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Post by snyder55 on Jun 14, 2018 10:06:42 GMT -5
Not sure if that's true but we can hope. Eli's "clock" has always been set pretty early, and he's never had the tendency to hit the snooze button. I don't know,he seemed to have hit it with Tyree in the super bowl. thats very true he did have his moments but just not lately...
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 14, 2018 10:12:44 GMT -5
Not sure if that's true but we can hope. Eli's "clock" has always been set pretty early, and he's never had the tendency to hit the snooze button. I don't know,he seemed to have hit it with Tyree in the super bowl. And we are all thankful for that play. We were all a lot younger then......as was Eli. It was definitely out of character, just as Michael Strahan said.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 14, 2018 10:13:46 GMT -5
No problem Byron. I probably didn't state my point clearly. The comment I made about fans being very supportive of Eli on a personal level was made in reference to MS's comment that "Many folks here seem to NEED to think that Eli is still some great QB." I think that is an accurate comment.
Fans take discussion on Eli very personally compared to the other players.
Was he ever truly great? I don’t think so. Certainly he he has been a very good QB who has been great at times, but consistently great? I don’t think so.
Consistently great no, but that hasn't stopped a contingent of fans from arguing adamantly that he is, or telling us he's the best QB we've ever had.
I love the guy. I truly do, and there was a time that I believed he was as well, but not any longer.
He undoubtedly is one of the Giants greats and I would like nothing better than to see him finish his career on a high note.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 14, 2018 10:19:54 GMT -5
Not sure if you told me that, but I have heard that about Kerry in that game. And we are in total agreement about Eli in that if Eli gets pressured too much, I don't expect him to play well.
However I am hopeful the changes with the offense will put defenses on their heels a bit. Think about having to stop Beckham, Engram, and Barkley. That trio should keep DC's awake at night, while taking pressure off of Eli at the same time.
Eli could do some serious damage in an offense like this.
Wishful thinking?
It's the same proclamation that many have been saying before each season, for quite a few years now. Of course Barkley is a different type threat, who is versatile and will get more touches - but the "weapons" theory has proved to be completely false... without the line protection. But I do believe that, plus the complimentary blocking, will be much improved this coming season.
Yes, it's the whole package including the scheme, the coaching, and the Oline as well.
When you put all that together along with the weapons, I think the Giants did as well as they could do to give Eli an opportunity to be at his best. I have no idea if it will happen, but I'd like to think so.
Put it another way. I tend to believe Eli is still capable of playing the game at a higher level than we saw the last 2 years.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 14, 2018 10:22:36 GMT -5
I believe Manning still has the physical tools and cerebral ability for finding the best option receiver in him, but regaining the confidence to hang in there in a less than perfect pocket is going to be a big question mark. He could probably make a dozen more productive plays per game, if he does that. But will preseason drills or limited time in games bring that - or will he or the line itself need more than a couple regular season games to establish effectiveness? Every QB has a clock in his head. Last years OL had that clock set way to quickly. If this OL gives him a little more time I think his clock will be reset.
Last year the alarm bells began ringing the moment the ball was snapped.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 14, 2018 11:46:34 GMT -5
Every QB has a clock in his head. Last years OL had that clock set way to quickly. If this OL gives him a little more time I think his clock will be reset. I have a lot of concerns about that clock being reset. Yeah, I think that was morehead’s point yesterday. It’s just that I hate agreeing with him so much! It’s the worst
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 14, 2018 11:49:26 GMT -5
I have a lot of concerns about that clock being reset. Yeah, I think that was morehead’s point yesterday. It’s just that I hate agreeing with him so much! It’s the worst I don't even like agreeing with myself.
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 14, 2018 14:08:39 GMT -5
I have a lot of concerns about that clock being reset. Yeah, I think that was morehead’s point yesterday. It’s just that I hate agreeing with him so much! It’s the worst I'm gonna die a little inside when I type this, but...he really does have the most reasonable position in all of this.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 14, 2018 14:20:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that was morehead’s point yesterday. It’s just that I hate agreeing with him so much! It’s the worst I'm gonna die a little inside when I type this, but...he really does have the most reasonable position in all of this. That's because I got me some smarts real good.....
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 14, 2018 14:33:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that was morehead’s point yesterday. It’s just that I hate agreeing with him so much! It’s the worst I'm gonna die a little inside when I type this, but...he really does have the most reasonable position in all of this.
We may have to change MS' avatar if all this talk continues.
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Post by Delicreep on Jun 14, 2018 15:08:25 GMT -5
I don't even like agreeing with myself. Nether do I and my wife helps me with that. My wife just got back from a 5 day trip. She looked around the house and at the gardens and said, "Everything looks good, all things considered".I asked her is there was a way for me to not see "all things considered" to mean "despite you being in charge"?
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 14, 2018 15:19:57 GMT -5
Nether do I and my wife helps me with that. My wife just got back from a 5 day trip. She looked around the house and at the gardens and said, "Everything looks good, all things considered".I asked her is there was a way for me to not see "all things considered" to mean "despite you being in charge"? I'm sure she didn't answer and just smiled. Because she knows you're smart enough to know that's exactly what she meant.
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Post by Speedman on Jun 14, 2018 16:21:27 GMT -5
Every QB has a clock in his head. Last years OL had that clock set way to quickly. If this OL gives him a little more time I think his clock will be reset. That's fine, but when can we expect this to occur? Time is not on his side, and there appear to be certain expectations for THIS season. Early this year.
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Post by Speedman on Jun 14, 2018 16:21:59 GMT -5
Every QB has a clock in his head. Last years OL had that clock set way to quickly. If this OL gives him a little more time I think his clock will be reset. I have a lot of concerns about that clock being reset. I don’t.
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Post by Speedman on Jun 14, 2018 16:23:32 GMT -5
Every QB has a clock in his head. Last years OL had that clock set way to quickly. If this OL gives him a little more time I think his clock will be reset. Not sure if that's true but we can hope. Eli's "clock" has always been set pretty early, and he's never had the tendency to hit the snooze button. You would say something like this.
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Post by Speedman on Jun 14, 2018 16:28:35 GMT -5
Every QB has a clock in his head. Last years OL had that clock set way to quickly. If this OL gives him a little more time I think his clock will be reset.
Last year the alarm bells began ringing the moment the ball was snapped.
Agreed.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 14, 2018 18:59:06 GMT -5
Consistently great no, but that hasn't stopped a contingent of fans from arguing adamantly that he is, or telling us he's the best QB we've ever had.
I love the guy. I truly do, and there was a time that I believed he was as well, but not any longer.
He undoubtedly is one of the Giants greats and I would like nothing better than to see him finish his career on a high note. See ,I just don't see anyone saying Eli is great. Yes people are defending him as well they should from the droves of attackers but have the Giants ever truly had a great QB .Y.A Tittel was great but still he came to the Giants later in his career,Simms a great Giant no doubt but still not a HOF QB,Charlie Conerly, I think both these men were great(Simms too) and yes ALL should be HOF but are not. People a vast majority ot them feel Eli got the raw deal last year we are not talking his career but last year,me I think the last few years but as Morehead said Reese screwed all of us over ,just not Eli. I think MS is referring mostly to people from the old board whom haven't joined this one.
I also think that Reese/McAdoo felt they were doing right by Eli the last two years, just like every other coach and GM.
And I can picture Reese believing the offense was going to naturally progress coming off the previous year, but from what I saw, our offense didn't look very different than the previous season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 19:12:33 GMT -5
That's fine, but when can we expect this to occur? Time is not on his side, and there appear to be certain expectations for THIS season. Early this year. yup. If Eli is still as good as I believe he is, I think we should see it right away to begin the season. There’s not a lot of time to get a feel for the offense with the schedule they have. Take care of all of that in the pre season and get the ball rolling down field vs Jax.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 14, 2018 20:12:16 GMT -5
Not sure if that's true but we can hope. Eli's "clock" has always been set pretty early, and he's never had the tendency to hit the snooze button. You would say something like this. Actually.....I did.
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Post by Speedman on Jun 15, 2018 8:17:57 GMT -5
You would say something like this. Actually.....I did. Not a surprise to me.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 15, 2018 8:23:24 GMT -5
Well it's nice to be someone folks can count on.
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Post by TEM on Jun 16, 2018 6:54:19 GMT -5
Consistently great no, but that hasn't stopped a contingent of fans from arguing adamantly that he is, or telling us he's the best QB we've ever had.
I love the guy. I truly do, and there was a time that I believed he was as well, but not any longer.
He undoubtedly is one of the Giants greats and I would like nothing better than to see him finish his career on a high note. See ,I just don't see anyone saying Eli is great. Yes people are defending him as well they should from the droves of attackers but have the Giants ever truly had a great QB .Y.A Tittel was great but still he came to the Giants later in his career,Simms a great Giant no doubt but still not a HOF QB,Charlie Conerly, I think both these men were great(Simms too) and yes ALL should be HOF but are not. People a vast majority ot them feel Eli got the raw deal last year we are not talking his career but last year,me I think the last few years but as Morehead said Reese screwed all of us over ,just not Eli. Benny Freidman www.lively-arts.com/humaninterest/2002/0203/battlin_benny.htmBATTLIN' BENNY-- THE MAN WHO INVENTED THE PASSING GAME "Until then, the forward pass was not really a part of the offensive arsenal. The ball itself, a heavy, melon-shaped thing, was made for lugging and kicking, not tossing. The rules mitigated against the forward pass: the passer had to stand at least five yards behind the line of scrimmage and if he threw two consecutive incompletions, his team was penalized. An incomplete pass in the opposition's end zone resulted in the ball being forfeited. Because passing was considered a sissyish maneuver, roughing the passer was not only legal but encouraged.
The NFL kept few records in those days. Sports historians have had to rely on newspaper accounts and other sources to compile reasonably accurate statistics for the years Friedman spent in the league (1927-33). These statistics show that in those six years, the second-ranked passers, year by year, threw for aggregate totals of 3,770 yards and 27 touchdowns. Friedman, however, passed for at least 5,653 yards (50 per cent more than the runners-up) and 55 touchdowns (more than twice as many)."www.profootballhof.com/players/benny-friedman/" Benjamin Friedman. . .NFL’s first great passer . Threw league record 11 touchdown passes as rookie, 1927 Set another record with 20 TDs, 1929 (Record stood until 1942)Led league in touchdown passes four consecutive years (1927-1930) His 66 career touchdown passes was an NFL record for years. . . Triple-threat player, could run, pass, kick . . . Born March 18, 1905 in Cleveland, Ohio Died November 23, 1982, at age of 77. "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_FriedmanCareer accomplishments " "In his eight seasons in the NFL, statistics are incomplete, but he appeared in 81 games, compiled at least 5,326 passing yards, and had 66 touchdown passes and 51 passes intercepted. He was the NFL's career leader in passing yardage until Sammy Baugh's seventh NFL season in 1947. Friedman also totaled over 1,000 yards rushing and over 400 yards on punt returns. At the time of his retirement, Friedman also held the NFL record with 66 career touchdown passes." That is the definition of great ( the greatest Giants QB)
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 16, 2018 7:25:28 GMT -5
I think that some fans so adamantly defend him because there's a complex associated with being a Giants fan and Eli supporter. I have never seen a player so generally, widely mocked as Eli. Meme's, the faces, the constant degrading from other sources, players and so called experts around the league. I do believe that part of this was brought on by his initial, apparent refusal to play for the Chargers. However, as I recall Elway did the same exact thing and I don't hear that as a big discussion point surround him. It is what it is I guess.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 16, 2018 9:49:24 GMT -5
I think that some fans so adamantly defend him because there's a complex associated with being a Giants fan and Eli supporter. I have never seen a player so generally, widely mocked as Eli. Meme's, the faces, the constant degrading from other sources, players and so called experts around the league. I do believe that part of this was brought on by his initial, apparent refusal to play for the Chargers. However, as I recall Elway did the same exact thing and I don't hear that as a big discussion point surround him. It is what it is I guess. Elway did have to fight through it though. That first year he was no doubt a target, and got the crap knocked out of him because of it. Elway went on to prove he was one of the leagues best QB’s and that was the focus.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 16, 2018 12:18:52 GMT -5
I think that some fans so adamantly defend him because there's a complex associated with being a Giants fan and Eli supporter. I have never seen a player so generally, widely mocked as Eli. Meme's, the faces, the constant degrading from other sources, players and so called experts around the league. I do believe that part of this was brought on by his initial, apparent refusal to play for the Chargers. However, as I recall Elway did the same exact thing and I don't hear that as a big discussion point surround him. It is what it is I guess. Elway did have to fight through it though. That first year he was no doubt a target, and got the crap knocked out of him because of it. Elway went on to prove he was one of the leagues best QB’s and that was the focus. Well 2 SB rings, WPMOY and franchise face/iron man hasn’t stopped it from being discussed regarding Eli. I guess Elway was lucky his last name wasn’t Manning.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 16, 2018 12:42:21 GMT -5
Elway did have to fight through it though. That first year he was no doubt a target, and got the crap knocked out of him because of it. Elway went on to prove he was one of the leagues best QB’s and that was the focus. Well 2 SB rings, WPMOY and franchise face/iron man hasn’t stopped it from being discussed regarding Eli. I guess Elway was lucky his last name wasn’t Manning. That is definitely part of it. People look at his family as NFL royalty and many see Eli as lucky. As a Giants fan I can say I feel lucky we got him. 🙂
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Post by brownelvis54 on Jul 23, 2018 17:51:44 GMT -5
Well 2 SB rings, WPMOY and franchise face/iron man hasn’t stopped it from being discussed regarding Eli. I guess Elway was lucky his last name wasn’t Manning. That is definitely part of it. People look at his family as NFL royalty and many see Eli as lucky. As a Giants fan I can say I feel lucky we got him. 🙂 Me too
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