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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 28, 2020 15:54:37 GMT -5
If Gettleman selects Becton at #4 then he’s begging to get fired. Becton a player that is getting much attention right now would be such a reach at #4 that it would have to be that Gettleman has become senile over night. And that his draft board is written in crayon. It’s the only logical explanation of such an idiotic thought. The #4th pick HAS to be a major contributor right out of the gate. If Gettleman swings and misses at this pick you might as well start mailing him get well cards because he will be sent packing faster than toilet paper at your local grocery stores. That is why DG will go BPA. Which, if available will be Simmons. It ‘s a safe pick. Just curious, how much influence , Judge will have.
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 28, 2020 16:13:32 GMT -5
thomas is overrated. he doesn't do anything at an elite level, he's just a steady all around player. i'd be concerned with his athleticism/play strength and holding up in the vertical passing game, which is critical for the giants.
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 28, 2020 16:17:50 GMT -5
If Gettleman selects Becton at #4 then he’s begging to get fired. Becton a player that is getting much attention right now would be such a reach at #4 that it would have to be that Gettleman has become senile over night. And that his draft board is written in crayon. It’s the only logical explanation of such an idiotic thought. The #4th pick HAS to be a major contributor right out of the gate. If Gettleman swings and misses at this pick you might as well start mailing him get well cards because he will be sent packing faster than toilet paper at your local grocery stores. That is why DG will go BPA. Which, if available will be Simmons. It ‘s a safe pick. Just curious, how much influence , Judge will have. Judge said at his introductory press conference that he wants smart, tough and versatile players. Wonder if there will be anybody available at #4 who will fit that bill?
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 28, 2020 16:19:21 GMT -5
That is why DG will go BPA. Which, if available will be Simmons. It ‘s a safe pick. Just curious, how much influence , Judge will have. Judge said at his introductory press conference that he wants smart, tough and versatile players. Wonder if there will be anybody available at #4 who will fit that bill? That was my thought as well. Simmons seems perfect based on that description.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 17:13:00 GMT -5
Judge said at his introductory press conference that he wants smart, tough and versatile players. Wonder if there will be anybody available at #4 who will fit that bill? That was my thought as well. Simmons seems perfect based on that description. Simmons is the exact player the staff has been describing for a few months now. The HC, the GM, the head of scouting ect.
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Post by mj312 on Mar 28, 2020 22:59:17 GMT -5
If this team goes by true priority defense has to be first with either young or Simmons .. if you take a tackle and neglect a true top talent in defense once again we will not win any close games .. it will be the same old crap we have been dealing with for years .. we will be in it all game and in the last drive the defense will fold.. if you go back and look at alot of Jones mistakes last near they were not always the lines fault . he held the ball way too long and fumbled a ton .. we can draft 5 of the best lineman and he will still get hit . The idea that we have to take a tackle at 4 so Jones can be successful is wrong .. if they don't fix this crappy defense Jones will have to play like mahommes every game to win and that's not happening . Take a lineman in the 2nd .
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 28, 2020 22:59:42 GMT -5
Jerry Jeudy! SB LV here we come! A QB best friend is a great receiver. Know what else helps? An offensive line, I know what you’re thinking. What is that? I blew the dust off of some old Giants books, and you know what? Four scores and seven years ago we did have a good offensive line. And we actually won some games too. I say draft Andrew Thomas, stick him at right tackle for the year. Let him learn the game and in 2021 send the much liked and respected Solder ass out of town and move Thomas at left tackle. It’s time Mr hog mollie himself backs up his claim of “fixing the offensive line.” Because right now he sounds like a politician, all talk and bluster, with no solutions to the issue. Hopefully, with Thomas or insert your player here (except for Becton) he's far too much of a reach at 4. We can finally trot out a respectable and dare I say a dominant offensive line. They have pure analytic drafts, where you seen JJ and then Ruggs...and subjective according a certain writer...like every other "expert". PFF believe, through data...and you can disagree as that's fine, some do...but they have a pass value that takes out much value for running backs and run stuffing DT's...and they also grade Daniel Jones according to his many fumbles, that takes down a grade. So what I'm trying to say, is that...well, they hate many of the players we pick and sign, and trade for. And in their defense, we don't win with them. They value the WR quite a bit as well as TE and CB, and why the analytic draft will probably spit to one of the highly graded pass catching phenoms to us at 4. I certainly don't agree, as I'm all over OT, and probably to a fault. I'm in favor of the trade back, but the Lions hold that ace. Once the Dolphins trade up, the Chargers have no worries about us taking Herbert or Love unless they believe we trade far past where we believe "our" tackle will be. Hell, we might think our best OT being Josh Jones, and believe he will be waiting there after a bigger slide of a tradeback, only to once again have a team trade up and reach to 13 for Jones as we pick 14....and we begin that unplanned frenzy of taking some Eli Apple again. Offensive tackles get picked and picked a lot...and reached for a lot. I'd prefer the Giants just take their OT they have graded the highest, and run up to the podium at 4 versus playing games...unless, somehow the Chargers do fear some smoke....not sure Dave Gettleman is a very good poker player...his tells are his ego and idiocy with the media. This is music to my ears. I'm old enough to remember what a good OL wearing NY Giants uniforms looks like. It's almost ten years in the making, it better be an awesome line. That said, if we draft a WR I'm gonna plotz.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 29, 2020 8:53:26 GMT -5
It seems as if 99% here would go Young if he was there. Yet most of those people wanted to see us win that meaningless Washington game, which could put Young in our division and left us out of the sweepstakes. If I was GM, I would have told Shurmur to start Tanney that game. That is nice and all but coaches are coaching for their NFL lives every win counts for them it didn't save Shurmur but he landed on his feet because of what he did with rookie QB. If I were the coach my answer would be no and if you don't like it call the boss and get my pink slip from him. Coaches careers turn on anime look at Betcher when he was hired here to was touted as great hiring and he probably wouldn't be around long because he would be in the head coaching mix being he was considered an up and coming young coach. Now you be lucky to here his name as a DC again anytime soon he probably have to start over as a LBs coach.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 29, 2020 8:58:22 GMT -5
Let's not be too hasty...I strongly believe that if Josh Rosen ever wins a starting spot, he is Canton bound. He very well may be the only first round QB pick to be unseated by a new first round pick two years in a row! he was unseated by the Fitzmagic in Miami he is on the fast track to either late bloomer or career backup.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 29, 2020 9:14:56 GMT -5
If this team goes by true priority defense has to be first with either young or Simmons .. if you take a tackle and neglect a true top talent in defense once again we will not win any close games .. it will be the same old crap we have been dealing with for years .. we will be in it all game and in the last drive the defense will fold.. if you go back and look at alot of Jones mistakes last near they were not always the lines fault . he held the ball way too long and fumbled a ton .. we can draft 5 of the best lineman and he will still get hit . The idea that we have to take a tackle at 4 so Jones can be successful is wrong .. if they don't fix this crappy defense Jones will have to play like mahommes every game to win and that's not happening . Take a lineman in the 2nd . YOU CAN'T JU5T TAKE A LINEMEN IN THE 2ND That's not how the draft works...for the 534172425th time You can't wait to take a player in round 2 and pigeon hole a position in that round because you have this fetish for defense at 4(when the defense has been improved with an infusion of good solid fundamentally sound football players and a bunch of young guys that probably improve with good coaching. It will be functional and not be as bad as you think. You wait till the 2nd round and you risk all the highly grade tackles being gone..you reach for one... Now 2 picks wasted And newsflash The QB is the most important player on the team Newsflash and fact 2,Jones is already against it having to learn a new system in year 2 while the game slows.down with no actual timetable of OTAs or being with teammates for who knows how long. You force him tone behind this line as is like you seemingly want to then we will not develop,probably badly regress and it doesnt matter what else the team does because we have a damaged wasted QB,all because you reached for a boom or bust highly athletic toy with questionable football IQ This is also how a logical,sane,and educated in how to roster building GM does it Analyses FA and draft Seems defense is more easy to adress in FA and gets players to plug holes to make it at least a functional unit.. Beefs special teams so one of the 3 units is a top unit. Sees draft is loaded on one side of the ball with high end players at multiple positions and projected a bunch of needs can be filled on that side of the ball BPA Also early projections is the other side of the ball is strong early and deep in 2021. The logical GM gets the top T in round one,Cushenburry or Ruiz round 2 (a great O line helps the defense as well,scoring a bunch of points and holding the ball..just saying),another dynamic playmaker rounds 3-5 to pair with Slayton to year,so the team can intimidate opposing defenses with deep speed like modern offenses do so that you can now play ball control and score at will against a team.frightened by speed into playing soft(see 49ers in Super bowl) Then in 2021,the smart team deletes old LT and WR,spends money on a high end piece on defense ...and in a deep defensive class finish the defense...
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 29, 2020 18:02:20 GMT -5
YOU CAN'T JU5T TAKE A LINEMEN IN THE 2ND Can't the same be said about round 1?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 18:18:22 GMT -5
Let's not be too hasty...I strongly believe that if Josh Rosen ever wins a starting spot, he is Canton bound. He very well may be the only first round QB pick to be unseated by a new first round pick two years in a row! he was unseated by the Fitzmagic in Miami he is on the fast track to either late bloomer or career backup. Rosen will be out of football quite soon, I don't see backup in his future...comes from wealth, and will be making millions in the non concussion world This is a GOOD article back in 2018..with all the black and white you need ... www.insidesources.com/josh-rosen/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 20:03:36 GMT -5
Wow you think Becton is that poor? I don't think he is much different than Thomas honestly. All four of the OTs have questions about them but Thomas seems to lead the pack from my eyes and Becton isn't far off.
What's your thoughts on Thomas if Becton is graded as "instant fire"?
I see Thomas as legitimate left tackle in this league. Hard to say the same with Becton. I find players that massive to have far too many issues with their knees and backs. I think he will fall into that as he gets older. He could be a good pro, you and I don’t know that for certain right now. But with a franchise that is grasping at respectability and wins we need a player who is going to be penciled in as rock on our line for a decade. I feel Thomas is that guy. Edit: Never said he was poor. Raw
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Post by yoho on Mar 29, 2020 20:53:47 GMT -5
I would trade back, but not too far, and would add future picks into the mix to get two first round picks. With those to first round picks, I would go OT with the first one, best player available with the second one, and I pick a center with the second round pick. Then, Safety, LB, and WR, not necessarily in that order.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 30, 2020 6:21:16 GMT -5
YOU CAN'T JU5T TAKE A LINEMEN IN THE 2ND Can't the same be said about round 1? The way this draft is loaded, and our pick being at 4, you can mostly do so (many folks are disclaiming it by the slim chance of Young being available, haven't seen many posts suggesting we pass on him for a lineman should he drop to us). Everyone ranks the players a little differently. I understand that some people rate Simmons and even Okudah above any of the fab 4 OT's, but that is also very subjective, just like the rankings of the fab 4 themselves, its all over the place.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 30, 2020 6:52:02 GMT -5
Judge said at his introductory press conference that he wants smart, tough and versatile players. Wonder if there will be anybody available at #4 who will fit that bill? That was my thought as well. Simmons seems perfect based on that description. Judge also said they dont want just collect talent they want to build a team. DG stated how powerful the other NFCE teams were up the middle on defense and he wants the Giants to be able to counter that. Says a "Quahhtaback" cant do his job layin' on the ground. Said that in the same presser as "the open for business" statement. If they draft Simmons, as a fan I'll be cool with it, but they really need to draft Thomas and he is worth it at 4.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 30, 2020 10:06:27 GMT -5
Can't the same be said about round 1? The way this draft is loaded, and our pick being at 4, you can mostly do so (many folks are disclaiming it by the slim chance of Young being available, haven't seen many posts suggesting we pass on him for a lineman should he drop to us). Everyone ranks the players a little differently. I understand that some people rate Simmons and even Okudah above any of the fab 4 OT's, but that is also very subjective, just like the rankings of the fab 4 themselves, its all over the place. Absolutely. It's all subjective and the only real opinions that matter are people being paid by the Giants. People keep saying "you can't be sure an OT will be there in round 2" and the exact same thing can be said about round 1. I HIGHLY doubt the Giants rate all 4 OTs the same, it's very likely 1 is rated significantly higher than the others. So we should not go into the draft with a "just pick Becton" approach because if he isn't there then what? "Just pick a different OT" seems like a foolish approach and leads to simply picking a guy for his position.
If we rate an OT as good (or close) to Simmons/Okudah and that OT is there for us then by all means take him. If not then take the top player on our board.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 30, 2020 10:10:45 GMT -5
That was my thought as well. Simmons seems perfect based on that description. Judge also said they dont want just collect talent they want to build a team. DG stated how powerful the other NFCE teams were up the middle on defense and he wants the Giants to be able to counter that. Says a "Quahhtaback" cant do his job layin' on the ground. Said that in the same presser as "the open for business" statement. If they draft Simmons, as a fan I'll be cool with it, but they really need to draft Thomas and he is worth it at 4. Yes he also has clearly stated since day 1 here that fixing the OL is a priority. I believe 100% he will continue to try and fix the OL and will draft 1-2 maybe more OL this class and bring in undrafted free agents as well. He also has taken 7 OL in the draft and none have been in the first round (2 good starters, 1 Pro Bowl, 1 All Pro).
There is no denying that OL is high on his priority list, there is also no denying that Simmons fits their mold as a player. Suggesting otherwise on either account is just hiding from the evidence in our face.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Mar 30, 2020 13:57:09 GMT -5
Maybe I can actually post on this thread without geting called names. Yes I would pick Isaiah Simmons at 4 lol.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 30, 2020 14:07:10 GMT -5
Maybe I can actually post on this thread without geting called names. Yes I would pick Isaiah Simmons at 4 lol. Maybe......maybe not....lol
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 30, 2020 15:00:50 GMT -5
Maybe I can actually post on this thread without geting called names. Yes I would pick Isaiah Simmons at 4 lol. a**hole!!!!!
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 30, 2020 15:25:16 GMT -5
our team is sorely in need of playmakers especially on defense so without hesitation I would pick Simmons.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 30, 2020 16:34:00 GMT -5
Maybe I can actually post on this thread without geting called names. Yes I would pick Isaiah Simmons at 4 lol. Don't feel bad. Some people, an outspoken few, really want us to go OL so they must attack Simmons and anyone that likes him as a player. Most fans on the board realize that we need OL and LB help and will be happy with a stud at either position. It's the select few "special" ones that will attack you if you mention that maybe Simmons is a good player.
Nothing wrong with Simmons at 4 at all.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Mar 30, 2020 16:48:20 GMT -5
Maybe I can actually post on this thread without geting called names. Yes I would pick Isaiah Simmons at 4 lol. Don't feel bad. Some people, an outspoken few, really want us to go OL so they must attack Simmons and anyone that likes him as a player. Most fans on the board realize that we need OL and LB help and will be happy with a stud at either position. It's the select few "special" ones that will attack you if you mention that maybe Simmons is a good player.
Nothing wrong with Simmons at 4 at all.
lol I get it, the tackle position is very important. Just feel Simmons is to good to pass up.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 30, 2020 16:52:31 GMT -5
lol I get it, the tackle position is very important. Just feel Simmons is to good to pass up. I'm with you. I think Simmons is just a higher caliber player with a higher ceiling. He is such a rare talent that we really have not seen before. There are OL this caliber fairly often in the draft IMO. Now if the staff thinks one of these guys is a great talent then they should pick him and not think twice.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Mar 30, 2020 16:59:09 GMT -5
lol I get it, the tackle position is very important. Just feel Simmons is to good to pass up. I'm with you. I think Simmons is just a higher caliber player with a higher ceiling. He is such a rare talent that we really have not seen before. There are OL this caliber fairly often in the draft IMO. Now if the staff thinks one of these guys is a great talent then they should pick him and not think twice. 100%
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Mar 30, 2020 17:06:50 GMT -5
Maybe I can actually post on this thread without geting called names. Yes I would pick Isaiah Simmons at 4 lol. a**hole!!!!! Tell me about it lol
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Post by GameTime on Mar 31, 2020 16:33:39 GMT -5
Its going be
Young ( doubtful) Thomas ( I hope) Simmons (cant really complain)
Either way the Giants are going to have a great player in the first round
So not really a bad thing at all
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 31, 2020 16:49:43 GMT -5
Its going be Young ( doubtful) Thomas ( I hope) Simmons (cant really complain) Either way the Giants are going to have a great player in the first round So not really a bad thing at all Seems like the entire board is either that way or
Young Simmons (I hope) OT (can't complain)
Some freak out at the thought of not going OT but I think most are happy to just get a great player at 4 this year.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 31, 2020 16:54:43 GMT -5
Its going be Young ( doubtful) Thomas ( I hope) Simmons (cant really complain) Either way the Giants are going to have a great player in the first round So not really a bad thing at all Seems like the entire board is either that way or
Young Simmons (I hope) OT (can't complain)
Some freak out at the thought of not going OT but I think most are happy to just get a great player at 4 this year.
no doubt that there are some that are particular.... But....I am just pointing out that they will get a potentially great player either way. Which ultimately no fan will piss and moan about
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