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Post by Morehead State on Aug 21, 2018 10:37:23 GMT -5
Yeah I might have been thinking of the season before with the five, hundred yard games! Thought it was last season. Is being wrong a capital offense, or do I get brownie points for being in a very small minority that actually admits when they're wrong? I do agree that it was stupid to not grab Demarco Murray when he was there for the taking. Damn me and my confounded glass half full optimism that we wait and see what Stewart has left in the tank...,even if it's just his veteran mentorship of the younger backs.....which has to be worth something in this ever changing for the worst NFL!
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 21, 2018 10:42:30 GMT -5
No one wanted them to pick a QB "just for the sake of picking a QB". Maybe not on this board but yes there were plenty of people that wanted just that! Don't take this the wrong way but...so what?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 11:08:39 GMT -5
I didn't know that naming Barkley 1st made him the primary... Those are your rules not mine and I think they all are just as equal... When it comes to the cap drafting a runningback at the 2 slot was a big mistake... If he leads them to a title then I'll give DG a pass for making this cap mistake.. DG ,the Giants didn't make a mistake ,you're "assuming" that Barkley will fail and the truth is we don't know, you don't know. You say you will forgive if Barkley leads the Giants to a title ,which one, NFC East, NFC Championship, Super Bowl? People need to relax and let this play out instead of doing chicken little impersonations. We are just having a discussion and if you don't like what we are saying then go a way... I hope that Barkely ends up in the HoF so I'm not "assuming" anything bad needs to happen I already know it is a mistake to take a RB at the 2 slot due to the cap ramifications... Only if they win a title does taking him at the 2 slot make this big cap mistake somewhat OK ...
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 21, 2018 11:26:23 GMT -5
DG ,the Giants didn't make a mistake ,you're "assuming" that Barkley will fail and the truth is we don't know, you don't know. You say you will forgive if Barkley leads the Giants to a title ,which one, NFC East, NFC Championship, Super Bowl? People need to relax and let this play out instead of doing chicken little impersonations. We are just having a discussion and if you don't like what we are saying then go a way... I hope that Barkely ends up in the HoF so I'm not "assuming" anything bad needs to happen I already know it is a mistake to take a RB at the 2 slot due to the cap ramifications...
Only if they win a title does taking him at the 2 slot make this big cap mistake somewhat OK ... todd gurley just changed the market for Rbs, no? (leveon bell is about to do the same next year presumably), yes? so maybe the whole don't take a RB high because of salary cap thingy is not as bad as ya'll thought it was financially? BTW I'm asking not arguing. not directed at any single poster or you specifically but: When fans put there own constraints on what will or won't make a draft pick worthwhile, they set themselves up for disappointment. Why would fans make up some kind of stuff, then believe your own stuff that fan invented in your noggin, then be disappointed when your stuff materializes or does not materialize? seems like quite the vicious cycle of self defeating behaviour or something, Do we have to do that? What Is, Is. You could choose to simply enjoy what is. I give you my permission lol
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 21, 2018 11:31:57 GMT -5
Don't take this the wrong way but...so what? Wait what , you said no one wanted that , now you say so what??? Of course you can't cite any....They are just folks you've run into in your life I guess? If no one here took that position, by your own admission...then what is the point of your comment?
We are responsible for some crazy uncle you have?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 11:59:30 GMT -5
We are just having a discussion and if you don't like what we are saying then go a way... I hope that Barkely ends up in the HoF so I'm not "assuming" anything bad needs to happen I already know it is a mistake to take a RB at the 2 slot due to the cap ramifications... Only if they win a title does taking him at the 2 slot make this big cap mistake somewhat OK ... It's a NY Giants message board , it was your choice to offer up your opinion and my choice to comment on it .If at any point you don't like what I have responded then you all so have choice's concerning that . Yes you are assuming ,you say it's a "cap mistake" , thing is that we don't know that yet . To you it's an assumption. You are correct this is a message board... The issue I have with your comments is the BS that you make up because your assumptions like me thinking Barkley failed already or the chicken little comments... Feel free to enter any discussion but to throw out these ridiculous comments of what any poster is supposedly saying is wrong on all levels... BTW...Based from the history of this cap restrained NFL it's been determined that RBs are a bad investment at a high dollar cost and to pay one as elite before they even gain a yard in the league is a big mistake...
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Post by Martin on Aug 21, 2018 12:06:22 GMT -5
Eli needed a very good RB at this time in his career. The GM and FO believe Barkley will be great. If so the one person that benefits the most is Eli a struggling non mobile QB that desperately needs a running game. Lets also add in a pathetic run blocking oline. Having a running back that can make shit happen without a good line is a huge friend to Eli. I realize #1 pick RB's are a bad investment but maybe not this time. In the end it will all unfold.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 21, 2018 12:43:57 GMT -5
Maybe not on this board but yes there were plenty of people that wanted just that! Don't take this the wrong way but...so what? It points up the narrow mindedness of that groupthink. It’s one option, it’s not the only option, yet many who wanted a QB act as though it was the only way to rebuild a 3-13 team. I wanted Rosen. They didn’t draft him, I’m done bitching about it. I’m a NY Giants fan, I’m rooting for the guys on the field and I’m not pretending that because I read some articles that I’m now a better GM than actual NFL executives. The draft was months ago, yet the whining goes on and on and on
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Post by GameTime on Aug 21, 2018 12:55:45 GMT -5
I think Stewart was paid too much but I also think, being the type of person he seems to be, can add substantially more than just production on the field. Its a young backfield and having a solid vet presence can be a very good thing. He was also signed when they had a not much back there. Just Gallman right?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 21, 2018 13:07:43 GMT -5
Don't take this the wrong way but...so what? It points up the narrow mindedness of that groupthink. It’s one option, it’s not the only option, yet many who wanted a QB act as though it was the only way to rebuild a 3-13 team. I wanted Rosen. They didn’t draft him, I’m done bitching about it. I’m a NY Giants fan, I’m rooting for the guys on the field and I’m not pretending that because I read some articles that I’m now a better GM than actual NFL executives. The draft was months ago, yet the whining goes on and on and on I think you're missing the point. His claim was that some fans wanted to take a QB just "for the sake of taking a QB". Then he said no one on this MB took that view. At that point my question about "so what" was pretty much on point as far as I'm concerned. It goes to the claim that if you wanted a QB, that means you didn't care if the QB was any good or not. Just..."take a QB". That is a ridiculous claim and needed to be called out. he then back tracked by saying that no one here made that claim. The "group think" reference can cut both ways. Plenty of that in the "draft Barkley" side of things as well.
As for complaining about it?...I'm going to continue to do that until I see that we have resolved our long term QB issue. It's important to do what you do best and I whine very, very well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 13:08:53 GMT -5
The draft was months ago, yet the whining goes on and on and on Must change this board's name to the Giants whining board... After all any discussion that not praising everything is just whining correct???
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Post by RogerThat on Aug 21, 2018 13:43:28 GMT -5
Stewart's real value seems to be as a strong clubhouse presence. That's great as far as it goes, and apparently the clubhouse was in serious need of improving this year, but the contract is way out of line.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 21, 2018 14:02:54 GMT -5
Stewart's real value seems to be as a strong clubhouse presence. That's great as far as it goes, and apparently the clubhouse was in serious need of improving this year, but the contract is way out of line. A locker room puppy would have been cheaper.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Aug 21, 2018 14:06:34 GMT -5
Stewart's real value seems to be as a strong clubhouse presence. That's great as far as it goes, and apparently the clubhouse was in serious need of improving this year, but the contract is way out of line. A locker room puppy would have been cheaper. OJ Anderson was viewed as done and destined for the scrap heap. Then all he did was assume a major role with the team when Rodney Hampton went down and win a Super Bowl MVP. He also had more in the tank beyond that. I wouldn't go writing off Stewart just yet. A veteran presence and option in the backfield can ultimately pay huge dividends. A lesson Giants fans know as well as anyone.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 21, 2018 14:09:15 GMT -5
A locker room puppy would have been cheaper. OJ Anderson was viewed as done and destined for the scrap heap. Then all he did was assume a major role with the team when Rodney Hampton went down and win a Super Bowl MVP. He also had more in the tank beyond that. I wouldn't go writing off Stewart just yet. A veteran presence and option in the backfield can ultimately pay huge dividends. A lesson Giants fans know as well as anyone. You're right. I'm sure that will happen again here.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Aug 21, 2018 14:12:26 GMT -5
OJ Anderson was viewed as done and destined for the scrap heap. Then all he did was assume a major role with the team when Rodney Hampton went down and win a Super Bowl MVP. He also had more in the tank beyond that. I wouldn't go writing off Stewart just yet. A veteran presence and option in the backfield can ultimately pay huge dividends. A lesson Giants fans know as well as anyone. You're right. I'm sure that will happen again here. The second sentence was unnecessary.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 21, 2018 14:28:49 GMT -5
It points up the narrow mindedness of that groupthink. It’s one option, it’s not the only option, yet many who wanted a QB act as though it was the only way to rebuild a 3-13 team. I wanted Rosen. They didn’t draft him, I’m done bitching about it. I’m a NY Giants fan, I’m rooting for the guys on the field and I’m not pretending that because I read some articles that I’m now a better GM than actual NFL executives. The draft was months ago, yet the whining goes on and on and on I think you're missing the point. His claim was that some fans wanted to take a QB just "for the sake of taking a QB". Then he said no one on this MB took that view. At that point my question about "so what" was pretty much on point as far as I'm concerned. It goes to the claim that if you wanted a QB, that means you didn't care if the QB was any good or not. Just..."take a QB". That is a ridiculous claim and needed to be called out. he then back tracked by saying that no one here made that claim. The "group think" reference can cut both ways. Plenty of that in the "draft Barkley" side of things as well.
As for complaining about it?...I'm going to continue to do that until I see that we have resolved our long term QB issue. It's important to do what you do best and I whine very, very well.
There are many dynamics in play here. There are people who straight up wanted a QB. There are people who straight up wanted Barkley. There are people who straight up wanted Chubb or Nelson There are people who wanted to trade back, get picks and draft Chubb or Nelson. There are people, myself included, that erroneously thought we could trade back and still get Mayfield. And then there are people who need people. They are the luckiest people in the world.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 21, 2018 16:51:39 GMT -5
Must change this board's name to the Giants whining board... After all any discussion that not praising everything is just whining correct??? Those are your words; I didn’t say that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 18:08:08 GMT -5
Must change this board's name to the Giants whining board... After all any discussion that not praising everything is just whining correct??? Those are your words; I didn’t say that. It was an easy question...
Is everything that's not positive considered whining or just this draft subject?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 18:59:11 GMT -5
Stewart's real value seems to be as a strong clubhouse presence. That's great as far as it goes, and apparently the clubhouse was in serious need of improving this year, but the contract is way out of line. A locker room puppy would have been cheaper. LOL
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Post by GameTime on Aug 21, 2018 19:06:29 GMT -5
Geeze......
So they paid a little too much for a solid vet who may have intangibles that can really help a young group of RBs. Oh and I bet he plays pretty good still too and he is a very good pass blocking back too.
Oh the horror!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 19:11:17 GMT -5
Geeze...... So they paid a little too much for a solid vet who may have intangibles that can really help a young group of RBs. Oh and I bet he plays pretty good still too and he is a very good pass blocking back too. Oh the horror!!!!!! And the horror is, that money could have been used to keep a corner who this team desperately needed. Good luck with these lucky charms cereal box corners we have now outside of Jenkins.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 22, 2018 6:29:50 GMT -5
Geeze...... So they paid a little too much for a solid vet who may have intangibles that can really help a young group of RBs. Oh and I bet he plays pretty good still too and he is a very good pass blocking back too. Oh the horror!!!!!! And the horror is, that money could have been used to keep a corner who this team desperately needed. Good luck with these lucky charms cereal box corners we have now outside of Jenkins. DRC may still be brought back after camp. Cockrell wasnt anything special.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 22, 2018 6:48:40 GMT -5
And the horror is, that money could have been used to keep a corner who this team desperately needed. Good luck with these lucky charms cereal box corners we have now outside of Jenkins. DRC may still be brought back after camp. Cockrell wasnt anything special. DRC can't cover. He would be a liability. I don't get the fantasy that he's still a good corner. He's been a free agent for 6 months and hasn't been signed.
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Post by TEM on Aug 22, 2018 6:52:35 GMT -5
DRC may still be brought back after camp. Cockrell wasnt anything special. DRC can't cover. He would be a liability. I don't get the fantasy that he's still a good corner. He's been a free agent for 6 months and hasn't been signed. He is a 32 year old corner . I do not see how he can cover 22- 23 year old with efficacy.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 22, 2018 6:59:42 GMT -5
DRC may still be brought back after camp. Cockrell wasnt anything special. DRC can't cover. He would be a liability. I don't get the fantasy that he's still a good corner. He's been a free agent for 6 months and hasn't been signed. I tend to agree I was just giving a response to "they let corners go and gave the that money to Stewart".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 7:39:45 GMT -5
And the horror is, that money could have been used to keep a corner who this team desperately needed. Good luck with these lucky charms cereal box corners we have now outside of Jenkins. DRC may still be brought back after camp. Cockrell wasnt anything special. I also hope they bring back DRC.. Interesting that you claim Stewart is worth having but Cockrell isn't... I would value Cockrell a lot more currently for this team..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 7:44:09 GMT -5
And the horror is, that money could have been used to keep a corner who this team desperately needed. Good luck with these lucky charms cereal box corners we have now outside of Jenkins. DRC may still be brought back after camp. Cockrell wasnt anything special. I was referring to Cockrell who quietly went out and did his job. If you think saying he was nothing special is cover for the bums that DG signed to play CB, good luck with that. We'll be back here talking about our atrocious secondary by week 4.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 22, 2018 7:45:07 GMT -5
DRC may still be brought back after camp. Cockrell wasnt anything special. I also hope they bring back DRC.. Interesting that you claim Stewart is worth having but Cockrell isn't... I would value Cockrell a lot more currently for this team.. I am separating the two positions. JS is a solid vet presence in a very young RB group. He is a very good blocker, a solid citizen, and I also think he is totally taking it easy in the preseason. He has zero to prove in preseason. Also a pretty durable guy overall. He got too much cash....oh well.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 22, 2018 7:45:38 GMT -5
DRC may still be brought back after camp. Cockrell wasnt anything special. I was referring to Cockrell who quietly went out and did his job. If you think saying he was nothing special is cover for the bums that DG signed to play CB, good luck with that. We'll be back here talking about our atrocious secondary by week 4. maybe we will and maybe we wont
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