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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 10:15:43 GMT -5
"every back in camp has out performed him" By a mile. He looks old and slow and this shouldn't surprise anyone at this point in his career. DG signed him because he knows him and thought maybe he could help. However, for a team that didn't have a lot of cap space to play around with, this was not a smart signing. I don't think anyone in their right mind can debate that Stewart has looked slow and old but let's put this signing in perspective:
1) DG brought in one of his guys to control the circus that was the Giants locker room in 2017 2) Stewart will get a little over $3 Million this year and will be cut after 2018 with a dead cap of $250K 3) If anyone wants to get upset about the Giants terrible cap situation they should look at JPP's and OV's contract. JPP's contract is costing the Giants $15 Million in dead cap this year and OV has a freaking $17 Million dollar cap hit for a run stuffing DE that is an averages 7 sacks a year. Also Ereck Flowers is making almost $5 Million and Eli Apple is making $4 Million.
In short, I can give DG a pass on the Stewart signing because it is essentially a 1 year contract and he offloaded JPP's terrible contract.
If you want to give DG a pass on Stewart that's fine. Everyone makes mistakes. But a $3MM commitment to an old and slow RB WAS a mistake.
Mentioning the mistakes made by our former GM doesn't change that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 10:16:48 GMT -5
"every back in camp has out performed him" By a mile. He looks old and slow and this shouldn't surprise anyone at this point in his career. DG signed him because he knows him and thought maybe he could help. However, for a team that didn't have a lot of cap space to play around with, this was not a smart signing. I don't think anyone in their right mind can debate that Stewart has looked slow and old but let's put this signing in perspective:
1) DG brought in one of his guys to control the circus that was the Giants locker room in 2017 2) Stewart will get a little over $3 Million this year and will be cut after 2018 with a dead cap of $250K 3) If anyone wants to get upset about the Giants terrible cap situation they should look at JPP's and OV's contract. JPP's contract is costing the Giants $15 Million in dead cap this year and OV has a freaking $17 Million dollar cap hit for a run stuffing DE that is an averages 7 sacks a year. Also Ereck Flowers is making almost $5 Million and Eli Apple is making $4 Million.
In short, I can give DG a pass on the Stewart signing because it is essentially a 1 year contract and he offloaded JPP's terrible contract.
That's nice of you... You forgot to include the Barkley , Solder and Olgetree contracts as ones that are over paid also but brought in by DG...
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 10:29:48 GMT -5
What about his numbers from last year makes you feel he can run the ball effectively??? Like everyone has been saying great pick up for vets minimum but terrible at the price he was signed for and besides the blocking all the other backs have looked better... As a role player last year, he had five 100 yard games! How can anyone say he’s terrible when he hasn’t played a single down of football that counts for the Giants. Call me crazy, but I tend to judge a player on what he’s actually doing or not doing at the time he’s actually doing it! I’ll concede that Stewart is “done” , only when it’s proven in action that counts. Then I’ll eat my crow with relish! Where on God's green earth did you get that information? It is completely false. he only had 600+ yards all year and almost zero in the passing game. He was clearly done last season.
Signing him made no sense at all in my view.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 20, 2018 10:34:58 GMT -5
I don't think anyone in their right mind can debate that Stewart has looked slow and old but let's put this signing in perspective:
1) DG brought in one of his guys to control the circus that was the Giants locker room in 2017 2) Stewart will get a little over $3 Million this year and will be cut after 2018 with a dead cap of $250K 3) If anyone wants to get upset about the Giants terrible cap situation they should look at JPP's and OV's contract. JPP's contract is costing the Giants $15 Million in dead cap this year and OV has a freaking $17 Million dollar cap hit for a run stuffing DE that is an averages 7 sacks a year. Also Ereck Flowers is making almost $5 Million and Eli Apple is making $4 Million.
In short, I can give DG a pass on the Stewart signing because it is essentially a 1 year contract and he offloaded JPP's terrible contract.
That's nice of you... You forgot to include the Barkley , Solder and Olgetree contracts as ones that are over paid also but brought in by DG... 1) Barkley is a rookie who hasn't even played in his first NFL game. He already broke a 40 yard run in a few attempts. DG and the Giants org didn't value the 1st round QB's higher than Barkley. 2) Solder: What would you have done to bolster the Oline from the abomination he inherited? He picked up the best LT on the market and overpaid. If Solder has 2 productive seasons, this signing was worth it. 3) Olgetree - Giants transitioned to a 3/4 and needed a LB. They are paying him an average of about $7.5M a year in 2018 & 2019 and can easily cut him after the 2019 season with a $3.5M dead cap (not bad at all).
I don't understand how anyone can argue that DG has mismanaged the Giants cap situation considering what he inherited.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 20, 2018 10:44:33 GMT -5
I don't think anyone in their right mind can debate that Stewart has looked slow and old but let's put this signing in perspective:
1) DG brought in one of his guys to control the circus that was the Giants locker room in 2017 2) Stewart will get a little over $3 Million this year and will be cut after 2018 with a dead cap of $250K 3) If anyone wants to get upset about the Giants terrible cap situation they should look at JPP's and OV's contract. JPP's contract is costing the Giants $15 Million in dead cap this year and OV has a freaking $17 Million dollar cap hit for a run stuffing DE that is an averages 7 sacks a year. Also Ereck Flowers is making almost $5 Million and Eli Apple is making $4 Million.
In short, I can give DG a pass on the Stewart signing because it is essentially a 1 year contract and he offloaded JPP's terrible contract.
If you want to give DG a pass on Stewart that's fine. Everyone makes mistakes. But a $3MM commitment to an old and slow RB WAS a mistake.
Mentioning the mistakes made by our former GM doesn't change that.
Stewart WAS overpaid, this isn't even debatable. So handing him a $3M contract surely was a mistake. Like you said, EVERYONE makes mistakes. The key is to limit the magnitude of those mistakes. A $3M contract is worth about 1.7% of the salary cap. This is a SMALL mistake. JPP's $15M in dead cap is 8.4% (5x the impact of the Stewart Contract) of the cap and is a BIG mistake. OV's $17M cap hit is 9.6% (6x the impact of the Stewart contract) of the CAP and is a BIG mistake.
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 20, 2018 11:11:52 GMT -5
Very easy choice. cut stewart. LOL I didn't know you can cut a player with a 2 yr contract. i don't know either martin. can you put him on the PS? i did not think a vet can be put on the PS, but what the heck do i know about football operations? The reply was in jest to the poster, Obviously. I think you must know that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 11:15:50 GMT -5
That's nice of you... You forgot to include the Barkley , Solder and Olgetree contracts as ones that are over paid also but brought in by DG... 1) Barkley is a rookie who hasn't even played in his first NFL game. He already broke a 40 yard run in a few attempts. DG and the Giants org didn't value the 1st round QB's higher than Barkley. 2) Solder: What would you have done to bolster the Oline from the abomination he inherited? He picked up the best LT on the market and overpaid. If Solder has 2 productive seasons, this signing was worth it. 3) Olgetree - Giants transitioned to a 3/4 and needed a LB. They are paying him an average of about $7.5M a year in 2018 & 2019 and can easily cut him after the 2019 season with a $3.5M dead cap (not bad at all).
I don't understand how anyone can argue that DG has mismanaged the Giants cap situation considering what he inherited.
Fair enough since I don't understand how anyone can not see that DG is mismanaging the cap situation currently on this team..
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Post by jb456 on Aug 20, 2018 11:36:45 GMT -5
1) Barkley is a rookie who hasn't even played in his first NFL game. He already broke a 40 yard run in a few attempts. DG and the Giants org didn't value the 1st round QB's higher than Barkley. 2) Solder: What would you have done to bolster the Oline from the abomination he inherited? He picked up the best LT on the market and overpaid. If Solder has 2 productive seasons, this signing was worth it. 3) Olgetree - Giants transitioned to a 3/4 and needed a LB. They are paying him an average of about $7.5M a year in 2018 & 2019 and can easily cut him after the 2019 season with a $3.5M dead cap (not bad at all).
I don't understand how anyone can argue that DG has mismanaged the Giants cap situation considering what he inherited.
Fair enough since I don't understand how anyone can not see that DG is mismanaging the cap situation currently on this team.. I'm sure you have a lot of board members convinced when you provide such in depth analysis. Next time I'll be sure to mention rookies who are signed under their first contract as a primary reason why a GM is mismanaging the CAP....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 11:50:39 GMT -5
Fair enough since I don't understand how anyone can not see that DG is mismanaging the cap situation currently on this team.. I'm sure you have a lot of board members convinced you provide such in depth analysis. Next time I'll be sure to mention rookies who are signed under their first contract as a primary reason why a GM is mismanaging the CAP.... Thanks for the response since I'm also sure about the analysis.. You're definition of "primary" and mine is different though but then you did have to respond that way since you now know that DG is currently mismanaging this cap even when he had the opportunity to trade back and fix a bunch of this teams cap issues with high end rookies on contract...
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 20, 2018 11:56:52 GMT -5
I don't think anyone in their right mind can debate that Stewart has looked slow and old but let's put this signing in perspective:
1) DG brought in one of his guys to control the circus that was the Giants locker room in 2017 2) Stewart will get a little over $3 Million this year and will be cut after 2018 with a dead cap of $250K 3) If anyone wants to get upset about the Giants terrible cap situation they should look at JPP's and OV's contract. JPP's contract is costing the Giants $15 Million in dead cap this year and OV has a freaking $17 Million dollar cap hit for a run stuffing DE that is an averages 7 sacks a year. Also Ereck Flowers is making almost $5 Million and Eli Apple is making $4 Million.
In short, I can give DG a pass on the Stewart signing because it is essentially a 1 year contract and he offloaded JPP's terrible contract.
If you want to give DG a pass on Stewart that's fine. Everyone makes mistakes. But a $3MM commitment to an old and slow RB WAS a mistake.
Mentioning the mistakes made by our former GM doesn't change that.
How can you know it is a mistake in the middle of preseason?
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Post by jb456 on Aug 20, 2018 12:00:29 GMT -5
I'm sure you have a lot of board members convinced you provide such in depth analysis. Next time I'll be sure to mention rookies who are signed under their first contract as a primary reason why a GM is mismanaging the CAP.... Thanks for the response since I'm also sure about the analysis.. You're definition of "primary" and mine is different though but then you did have to respond that way since you now know that DG is currently mismanaging this cap even when he had the opportunity to trade back and fix a bunch of this teams cap issues with high end rookies on contract... Barkley was the First name you provided after Stewart...Aug 20, 2018 11:16:48 GMT -4 liquidtension said: That's nice of you... You forgot to include the Barkley , Solder and Olgetree contracts as ones that are over paid also but brought in by DG... Also, you seem to be arguing about overall performance of the GM and not just the cap. I was in favor of taking a QB or trading back. It is way to early to definitively say that taking Barkley was a mistake. Let's just give it some time.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 12:02:38 GMT -5
If you want to give DG a pass on Stewart that's fine. Everyone makes mistakes. But a $3MM commitment to an old and slow RB WAS a mistake.
Mentioning the mistakes made by our former GM doesn't change that.
How can you know it is a mistake in the middle of preseason? I didn't realize it in the middle of the preseason. I realized it the minute I heard they signed him.
He 's no good anymore. Not worth any commitment. Certainly not $3MM.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 20, 2018 12:10:03 GMT -5
How can you know it is a mistake in the middle of preseason? I didn't realize it in the middle of the preseason. I realized it the minute I heard they signed him.
He 's no good anymore. Not worth any commitment. Certainly not $3MM.
Although I do agree that they could have gotten Stewart for less (hence the mistake), Stewart's overall impact to the Cap 1.7% isn't even worth half the discussions that have occurred on this board. I don't even remember this much animosity over the JPP and OV signings even though those terrible contracts are worth about 11x that of Stewart.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 12:13:06 GMT -5
I didn't realize it in the middle of the preseason. I realized it the minute I heard they signed him.
He 's no good anymore. Not worth any commitment. Certainly not $3MM.
Although I do agree that they could have gotten Stewart for less (hence the mistake), Stewart's overall impact to the Cap 1.7% isn't even worth half the discussions that have occurred on this board. I don't even remember this much animosity over the JPP and OV signings even though those terrible contracts are worth about 11x that of Stewart. Obviously his signing isn't the end of the world. As you say it's just $3MM. But it was a terrible signing for a guy who is just a guy. And a slow one at that.
The other problem is that sometimes a commitment like that can cause a HC to cut a young player with promise in order to keep the guy due to his contract.
And I did....and still do like the OV signing. Just as I like the JJ and Snacks signings as well. In the long run...due to their age, those will turn out to be economical deals for us.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 20, 2018 12:24:29 GMT -5
Although I do agree that they could have gotten Stewart for less (hence the mistake), Stewart's overall impact to the Cap 1.7% isn't even worth half the discussions that have occurred on this board. I don't even remember this much animosity over the JPP and OV signings even though those terrible contracts are worth about 11x that of Stewart. Obviously his signing isn't the end of the world. As you say it's just $3MM. But it was a terrible signing for a guy who is just a guy. And a slow one at that.
The other problem is that sometimes a commitment like that can cause a HC to cut a young player with promise in order to keep the guy due to his contract.
And I did....and still do like the OV signing. Just as I like the JJ and Snacks signings as well. In the long run...due to their age, those will turn out to be economical deals for us.
You still like the OV signing? He is a run stuffing DE (Averages 7 sacks a year) who signed an $85M contract with $52M in guarantees. If the Giants cut him tomorrow, I don't think he would get anything close to that. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree right there.
IMO you had a great argument about potentially losing a young player with potential due to the Stewart signing. With that said, I really hope DG has the balls to cut Stewart if the coaches overall assessment is that he was outplayed by one of the younger players. To me, this would show the we truly have a GM that will do everything he can to improve the team regardless of appearances.
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 12:41:06 GMT -5
Obviously his signing isn't the end of the world. As you say it's just $3MM. But it was a terrible signing for a guy who is just a guy. And a slow one at that.
The other problem is that sometimes a commitment like that can cause a HC to cut a young player with promise in order to keep the guy due to his contract.
And I did....and still do like the OV signing. Just as I like the JJ and Snacks signings as well. In the long run...due to their age, those will turn out to be economical deals for us.
You still like the OV signing? He is a run stuffing DE (Averages 7 sacks a year) who signed an $85M contract with $52M in guarantees. If the Giants cut him tomorrow, I don't think he would get anything close to that. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree right there.
IMO you had a great argument about potentially losing a young player with potential due to the Stewart signing. With that said, I really hope DG has the balls to cut Stewart if the coaches overall assessment is that he was outplayed by one of the younger players. To me, this would show the we truly have a GM that will do everything he can to improve the team regardless of appearances.
What I like about Vernon is that he always seems to be around the ball. He moves really well from sideline to sideline. I think as an OLB in a 3-4 he'll be even more effective in that. No he's not a great pass rusher. And I didn't get why they had him on the LT so much with Spags. But I like him as a player a lot.
What was notable with all of those three signings was that every player was 26 or younger. A lot of these big contracts are designed for the first half or so of the deal then the guys get released or renegotiated. Those three deals were designed to go the length of the contracts. Assuming the decent health of the players, I think those deals will end up economical for the team
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Post by jb456 on Aug 20, 2018 12:55:58 GMT -5
You still like the OV signing? He is a run stuffing DE (Averages 7 sacks a year) who signed an $85M contract with $52M in guarantees. If the Giants cut him tomorrow, I don't think he would get anything close to that. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree right there.
IMO you had a great argument about potentially losing a young player with potential due to the Stewart signing. With that said, I really hope DG has the balls to cut Stewart if the coaches overall assessment is that he was outplayed by one of the younger players. To me, this would show the we truly have a GM that will do everything he can to improve the team regardless of appearances.
What I like about Vernon is that he always seems to be around the ball. He moves really well from sideline to sideline. I think as an OLB in a 3-4 he'll be even more effective in that. No he's not a great pass rusher. And I didn't get why they had him on the LT so much with Spags. But I like him as a player a lot.
What was notable with all of those three signings was that every player was 26 or younger. A lot of these big contracts are designed for the first half or so of the deal then the guys get released or renegotiated. Those three deals were designed to go the length of the contracts. Assuming the decent health of the players, I think those deals will end up economical for the team
I hope you are right about OV and he thrives in his new role. IMO he still has a lot to prove to justify his contract.
I don't disagree about the other contracts except JPP's. That was horrendous and paying a player for past success is ridiculous....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 13:12:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the response since I'm also sure about the analysis.. You're definition of "primary" and mine is different though but then you did have to respond that way since you now know that DG is currently mismanaging this cap even when he had the opportunity to trade back and fix a bunch of this teams cap issues with high end rookies on contract... Barkley was the First name you provided after Stewart...Aug 20, 2018 11:16:48 GMT -4 liquidtension said: That's nice of you... You forgot to include the Barkley , Solder and Olgetree contracts as ones that are over paid also but brought in by DG... Also, you seem to be arguing about overall performance of the GM and not just the cap. I was in favor of taking a QB or trading back. It is way to early to definitively say that taking Barkley was a mistake. Let's just give it some time. I didn't know that naming Barkley 1st made him the primary... Those are your rules not mine and I think they all are just as equal... When it comes to the cap drafting a runningback at the 2 slot was a big mistake... If he leads them to a title then I'll give DG a pass for making this cap mistake..
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 13:15:18 GMT -5
What I like about Vernon is that he always seems to be around the ball. He moves really well from sideline to sideline. I think as an OLB in a 3-4 he'll be even more effective in that. No he's not a great pass rusher. And I didn't get why they had him on the LT so much with Spags. But I like him as a player a lot.
What was notable with all of those three signings was that every player was 26 or younger. A lot of these big contracts are designed for the first half or so of the deal then the guys get released or renegotiated. Those three deals were designed to go the length of the contracts. Assuming the decent health of the players, I think those deals will end up economical for the team
I hope you are right about OV and he thrives in his new role. IMO he still has a lot to prove to justify his contract.
I don't disagree about the other contracts except JPP's. That was horrendous and paying a player for past success is ridiculous....
I shook my head at the JPP contract. The guy feeds on bad tackles and is simply shut down for weeks at a time. Marshall Newhouse shut him down last year for God's sake in Oakland.
The biggest problem with JPP's deal though was the kid. He quit. He was simply invisible last year until the last few weeks...after the season was essentially over.
The best thing that Gettleman did was trade him.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 20, 2018 13:40:59 GMT -5
Barkley was the First name you provided after Stewart...Aug 20, 2018 11:16:48 GMT -4 liquidtension said: That's nice of you... You forgot to include the Barkley , Solder and Olgetree contracts as ones that are over paid also but brought in by DG... Also, you seem to be arguing about overall performance of the GM and not just the cap. I was in favor of taking a QB or trading back. It is way to early to definitively say that taking Barkley was a mistake. Let's just give it some time. I didn't know that naming Barkley 1st made him the primary... Those are your rules not mine and I think they all are just as equal... When it comes to the cap drafting a runningback at the 2 slot was a big mistake... If he leads them to a title then I'll give DG a pass for making this cap mistake.. You stated that DG is mismanaging CAP and since you only listed a handful of players, he must be high on your list. Whether he is the primary or top 3, Barkley is a reason why you believe DG is mismanaging the CAP. Also, the Giants took the highest rated player on their board at 2, as they should have. I didn't agree with the pick (was hoping for QB or trade down) but I also didn't want to pick a QB just for the sake of picking a QB. That is a terrible strategy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 13:46:23 GMT -5
I didn't know that naming Barkley 1st made him the primary... Those are your rules not mine and I think they all are just as equal... When it comes to the cap drafting a runningback at the 2 slot was a big mistake... If he leads them to a title then I'll give DG a pass for making this cap mistake.. You stated that DG is mismanaging CAP and since you only listed a handful of players, he must be high on your list. Whether he is the primary or top 3, Barkley is a reason why you believe DG is mismanaging the CAP. Also, the Giants took the highest rated player on their board at 2, as they should have. I didn't agree with the pick (was hoping for QB or trade down) but I also didn't want to pick a QB just for the sake of picking a QB. That is a terrible strategy.
I was hoping they would trade down to address the O line, and corners, and still wish they did. I would have had zero problem with Gallman being the starting back, but that's just me.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 20, 2018 13:54:42 GMT -5
You stated that DG is mismanaging CAP and since you only listed a handful of players, he must be high on your list. Whether he is the primary or top 3, Barkley is a reason why you believe DG is mismanaging the CAP. Also, the Giants took the highest rated player on their board at 2, as they should have. I didn't agree with the pick (was hoping for QB or trade down) but I also didn't want to pick a QB just for the sake of picking a QB. That is a terrible strategy.
I was hoping they would trade down to address the O line, and corners, and still wish they did. I would have had zero problem with Gallman being the starting back, but that's just me. It's not just you, I wasn't sold on the QB's and really hoping that the Giants would get a kings ransom for that pick. I think DG told the press that he didn't get any good offers, what can you do?
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Post by Morehead State on Aug 20, 2018 14:31:03 GMT -5
I didn't know that naming Barkley 1st made him the primary... Those are your rules not mine and I think they all are just as equal... When it comes to the cap drafting a runningback at the 2 slot was a big mistake... If he leads them to a title then I'll give DG a pass for making this cap mistake.. You stated that DG is mismanaging CAP and since you only listed a handful of players, he must be high on your list. Whether he is the primary or top 3, Barkley is a reason why you believe DG is mismanaging the CAP. Also, the Giants took the highest rated player on their board at 2, as they should have. I didn't agree with the pick (was hoping for QB or trade down) but I also didn't want to pick a QB just for the sake of picking a QB. That is a terrible strategy.
No one wanted them to pick a QB "just for the sake of picking a QB".
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 20, 2018 16:11:16 GMT -5
I was hoping they would trade down to address the O line, and corners, and still wish they did. I would have had zero problem with Gallman being the starting back, but that's just me. It's not just you, I wasn't sold on the QB's and really hoping that the Giants would get a kings ransom for that pick. I think DG told the press that he didn't get any good offers, what can you do? Well, you can pretend that he did get great offers and then complain that they didn’t take the great trade down offers he didn’t get.
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 20, 2018 16:13:57 GMT -5
It's not just you, I wasn't sold on the QB's and really hoping that the Giants would get a kings ransom for that pick. I think DG told the press that he didn't get any good offers, what can you do? Well, you can pretend that he did get great offers and then complain that the didn’t take the great trade down offers he didn’t get. lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 16:16:58 GMT -5
It's not just you, I wasn't sold on the QB's and really hoping that the Giants would get a kings ransom for that pick. I think DG told the press that he didn't get any good offers, what can you do? Well, you can pretend that he did get great offers and then complain that they didn’t take the great trade down offers he didn’t get. Just curious, who said that?
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 20, 2018 16:19:39 GMT -5
Well, you can pretend that he did get great offers and then complain that they didn’t take the great trade down offers he didn’t get. Just curious, who said that? Said what?
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Post by jb456 on Aug 20, 2018 16:47:50 GMT -5
It's not just you, I wasn't sold on the QB's and really hoping that the Giants would get a kings ransom for that pick. I think DG told the press that he didn't get any good offers, what can you do? Well, you can pretend that he did get great offers and then complain that they didn’t take the great trade down offers he didn’t get. Not a bad idea. We need more topics to discuss before the regular season starts.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Aug 21, 2018 9:18:43 GMT -5
As a role player last year, he had five 100 yard games! How can anyone say he’s terrible when he hasn’t played a single down of football that counts for the Giants. Call me crazy, but I tend to judge a player on what he’s actually doing or not doing at the time he’s actually doing it! I’ll concede that Stewart is “done” , only when it’s proven in action that counts. Then I’ll eat my crow with relish! Where on God's green earth did you get that information? It is completely false. he only had 600+ yards all year and almost zero in the passing game. He was clearly done last season.
Signing him made no sense at all in my view.
Yeah I might have been thinking of the season before with the five, hundred yard games! Thought it was last season. Is being wrong a capital offense, or do I get brownie points for being in a very small minority that actually admits when they're wrong?
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Post by BigBlue58 on Aug 21, 2018 9:24:22 GMT -5
Where on God's green earth did you get that information? It is completely false. he only had 600+ yards all year and almost zero in the passing game. He was clearly done last season.
Signing him made no sense at all in my view.
Yeah I might have been thinking of the season before with the five, hundred yard games! Thought it was last season. Is being wrong a capital offense, or do I get brownie points for being in a very small minority that actually admits when they're wrong? I do agree that it was stupid to not grab Demarco Murray when he was there for the taking. Damn me and my confounded glass half full optimism that we wait and see what Stewart has left in the tank...,even if it's just his veteran mentorship of the younger backs.....which has to be worth something in this ever changing for the worst NFL!
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