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Post by IrishMike on Mar 31, 2020 17:20:33 GMT -5
no doubt that there are some that are particular.... But....I am just pointing out that they will get a potentially great player either way. Which ultimately no fan will piss and moan aboutYou new here? People will absolutely complain lol. Barkley is one of the best players we have had in decades and people are still upset.
I agree we should end up with a great player and that will make me happy. I for one look forward to this draft. We suffered all season now lets us get our reward, a great player.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 31, 2020 17:33:20 GMT -5
Its going be Young ( doubtful) Thomas ( I hope) Simmons (cant really complain) Either way the Giants are going to have a great player in the first round So not really a bad thing at all Maybe because some of us don't see Simmons as a great player,especially in the top 10 And to blow an opportunity to to finally get a top T then double down and get a day 1 starting c on day 2 and finally fix the line for an extremely high risk boom or bust type of player(its interesting those who think he is a God somehow don't see the glaring bad playes he has made,especially against Ohio State ) Young is a different story an a unicorn Hell I'd rather be momentarily livid if we took Lamb or Jeudy with our first pick..at least those 2 have a baseline of not being boom or bust and would help the offense...
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 31, 2020 17:48:45 GMT -5
Seems like the entire board is either that way or
Young Simmons (I hope) OT (can't complain)
Some freak out at the thought of not going OT but I think most are happy to just get a great player at 4 this year.
no doubt that there are some that are particular.... But....I am just pointing out that they will get a potentially great player either way. Which ultimately no fan will piss and moan aboutHow long have you posted here?
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 31, 2020 18:00:46 GMT -5
Maybe because some of us don't see Simmons as a great player,especially in the top 10 If you don't think Simmons is a great player then I don't blame you for not wanting him. I think you're wrong but at least I can see why you wouldn't want him.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 31, 2020 18:21:10 GMT -5
Maybe because some of us don't see Simmons as a great player,especially in the top 10 If you don't think Simmons is a great player then I don't blame you for not wanting him. I think you're wrong but at least I can see why you wouldn't want him. The first half against Ohio State alone made me cringe.. Yeah he made a wow play in the 2nd to help turn it around when he dropped all the way back and cut off that deep out for an int... That game is what you get from him...WOW And WTF... I cannot condone risking taking this guy this early ...and bypassing obvious needs that will help our franchise qb develop..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 18:22:32 GMT -5
Thomas Chaisson Wills Wirfs Becton McKinney Simmons Gross-Matos For the record . Most of these selections I believe could be traded down for. If it is by BPA and it should be . We have the number 4 pick. So we should have 4 players on board for the 4th pick. Burrow Young Tua Thomas If Young and Thomas are off the board. I would trade the pick. Simmons should definitely be in your BPA list. Not Tua I think top 4 by BPA in this order: Burrow Young Simmons Fab 4. Depends on who you ask for which one
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 18:33:16 GMT -5
Mine would be: Simmons - As a long time Giants fan who grew up in the 80s when the LBs were the cornerstone of the defense, I think it is a travesty that the organization has devalued the position so much. I want to see the team invest resources here and get some playmakers. Okudah - 1A with Simmons. He is a technician and an athlete. He has the smarts and the character to go along with being able to play. He is a culture builder and potentially a future captain. If not for all the resources already put into the secondary recently I would probably put him first. Wirfs - Great feet, Athletic and enough size. Plus Iowa churns out some good lineman. I think he has the highest ceiling and can play on the left side. Wills - Has a nasty streak, is a road grader in the run game and is a good pass protector. Not sure he will be able to play LT. I think he will be a Pro Bowler on the right. Thomas - A true left tackle because he has played there. I think he has the highest floor and might be the most ready day 1. He struggled some against some of the better D lines. Becton - I see him as a bit of a project. Has some good traits but I worry about his size being a hindrance. Heavy guys usually dont get lighter. I wonder how he will do against speed. Jeudy - Would be high on my list if not for other needs. I think he is the best WR in this draft. Lamb - I see him as a mid first round talent. Will be a solid player for some team. I hope the Giants dont draft him absent a trade down. Where would Okudah start? Opposite Bradberry and then move Baker to slot? I think that isn’t the best option for Baker. Yeah he struggled but improved as the season continued. We have other needs
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Post by TEM on Mar 31, 2020 18:39:00 GMT -5
Thomas Chaisson Wills Wirfs Becton McKinney Simmons Gross-Matos For the record . Most of these selections I believe could be traded down for. If it is by BPA and it should be . We have the number 4 pick. So we should have 4 players on board for the 4th pick. Burrow Young Tua Thomas If Young and Thomas are off the board. I would trade the pick. Simmons should definitely be in your BPA list. Not Tua I think top 4 by BPA in this order: Burrow Young Simmons Fab 4. Depends on who you ask for which one I cannot deny it is most likely he is on the FO's radar and there is a high probability he gets picked by us. . Me personally I have my doubts he would transition well to the NFL. I am not and never have been a fan of tweeners. If he gets picked I hope I am wrong.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 31, 2020 18:40:02 GMT -5
The first half against Ohio State alone made me cringe.. Yeah he made a wow play in the 2nd to help turn it around when he dropped all the way back and cut off that deep out for an int... That game is what you get from him...WOW And WTF... I cannot condone risking taking this guy this early ...and bypassing obvious needs that will help our franchise qb develop.. I keep saying if they rate an OT as high as Simmons (or higher) take the OT. Don't take the OT just because he is an OT in college.
I think your assessment of Simmons is 100% wrong though. I think he is the new look LB in the NFL. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 18:49:00 GMT -5
Maybe I can actually post on this thread without geting called names. Yes I would pick Isaiah Simmons at 4 lol. You big Dummie
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 31, 2020 18:54:39 GMT -5
I cannot deny it is most likely he is on the FO's radar and there is a high probability he gets picked by us. . Me personally I have my doubts he would transition well to the NFL. I am not and never have been a fan of tweeners. If he gets picked I hope I am wrong. "Me neither. Especially that Urlacher guy. I mean what the heck is a "Lobo-back" anyway? Kid won't make it in the NFL.' - People in 1999.
"You can't have a 6'3" 240 pound safety in the NFL." - People in 2010
"I really don't know why I was passed over," he said. "They didn't know if I was going to be a safety or a linebacker." - Kam Chancellor (5th round pick, All Pro) "We have always, as far back as I can remember, formulated schemes that allow you to draw individual strengths that you have," coach Pete Carroll said. "That is what we do. We try to find the unique qualities that our guys do have … and put them in position to do things they're really good at."
Pete sounds a lot like Judge there.
My point is that tweener used to be a negative, now it is called versatile and coaches crave it. The NFL is moving in a new direction. The Saints have a QB that they line up at TE, FB, RB, WR and QB. This is a new NFL.
Here is a decent read (whether you like Simmons or not).
(This post in no way is trying to make you like Simmons. If you think he stinks that is fine. Being a "tweener" is no longer a bad thing.)
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Post by TEM on Mar 31, 2020 19:06:38 GMT -5
I cannot deny it is most likely he is on the FO's radar and there is a high probability he gets picked by us. . Me personally I have my doubts he would transition well to the NFL. I am not and never have been a fan of tweeners. If he gets picked I hope I am wrong. "Me neither. Especially that Urlacher guy. I mean what the heck is a "Lobo-back" anyway? Kid won't make it in the NFL.' - People in 1999.
"You can't have a 6'3" 240 pound safety in the NFL." - People in 2010
"I really don't know why I was passed over," he said. "They didn't know if I was going to be a safety or a linebacker." - Kam Chancellor (5th round pick, All Pro) "We have always, as far back as I can remember, formulated schemes that allow you to draw individual strengths that you have," coach Pete Carroll said. "That is what we do. We try to find the unique qualities that our guys do have … and put them in position to do things they're really good at."
Pete sounds a lot like Judge there.
My point is that tweener used to be a negative, now it is called versatile and coaches crave it. The NFL is moving in a new direction. The Saints have a QB that they line up at TE, FB, RB, WR and QB. This is a new NFL.
Here is a decent read (whether you like Simmons or not).
(This post in no way is trying to make you like Simmons. If you think he stinks that is fine. Being a "tweener" is no longer a bad thing.)
Not changing my opinion.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 31, 2020 19:35:17 GMT -5
Simmons should definitely be in your BPA list. Not Tua I think top 4 by BPA in this order: Burrow Young Simmons Fab 4. Depends on who you ask for which one I cannot deny it is most likely he is on the FO's radar and there is a high probability he gets picked by us. . Me personally I have my doubts he would transition well to the NFL. I am not and never have been a fan of tweeners. If he gets picked I hope I am wrong. I would actually have Okudah in my top 4 and Simmons at the bottom if that in the top 10 Not that I would take Okudah because of 5 picks last year expended on 3 of them (2nd,4th and 5th to acquire Baker,the 2018 comp pick for Beal that was spent as a 2019 3rd..and Ballentine in the 6tH) and signing Bradbury...
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 31, 2020 20:22:38 GMT -5
You should not change your opinion on Simmons.
You should look at the NFL and understand that "tweeners" are everywhere and are very successful. The top talent in this class is a 265 pound DE-LB "tweener". They started calling them "edge" though. Time to get with the times bud.
"Next up? Finding a definitive name for the hybrid linebacker/safety that is starting to germinate the game."
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Post by TEM on Mar 31, 2020 20:37:23 GMT -5
You should not change your opinion on Simmons.
You should look at the NFL and understand that "tweeners" are everywhere and are very successful.
We did good with Reasons and Carson. and than DeOssie and Johnson. They weren't tweeners.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 31, 2020 21:00:13 GMT -5
We did good with Reasons and Carson. and than DeOssie and Johnson. They weren't tweeners. What? You said "I am not and never have been a fan of tweeners". Would you not take Chase Young? The entire "edge" position is something that was created to give DE/LB tweeners a name. Are you not a fan of edge players?
Personally I think you just really want to go OL (which is fine) and are trying to find reasons to dislike Simmons. Do us both a favor and just wait to see who we pick and then root for that guy. Last time you tried this hard to hate a guy we ended up picking him #6 overall
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Post by TEM on Mar 31, 2020 21:03:37 GMT -5
We did good with Reasons and Carson. and than DeOssie and Johnson. They weren't tweeners. What? You said "I am not and never have been a fan of tweeners". Would you not take Chase Young? The entire "edge" position is something that was created to give DE/LB tweeners a name. Are you not a fan of edge players?
Personally I think you just really want to go OL (which is fine) and are trying to find reasons to dislike Simmons. Do us both a favor and just wait to see who we pick and then root for that guy. Last time you tried this hard to hate a guy we ended up picking him #6 overall
An edge rusher is an edge rusher. OLB or DE they still have to beat the tackle .
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 31, 2020 21:35:38 GMT -5
What? You said "I am not and never have been a fan of tweeners". Would you not take Chase Young? The entire "edge" position is something that was created to give DE/LB tweeners a name. Are you not a fan of edge players?
Personally I think you just really want to go OL (which is fine) and are trying to find reasons to dislike Simmons. Do us both a favor and just wait to see who we pick and then root for that guy. Last time you tried this hard to hate a guy we ended up picking him #6 overall
An edge rusher is an edge rusher. OLB or DE they still have to beat the tackle . Simmons is nowhere near the same league as Young Apples to bananas comparison Young is the only player that can singlehandedly make the entire defense better (which is why he would pre empt a Fab 4 OT.)
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 1, 2020 14:57:58 GMT -5
An edge rusher is an edge rusher. OLB or DE they still have to beat the tackle . Simmons is nowhere near the same league as Young Apples to bananas comparison Young is the only player that can singlehandedly make the entire defense better (which is why he would pre empt a Fab 4 OT.) You completely missed my point, yet you still agree with me.
TEM said he hates tweeners. My point is that he doesn't actually hate tweeners because he would take Chase Young in a heart beat, as would you. He dislikes Simmons, which is fine, but don't hide behind not liking tweeners because you don't like Simmons. Just say you don't think he is good and move on.
Every EDGE player in the NFL is a tweener and the league is using them all the time now. Tweener is no longer a bad thing in the NFL. Whether you like Simmons or not.
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Post by TEM on Apr 1, 2020 15:23:42 GMT -5
Simmons is nowhere near the same league as Young Apples to bananas comparison Young is the only player that can singlehandedly make the entire defense better (which is why he would pre empt a Fab 4 OT.) You completely missed my point, yet you still agree with me.
TEM said he hates tweeners. My point is that he doesn't actually hate tweeners because he would take Chase Young in a heart beat, as would you. He dislikes Simmons, which is fine, but don't hide behind not liking tweeners because you don't like Simmons. Just say you don't think he is good and move on.
Every EDGE player in the NFL is a tweener and the league is using them all the time now. Tweener is no longer a bad thing in the NFL. Whether you like Simmons or not.
Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa I never said I hate tweeners . I said I was not fond of them. Big difference.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 1, 2020 15:43:29 GMT -5
Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa I never said I hate tweeners . I said I was not fond of them. Big difference. Very true, my mistake haha.
Hey TEM did you write this article?
"Say no to tweeners a look at DTs"
It was written in 2008 and states how you need big massive DTs and also finds time to bash Brian Urlacher for being a tweener that couldn't tackle Bettis. Well fast forward and Brian Urlacher now sits in the Hall of Fame and the best DT in the NFL is a 6'1" 280 pound man.
The times are changing and you should embrace the tweeners that are flooding the league. In nature species that adapt earliest get the advantage, the others don't last. Adapt or die.
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Post by cocktailkerry on Apr 1, 2020 20:49:10 GMT -5
Mine would be: Simmons - As a long time Giants fan who grew up in the 80s when the LBs were the cornerstone of the defense, I think it is a travesty that the organization has devalued the position so much. I want to see the team invest resources here and get some playmakers. Okudah - 1A with Simmons. He is a technician and an athlete. He has the smarts and the character to go along with being able to play. He is a culture builder and potentially a future captain. If not for all the resources already put into the secondary recently I would probably put him first. Wirfs - Great feet, Athletic and enough size. Plus Iowa churns out some good lineman. I think he has the highest ceiling and can play on the left side. Wills - Has a nasty streak, is a road grader in the run game and is a good pass protector. Not sure he will be able to play LT. I think he will be a Pro Bowler on the right. Thomas - A true left tackle because he has played there. I think he has the highest floor and might be the most ready day 1. He struggled some against some of the better D lines. Becton - I see him as a bit of a project. Has some good traits but I worry about his size being a hindrance. Heavy guys usually dont get lighter. I wonder how he will do against speed. Jeudy - Would be high on my list if not for other needs. I think he is the best WR in this draft. Lamb - I see him as a mid first round talent. Will be a solid player for some team. I hope the Giants dont draft him absent a trade down. Where would Okudah start? Opposite Bradberry and then move Baker to slot? I think that isn’t the best option for Baker. Yeah he struggled but improved as the season continued. We have other needs I hear you, and I agree we do have other needs but you can't reach and draft a lower rated player to fill a need because more often than not, that doesn't work out. I think Okudah may be the second best player in the draft after Chase Young. Deandre Baker did nothing last year for a sustained period that would make me believe he should even be the top Nickle DB. Yes he showed some improvement toward year's end but I would have to see it a lot longer to put trust in him. Taking Okudah if both Young and Simmons are gone would be a no brainer for me if he were there at 4. Plus I read the other day somewhere that there has already been talk of moving Baker to FS because his long speed is a bit lacking for a corner. I'm not necessarily saying I would do that, but thats what I read. That could potentially resolve the hole at safety that has been a problem for a while. I think Okudah be would be an instant starter and would fortify the defense with Bradbury for the next 3-4 years at least.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 15:13:36 GMT -5
Where would Okudah start? Opposite Bradberry and then move Baker to slot? I think that isn’t the best option for Baker. Yeah he struggled but improved as the season continued. We have other needs I hear you, and I agree we do have other needs but you can't reach and draft a lower rated player to fill a need because more often than not, that doesn't work out. I think Okudah may be the second best player in the draft after Chase Young. Deandre Baker did nothing last year for a sustained period that would make he believe he should even be the top Nickle DB. Yes he showed some improvement toward year's end but I would have to see it a lot longer to put trust in him. Taking Okudah if both Young and Simmons are gone would be a no brainer for me if he were there at 4. Plus I read the other day somewhere that there has already been talk of moving Baker to FS because his long speed is a bit lacking for a corner. I'm not necessarily saying I would do that, but thats what I read. That could potentially resolve the hole at safety that has been a problem for a while. I think Okudah be would be an instant starter and would fortify the defense with Bradbury for the next 3-4 years at least. I think Love might fill our FS position nicely. Hopefully Beal stays healthy and Balls out too. I agree about not picking a position of need but as you put it Okudah and Bradbury can give is a nice Secondary option for 3-4 years. A Fab 4 tackle could give us a stronger line for a decade
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 2, 2020 15:20:51 GMT -5
Where would Okudah start? Opposite Bradberry and then move Baker to slot? I think that isn’t the best option for Baker. Yeah he struggled but improved as the season continued. We have other needs I hear you, and I agree we do have other needs but you can't reach and draft a lower rated player to fill a need because more often than not, that doesn't work out. I think Okudah may be the second best player in the draft after Chase Young. Deandre Baker did nothing last year for a sustained period that would make he believe he should even be the top Nickle DB. Yes he showed some improvement toward year's end but I would have to see it a lot longer to put trust in him. Taking Okudah if both Young and Simmons are gone would be a no brainer for me if he were there at 4. Plus I read the other day somewhere that there has already been talk of moving Baker to FS because his long speed is a bit lacking for a corner. I'm not necessarily saying I would do that, but thats what I read. That could potentially resolve the hole at safety that has been a problem for a while. I think Okudah be would be an instant starter and would fortify the defense with Bradbury for the next 3-4 years at least. Not saying we shouldn't take Okudah because I agree the kid is very talented. You may need to take another look at Baker though. The second half of the year he was one of the best CBs in the NFL and that was in Bettchers system. If you don't think he is good I think you will be very happy with him this year.
Baker will not be moved to safety, where did you read that? Love will be a very good FS for us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 15:40:56 GMT -5
I hear you, and I agree we do have other needs but you can't reach and draft a lower rated player to fill a need because more often than not, that doesn't work out. I think Okudah may be the second best player in the draft after Chase Young. Deandre Baker did nothing last year for a sustained period that would make he believe he should even be the top Nickle DB. Yes he showed some improvement toward year's end but I would have to see it a lot longer to put trust in him. Taking Okudah if both Young and Simmons are gone would be a no brainer for me if he were there at 4. Plus I read the other day somewhere that there has already been talk of moving Baker to FS because his long speed is a bit lacking for a corner. I'm not necessarily saying I would do that, but thats what I read. That could potentially resolve the hole at safety that has been a problem for a while. I think Okudah be would be an instant starter and would fortify the defense with Bradbury for the next 3-4 years at least. Not saying we shouldn't take Okudah because I agree the kid is very talented. You may need to take another look at Baker though. The second half of the year he was one of the best CBs in the NFL and that was in Bettchers system. If you don't think he is good I think you will be very happy with him this year.
Baker will not be moved to safety, where did you read that? Love will be a very good FS for us.
Like I said hopefully Beal and Ballentine come to play this year too. We have a very very very young secondary. Bradberry is the oldest at 26. If this secondary gels it could be sick
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Post by mj312 on Apr 3, 2020 8:35:07 GMT -5
If this team goes by true priority defense has to be first with either young or Simmons .. if you take a tackle and neglect a true top talent in defense once again we will not win any close games .. it will be the same old crap we have been dealing with for years .. we will be in it all game and in the last drive the defense will fold.. if you go back and look at alot of Jones mistakes last near they were not always the lines fault . he held the ball way too long and fumbled a ton .. we can draft 5 of the best lineman and he will still get hit . The idea that we have to take a tackle at 4 so Jones can be successful is wrong .. if they don't fix this crappy defense Jones will have to play like mahommes every game to win and that's not happening . Take a lineman in the 2nd . YOU CAN'T JU5T TAKE A LINEMEN IN THE 2ND That's not how the draft works...for the 534172425th time You can't wait to take a player in round 2 and pigeon hole a position in that round because you have this fetish for defense at 4(when the defense has been improved with an infusion of good solid fundamentally sound football players and a bunch of young guys that probably improve with good coaching. It will be functional and not be as bad as you think. You wait till the 2nd round and you risk all the highly grade tackles being gone..you reach for one... Now 2 picks wasted And newsflash The QB is the most important player on the team Newsflash and fact 2,Jones is already against it having to learn a new system in year 2 while the game slows.down with no actual timetable of OTAs or being with teammates for who knows how long. You force him tone behind this line as is like you seemingly want to then we will not develop,probably badly regress and it doesnt matter what else the team does because we have a damaged wasted QB,all because you reached for a boom or bust highly athletic toy with questionable football IQ This is also how a logical,sane,and educated in how to roster building GM does it Analyses FA and draft Seems defense is more easy to adress in FA and gets players to plug holes to make it at least a functional unit.. Beefs special teams so one of the 3 units is a top unit. Sees draft is loaded on one side of the ball with high end players at multiple positions and projected a bunch of needs can be filled on that side of the ball BPA Also early projections is the other side of the ball is strong early and deep in 2021. The logical GM gets the top T in round one,Cushenburry or Ruiz round 2 (a great O line helps the defense as well,scoring a bunch of points and holding the ball..just saying),another dynamic playmaker rounds 3-5 to pair with Slayton to year,so the team can intimidate opposing defenses with deep speed like modern offenses do so that you can now play ball control and score at will against a team.frightened by speed into playing soft(see 49ers in Super bowl) Then in 2021,the smart team deletes old LT and WR,spends money on a high end piece on defense ...and in a deep defensive class finish the defense... Ok being that your so highly educated in internet football maybe you should go be a GM somewhere .. I don’t care what you say , Simmons will help this team win more games than a tackle will at 4. Duhhhhh , obviously the QB is the most important player but your missing the whole damn point . They took jones because he didn’t need the same amount of protection Eli did in order to be successful.. he doesn’t need the Great Wall in front of him when this team has needs all over the place .. please in your spare time go back and watch games of the last 2,3, or 10 years and watch how many damn games we lost in the last minutes because we can’t cover a tight end or get pressure on the QB. So again , the cookie cutter answer is let’s take a tackle at 4. We have one of the worst defenses in the league but you want to address it with later round picks ? Do you not realize your talent drop off argument between rounds works the same way for defense . This is exactly why we have guys that are just there on defense . We always take guys that might some upside but are projects and we wait for years for them to develop and they never do . Xman and carter won’t even be on this team in a year or 2 . So in closing I’ll tell you again that your wrong and I think your going to be disappointed on draft night .For the people who actually understand why we can’t win games TAKE SIMMONS AT 4
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 3, 2020 8:39:43 GMT -5
^bla bla bla useless word salad..whaaaa the defense.(ignoring the fact we addressed it in FA) and insults from the clueless one
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Anyone with a brain thanks whatever omnipresent sk daddy they worship that you don't run the team after reading that spewage
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 3, 2020 8:39:47 GMT -5
YOU CAN'T JU5T TAKE A LINEMEN IN THE 2ND That's not how the draft works...for the 534172425th time You can't wait to take a player in round 2 and pigeon hole a position in that round because you have this fetish for defense at 4(when the defense has been improved with an infusion of good solid fundamentally sound football players and a bunch of young guys that probably improve with good coaching. It will be functional and not be as bad as you think. You wait till the 2nd round and you risk all the highly grade tackles being gone..you reach for one... Now 2 picks wasted And newsflash The QB is the most important player on the team Newsflash and fact 2,Jones is already against it having to learn a new system in year 2 while the game slows.down with no actual timetable of OTAs or being with teammates for who knows how long. You force him tone behind this line as is like you seemingly want to then we will not develop,probably badly regress and it doesnt matter what else the team does because we have a damaged wasted QB,all because you reached for a boom or bust highly athletic toy with questionable football IQ This is also how a logical,sane,and educated in how to roster building GM does it Analyses FA and draft Seems defense is more easy to adress in FA and gets players to plug holes to make it at least a functional unit.. Beefs special teams so one of the 3 units is a top unit. Sees draft is loaded on one side of the ball with high end players at multiple positions and projected a bunch of needs can be filled on that side of the ball BPA Also early projections is the other side of the ball is strong early and deep in 2021. The logical GM gets the top T in round one,Cushenburry or Ruiz round 2 (a great O line helps the defense as well,scoring a bunch of points and holding the ball..just saying),another dynamic playmaker rounds 3-5 to pair with Slayton to year,so the team can intimidate opposing defenses with deep speed like modern offenses do so that you can now play ball control and score at will against a team.frightened by speed into playing soft(see 49ers in Super bowl) Then in 2021,the smart team deletes old LT and WR,spends money on a high end piece on defense ...and in a deep defensive class finish the defense... Ok being that your so highly educated in internet football maybe you should go be a GM somewhere .. I don’t care what you say , Simmons will help this team win more games than a tackle will at 4. Duhhhhh , obviously the QB is the most important player but your missing the whole damn point . They took jones because he didn’t need the same amount of protection Eli did in order to be successful.. he doesn’t need the Great Wall in front of him when this team has needs all over the place .. please in your spare time go back and watch games of the last 2,3, or 10 years and watch how many damn games we lost in the last minutes because we can’t cover a tight end or get pressure on the QB. So again , the cookie cutter answer is let’s take a tackle at 4. We have one of the worst defenses in the league but you want to address it with later round picks ? Do you not realize your talent drop off argument between rounds works the same way for defense . This is exactly why we have guys that are just there on defense . We always take guys that might some upside but are projects and we wait for years for them to develop and they never do . Xman and carter won’t even be on this team in a year or 2 . So in closing I’ll tell you again that your wrong and I think your going to be disappointed on draft night .For the people who actually understand why we can’t win games TAKE SIMMONS AT 4 Yes, and then we kept our supposedly mobile QB in the pocket 95% of the time. Hopefully, JG will figure out better ways to take advantage of what he can do.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 14, 2020 9:37:55 GMT -5
The way this draft is loaded, and our pick being at 4, you can mostly do so (many folks are disclaiming it by the slim chance of Young being available, haven't seen many posts suggesting we pass on him for a lineman should he drop to us). Everyone ranks the players a little differently. I understand that some people rate Simmons and even Okudah above any of the fab 4 OT's, but that is also very subjective, just like the rankings of the fab 4 themselves, its all over the place. I don't see many people saying pass on Chase Young Simmons is a different matter it's just not a reality he'll(Young) get to us at #4 . I see it as... 1) Bengals ....Burrow 2) Skins .........Young 3) Lions..........Okudah 4) Giants .......Simmons ...............a lot can change in this scenario but I think this is the way it plays out. lol … here's another. What a "BS liar" I am!
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 14, 2020 16:18:23 GMT -5
the thing that scares me in this draft is that if we take one of the OTs we have to know that the bust rate is very high at that position, a lot of highly rated OTs just can't make the jump to the pros and still play at a high level, some do and a lot don't..its a scary proposition..
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