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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2018 13:40:08 GMT -5
At the time of the signing. We had Gallman and a Injured Perkins. It was the right move. We needed a back that could handle 15-25 touches a game. There was no guarantee at that point we were going to obtain Barkley. We needed a work horse back . Gallman at the time it was and is still unproven if he can carry the load running the ball. Going back to when the deal was made. It was a logical decision. I simply don't agree. Gallman played well enough last season behind a suspect line. Stewart was not a good signing. He's been completely invisible. At the time we had no one that a proven ball carrier that could carry the team. As a Gm you have to go with what you know. Gallman was and is not known how he will hold up being main ball carrier. Remember how good Perkins looked when he had his chances behind Jennings . Last year he became the featured back . We all know how that turned out. I see as it was the right move at the time.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 18, 2018 13:46:25 GMT -5
I simply don't agree. Gallman played well enough last season behind a suspect line. Stewart was not a good signing. He's been completely invisible. At the time we had no one that a proven ball carrier that could carry the team. As a Gm you have to go with what you know. Gallman was and is not known how he will hold up being main ball carrier. Remember how good Perkins looked when he had his chances behind Jennings . Last year he became the featured back . We all know how that turned out. I see as it was the right move at the time. And after the signing we still didn't.
It was a terrible signing.
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Post by TEM on Aug 18, 2018 14:12:42 GMT -5
At the time we had no one that a proven ball carrier that could carry the team. As a Gm you have to go with what you know. Gallman was and is not known how he will hold up being main ball carrier. Remember how good Perkins looked when he had his chances behind Jennings . Last year he became the featured back . We all know how that turned out. I see as it was the right move at the time. And after the signing we still didn't.
It was a terrible signing.
I see it differently. We needed an insurance policy . He was available for the price we could afford. Not the best back. But one that has proven a track record. He could do the job and protect the ball.
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 18, 2018 14:27:16 GMT -5
fair points on both sides. Even though i agree with the sentiment, that the talent was lacking even at the time of the signing, Tem makes a good point about everything is not the same as the day he was signed. I think that gettlemen wanted to change the locker room and team culture. Stewart was a great choice in that regard. also, if gettleman wanted to draft a young RB, stewart would be there to mentor and teach the lad. As it so happens, that is exactly what the situation is with barkley. BUT
But when it comes to cut down day, in my mind, you keep the best 53. If Stewart does not make the cut, i would not be upset, based on what i've seen so far. I don't think you keep a guy for mentoring reasons alone or based on performance of years past. It's unfair to the other Rbs who all have outperfromed stewart so far.
martin, Smith, scoot, gallman, and of course barkley have been head & shoulders better than anything stewart brings to the table so far from the little we've seen. they deserve better than a guy getting their job just because he has more experience and a bigger contract.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 18, 2018 15:15:56 GMT -5
And after the signing we still didn't.
It was a terrible signing.
I see it differently. We needed an insurance policy . He was available for the price we could afford. Not the best back. But one that has proven a track record. He could do the job and protect the ball. But he stinks. It's not hard to find a RB that stinks. What are we insuring? That we have an old, slow RB?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 15:37:53 GMT -5
I see it differently. We needed an insurance policy . He was available for the price we could afford. Not the best back. But one that has proven a track record. He could do the job and protect the ball. But he stinks. It's not hard to find a RB that stinks. What are we insuring? That we have an old, slow RB? My biggest gripe is he is one dimensional. In the last 3 years he has 32 receptions....only 8 catches a piece the past two years. This isn’t a Frank Gore type old guy. He isn’t even an insurance policy. Just an expensive situational guy. If he is on the field it’s either short yardage or he will be in there to pass protect. Ross Cockrell signed for 2 years 6.6 million....Jonathan Stewart signed for...2 years 6.8 million What makes it worse is Cockrell was in our building and we also gave up a late round pick to get him here. He was a solid cheap CB And Gettleman just let him go and then tied up the same amount of money on Stewart.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 18, 2018 18:11:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree with that. Stewart is going to save Barkley as the season wears on. Rookies tend to hit the wall their rookie year around 11-12 games into the season. Stewart will get tough carries. He can still run inside something Gallman has not proven. If Stewart can't do it then we can go to Gallman or so far maybe even Simmons. Stewart is a fine #2 for this year, I really feel Stewart is effective this season. I think it's going to work. When Barkley hits that wall most likely Stewart will be injured. Gallman Jr should be the second back, he has proven he can run inside the tackles and outside. Stewart is just an old back that our GM has a fascination with from his Carolina days. lol you may be absolutely right. Gallman the way he played the first 2 pre season games certainly deserves a chance. I just don't know if Gallman is as strong an inside runner as Stewart. That's why we brought Stewart here I would think. In case we didn't get Barkley and we had to go to plan B.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 18, 2018 18:26:02 GMT -5
But he stinks. It's not hard to find a RB that stinks. What are we insuring? That we have an old, slow RB? My biggest gripe is he is one dimensional. In the last 3 years he has 32 receptions....only 8 catches a piece the past two years. This isn’t a Frank Gore type old guy. He isn’t even an insurance policy. Just an expensive situational guy. If he is on the field it’s either short yardage or he will be in there to pass protect. Ross Cockrell signed for 2 years 6.6 million....Jonathan Stewart signed for...2 years 6.8 million What makes it worse is Cockrell was in our building and we also gave up a late round pick to get him here. He was a solid cheap CB And Gettleman just let him go and then tied up the same amount of money on Stewart. Yea but TE letting Cockrell go is all on Gettlemen. Stewart isn't responsible for that. Gettlemen knew Stewart he didn't know Cockrell, it was a mistake letting Cockrell go but at the time we didn't have a RB we felt we could count on.
Beside Stewart Gallman is a 2nd year back and the others I believe are all rookies. Lets see how it breaks these last 2 pre season games. The first game vs Jags defense is some tough treading.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 18:43:51 GMT -5
When Barkley hits that wall most likely Stewart will be injured. Gallman Jr should be the second back, he has proven he can run inside the tackles and outside. Stewart is just an old back that our GM has a fascination with from his Carolina days. lol you may be absolutely right. Gallman the way he played the first 2 pre season games certainly deserves a chance. I just don't know if Gallman is as strong an inside runner as Stewart. That's why we brought Stewart here I would think. In case we didn't get Barkley and we had to go to plan B. "Ross Cockrell signed for 2 years 6.6 million....Jonathan Stewart signed for...2 years 6.8 million" I have said this very same thing in countless other post on the old board and this one. Money poorly spent. PERIOD!
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 18, 2018 19:06:15 GMT -5
My biggest gripe is he is one dimensional. In the last 3 years he has 32 receptions....only 8 catches a piece the past two years. This isn’t a Frank Gore type old guy. He isn’t even an insurance policy. Just an expensive situational guy. If he is on the field it’s either short yardage or he will be in there to pass protect. Ross Cockrell signed for 2 years 6.6 million....Jonathan Stewart signed for...2 years 6.8 million What makes it worse is Cockrell was in our building and we also gave up a late round pick to get him here. He was a solid cheap CB And Gettleman just let him go and then tied up the same amount of money on Stewart. Yea but TE letting Cockrell go is all on Gettlemen. Stewart isn't responsible for that. Gettlemen knew Stewart he didn't know Cockrell, it was a mistake letting Cockrell go but at the time we didn't have a RB we felt we could count on.
Beside Stewart Gallman is a 2nd year back and the others I believe are all rookies. Lets see how it breaks these last 2 pre season games. The first game vs Jags defense is some tough treading.
It's all on reese actually, no? I mean why give up a draft pick for a guy with only 1 year left on his contract? why did JR not do an extension? for all we know cochrell wanted the heck out of NY. can u blame him after last year. can't blame the gettlemonster for JR's mess up.
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Post by Martin on Aug 18, 2018 19:08:13 GMT -5
I'm a little bit unsure about J Stewart signing. HI think he can be huge with getting tough yds on 3rd down. He is a veteran in a very young RB core so that is important. The problem is the contract was too much but injuries do happen with RB's as they get pounded. Having him might prove to be very important as the season progresses. I will say that I like the RB unit we have. Simmons and Martin look very good and there will be a tough choice on which makes the team.
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 18, 2018 19:09:39 GMT -5
I'm a little bit unsure about J Stewart signing. HI think he can be huge with getting tough yds on 3rd down. He is a veteran in a very young RB core so that is important. The problem is the contract was too much but injuries do happen with RB's as they get pounded. Having him might prove to be very important as the season progresses. I will say that I like the RB unit we have. Simmons and Martin look very good and there will be a tough choice on which makes the team. Very easy choice. cut stewart. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 19:38:13 GMT -5
I'm a little bit unsure about J Stewart signing. HI think he can be huge with getting tough yds on 3rd down. He is a veteran in a very young RB core so that is important. The problem is the contract was too much but injuries do happen with RB's as they get pounded. Having him might prove to be very important as the season progresses. I will say that I like the RB unit we have. Simmons and Martin look very good and there will be a tough choice on which makes the team. Very easy choice. cut stewart. LOL +100000
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Post by BigBlueRules on Aug 18, 2018 19:51:36 GMT -5
Gettleman knows Stewart from the Panthers. that's the only reason hes in a Giants uniform. his experience is valuable to Barkley and Gallman and I suspect he will pass a lot of that on to both of the young backs.
idk of Stewart will be a factor in the running game, other than spelling other backs now and then. we could certainly do without him if everyone else stays relatively healthy.
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Post by Merc on Aug 18, 2018 20:02:37 GMT -5
lol you may be absolutely right. Gallman the way he played the first 2 pre season games certainly deserves a chance. I just don't know if Gallman is as strong an inside runner as Stewart. That's why we brought Stewart here I would think. In case we didn't get Barkley and we had to go to plan B. "Ross Cockrell signed for 2 years 6.6 million....Jonathan Stewart signed for...2 years 6.8 million" I have said this very same thing in countless other post on the old board and this one. Money poorly spent. PERIOD! Cockrell is on IR, Stewart is still playing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 20:16:55 GMT -5
"Ross Cockrell signed for 2 years 6.6 million....Jonathan Stewart signed for...2 years 6.8 million" I have said this very same thing in countless other post on the old board and this one. Money poorly spent. PERIOD! Cockrell is on IR, Stewart is still playing. Meaningless comparison. You're assuming if Cockrell remained with the Giants he'd be in IR, right? If not, then your post makes even less sense.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 18, 2018 20:35:50 GMT -5
But he stinks. It's not hard to find a RB that stinks. What are we insuring? That we have an old, slow RB? My biggest gripe is he is one dimensional. In the last 3 years he has 32 receptions....only 8 catches a piece the past two years. This isn’t a Frank Gore type old guy. He isn’t even an insurance policy. Just an expensive situational guy. If he is on the field it’s either short yardage or he will be in there to pass protect. Ross Cockrell signed for 2 years 6.6 million....Jonathan Stewart signed for...2 years 6.8 million What makes it worse is Cockrell was in our building and we also gave up a late round pick to get him here. He was a solid cheap CB And Gettleman just let him go and then tied up the same amount of money on Stewart. I dont think to many people like the signing but I understand it. DG wanted his guy in the Giants big top circus locker room. Also never look at the total dollars of a contract, only guaranteed money. In addition, didnt Cockrell get IRd? Why does his name keep coming up?
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Post by bavarobeast on Aug 18, 2018 21:15:33 GMT -5
Barkley Gallman Martin ........?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 18, 2018 21:18:00 GMT -5
"Ross Cockrell signed for 2 years 6.6 million....Jonathan Stewart signed for...2 years 6.8 million" I have said this very same thing in countless other post on the old board and this one. Money poorly spent. PERIOD! Cockrell is on IR, Stewart is still playing. Are you suggesting if we kept him he would have suffered the same injury?
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Post by giants38 on Aug 18, 2018 21:43:59 GMT -5
Stewart will be the official #2 back, but Gallman will get increasing carries as the season progresses.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 21:50:32 GMT -5
Stewart will be the official #2 back, but Gallman will get increasing carries as the season progresses. And how do you know this? Gallman is the logical choice for the # 2 spot. Again, Stewart hasn't played well enough to earn a spot on the practice squad.
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 18, 2018 22:02:47 GMT -5
Stewart is 31,and a shadow of his former talent. OJ Anderson was 33 when we won the SB in the '90 season. He was also a shadow of his former self, but good enough to be effective. His major value came when Hostetler took over for the injured Simms, and Hoss led us all the way with his steady and head's up play. Hoss openly gave the credit to Anderson for calming him and giving him advice on the field and on the bench. Stewart might not make the team, but if he does it will be bacause of the intangibles that a vet can bring to the team. We'll see, if he makes the squad. His greatest value will certainly be to Saquon and Gallman. If he can find success on some tough 3rd and 2,3 he'll earn his money, and help Saquon stay fresher. Gettleman, like every other GM, s going to make some reaches, like Stewart and Ogletree, that will work out, or not. In the long run we'll judge him by the ones that do work out. The season hasn't even started yet... let's not criticize him when the future is still unknown. Have the patience to see how his work unfolds. If he made a mistake with Stewart, and realizes it, Stew might not make the squad.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 18, 2018 23:37:21 GMT -5
Stewart is 31,and a shadow of his former talent. OJ Anderson was 33 when we won the SB in the '90 season. He was also a shadow of his former self, but good enough to be effective. His major value came when Hostetler took over for the injured Simms, and Hoss led us all the way with his steady and head's up play. Hoss openly gave the credit to Anderson for calming him and giving him advice on the field and on the bench. Stewart might not make the team, but if he does it will be bacause of the intangibles that a vet can bring to the team. We'll see, if he makes the squad. His greatest value will certainly be to Saquon and Gallman. If he can find success on some tough 3rd and 2,3 he'll earn his money, and help Saquon stay fresher. Gettleman, like every other GM, s going to make some reaches, like Stewart and Ogletree, that will work out, or not. In the long run we'll judge him by the ones that do work out. The season hasn't even started yet... let's not criticize him when the future is still unknown. Have the patience to see how his work unfolds. If he made a mistake with Stewart, and realizes it, Stew might not make the squad. I agree Zim. Way too early to judge Stewart or Ogletree but so far it seems like they both better step it up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 5:56:32 GMT -5
Stewart is 31,and a shadow of his former talent. OJ Anderson was 33 when we won the SB in the '90 season. He was also a shadow of his former self, but good enough to be effective. His major value came when Hostetler took over for the injured Simms, and Hoss led us all the way with his steady and head's up play. Hoss openly gave the credit to Anderson for calming him and giving him advice on the field and on the bench. Stewart might not make the team, but if he does it will be bacause of the intangibles that a vet can bring to the team. We'll see, if he makes the squad. His greatest value will certainly be to Saquon and Gallman. If he can find success on some tough 3rd and 2,3 he'll earn his money, and help Saquon stay fresher. Gettleman, like every other GM, s going to make some reaches, like Stewart and Ogletree, that will work out, or not. In the long run we'll judge him by the ones that do work out. The season hasn't even started yet... let's not criticize him when the future is still unknown. Have the patience to see how his work unfolds. If he made a mistake with Stewart, and realizes it, Stew might not make the squad. All very fair and in isolation there are some reasons to bring a guy like Stewart in... But after cutting DRC, and watching Eli Apple implode I personally felt it foolish to let Cockrell walk. When Cockrell was traded for I thought “great move” - we only gave up a 7th rounder and got a guy with starting experience (for a good defence: Steelers). Cockrell proved his worth and performed solid. Great insurance against DRCs durability and Apple’s foolishness. Then they let him go, signed Stewart, drafted Barkley and now we’ve got a grab bag of CBs and Ss trying to find a guy that will stick. Meanwhile all the chips have been bet on Eli Apple. The insurance that should have been purchased was for the secondary... Again, I actually like Stewart, but...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 8:16:46 GMT -5
"grab bag of CBs "
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 8:34:17 GMT -5
It’s so funny reading the comments on here from people knocking the signing. Darkwa was a FA and hurt and Perkins was injured as well. They only had 1 decent RB on the team at the time of the signing. The Giants needed a RB and there was no guarantee of drafting Barkley. Now that we took Barkley it’s easy to say this was a wasted signing and just push him further back the depth chart. He may come in handy in PS’ offense. We don’t know exactly how it’ll play out. We do know if Mac was this HC, we would be seeing the same garbage schemes over and over again. But I expect PS to utilize his RB and somehow find a way to make Stewart an asset.
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 19, 2018 8:38:10 GMT -5
It’s so funny reading the comments on here from people knocking the signing. Darkwa was a FA and hurt and Perkins was injured as well. They only had 1 decent RB on the team at the time of the signing. The Giants needed a RB and there was no guarantee of drafting Barkley. Now that we took Barkley it’s easy to say this was a wasted signing and just push him further back the depth chart. He may come in handy in PS’ offense. We don’t know exactly how it’ll play out. We do know if Mac was this HC, we would be seeing the same garbage schemes over and over again. But I expect PS to utilize his RB and somehow find a way to make Stewart an asset. PS = Practice Squad?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 9:24:34 GMT -5
Cockrell is on IR, Stewart is still playing. Are you suggesting if we kept him he would have suffered the same injury? I asked him the same question, but didn't get an answer. I think that was just thrown on the wall to see if it would stick.
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Post by TEM on Aug 19, 2018 9:25:21 GMT -5
Cockrell is on IR, Stewart is still playing. Meaningless comparison. You're assuming if Cockrell remained with the Giants he'd be in IR, right? If not, then your post makes even less sense. At the same time you are making a similar assumption . You are implying Ross would have been a quality corner, Without knowing if he would have been or not. His season last year was not inline what he did in the past. Did he have a break out few games as a window to what he is ? Or is he the 4th round Draft pick and there is a reason there were 17 DBs picked ahead of him and had a moment? I don't see how is 5 ok games out of 16 he had last season is a reason to give him a 6.6 million dollar contract that he received from the Panthers. He has a total of 5 interceptions in his career 3 of those came in the last 2 games last season. ( an anomaly?)
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 19, 2018 9:28:17 GMT -5
Stewart is old and slow. Not sure what Gettleman was thinking. Probably not making this team. Yeah...don't know what Getty was thinking either?...I could see bringing Stewart here for the vet minimum to mentor the young RBs and to be a good locker room guy but not for the money he got....bad decision let's see how good a GM he really is. Will he be loyal to Stewart because of the past or will he go with the rookies Martin & Simmions who have both been lighting it up I'd keep 4 and Stewart isn't one of them but I bet he tries to stash one of the kids on Practice Squad so he can keep Stewart. In light of the concussion Simmons got I bet he's already thinking about it
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