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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 5, 2018 22:20:15 GMT -5
I might be wrong but to me they were going to keep one guy to develop and wanted as the coach said a vet backup, might be lip service but I believe him. That seems to be the new line. But I don't buy it. No one evr claimed that here. Not that it matters much of course but no beat reporter was suggesting that drafting Lauletta was the end of Webb. We had guys here who claimed Webb was the heir apparent as recently as last week. They even claimed that was the reason they didn't draft a QB at #2.
Now they are making up this new fairy tale about "only keeping one developemental QB"
Where is that coming from? If Webb was the only one then it might have more weight. But DG has been purging JR guys all along.
It appears to me now that Webb was gone the day that Gettleman took the job.
I think if Webb tossed it around the yard at 65% clip and a few TDs he would still be here,I think PS and DG are cleaning out a 3-13 roster the guys that can play are going no where,I just can't argue with letting guys like Pugh and Richberg go, Kennard got good money for a part time LB I respect where your coming from but all these guys had a good long trial period and they failed, maybe they will be better off now that they moved on maybe not but it was time for them to leave here.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 5, 2018 22:24:07 GMT -5
That seems to be the new line. But I don't buy it. No one evr claimed that here. Not that it matters much of course but no beat reporter was suggesting that drafting Lauletta was the end of Webb. We had guys here who claimed Webb was the heir apparent as recently as last week. They even claimed that was the reason they didn't draft a QB at #2.
Now they are making up this new fairy tale about "only keeping one developemental QB"
Where is that coming from? If Webb was the only one then it might have more weight. But DG has been purging JR guys all along.
It appears to me now that Webb was gone the day that Gettleman took the job.
I think if Webb tossed it around the yard at 65% clip and a few TDs he would still be here,I think PS and DG are cleaning out a 3-13 roster the guys that can play are going no where,I just can't argue with letting guys like Pugh and Richberg go, Kennard got good money for a part time LB I respect where your coming from but all these guys had a good long trial period and they failed, maybe they will be better off now that they moved on maybe not but it was time for them to leave here. Kennard didn't fail at all. he was a good player. And Jones was our best O lineman last year. the running game picked up a lot when he got in there. And Fluker was our second best. So guess which two guys are off the team. And for who? A back up guard from Jax and some "guy" at center.
And the only reason Flowers is there is his contract. I see the LT position being the only upgrade on the O line.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 5, 2018 22:39:12 GMT -5
I think if Webb tossed it around the yard at 65% clip and a few TDs he would still be here,I think PS and DG are cleaning out a 3-13 roster the guys that can play are going no where,I just can't argue with letting guys like Pugh and Richberg go, Kennard got good money for a part time LB I respect where your coming from but all these guys had a good long trial period and they failed, maybe they will be better off now that they moved on maybe not but it was time for them to leave here. Kennard didn't fail at all. he was a good player. And Jones was our best O lineman last year. the running game picked up a lot when he got in there. And Fluker was our second best. So guess which two guys are off the team. And for who? A back up guard from Jax and some "guy" at center.
And the only reason Flowers is there is his contract. I see the LT position being the only upgrade on the O line.
Kennard didn't get as many snaps last year for what ever reason he will have a chance to shine in the motor city,I do think for the money I would take Martin tho I liked Jones a lot ,I wish they found a taker for Flowers he should be gone, think as they get a few drafts under their belts we will see a bigger OL kind of like what TC and the Jags are doing on both sides of the ball Omameh started at left guard in J ville Norwell took his job,Hernandez might have some growing pains but in the preseason he was more then solid for a rookie it's not PS or DGs fault they had to build almost a whole OL,the teams been bad for far to long and starts with the OL that hasn't produced in 6 years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 22:45:53 GMT -5
So, we passed on our quarterback of the future for a 6-10 season in 2018...brilliant! LOL, .....and what QB was that, exactly, which QB was that??? Chosen Rosen
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 5, 2018 22:46:12 GMT -5
Hernandez was projected as a #1 pick by some in the draft, that he was there for us to snag #2 was great. To say that the only upgrade on the OL was at LT is just not true. The OL may not be the equal of Dallas OL but the most important part of it has been upgraded, Eli's blindside. I bet he will be way more confident knowing the human turnstile is no longer watching his 6 & is instead in his field of view. I read somewhere that Flowers has allowed close to 200 QB pressures since he came into the league. It's no wonder Eli's internal clock is all discombobulated. He was hearing footsteps when there were none & chucking that ball outta pure fear of getting blindsided.
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Post by Speedman on Sept 6, 2018 3:13:21 GMT -5
Let's just say that Gettleman is a strong personality but not understanding how Schurmur had no real reason to make the decision? Don't you think that DG discussed this with Coach Schurmur to get his input? There was no way that we were keeping 4 QBs. Schurmur said himself that he wanted a veteran presence in one of the backups. Tanney is that veteran presence and Davis Webb was the odd man out. This portraying Tanney as a "veteran" is silly. He's thrown 14 passes in this league in 6 years. He may be a veteran, but it's not of football.
Tanney is a waste of a roster space.
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 6, 2018 4:44:06 GMT -5
This portraying Tanney as a "veteran" is silly. He's thrown 14 passes in this league in 6 years. He may be a veteran, but it's not of football.
Tanney is a waste of a roster space. True and the FO doesn't worry about keeping a top tier backup because of Eli's durability. I'm not saying that I totally agree with that approach but it is what it is.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 6:56:04 GMT -5
Hernandez was projected as a #1 pick by some in the draft, that he was there for us to snag #2 was great. To say that the only upgrade on the OL was at LT is just not true. The OL may not be the equal of Dallas OL but the most important part of it has been upgraded, Eli's blindside. I bet he will be way more confident knowing the human turnstile is no longer watching his 6 & is instead in his field of view. I read somewhere that Flowers has allowed close to 200 QB pressures since he came into the league. It's no wonder Eli's internal clock is all discombobulated. He was hearing footsteps when there were none & chucking that ball outta pure fear of getting blindsided. Odiggy was projected as a 1st round pick a few years ago. Davis Webb was projected as an early 2nd rounder.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 7:05:15 GMT -5
That is your choice what was Bronxpinstripes choice? As I remember he was on both Darnold and Rosen. I was Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold myself. Obviously Mayfield was gone.
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Post by Speedman on Sept 6, 2018 7:12:49 GMT -5
That is your choice what was Bronxpinstripes choice? I think it was Josh Allen.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 7:16:32 GMT -5
That is your choice what was Bronxpinstripes choice? I think it was Josh Allen. Was it? That's interesting.
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Post by Speedman on Sept 6, 2018 7:25:42 GMT -5
I think it was Josh Allen. Was it? That's interesting. I were to pick a QB I would have taken Allen also. Rosen is better but his concussions turned me away.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 7:30:42 GMT -5
Was it? That's interesting. I were to pick a QB I would have taken Allen also. Rosen is better but his concussions turned me away. Well Rosen was my 2nd choice. the injuries didn't bother me.
I wanted Mayfield. I get why the Browns took him. I think Mayfield, Rosen and Darnold are all going to be solid NFL starting QB's.
Not sure about Allen.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 7:42:13 GMT -5
Just trying to point out that many fans that wanted a QB still would not be happy had they picked one .Had the Giants gone that rout that player whom ever he would have been would be sitting and still have all the same questions about him as fans had about Webb.Point, people still would not be happy and fans here would still be bitching. Why would a fan not be happy if the team picked who they wanted them to pick?
That makes no sense at all. And what are you basing this claim on?
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 6, 2018 8:07:26 GMT -5
Just trying to point out that many fans that wanted a QB still would not be happy had they picked one .Had the Giants gone that rout that player whom ever he would have been would be sitting and still have all the same questions about him as fans had about Webb.Point, people still would not be happy and fans here would still be bitching. Why would a fan not be happy if the team picked who they wanted them to pick?
That makes no sense at all. And what are you basing this claim on?
Maybe he means some fans would question why a top pick QB wasn't getting certain reps, playing time, or starting - instead of Manning. Maybe that was in the F.O.s mind, too, come draft time - if they wanted to stay with Manning a few years more, without all the controversy.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 8:08:24 GMT -5
Why would a fan not be happy if the team picked who they wanted them to pick?
That makes no sense at all. And what are you basing this claim on?
MS , you are trying to hard again. Reread what I said. There were some fans that wanted a QB but not all of them wanted the same one .POINT( again) is that had the Giants grab a QB some people still would not be happy for various reasons and would still have the bitching here that we do. So you are saying....They wanted a QB but would be unhappy they drafted a QB. (because it might not be the one they wanted?)
Is this the point your making? Seems unfounded and not based on logic.
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 6, 2018 8:16:35 GMT -5
MS , you are trying to hard again. Reread what I said. There were some fans that wanted a QB but not all of them wanted the same one .POINT( again) is that had the Giants grab a QB some people still would not be happy for various reasons and would still have the bitching here that we do. So you are saying....They wanted a QB but would be unhappy they drafted a QB. (because it might not be the one they wanted?)
Is this the point your making? Seems unfounded and not based on logic.
I wanted Mayfield, same as you (although I concede from a much less educated standpoint) Had they gotten him, I would have been looking for him to play, not sit on the bench...and I would have been unhappy each and every time he was not given an opportunity when I feel one was available.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 8:20:56 GMT -5
So you are saying....They wanted a QB but would be unhappy they drafted a QB. (because it might not be the one they wanted?)
Is this the point your making? Seems unfounded and not based on logic.
I wanted Mayfield, same as you (although I concede from a much less educated standpoint) Had they gotten him, I would have been looking for him to play, not sit on the bench...and I would have been unhappy each and every time he was not given an opportunity when I feel one was available. I would have been happy with either of the three. because of Eli's contract, I was resigned that the new guy would sit for all or most of season 1.
I think most guys who wanted a QB understood that. Our friend Big Red is simply trying to stir the pot by suggesting fans who disagree with him are obviously so foolish that they would complain about getting what they wanted.
Seems an odd position but he is free to take it.
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 6, 2018 9:41:56 GMT -5
I wanted Mayfield, same as you (although I concede from a much less educated standpoint) Had they gotten him, I would have been looking for him to play, not sit on the bench...and I would have been unhappy each and every time he was not given an opportunity when I feel one was available. I would have been happy with either of the three. because of Eli's contract, I was resigned that the new guy would sit for all or most of season 1.
I think most guys who wanted a QB understood that. Our friend Big Red is simply trying to stir the pot by suggesting fans who disagree with him are obviously so foolish that they would complain about getting what they wanted.
Seems an odd position but he is free to take it.
Well...I will agree with you that my displeasure would have been minimal.
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Post by magilla on Sept 6, 2018 10:25:37 GMT -5
It's really not an excuse when since 2013, the Giants have been a "win by the pass" 1st team due to lack of a run game. OBJ didn't amass those $95 million numbers during his 1st 3 yrs cuz the Giants were a run heavy team. If they were, he probably doesn't have 313 rec 4424 yds & 38 TDs in his 1st 44 starts. Once he went down to injury, any chance this team had of being competitive in 17' went down in flames considering we had zero run game & the entire NFL knew the game plan that coach Menu ran. If some of you wanna insist that we couldn't have won 7-8 games last yr with a healthy receiving corps, then that's on you. But that would have brought back both Coach menu & JR so in a way, last yr was a blessing. The bottom line is that we have had 4 losing seasons out of the last 5. We have some rebuilding to do. And now our QB is nearing the end of his career, and I'm not sure at all what the plan is to deal with that.
Our record over those 5 years is 33-47.
I don't know how many years Eli has left. It may be 1 year. It may be 2-3 years. It may be 5 years. Eli game play isn't dependent on an overwhelming physical dominance. Eli game play is contingent on arm strength, which he still has, decision making (remains to be seen), durability, toughness and keeping calm under pressure (which is also a question mark right now). Last but not least is Confidence; if Eli is not confidant then this team is in a heck of a lot of trouble. If the OLine and Run Game are sound, Eli should be able to perform at a high level for quite some time, IMO. Notice, I didn't 't state "ELIte" because IMO, there are only 2-3 ELIte QB in NFL and Eli isn't one of them. There are question about Eli that need to be answered in 2018 just as there are some question about other aspects of this team and coaching staff that need to be answered as well. I'm optimistic but I'm also a realist. If our OLine doesn't perform then our Offense and Eli will not do well. I think that what is often overlooked by some is that we the deep pass hasn't been a part of this Offense since Kevin Gillbride left and that is a shame because that is what Eli is Best at.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 6, 2018 10:41:36 GMT -5
The bottom line is that we have had 4 losing seasons out of the last 5. We have some rebuilding to do. And now our QB is nearing the end of his career, and I'm not sure at all what the plan is to deal with that.
Our record over those 5 years is 33-47.
I don't know how many years Eli has left. It may be 1 year. It may be 2-3 years. It may be 5 years. Eli game play isn't dependent on an overwhelming physical dominance. Eli game play is contingent on arm strength, which he still has, decision making (remains to be seen), durability, toughness and keeping calm under pressure (which is also a question mark right now). Last but not least is Confidence; if Eli is not confidant then this team is in a heck of a lot of trouble. If the OLine and Run Game are sound, Eli should be able to perform at a high level for quite some time, IMO. Notice, I didn't 't state "ELIte" because IMO, there are only 2-3 ELIte QB in NFL and Eli isn't one of them. There are question about Eli that need to be answered in 2018 just as there are some questions about other aspects of this team and coaching staff that need to be answered as well. I'm optimistic but I'm also a realist. If our OLine doesn't perform then our Offense and Eli will not do well. I think that what is often overlooked by some is that we the deep pass hasn't been a part of this Offense since Kevin Gillbride left and that is a shame because that is what Eli is Best at. Play action and the deep ball have been gone for 6 years tough way to play, that said any QB playing in a one dimensional offense is going to have issues, if Eli is protected and the team can muster enough run to get the play action game going he will perform up to his contract, we will have to see, the simple answer to the question a lot of people have about his pay is that if they draft better and keep a solid young core they should be able to pay there big ticket guys, he has three years at most left if the rookie is not the answer I can see them going year to year with him, it's a shame they couldn't keep the OL and DL up the last six years those were his prime.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 10:55:00 GMT -5
I would have been happy with either of the three. because of Eli's contract, I was resigned that the new guy would sit for all or most of season 1.
I think most guys who wanted a QB understood that. Our friend Big Red is simply trying to stir the pot by suggesting fans who disagree with him are obviously so foolish that they would complain about getting what they wanted.
Seems an odd position but he is free to take it.
No, I said nothing about myself at all.Your spin won't work. Actually you're the one who is upset people don't see things your way . You say you wanted a QB becuase of Eli's contract ...you're assuming what,Eli wouldn't play?The drafted rookie would??? How much is each one of those rookie QB's making what are their contracts I don't know but a couple will be sitting on the bench so how would that help out cap since you are concerned about Eli's contract?I suggesting the fans would complain becuase they didn't get WHO they want not what,again it's that comprehension thing with you. Simply put your Eli bias is showing. Reading comprehension? This is what you said and it seems clear. You are saying they would have been unhappy with the guy they wanted to be picked at #2 because they would have sat the first year....as if we all didn't know that.
Just trying to point out that many fans that wanted a QB still would not be happy had they picked one .Had the Giants gone that rout that player whom ever he would have been would be sitting and still have all the same questions about him as fans had about Webb.Point, people still would not be happy and fans here would still be bitching.
Jeez...Read your own posts before you start talking about reading comprehension.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 12:34:44 GMT -5
No, I said nothing about myself at all.Your spin won't work. Actually you're the one who is upset people don't see things your way . You say you wanted a QB becuase of Eli's contract ...you're assuming what,Eli wouldn't play?The drafted rookie would??? How much is each one of those rookie QB's making what are their contracts I don't know but a couple will be sitting on the bench so how would that help out cap since you are concerned about Eli's contract?I suggesting the fans would complain becuase they didn't get WHO they want not what,again it's that comprehension thing with you. Simply put your Eli bias is showing. Reading comprehension? This is what you said and it seems clear. You are saying they would have been unhappy with the guy they wanted to be picked at #2 because they would have sat the first year....as if we all didn't know that.
Just trying to point out that many fans that wanted a QB still would not be happy had they picked one .Had the Giants gone that rout that player whom ever he would have been would be sitting and still have all the same questions about him as fans had about Webb.Point, people still would not be happy and fans here would still be bitching.
Jeez...Read your own posts before you start talking about reading comprehension.
He's saying you would make at least another 1k posts ragging on DG for selecting Josh Allen when Darnold and Rosen were still available.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 12:40:09 GMT -5
Reading comprehension? This is what you said and it seems clear. You are saying they would have been unhappy with the guy they wanted to be picked at #2 because they would have sat the first year....as if we all didn't know that.
Just trying to point out that many fans that wanted a QB still would not be happy had they picked one .Had the Giants gone that rout that player whom ever he would have been would be sitting and still have all the same questions about him as fans had about Webb.Point, people still would not be happy and fans here would still be bitching.
Jeez...Read your own posts before you start talking about reading comprehension.
He's saying you would make at least another 1k posts ragging on DG for selecting Josh Allen when Darnold and Rosen were still available. That's not what he said. that's what he backtracked to once he was called out for his silliness. I posted word for word what he said.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 14:40:04 GMT -5
That's not what he said. that's what he backtracked to once he was called out for his silliness. I posted word for word what he said.
BS go re read the whole frecking thread! Yes that's my point. You had to backtrack.
it's OK though. We forgive you. Lets just move on.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 14:41:51 GMT -5
MS , you are trying to hard again. Reread what I said. There were some fans that wanted a QB but not all of them wanted the same one .POINT( again) is that had the Giants grab a QB some people still would not be happy for various reasons and would still have the bitching here that we do. Here is one.................. Haha...You asked me to reread the post but it wasn't until this post that you mentioned picking different QB's.
So...show me where in the post I was supposed to reread that you mentioned that.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 14:42:45 GMT -5
No, I said nothing about myself at all.Your spin won't work. Actually you're the one who is upset people don't see things your way . You say you wanted a QB becuase of Eli's contract ...you're assuming what,Eli wouldn't play?The drafted rookie would??? How much is each one of those rookie QB's making what are their contracts I don't know but a couple will be sitting on the bench so how would that help out cap since you are concerned about Eli's contract?I suggesting the fans would complain becuase they didn't get WHO they want not what,again it's that comprehension thing with you. Simply put your Eli bias is showing. ............and explained it again!!!! Show me the post you told me to reread. That's all.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 14:47:38 GMT -5
Yes that's my point. You had to backtrack.
it's OK though. We forgive you. Lets just move on.
BS I proved you wrong ....................................again! I clarified it for you three different effing times! You asked me to reread a post. So show me the post that came before that, that explains what you say it does.
If you can do that I will apologize. If you can't, then human decency requires you do the same. It's not complicated and there is no reason to get huffy.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 6, 2018 14:51:35 GMT -5
Waiting.......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 15:35:26 GMT -5
Just trying to point out that many fans that wanted a QB still would not be happy had they picked one .Had the Giants gone that rout that player whom ever he would have been would be sitting and still have all the same questions about him as fans had about Webb.Point, people still would not be happy and fans here would still be bitching. Good point. I'm about as happy with Barkley as I would be with Darnold, and more so than Allen or Mayfield. Darnold and Mayfield look really good so far, but that's with hindsight. Based on pre-draft analysis, Rosen was the only guy I had squarely ahead of Barkley.
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