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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 18:46:29 GMT -5
I live on the Giants bandwagon...and have since 1967. But I don't do it with blinders on. I just keep my expectations reasonable and try to enjoy my team.
Just pointing out fact, ..there was no one jumping onto a NY Giants "bandwagon" in the 60's or 70's ! Yes they were that bad.   I always thought I would find a pony under that pile of sh**t. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 18:51:21 GMT -5
We have a skinny little QB from Richmond who lacks arm strength and has never seen true game action....and Alex Tanney. While Lauletta has potential, he is absolutely nowhere near ready to play in the NFL if Eli goes down in week 1. This alone should've been reason enough to keep Webb. Amazing how so many other teams have serviceable/solid QBs as backups and yet all we have is a rookie with clear development needs. The season is literally over if Eli goes down. If Eli gets hurt we run the risk of going 3-13.
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 5, 2018 18:51:35 GMT -5
I live on the Giants bandwagon...and have since 1967. But I don't do it with blinders on. I just keep my expectations reasonable and try to enjoy my team.
Just pointing out fact, ..there was no one jumping onto a NY Giants "bandwagon" in the 60's or 70's ! Yes they were that bad. Very true. I highly doubt that MH was going into any of the 70s seasons thinking the Giants were gonna beat Dallas for the NFCE title or that we had QBs that could rival Roger Staubach. I think the Giants D was decent more often than their anemic offense of the 70s. Having Norman Snead, Craig Morton & the legendary Joe Pisarcik must not have filled too many Giants fan with hope going into those seasons. Had to wait till 79' for Simms to arrive & even then, they stupidly had him battling it out with Scott Brunner for 5yrs. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 18:55:43 GMT -5
Just pointing out fact, ..there was no one jumping onto a NY Giants "bandwagon" in the 60's or 70's ! Yes they were that bad. Very true. I highly doubt that MH was going into any of the 70s seasons thinking the Giants were gonna beat Dallas for the NFCE title or that we had QBs that could rival Roger Staubach. I think the Giants D was decent more often than their anemic offense of the 70s. Having Norman Snead, Craig Morton & the legendary Joe Pisarcik must not have filled too many Giants fan with hope going into those seasons. Had to wait till 79' for Simms to arrive & even then, they stupidly had him battling it out with Scott Brunner for 5yrs. Had a good team in 1970. Friggin bad call at the end of the Saints game, week 3. Won 6 in a row after losing the first three. All we had to do was beat the Rams the last game and laid an egg instead. 72 was a decent team too. Then it went black.
The key is to keep expectation low for wins and losses. just try to enjoy your team. I guess that's what I learned from that era. That is especially true this coming season. We could be decent but as far as I'm concerned, that'll be a bonus.
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 5, 2018 19:05:32 GMT -5
I didn't bring up 70'-72 cuz the Giants had Tarkenton then so they were a good team those 2 yrs, like you said, had a shot at the playoffs but blew the Rams game. But the yrs after Tark were Gawd awful! What makes trading Tark away even worse was that the Giants gave up a shitload of #1s & 2s for him. And the pick they gave up for Morton from Dallas was used by Dallas to draft Randy White!
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 19:13:51 GMT -5
I didn't bring up 70'-72 cuz the Giants had Tarkenton then so they were a good team those 2 yrs, like you said, had a shot at the playoffs but blew the Rams game. But the yrs after Tark were Gawd awful! What makes trading Tark away even worse was that the Giants gave up a shitload of #1s & 2s for him. And the pick they gave up for Morton from Dallas was used by Dallas to draft Randy White! OK I'm not following you. They received a couple high picks with Bob Grimm as I remember. They gave up a bunch of picks for Morton.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 5, 2018 19:16:36 GMT -5
The way I look at it, we hired a guy who has to this point in his career shown he can get the best out of a QB, and that has to count for something. That's part of the reason we hired him, I'm sure.
I would like to think that he has more of an eye for what QB talent will translate to success in the NFL and what won't. It's similar to when EA said Eli has a magic quality about him. Maybe Shurmur has a little of that feeling about Lauletta....
Plus he was involved in drafting him too.......
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 19:36:45 GMT -5
The way I look at it, we hired a guy who has to this point in his career shown he can get the best out of a QB, and that has to count for something. That's part of the reason we hired him, I'm sure. I would like to think that he has more of an eye for what QB talent will translate to success in the NFL and what won't. It's similar to when EA said Eli has a magic quality about him. Maybe Shurmur has a little of that feeling about Lauletta.... Plus he was involved in drafting him too....... I don't think it was Shurmer who made this decision. I think it was Gettleman. Listening to Shurmer step on his words as he tried to explain the reasoning for the decision was a tip off.
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 5, 2018 19:52:14 GMT -5
The way I look at it, we hired a guy who has to this point in his career shown he can get the best out of a QB, and that has to count for something. That's part of the reason we hired him, I'm sure. I would like to think that he has more of an eye for what QB talent will translate to success in the NFL and what won't. It's similar to when EA said Eli has a magic quality about him. Maybe Shurmur has a little of that feeling about Lauletta.... Plus he was involved in drafting him too....... I don't think it was Shurmer who made this decision. I think it was Gettleman. Listening to Shurmer step on his words as he tried to explain the reasoning for the decision was a tip off.
Are you really so sure about this? Maybe he was stepping on his words as you put it because while he knows this needed to be done he is a decent human being and was wearing his emotions on his sleeve a bit because he understands that these young men give their blood sweat and tears in an effort to succeed in the NFL with the possibly of their dream come crashing down before them if they were to be cut... |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 19:59:35 GMT -5
I don't think it was Shurmer who made this decision. I think it was Gettleman. Listening to Shurmer step on his words as he tried to explain the reasoning for the decision was a tip off.
Are you really so sure about this? Maybe he was stepping on his words as you put it because while he knows this needed to be done he is a decent human being and was wearing his emotions on his sleeve a bit because he understands that these young men give their blood sweat and tears in an effort to succeed in the NFL with the possibly of their dream come crashing down before them if they were to be cut... No...I'm not sure at all. But I'm giving Shurmer the benefit of the doubt. I think he's a reasonable guy, and as you say.....a good guy. . Gettleman seems like a bit of an arrogant guy who would want to purge JR players from his team.
My point is that Shurmer had no real reason for the decision. I think it's because he didn't make it.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 5, 2018 20:17:24 GMT -5
Are you really so sure about this? Maybe he was stepping on his words as you put it because while he knows this needed to be done he is a decent human being and was wearing his emotions on his sleeve a bit because he understands that these young men give their blood sweat and tears in an effort to succeed in the NFL with the possibly of their dream come crashing down before them if they were to be cut... No...I'm not sure at all. But I'm giving Shurmer the benefit of the doubt. I think he's a reasonable guy, and as you say.....a good guy. . Gettleman seems like a bit of an arrogant guy who would want to purge JR players from his team.
My point is that Shurmer had no real reason for the decision. I think it's because he didn't make it.
You probably right, but I still think Shurmur had some say in it. He is the one who has to coach him and his success could be tied to him at some point as well. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 20:26:13 GMT -5
No...I'm not sure at all. But I'm giving Shurmer the benefit of the doubt. I think he's a reasonable guy, and as you say.....a good guy. . Gettleman seems like a bit of an arrogant guy who would want to purge JR players from his team.
My point is that Shurmer had no real reason for the decision. I think it's because he didn't make it.
You probably right, but I still think Shurmur had some say in it. He is the one who has to coach him and his success could be tied to him at some point as well. Yeah in theory you're probably right. I just get the sense that Gettleman is getting rid of every JR guy he can. I mean keeping Tanney over Webb makes no sense. Dumping Brent Jones. Dumping Okwara, etc.....
We aren't going to be able to tell the players without a program for God's sake. Our roster has a bunch of new scrubs, many of whom weren't even in camp.
I just don't like what's going on here. It seems that the priorities are being driven as much or more by Gettleman's ego than football. I'm sure in his mind he's doing the right thing of course...it just seems pretty ugly right now.
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 5, 2018 20:31:49 GMT -5
Are you really so sure about this? Maybe he was stepping on his words as you put it because while he knows this needed to be done he is a decent human being and was wearing his emotions on his sleeve a bit because he understands that these young men give their blood sweat and tears in an effort to succeed in the NFL with the possibly of their dream come crashing down before them if they were to be cut... No...I'm not sure at all. But I'm giving Shurmer the benefit of the doubt. I think he's a reasonable guy, and as you say.....a good guy. . Gettleman seems like a bit of an arrogant guy who would want to purge JR players from his team.
My point is that Shurmer had no real reason for the decision. I think it's because he didn't make it.
Let's just say that Gettleman is a strong personality but not understanding how Schurmur had no real reason to make the decision? Don't you think that DG discussed this with Coach Schurmur to get his input? There was no way that we were keeping 4 QBs. Schurmur said himself that he wanted a veteran presence in one of the backups. Tanney is that veteran presence and Davis Webb was the odd man out. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 20:36:48 GMT -5
No...I'm not sure at all. But I'm giving Shurmer the benefit of the doubt. I think he's a reasonable guy, and as you say.....a good guy. . Gettleman seems like a bit of an arrogant guy who would want to purge JR players from his team.
My point is that Shurmer had no real reason for the decision. I think it's because he didn't make it.
Let's just say that Gettleman is a strong personality but not understanding how Schurmur had no real reason to make the decision? Don't you think that DG discussed this with Coach Schurmur to get his input? There was no way that we were keeping 4 QBs. Schurmur said himself that he wanted a veteran presence in one of the backups. Tanney is that veteran presence and Davis Webb was the odd man out. This portraying Tanney as a "veteran" is silly. He's thrown 14 passes in this league in 6 years. He may be a veteran, but it's not of football.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 20:37:07 GMT -5
No...I'm not sure at all. But I'm giving Shurmer the benefit of the doubt. I think he's a reasonable guy, and as you say.....a good guy. . Gettleman seems like a bit of an arrogant guy who would want to purge JR players from his team.
My point is that Shurmer had no real reason for the decision. I think it's because he didn't make it.
Let's just say that Gettleman is a strong personality but not understanding how Schurmur had no real reason to make the decision? Don't you think that DG discussed this with Coach Schurmur to get his input? There was no way that we were keeping 4 QBs. Schurmur said himself that he wanted a veteran presence in one of the backups. Tanney is that veteran presence and Davis Webb was the odd man out. Yeah but it reeks of having been decided from the get go. I think Gettleman probably had no intention of keeping Webb and probably worked it out with coach to give Davis a bunch of time in pre-season and camp to hopefully drum up enough value to be traded. Eli didnt need the reps and they’re playing the long game with Lauletta. Tanney is a throw away. I think had Webb come out and looked like an Ace he still would have been gone, just traded rather than cut. He wasn’t in the GMs plans |
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 5, 2018 20:37:52 GMT -5
Let's just say that Gettleman is a strong personality but not understanding how Schurmur had no real reason to make the decision? Don't you think that DG discussed this with Coach Schurmur to get his input? There was no way that we were keeping 4 QBs. Schurmur said himself that he wanted a veteran presence in one of the backups. Tanney is that veteran presence and Davis Webb was the odd man out. This portraying Tanney as a "veteran" is silly. He's thrown 14 passes in this league in 6 years. He may be a veteran, but it's not of football.
I get your point but he is more of a veteran than Webb is. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 20:39:16 GMT -5
This portraying Tanney as a "veteran" is silly. He's thrown 14 passes in this league in 6 years. He may be a veteran, but it's not of football.
I get your point but he is more of a veteran than Webb is. Ryan Nassib has completed more passes in the NFL than this guy. |
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 5, 2018 20:44:38 GMT -5
I get your point but he is more of a veteran than Webb is. Ryan Nassib has completed more passes in the NFL than this guy. Nassib is not on the team any longer Tanney is. I'm not saying that I'm thrilled that Tanney is the backup. It is what it is. If Tanney has to play this season we will be in deep shit anyway. |
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Post by coughlinscorner on Sept 5, 2018 20:47:01 GMT -5
I get your point but he is more of a veteran than Webb is. Ryan Nassib has completed more passes in the NFL than this guy. Coincidentally, Ryan Nassib was Webb's ceiling as a player. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 5, 2018 21:49:08 GMT -5
No...I'm not sure at all. But I'm giving Shurmer the benefit of the doubt. I think he's a reasonable guy, and as you say.....a good guy. . Gettleman seems like a bit of an arrogant guy who would want to purge JR players from his team.
My point is that Shurmer had no real reason for the decision. I think it's because he didn't make it.
Let's just say that Gettleman is a strong personality but not understanding how Schurmur had no real reason to make the decision? Don't you think that DG discussed this with Coach Schurmur to get his input? There was no way that we were keeping 4 QBs. Schurmur said himself that he wanted a veteran presence in one of the backups. Tanney is that veteran presence and Davis Webb was the odd man out. I liked Webb a lot but he is out more likely because the coach felt lauletta had more upside, it's funny how a lot of people discount this kid like he's notthing,think when these cuts come it's the coaches who recommend who stays and who goes. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 21:54:06 GMT -5
Ryan Nassib has completed more passes in the NFL than this guy. Nassib is not on the team any longer Tanney is. I'm not saying that I'm thrilled that Tanney is the backup. It is what it is. If Tanney has to play this season we will be in deep shit anyway. It's just the nonsense that Tanney is a "veteran NFL QB".
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 5, 2018 21:55:46 GMT -5
Let's just say that Gettleman is a strong personality but not understanding how Schurmur had no real reason to make the decision? Don't you think that DG discussed this with Coach Schurmur to get his input? There was no way that we were keeping 4 QBs. Schurmur said himself that he wanted a veteran presence in one of the backups. Tanney is that veteran presence and Davis Webb was the odd man out. I liked Webb a lot but he is out more likely because the coach felt lauletta had more upside, it's funny how a lot of people discount this kid like he's notthing,think when these cuts come it's the coaches who recommend who stays and who goes. I agree... |
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 5, 2018 21:58:09 GMT -5
Nassib is not on the team any longer Tanney is. I'm not saying that I'm thrilled that Tanney is the backup. It is what it is. If Tanney has to play this season we will be in deep shit anyway. It's just the nonsense that Tanney is a "veteran NFL QB".
So Tanney technically not being a "veteran QB" is what's bothering you? |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 21:59:41 GMT -5
Let's just say that Gettleman is a strong personality but not understanding how Schurmur had no real reason to make the decision? Don't you think that DG discussed this with Coach Schurmur to get his input? There was no way that we were keeping 4 QBs. Schurmur said himself that he wanted a veteran presence in one of the backups. Tanney is that veteran presence and Davis Webb was the odd man out. I liked Webb a lot but he is out more likely because the coach felt lauletta had more upside, it's funny how a lot of people discount this kid like he's notthing,think when these cuts come it's the coaches who recommend who stays and who goes. I don't know why you guys keep saying this. It's not about Lauletta. he was making the team regardless.
They cast off Webb for Alex Tanney.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 22:00:14 GMT -5
No...I'm not sure at all. But I'm giving Shurmer the benefit of the doubt. I think he's a reasonable guy, and as you say.....a good guy. . Gettleman seems like a bit of an arrogant guy who would want to purge JR players from his team.
My point is that Shurmer had no real reason for the decision. I think it's because he didn't make it.
Let's just say that Gettleman is a strong personality but not understanding how Schurmur had no real reason to make the decision? Don't you think that DG discussed this with Coach Schurmur to get his input? There was no way that we were keeping 4 QBs. Schurmur said himself that he wanted a veteran presence in one of the backups. Tanney is that veteran presence and Davis Webb was the odd man out. One man’s “strong personality” is another man’s “egomaniac”. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 22:01:32 GMT -5
It's just the nonsense that Tanney is a "veteran NFL QB".
So Tanney technically not being a "veteran QB" is what's bothering you? It's the BS that Shurmer tried to pass as a reason. The reason was that Gettleman wanted Webb off the team. Tanney being a "veteran" (Oh my God it's hard to read that without laughing) had nothing to do with it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 5, 2018 22:02:24 GMT -5
I liked Webb a lot but he is out more likely because the coach felt lauletta had more upside, it's funny how a lot of people discount this kid like he's notthing,think when these cuts come it's the coaches who recommend who stays and who goes. I agree... Just saying the GM isn't on the field coaching and evaluating talent the guys that JR picked that can play are going no where. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 5, 2018 22:05:01 GMT -5
I liked Webb a lot but he is out more likely because the coach felt lauletta had more upside, it's funny how a lot of people discount this kid like he's notthing,think when these cuts come it's the coaches who recommend who stays and who goes. I don't know why you guys keep saying this. It's not about Lauletta. he was making the team regardless.
They cast off Webb for Alex Tanney.
I might be wrong but to me they were going to keep one guy to develop and wanted as the coach said a vet backup, might be lip service but I believe him. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 22:10:41 GMT -5
I don't know why you guys keep saying this. It's not about Lauletta. he was making the team regardless.
They cast off Webb for Alex Tanney.
I might be wrong but to me they were going to keep one guy to develop and wanted as the coach said a vet backup, might be lip service but I believe him. That seems to be the new line. But I don't buy it. No one evr claimed that here. Not that it matters much of course but no beat reporter was suggesting that drafting Lauletta was the end of Webb. We had guys here who claimed Webb was the heir apparent as recently as last week. They even claimed that was the reason they didn't draft a QB at #2.
Now they are making up this new fairy tale about "only keeping one developemental QB"
Where is that coming from? If Webb was the only one then it might have more weight. But DG has been purging JR guys all along.
It appears to me now that Webb was gone the day that Gettleman took the job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 22:17:16 GMT -5
Just saying the GM isn't on the field coaching and evaluating talent the guys that JR picked that can play are going no where. But the GM is the final decision maker. That’s why so many coaches try to wrestle away GM duties when hired. |
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