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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 1, 2020 11:34:26 GMT -5
Simmons came in bigger faster and even more athletic then anyone anticipated add the multitude of things he can do for a defense he is starting to grow on me. And I am a huge OL DL person, this kid can give some of everything, anyone feeling different about him today now that we saw he can run with anyone and is more explosive then anyone his size should be.
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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 1, 2020 12:45:38 GMT -5
The Free Agency period will clue us , which side of the ball will be drafted. As of now everyone is a candidate.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2020 12:48:56 GMT -5
Not really Most of us knew this ....
His issues still exist Undefined role Questionable football instincts Cant get off of blocks(even from recievers) It would be no different than if Jeudy ran a 4.31 He is a defensive toy IMO If anything you might see even Washington take this guy IMO to high a risk to take early. I still think Bush and White were better linebacker prospects because they both had sick athletic skills but had defined linebacker roles
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 1, 2020 12:59:58 GMT -5
For me it was a hard no before now I wouldn't go nuts if they drafted him at 4 that would be saved for if he busts. To me he has as good a chance of being super star as being just good all around player. If Grahm is the right DC he will figure it out. What I don't like is missed tackles with him and he gets confused with gap responsibility. Sorry my 85 pound pit just hopped in my lap while typing when the guy next-doors lawn mower back fired lol.
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Post by TEM on Mar 1, 2020 13:03:29 GMT -5
For me it was a hard no before now I wouldn't go nuts if they drafted him at 4 that would be saved for if he busts How do draft someone at the top of the draft without knowing what he excels at. Safety 218 snaps Slot corner 286 snaps MLB 160 snaps OLB 120 snaps Corner 17 snaps. What do you draft this guy as? Bugs against the Gashouse Gorillas?
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 1, 2020 13:06:00 GMT -5
For me it was a hard no before now I wouldn't go nuts if they drafted him at 4 that would be saved for if he busts How do draft some one at the top of the draft without knowing what he excels at. Safety 218 snaps Slot corner 286 snaps MLB 160 snaps OLB 120 snaps Corner 17 snaps. What do you draft this guy as? The Reggie Bush of defensive players
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 1, 2020 13:12:21 GMT -5
For me it was a hard no before now I wouldn't go nuts if they drafted him at 4 that would be saved for if he busts How do draft some one at the top of the draft without knowing what he excels at. Safety 218 snaps Slot corner 286 snaps MLB 160 snaps OLB 120 snaps Corner 17 snaps. What do you draft this guy as? Bugs against the Gashouse Gorillas? Supposedly he is top tear at every position he has manned. I don't know if thats true he will be drafted to play them all including rushing the passer depending on a offenses strengths I'm not advocating but I'm not as dead set against as I was with the right DC he can be the honey badger on steroids bigger faster more athletic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 13:14:40 GMT -5
I wish the Giants had a slot defender than can run with any receiver and be better than Grant Haley.
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Post by TEM on Mar 1, 2020 13:25:07 GMT -5
How do draft some one at the top of the draft without knowing what he excels at. Safety 218 snaps Slot corner 286 snaps MLB 160 snaps OLB 120 snaps Corner 17 snaps. What do you draft this guy as? Bugs against the Gashouse Gorillas? Supposedly he is top tear at every position he has manned. I don't know if thats true he will be drafted to play them all including rushing the passer depending on a offenses strengths I'm not advocating but I'm not as dead set against as I was with the right DC he can be the honey badger on steroids bigger faster more athletic. I see it differently , Let say he is drafted as a MLB. ( a need). The coaching staff finds out he is best suited at nickel corner. The team has example: Backer and Ballantine as our outsides and Beal as our slot. What just happened is; we downgraded our #4 pick to a rotation corner. Why IMO: drafting a player without a defined role in where he played in college is a trap pick.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 1, 2020 14:12:32 GMT -5
Supposedly he is top tear at every position he has manned. I don't know if thats true he will be drafted to play them all including rushing the passer depending on a offenses strengths I'm not advocating but I'm not as dead set against as I was with the right DC he can be the honey badger on steroids bigger faster more athletic. I see it differently , Let say he is drafted as a MLB. ( a need). The coaching staff finds out he is best suited at nickel corner. The team has example: Backer and Ballantine as our outsides and Beal as our slot. What just happened is; we downgraded our #4 pick to a rotation corner. Why IMO: drafting a player without a defined role in where he played in college is a trap pick. Good point most think he is gonna be an off ball Linebacker that can move around the formation Whether man the middle of the field with his range or into the Slot just relaying what I read. He is gonna be downgraded mightly if he goes to a team that runs a defense that they can't adjust to the talent. One thing that bothers me is if you draft him you got to have a plan how they are going to deploy him.
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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 1, 2020 14:23:19 GMT -5
I see it differently , Let say he is drafted as a MLB. ( a need). The coaching staff finds out he is best suited at nickel corner. The team has example: Backer and Ballantine as our outsides and Beal as our slot. What just happened is; we downgraded our #4 pick to a rotation corner. Why IMO: drafting a player without a defined role in where he played in college is a trap pick. Good point most think he is gonna be an off ball Linebacker that can move around the formation Weather man the middle of the field with his range or into the Slot just relaying what I read. He is gonna be downgraded mightly if he goes to a team that runs a defense that they can't adjust to the talent. One thing that bothers me is if you draft him you got to have a plan how they are going to deploy him. Saturday@ the combine. Simmons,was ask where , he prefer to play. His response was wherever I am put. But, then said he prefer WLB. Simmons, can man up on Kittle or even LaMar Jackson. One series he can be in the secondary . The next at any LB position.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 1, 2020 14:35:54 GMT -5
Good point most think he is gonna be an off ball Linebacker that can move around the formation Weather man the middle of the field with his range or into the Slot just relaying what I read. He is gonna be downgraded mightly if he goes to a team that runs a defense that they can't adjust to the talent. One thing that bothers me is if you draft him you got to have a plan how they are going to deploy him. Saturday@ the combine. Simmons,was ask where , he prefer to play. His response was wherever I am put. But, then said he prefer WLB. Simmons, can man up on Kittle or even LaMar Jackson. One series he can be in the secondary . The next at any at any LB position. He can rush the passer also. Am in the OL majority but if they drafted this kid or Okudah I would have 0 problem Okudah had zero PIs do you need a shut down corner the next 8 to 10 years of course everyone would sign up for that.
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Post by wtfjjk on Mar 1, 2020 14:37:28 GMT -5
This guy would be our best pass defender from several positions plus he'd be our best pass rusher. And he's sideline to sideline. I want him at 4 unless Chase Young is there. I'd take him then OL in then 2nd.
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Post by TEM on Mar 1, 2020 14:47:14 GMT -5
I see it differently , Let say he is drafted as a MLB. ( a need). The coaching staff finds out he is best suited at nickel corner. The team has example: Backer and Ballantine as our outsides and Beal as our slot. What just happened is; we downgraded our #4 pick to a rotation corner. Why IMO: drafting a player without a defined role in where he played in college is a trap pick. Good point most think he is gonna be an off ball Linebacker that can move around the formation Weather man the middle of the field with his range or into the Slot just relaying what I read. He is gonna be downgraded mightly if he goes to a team that runs a defense that they can't adjust to the talent. One thing that bothers me is if you draft him you got to have a plan how they are going to deploy him. It is tough to be a great NFL player at one position. Lets look at an Edge rusher. He has to hone his skillset. He need to know the nuances of his opponents. The guys on the field are the best of the best at what they do. If you are not prepared. You are beat before the opening kickoff. How does the OT handle his position? Is it better to bull rush him? Runaround the outside of him? Take an inside track? What moves is he vulnerable to? When he gets help from the OG or TE does his defense posture change. If so how do you attack it. How does the QB handle pressure. Does he here footsteps? Does he shy away from pressure coming form one side and not the other. Does he like to step up on the outside pressure. If so is the inside track with this QB more effective? What is his average release time? Can I get him off his spot?……. These are just few of may things the Pass rusher needs prepare himself for every game if he wants to be great at what he does. Take Simmons switchblade Defender. He does not have to just gain knowledge of just one position on the field to get a feel for. He needs to understand his opponents habits as it pertains to the MLB, Corner, OLB, and Safety . He can play anywhere on the Defense. Meh.... Can he in the NFL? Because if he does not have a pretty darn good knowledge of all the attributes of the opponents that the position he is playing at that moment MLB OLB Safety…… He is at a disadvantage. I do not see how he can ever be game ready to play multiple disciplines in the NFL in every game.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 1, 2020 15:04:05 GMT -5
Good point most think he is gonna be an off ball Linebacker that can move around the formation Weather man the middle of the field with his range or into the Slot just relaying what I read. He is gonna be downgraded mightly if he goes to a team that runs a defense that they can't adjust to the talent. One thing that bothers me is if you draft him you got to have a plan how they are going to deploy him. It is tough to be a great NFL player at one position. Lets look at an Edge rusher. He has to hone his skillset. He need to know the nuances of his opponents. The guys on the field are the best of the best at what they do. If you are not prepared. You are beat before the opening kickoff. How does the OT handle his position? Is it better to bull rush him? Runaround the outside of him? Take an inside track? What moves is he vulnerable to? When he gets help from the OG or TE does his defense posture change. If so how do you attack it. How does the QB handle pressure. Does he here footsteps? Does he shy away from presser coming form one side and not the other. Does he like to step up on the outside pressure. If so is the inside track with this QB more effective? What is his average release time? Can I get him off his spot?……. These are just few of may things the Pass rusher needs prepare himself for every game if he wants to be great at what he does. Take Simmons switchblade Defender. He does not have to just gain knowledge of just one position on the field to get a feel for. He needs to understand his opponents habits as it pertains to the MLB, Corner, OLB, and Safety . He can play anywhere on the Defense. Meh.... Can he in the NFL? Because if he does not have a pretty darn good knowledge of all the attributes of the opponents that the position he is playing at that moment MLB OLB Safety…… He is at a disadvantage. I do not see how he can ever be game ready to play multiple disciplines in the NFL in every game. This is all up to the guys who study these guys I think he can be all of the honey badger and more. he has the size and speed to dominate at LB while is learning. he has been doing this for a while so he knows what it takes.
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Post by giants8493 on Mar 1, 2020 15:09:07 GMT -5
For me it was a hard no before now I wouldn't go nuts if they drafted him at 4 that would be saved for if he busts How do draft someone at the top of the draft without knowing what he excels at. Safety 218 snaps Slot corner 286 snaps MLB 160 snaps OLB 120 snaps Corner 17 snaps. What do you draft this guy as? Bugs against the Gashouse Gorillas? Well you would clearly draft him as an line backer that you can move around. With the Giants having a good amount of big bodied dline I think they would keep him clean and let him make plays! I remember judge saying that he liked to look at what a player can do vs what he does in a specific role. It looks like he can do a lot.
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 1, 2020 15:12:54 GMT -5
Not really Most of us knew this .... His issues still exist Undefined role Questionable football instincts Cant get off of blocks(even from recievers) It would be no different than if Jeudy ran a 4.31 He is a defensive toy IMO If anything you might see even Washington take this guy IMO to high a risk to take early. I still think Bush and White were better linebacker prospects because they both had sick athletic skills but had defined linebacker roles stop it already. Your the only one with questions. Teams are salivating over that elite skill set. Aren’t you the Chaisson guy? Talk about questions.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 1, 2020 15:13:38 GMT -5
For a team like the Giants who need help every where if they believe he can change a game from a few different spots they might pull the trigger he is an elite athlete height weight speed.
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 1, 2020 15:14:25 GMT -5
How do draft someone at the top of the draft without knowing what he excels at. Safety 218 snaps Slot corner 286 snaps MLB 160 snaps OLB 120 snaps Corner 17 snaps. What do you draft this guy as? Bugs against the Gashouse Gorillas? Well you would clearly draft him as an line backer that you can move around. With the Giants having a good amount of big bodied dline I think they would keep him clean and let him make plays! I remember judge saying that he liked to look at what a player can do vs what he does in a specific role. It looks like he can do a lot. dont try to make sense of things, our highly credible couch gm’s know all.
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Post by TEM on Mar 1, 2020 15:14:33 GMT -5
How do draft someone at the top of the draft without knowing what he excels at. Safety 218 snaps Slot corner 286 snaps MLB 160 snaps OLB 120 snaps Corner 17 snaps. What do you draft this guy as? Bugs against the Gashouse Gorillas? Well you would clearly draft him as an line backer that you can move around. With the Giants having a good amount of big bodied dline I think they would keep him clean and let him make plays! I remember judge saying that he liked to look at what a player can do vs what he does in a specific role. It looks like he can do a lot. It is easy to play that kind of role in the NCAA . 90% of the opponents on the field will never see the inside of an NFL lock room. You can beat them because you are better than them The NFL is a different animal.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 1, 2020 15:15:41 GMT -5
How do draft someone at the top of the draft without knowing what he excels at. Safety 218 snaps Slot corner 286 snaps MLB 160 snaps OLB 120 snaps Corner 17 snaps. What do you draft this guy as? Bugs against the Gashouse Gorillas? Well you would clearly draft him as an line backer that you can move around. With the Giants having a good amount of big bodied dline I think they would keep him clean and let him make plays! I remember judge saying that he liked to look at what a player can do vs what he does in a specific role. It looks like he can do a lot. Funny how some view his versatility as a negative when it is the actual reason why he is rated so highly.
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Post by TEM on Mar 1, 2020 15:17:53 GMT -5
It is tough to be a great NFL player at one position. Lets look at an Edge rusher. He has to hone his skillset. He need to know the nuances of his opponents. The guys on the field are the best of the best at what they do. If you are not prepared. You are beat before the opening kickoff. How does the OT handle his position? Is it better to bull rush him? Runaround the outside of him? Take an inside track? What moves is he vulnerable to? When he gets help from the OG or TE does his defense posture change. If so how do you attack it. How does the QB handle pressure. Does he here footsteps? Does he shy away from presser coming form one side and not the other. Does he like to step up on the outside pressure. If so is the inside track with this QB more effective? What is his average release time? Can I get him off his spot?……. These are just few of may things the Pass rusher needs prepare himself for every game if he wants to be great at what he does. Take Simmons switchblade Defender. He does not have to just gain knowledge of just one position on the field to get a feel for. He needs to understand his opponents habits as it pertains to the MLB, Corner, OLB, and Safety . He can play anywhere on the Defense. Meh.... Can he in the NFL? Because if he does not have a pretty darn good knowledge of all the attributes of the opponents that the position he is playing at that moment MLB OLB Safety…… He is at a disadvantage. I do not see how he can ever be game ready to play multiple disciplines in the NFL in every game. This is all up to the guys who study these guys I think he can be all of the honey badger and more. he has the size and speed to dominate at LB while is learning. he has been doing this for a while so he knows what it takes. I hope you are right about him. If you have ever listened to Banks talk. he was study my opponent. Study my opponent. Study my opponent . He just had a few guys to observe on how to beat them.
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Post by TEM on Mar 1, 2020 15:19:07 GMT -5
Well you would clearly draft him as an line backer that you can move around. With the Giants having a good amount of big bodied dline I think they would keep him clean and let him make plays! I remember judge saying that he liked to look at what a player can do vs what he does in a specific role. It looks like he can do a lot. Funny how some view his versatility as a negative when it is the actual reason why he is rated so highly. I think it is more of a double edged blade.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 1, 2020 15:19:12 GMT -5
Well you would clearly draft him as an line backer that you can move around. With the Giants having a good amount of big bodied dline I think they would keep him clean and let him make plays! I remember judge saying that he liked to look at what a player can do vs what he does in a specific role. It looks like he can do a lot. It is easy to play that kind of role in the NCAA . 90% of the opponents on the field will never see the inside of an NFL lock room. You can beat them because you are better than them The NFL is a different animal. Thats why I say I defer to the front office if they think so I believe them they have seen the best of best and been part of drafting the best of the best.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 1, 2020 15:23:45 GMT -5
Well you would clearly draft him as an line backer that you can move around. With the Giants having a good amount of big bodied dline I think they would keep him clean and let him make plays! I remember judge saying that he liked to look at what a player can do vs what he does in a specific role. It looks like he can do a lot. Funny how some view his versatility as a negative when it is the actual reason why he is rated so highly. Well it is a risky deal whether they will ever be elite at anyone position for a 4th overall if he were an Elite LB and and just good at the other stuff he is worth it. he has everything a player needs to play all those spots he has the tools can he use them.
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Post by TEM on Mar 1, 2020 15:25:27 GMT -5
It is easy to play that kind of role in the NCAA . 90% of the opponents on the field will never see the inside of an NFL lock room. You can beat them because you are better than them The NFL is a different animal. Thats why I say I defer to the front office if they think so I believe them they have seen the best of best and been part of drafting the best of the best. It doesn't matter what any of us think anyway . The FO is going to do what they see as the best fit for the team. This is what is great about the offseason we all get to voice our Armchair GM opinions.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 1, 2020 15:27:09 GMT -5
This is all up to the guys who study these guys I think he can be all of the honey badger and more. he has the size and speed to dominate at LB while is learning. he has been doing this for a while so he knows what it takes. I hope you are right about him. If you have ever listened to Banks talk. he was study my opponent. Study my opponent. Study my opponent . He just had a few guys to observe on how to beat them. I don't know if they are gonna draft him. I still want tackle but if they did I wouldn't be on here the next day slaying Gettlemen LB is a huge need also and a side line to side line guy like this guy is hard to find.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 1, 2020 15:29:10 GMT -5
Thats why I say I defer to the front office if they think so I believe them they have seen the best of best and been part of drafting the best of the best. It doesn't matter what any of us think anyway . The FO is going to do what they see as the best fit for the team. This is what is great about the offseason we all get to voice our Armchair GM opinions. Yup I all depends front offices are looking at now and three years of prospects down the road.
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Post by TEM on Mar 1, 2020 15:30:01 GMT -5
I hope you are right about him. If you have ever listened to Banks talk. he was study my opponent. Study my opponent. Study my opponent . He just had a few guys to observe on how to beat them. I don't know if they are gonna draft him. I still want tackle but if they did I wouldn't be on here the next day slaying Gettlemen LB is a huge need also and a side line to side line guy like this guy is hard to find. I want an OT also. Dave know what is best. He has had good drafts so far.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 1, 2020 15:30:04 GMT -5
Funny how some view his versatility as a negative when it is the actual reason why he is rated so highly. Well it is a risky deal whether they will ever be elite at anyone position for a 4th overall if he were an Elite LB and and just good at the other stuff he is worth it. he has everything a player needs to play all those spots he has the tools can he use them. If he is going to be this Swiss Army knife type of player in the NFL, it will take: (1) the right coaching staff; (2) super hard work on his part to learn the assignments at multiple positions; and (3) a high level of football intelligence to learn and master the assignments at multiple positions.
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