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Post by Merc on Sept 5, 2018 15:27:54 GMT -5
Obviously they liked what they saw on Tanney more than Webb. I doubt that very seriously. Once they tried to shop Webb, he was gone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 15:30:01 GMT -5
It's really not an excuse when since 2013, the Giants have been a "win by the pass" 1st team due to lack of a run game. OBJ didn't amass those $95 million numbers during his 1st 3 yrs cuz the Giants were a run heavy team. If they were, he probably doesn't have 313 rec 4424 yds & 38 TDs in his 1st 44 starts. Once he went down to injury, any chance this team had of being competitive in 17' went down in flames considering we had zero run game & the entire NFL knew the game plan that coach Menu ran. If some of you wanna insist that we couldn't have won 7-8 games last yr with a healthy receiving corps, then that's on you. But that would have brought back both Coach menu & JR so in a way, last yr was a blessing. The bottom line is that we have had 4 losing seasons out of the last 5. We have some rebuilding to do. And now our QB is nearing the end of his career, and I'm not sure at all what the plan is to deal with that.
Our record over those 5 years is 33-47.
I think it’s pretty clear there isn’t one.
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Post by Bigjeep on Sept 5, 2018 15:30:56 GMT -5
I do, but I'm not sharing! Draft or Trade? Sorry, I have to protect my sauces!! 2hebpqr
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 15:32:46 GMT -5
I don't think he will have too many 2-3 yd gains because that will entail a stacked box & I would expect a QB of Eli's football IQ to immediately audible to a pass vs a 8-9 man box. No way you run vs a stacked box when you have 1 on 1 with OBJ lined up wide or a seam route to Engram.. That's where the play action goes into effect. So, that’s all our opponents have to do to get Eli to pass it every down? Just show 8 or 9 defenders in the box?
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Post by Bigjeep on Sept 5, 2018 15:35:25 GMT -5
I do, but I'm not sharing! Nassib? If I type it, my sauces might be revealed and, as we know on TV, all sauces are always correct!
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 5, 2018 15:39:03 GMT -5
You cannot seriously believe that we are actually a "win now" team, despite what we have heard from the FO. We won 3 games last year! Of course, nobody who knows anything about football actually believes it...but, we were told that. I think they are trying o win enough games to get the taste of a 3-13 season out of the fans mouths...that's about it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 15:42:52 GMT -5
Of course, nobody who knows anything about football actually believes it...but, we were told that. I think they are trying o win enough games to get the taste of a 3-13 season out of the fans mouths...that's about it So, we passed on our quarterback of the future for a 6-10 season in 2018...brilliant!
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 5, 2018 15:45:21 GMT -5
33-47 since 2013 & no one thinks that a lot of that record is due to us not having a run game & putrid OL play? Especially the last 3 yrs where our RBs have a grand total of 17 rushing TDs! 17 TDs in the last 48 games on the ground! No NFL team is gonna succeed with that putrid stat.
The Giants have not had a balanced attack since 2012 which coincidently is the last yr we had a 1000yd rusher in AB & finished #6 in O with almost 27ppg, 18 TDs on the ground & a 4.6ypc avg & were 8-5 with a great shot at the playoffs until they shit the bed with piss poor outings vs Atl/Balt losing by a combined 67-14 score to them to just miss out with a 9-7 record & finishing 1 game behind the Skins.
This team makes the playoffs this yr if we can establish a run game that defenses have to respect. SB gives us that chance for the 1st time in 6yrs.
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 5, 2018 15:46:00 GMT -5
I think they are trying o win enough games to get the taste of a 3-13 season out of the fans mouths...that's about it So, we passed on our quarterback of the future for a 6-10 season in 2018...brilliant! You assume that they felt like any of them were actually our QB of the future.
I do not.
But for the sake of the point, if they did feel that way about one of them, and passed on him, that would be a huge mistake
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 15:52:09 GMT -5
33-47 since 2013 & no one thinks that a lot of that record is due to us not having a run game & putrid OL play? Especially the last 3 yrs where our RBs have a grand total of 17 rushing TDs! 17 TDs in the last 48 games on the ground! No NFL team is gonna succeed with that putrid stat. The Giants have not had a balanced attack since 2012 which coincidently is the last yr we had a 1000yd rusher in AB & finished #6 in O with almost 27ppg, 18 TDs on the ground & a 4.6ypc avg & were 8-5 with a great shot at the playoffs until they shit the bed with piss poor outings vs Atl/Balt losing by a combined 67-14 score to them to just miss out with a 9-7 record & finishing 1 game behind the Skins. This team makes the playoffs this yr if we can establish a run game that defenses have to respect. SB gives us that chance for the 1st time in 6yrs. The difference between 3-13 and 12-4 isn't a running game.
And BTW...Our running game is going to be determined mostly by the play of our O line. And we still have a lot of work to do there. Look at evryone from LG to RT. Every one is a question mark. A rookie at LG, and huge ? at center. A career back up at RG and a failed LT at RT. Do you think we've transformed ourselves? Plus I think we have far less depth than last year.
We better be able to throw and Eli better be a lot better in the pocket, because he IS going to get rushed and he IS going to be hit.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 5, 2018 15:55:47 GMT -5
Which supports the idea that he wasn't a favorite to win the back-up job.
I'm expecting to see what we've seen against the Jets. I expect Eli to spread the ball around. I expect Barkley to be threat in and out of the back-field, along with 13, 87 and 88. I think our offense will be fun to watch.
Defensively I think we will be stout against the run. Against the pass I'm a bit more concerned, but I'm looking forward to an attacking style of defense.
Injuries are key as I see it. I think we are going to surprise people - including ourselves.
All of our eggs are in the "Saquon is going to vastly improve our offense" basket. He seems a phenom, but what if it just doesn't play out that way? This is the thought I keep coming back to. If that happens, firstly we aren't going to be very good. Secondly this MB will probably explode. You can take that approach with any player can’t you? With all the talent we have amassed at the skill positions and the improvements we made to the line, why shouldn’t this team be better? As P-Dot pointed out recently, we are an unknown and that certainly can play to our advantage early in the season. And since we are an unknown, I’m not going to take a glass half empty approach before the season has begun.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 5, 2018 16:02:44 GMT -5
Of course, nobody who knows anything about football actually believes it...but, we were told that. I think they are trying o win enough games to get the taste of a 3-13 season out of the fans mouths...that's about it You can not possibly think that.
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 5, 2018 16:20:45 GMT -5
I'll be looking for all of you "gloom & doom" sayers predicting 6-10 or worse for this team. Gonna be fun watching you all jump back on the bandwagon when the team proves you wrong & is contending for the playoffs all yr. 10-6 or 11-5 baby!
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Post by Helmet on Sept 5, 2018 16:38:04 GMT -5
Look at the bright side, we might go 3-13 again and get the #2 pick in the draft again... and pass on another QB...
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 5, 2018 16:41:57 GMT -5
I think they are trying o win enough games to get the taste of a 3-13 season out of the fans mouths...that's about it You can not possibly think that. At this point...I do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 16:46:53 GMT -5
33-47 since 2013 & no one thinks that a lot of that record is due to us not having a run game & putrid OL play? Especially the last 3 yrs where our RBs have a grand total of 17 rushing TDs! 17 TDs in the last 48 games on the ground! No NFL team is gonna succeed with that putrid stat. The Giants have not had a balanced attack since 2012 which coincidently is the last yr we had a 1000yd rusher in AB & finished #6 in O with almost 27ppg, 18 TDs on the ground & a 4.6ypc avg & were 8-5 with a great shot at the playoffs until they shit the bed with piss poor outings vs Atl/Balt losing by a combined 67-14 score to them to just miss out with a 9-7 record & finishing 1 game behind the Skins. This team makes the playoffs this yr if we can establish a run game that defenses have to respect. SB gives us that chance for the 1st time in 6yrs. It's all systemic and holistic. We've had below average play from our OL, defense as a whole (except the 2016 anomaly), QB, RB, WRs (except Beckham), TEs (until Engrem was drafted), special teams, coaching, etc... It's really hard to point to one or two facets and say that it/they were the problem. Likewise Barkley may be the next coming of god for all we know, but if our OL continues to struggle to run block, Eli and the receivers don't take advantage of what's given to them, our defense doesn't get off the field or our defense doesn't protect/give us a lead... then Barkley more than likely won't be a game changer either.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 5, 2018 16:52:57 GMT -5
I think they are trying o win enough games to get the taste of a 3-13 season out of the fans mouths...that's about it You can not possibly think that. I do. I think they're selling improvement and calling it win now to appease fans, particularly season ticket holders, buy time, quiet the Manning acolytes and keep a media driven QB controversy from becoming an every week story. The team very likely won't be playoff bound so every week would have been a QB media craze. No obvious heir apparent, no weekly press conference about when he's getting the ball. The only indication that it is not an announced rebuild is that no QB was drafted, perhaps because they didn't believe in any of them. Either way the team has to be rebuilt completely which will take years given the crap roster and lack of depth. So it should start rounding into shape just as the lockout comes.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 5, 2018 17:07:56 GMT -5
All of our eggs are in the "Saquon is going to vastly improve our offense" basket. He seems a phenom, but what if it just doesn't play out that way? This is the thought I keep coming back to. If that happens, firstly we aren't going to be very good. Secondly this MB will probably explode. You can take that approach with any player can’t you? With all the talent we have amassed at the skill positions and the improvements we made to the line, why shouldn’t this team be better? As P-Dot pointed out recently, we are an unknown and that certainly can play to our advantage early in the season. And since we are an unknown, I’m not going to take a glass half empty approach before the season has begun. Normally I am a realist with a optimistic slant. I don't know what's going on right now, I gotta shake out of it.
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Post by desertash on Sept 5, 2018 17:11:29 GMT -5
So...if...<fill-in-the-blank-starting-QB?...goes down with an injury.
Seriously. Hoss Foles
Morrall Staubach Mr. Cannonball Run
Each were considered starters or near... How do all NFL teams keep such on a roster...or is the pool even that deep (obvious no)
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Post by BigBlue58 on Sept 5, 2018 17:14:36 GMT -5
We have a skinny little QB from Richmond who lacks arm strength and has never seen true game action....and Alex Tanney. While Lauletta has potential, he is absolutely nowhere near ready to play in the NFL if Eli goes down in week 1. This alone should've been reason enough to keep Webb. Amazing how so many other teams have serviceable/solid QBs as backups and yet all we have is a rookie with clear development needs. The season is literally over if Eli goes down. If Eli gets hurt we run the risk of going 3-13.
Oh wait!
Ouch and touché !!!
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Post by BigBlue58 on Sept 5, 2018 17:22:56 GMT -5
If Eli gets hurt, then we get to see the backup QB .....duh !!! You never know.....Simms went down and Hoss won a SB .......Drew Bledsoe got hurt and Tom Brady was born. Stranger things have happened!!
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 5, 2018 17:30:29 GMT -5
We had Geno and Davis last season, and Nassib before...so if Eli went down the season would be shot anyway
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 17:38:06 GMT -5
I'll be looking for all of you "gloom & doom" sayers predicting 6-10 or worse for this team. Gonna be fun watching you all jump back on the bandwagon when the team proves you wrong & is contending for the playoffs all yr. 10-6 or 11-5 baby! I live on the Giants bandwagon...and have since 1967. But I don't do it with blinders on. I just keep my expectations reasonable and try to enjoy my team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 17:39:24 GMT -5
We have a skinny little QB from Richmond who lacks arm strength and has never seen true game action....and Alex Tanney. While Lauletta has potential, he is absolutely nowhere near ready to play in the NFL if Eli goes down in week 1. This alone should've been reason enough to keep Webb. Amazing how so many other teams have serviceable/solid QBs as backups and yet all we have is a rookie with clear development needs. The season is literally over if Eli goes down. How is this any different than the past 10-12 years?
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 17:42:33 GMT -5
We have a skinny little QB from Richmond who lacks arm strength and has never seen true game action....and Alex Tanney. While Lauletta has potential, he is absolutely nowhere near ready to play in the NFL if Eli goes down in week 1. This alone should've been reason enough to keep Webb. Amazing how so many other teams have serviceable/solid QBs as backups and yet all we have is a rookie with clear development needs. The season is literally over if Eli goes down. How is this any different than the past 10-12 years? The great thing about you showing up is I feel like an eternal optimist when you're around.
Einstien's theory of general relativity in practice.
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Post by TEM on Sept 5, 2018 17:46:53 GMT -5
I’m going to go way out on a limb and trust Pat Shurmur with this one. People are so quick to forget that Shurmur made it very clear early on that there was no depth chart behind Eli. Now everyone just assumes it was Webb’s job to backup Eli. Here’s the reality. It was only Webb’s job in your mind. Everyone ripped the team last year for not giving Webb a chance when the season became a lost cause. This new regime gave him every opportunity to win the #2 job, and he didn’t. Time to move on. When the FO signed Tammey. Webb should have done a head count 1 starter 1 career backup 2 development projects . One of these 3 numbers do not match the other 2 . That is simple math to do. Apparently that did not raise a flag in his head.
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Post by DonnieYen on Sept 5, 2018 17:49:35 GMT -5
We have a skinny little QB from Richmond who lacks arm strength and has never seen true game action....and Alex Tanney. While Lauletta has potential, he is absolutely nowhere near ready to play in the NFL if Eli goes down in week 1. This alone should've been reason enough to keep Webb. Amazing how so many other teams have serviceable/solid QBs as backups and yet all we have is a rookie with clear development needs. The season is literally over if Eli goes down. Webb wasn't the answer in a situation like this Lauletta will do just fine. Butt newsflash here If most teams Franchise QB's went down with season ending surgery most teams would be screwed. To down grade the Giants because of there back up QB Is kind of ridiculous.
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 5, 2018 17:49:37 GMT -5
I'll be looking for all of you "gloom & doom" sayers predicting 6-10 or worse for this team. Gonna be fun watching you all jump back on the bandwagon when the team proves you wrong & is contending for the playoffs all yr. 10-6 or 11-5 baby! I live on the Giants bandwagon...and have since 1967. But I don't do it with blinders on. I just keep my expectations reasonable and try to enjoy my team.
You got me by 10yrs, been a Giants fan since 77'. Had NY drafted a QB this yr #1 & not improved the running game by getting a better RB than what we've had the past 5 yrs, my optimism for this yr would be guarded & in the 7-9 range, #1 because the new QB would have been languishing on the sidelines holding a clipboard for 2 maybe 3 yrs as long as Eli was effective. #2 Our run game would probably have been bottom 10 again due to them probably drafting Hernandez #2 anyway & Carter #3, so we were gonna get that game changing 1000yd rusher in rd 4 or 5?
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 18:01:51 GMT -5
I live on the Giants bandwagon...and have since 1967. But I don't do it with blinders on. I just keep my expectations reasonable and try to enjoy my team.
You got me by 10yrs, been a Giants fan since 77'. Had NY drafted a QB this yr #1 & not improved the running game by getting a better RB than what we've had the past 5 yrs, my optimism for this yr would be guarded & in the 7-9 range, #1 because the new QB would have been languishing on the sidelines holding a clipboard for 2 maybe 3 yrs as long as Eli was effective. #2 Our run game would probably have been bottom 10 again due to them probably drafting Hernandez #2 anyway & Carter #3, so we were gonna get that game changing 1000yd rusher in rd 4 or 5? Yes I think we could have gotten that in later rounds but thats spilled milk. Both Kamara and Hunt came from RD 3. I get your point about the running game but there are so many problems to address with this team. I still don't see where the pass rush is coming from and I see huge question marks regarding the O line. Our two best O linemen last year, Fluker and Jones are gone. It's SO uncertain right now. New schemes, tons of new players, new coaches...... Man this team has a lot of questions right now. Far more of those than answers my friend. At least that's what I see.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 18:32:40 GMT -5
We have a skinny little QB from Richmond who lacks arm strength and has never seen true game action....and Alex Tanney. While Lauletta has potential, he is absolutely nowhere near ready to play in the NFL if Eli goes down in week 1. This alone should've been reason enough to keep Webb. Amazing how so many other teams have serviceable/solid QBs as backups and yet all we have is a rookie with clear development needs. The season is literally over if Eli goes down. Webb wasn't the answer in a situation like this Lauletta will do just fine. Butt newsflash here If most teams Franchise QB's went down with season ending surgery most teams would be screwed. To down grade the Giants because of there back up QB Is kind of ridiculous. goo.gl/images/6CxTa1
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