Why are we waiting? Send him home. I’m not saying the giants are a playoff team with Lock or Devito, but I’d be immediately more interested and entertained. Keeps Jones out of injury guarantee as well. Schoen, if he still works here, is gonna need that cap space to dig out of this mess. |
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Post by Analyst on Sept 27, 2024 10:45:27 GMT -5
Sad.... This team would be 3-1 right now with even an average QB who could throw it deep.  |
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Post by jaymas on Sept 27, 2024 10:48:56 GMT -5
Sad.... This team would be 3-1 right now with even an average QB who could throw it deep. If Tyrod Taylor was our QB, we'd be 3-1. Well maybe not, because he also would have gotten hurt...but yeah I agree with you. The point is real. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 27, 2024 10:49:20 GMT -5
You saw TT and TDV last year play much better with the same team. I would imagine another QB would outperform him similarly this year. That’s what seems odd to me. Even in this thread most posters saying dj is gone this offseason… Why are we waiting? Send him home. I’m not saying the giants are a playoff team with Lock or Devito, but I’d be immediately more interested and entertained. Keeps Jones out of injury guarantee as well. Schoen, if he still works here, is gonna need that cap space to dig out of this mess. People are scared of losing jobs and even though Jones is a limited QB he still gives them the best chance at winning (i think). If Daboll trots out Lock or Devito and they continue to lose the optics look horrible and Mara most likely would not be happy. Mara likes Daniel. So as fans, we see it as okay Daniel Jones is limited and not getting the job done. We're sick of watching him and even if it means replacing him with another backup qb its okay to us bc its just something different at least. They don't see it that way. Daniel jones is still good enough to win a football games against crappy teams. So 6 wins is better to them than 3 |
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Post by jaymas on Sept 27, 2024 10:50:27 GMT -5
That’s what seems odd to me. Even in this thread most posters saying dj is gone this offseason… Why are we waiting? Send him home. I’m not saying the giants are a playoff team with Lock or Devito, but I’d be immediately more interested and entertained. Keeps Jones out of injury guarantee as well. Schoen, if he still works here, is gonna need that cap space to dig out of this mess. . If Daboll trots out Luck or Devito and they continue to lose the optics look horrible and Mara most likely would not be happy. Mara likes Daniel. So as fans, we see it as okay Daniel Jones is limited and not getting the job done. We're sick of watching him and even if it means replacing him with another backup qb its okay to us bc its just something different at least. They don't see it that way. Daniel jones is still good enough to win a football games against crappy teams. So 6 wins is better to them than 3 While I understand this sentiment to a degree, I genuinely don't think we have evidence for that anymore. |
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Post by dream8 on Sept 27, 2024 10:51:37 GMT -5
Sad.... This team would be 3-1 right now with even an average QB who could throw it deep. Even the deep ball completed to Nabers on the first drive was a HORRID throw. If he hits Nabers in stride there? He's absolutely getting to the end zone. |
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Post by Analyst on Sept 27, 2024 10:56:29 GMT -5
Sad.... This team would be 3-1 right now with even an average QB who could throw it deep. Even the deep ball completed to Nabers on the first drive was a HORRID throw. If he hits Nabers in stride there? He's absolutely getting to the end zone. We are literally losing football games because Daniel Jones cant throw a ****ing football, and Im sick of it. I spend too much time reading watching living breathing this damn team. I was praying he would have retired after the neck injury. I dont want to see him anymore. He is awful. The more I watch these highlights from last night and realize how open the WRs are getting, and how he keeps screwing it up, its maddening. Daboll has to see this and bench him. |
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Post by jaymas on Sept 27, 2024 11:02:41 GMT -5
The pass protection was so good last night too. Has been all year. We've got great pass pro and Malik Nabers, the early frontrunner for ROY.
What are the excuses for Daniel Jones at this point, for the crowd that's still hanging on?
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Post by jaymas on Sept 27, 2024 11:05:09 GMT -5
Even the deep ball completed to Nabers on the first drive was a HORRID throw. If he hits Nabers in stride there? He's absolutely getting to the end zone. We are literally losing football games because Daniel Jones cant throw a ****ing football, and Im sick of it. I spend too much time reading watching living breathing this damn team. I was praying he would have retired after the neck injury. I dont want to see him anymore. He is awful. The more I watch these highlights from last night and realize how open the WRs are getting, and how he keeps screwing it up, its maddening. Daboll has to see this and bench him. Dabs offense (and the things Kafka brought from the Chiefs), gets guys open, always has. It was even getting a crap pile of WRs open in 2022. Nabers has gone out of his way to highlight Daboll's creativity as a playcaller and give him props on helping him get open. I don't want to lose a system or coaching that is good for the offense. I hope they do the right thing and make a move at QB. For this season and for their futures, honestly. |
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 27, 2024 11:06:58 GMT -5
Jones received a high grade for the game due to his excellent game management but interesting stat regarding Jones.
What happened?
Seems like a physical issue rather than a mental one, just hasn't been hitting the shots lately.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 27, 2024 11:41:49 GMT -5
Jones received a high grade for the game due to his excellent game management but interesting stat regarding Jones. What happened? Seems like a physical issue rather than a mental one, just hasn't been hitting the shots lately. At this point I'm hoping it's still rust. He missed a lot of time. Week one he was the worst QB in the world, he's made it clear since then that was rust. Is his deep ball just gone or is it rust? I don't have the answer but for our sake as fans I hope it's rust and he finds that grove. We will be dangerous if he figures out the deep ball. Daboll and co need to work some magic and fix that.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 27, 2024 11:53:28 GMT -5
Daniel Jones on 3rd downs was 11/14 for 103 yards and 5 yard rush for a first down. He very glaringly needs to fix his deep ball, however this is the best he has ever been in this phase of the game. Losing that game sucked last night but this team gave me some hope that we won't just get destroyed all season. Actually being able to convert 3rd downs, 1 three and out makes me excited to see next weeks game.
The O needs to find a running game, 26 yards rushing won't cut it. They need to stop dropping passes that hit their hands. And Jones needs to figure out the deep pass. If we can get a little better in each area we will be a threat to people. Hell we were a threat last night to Dallas and were horrible in those three areas.
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Post by Analyst on Sept 27, 2024 12:10:49 GMT -5
Andrew Thomas: 1 pressure
Jon Runyan: 3 pressures
John Michael Schmitz: 1 pressure
Greg Van Roten: 4 pressures
Jermaine Eluemunor: 1 pressure
0 sacks & 0 QB hits credited to the OL.
And he couldn't get a TD. Sorry, but this is on par with his career. He averages almost a TD per game. 66 TDs in 64 games now. Its ridiculous to defend.
He hasnt thrown a TD in the last 4 home games. Something that hasnt happened in 74 years.
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Post by imgrate on Sept 27, 2024 13:10:23 GMT -5
Daniel Jones on 3rd downs was 11/14 for 103 yards and 5 yard rush for a first down. He very glaringly needs to fix his deep ball, however this is the best he has ever been in this phase of the game. Losing that game sucked last night but this team gave me some hope that we won't just get destroyed all season. Actually being able to convert 3rd downs, 1 three and out makes me excited to see next weeks game. The O needs to find a running game, 26 yards rushing won't cut it. They need to stop dropping passes that hit their hands. And Jones needs to figure out the deep pass. If we can get a little better in each area we will be a threat to people. Hell we were a threat last night to Dallas and were horrible in those three areas. Lol we converted 5 of 16 third downs. That’s horrid. We cant “find” a running game until DJ stops sucking ass at deep balls. Noone is afraid of getting beat over the top, so they stack up against the short stuff. |
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Post by inthezone on Sept 27, 2024 13:21:32 GMT -5
Daniel Jones on 3rd downs was 11/14 for 103 yards and 5 yard rush for a first down. He very glaringly needs to fix his deep ball, however this is the best he has ever been in this phase of the game. Losing that game sucked last night but this team gave me some hope that we won't just get destroyed all season. Actually being able to convert 3rd downs, 1 three and out makes me excited to see next weeks game. The O needs to find a running game, 26 yards rushing won't cut it. They need to stop dropping passes that hit their hands. And Jones needs to figure out the deep pass. If we can get a little better in each area we will be a threat to people. Hell we were a threat last night to Dallas and were horrible in those three areas. The run game will struggle until Jones proves he can make defenses pay for stacking the box. The Cowboys showed the rest of the league to sell out against the run and the 10-15+ yards pass plays will keep the Giants out of the end zone. |
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Post by gmen21 on Sept 27, 2024 14:41:02 GMT -5
He was ****ing awful. Dump off. Dump off. Dump off. Dump off...Dump off. Nabers one on one with a back up and he doesn't even look his way. If they cut him tonight it would be too soon. He is the problem. Finally have a good offensive line, dare I say very good offensive line and jones has yet to drive his team in 8 quarters of home football for a TD. |
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Post by inconvenientruth on Sept 27, 2024 14:56:23 GMT -5
Andrew Thomas: 1 pressure Jon Runyan: 3 pressures John Michael Schmitz: 1 pressure Greg Van Roten: 4 pressures Jermaine Eluemunor: 1 pressure 0 sacks & 0 QB hits credited to the OL. And he couldn't get a TD. Sorry, but this is on par with his career. He averages almost a TD per game. 66 TDs in 64 games now. Its ridiculous to defend. He hasnt thrown a TD in the last 4 home games. Something that hasnt happened in 74 years. It was never the problem, no matter what anyone said. This organization condones losing from the top to the bottom. Other organizations try to reach championships and the Giants are patting multimillionaires on their back for failing. The whole damn thing is rotten. Top to bottom. The fans deserve so much better. |
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Post by Analyst on Sept 27, 2024 15:08:45 GMT -5
Interesting.... Look at the top 4 names lol Daniel Jones is tied with Josh Allen?  |
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Post by miggs on Sept 27, 2024 16:27:49 GMT -5
How can Jones get passing touchdown when received don't run to the first down marker, no less the endzone!
Jones should have been 34-40, or 85 percent, last night with at least 340 yards but for dropped passes. Who else can do that?
He's a top rated NFL QB and showed that again last night having to overcome a crash coach who doesn't have him pass when defenses have to play both pass and the run.
He completed passes into tight coverages and made an acrobatic body spin move and complete a pass to the left that few can make. Even more if receivers ran to the first down marker and Giants were forced to punt. A guess he's blamed for the last interception. Lot of very stupid comments here. Some good one's Jones is very good. Daboll the worse.
If Daboll remains, I have Joes goes elsewhere and plays for a good coach. But Jones not going anywhere. Daboll realizes Jones did well, but is clueless on how bad he is. Try Kafka as play caller. Will be interesting to see what happens to Daboll.
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Post by Danke Schoen on Sept 27, 2024 17:41:35 GMT -5
Jones should have been 34-40, or 85 percent, last night with at least 340 yards but for dropped passes. Who else can do that? Do you use mercury as eye drops? |
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Post by Danke Schoen on Sept 27, 2024 17:45:31 GMT -5
How can Jones get passing touchdown when received don't run to the first down marker, no less the endzone! Jones should have been 34-40, or 85 percent, last night with at least 340 yards but for dropped passes. Who else can do that? He's a top rated NFL QB and showed that again last night having to overcome a crash coach who doesn't have him pass when defenses have to play both pass and the run. He completed passes into tight coverages and made an acrobatic body spin move and complete a pass to the left that few can make. Even more if receivers ran to the first down marker and Giants were forced to punt. A guess he's blamed for the last interception. Lot of very stupid comments here. Some good one's Jones is very good. Daboll the worse. If Daboll remains, I have Joes goes elsewhere and plays for a good coach. But Jones not going anywhere. Daboll realizes Jones did well, but is clueless on how bad he is. Try Kafka as play caller. Will be interesting to see what happens to Daboll. No losses will be on Jones. Deal with it. Well you're definitely generating enough excuses to keep your prognostication alive. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 27, 2024 17:49:35 GMT -5
You saw TT and TDV last year play much better with the same team. I would imagine another QB would outperform him similarly this year. That’s what seems odd to me. Even in this thread most posters saying dj is gone this offseason… Why are we waiting? Send him home. I’m not saying the giants are a playoff team with Lock or Devito, but I’d be immediately more interested and entertained. Keeps Jones out of injury guarantee as well. Schoen, if he still works here, is gonna need that cap space to dig out of this mess. what is it any injury he'll get guaranteed money or an injury that will end his season, or what? |
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Post by lt56 on Sept 27, 2024 17:49:49 GMT -5
was so much damn AIR?...even on that one where Nabers got wide open it was very late and a damn Floater which slowed him down from cutting up field and cutting back inside on that Safety for a TD
was it Windy last night? WTF!
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