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Post by Roswell on Sept 18, 2020 5:52:14 GMT -5
Elliot helps the Cowboys a ton but they have a team I would take the trade to but that is hind sight if we drafted Darnold or Mayfield this board would be going nuts. It's a team game when you get chance to draft a skill guy whom could be the best at his position for years to come you take it. Barkely as far as TDs and Yards has out performed some of the top WRs in game he and Jones need help and Slayton looks like he can be that. I would take the trade but I'm not gonna complain about drafting an elite talent. I wanna see what this year brings with Garret and this OL. Were we winning with OBJ no because you need to play defense and run the ball if this OL grows up and is solid this team is gonna win. I get they help their teams. Especially Mccaffrey but it’s not a one player game other then QB Last years record with Elite Running Backs Mccaffrey, Panthers. 5 Wins Elliot, Dallas. 8 wins Barkley 4 wins Again I don’t know what we could have gotten for that pick so it’s just talk of what could have beens Ok. So that’s your parameters for your argument. That exceptional RBs do not help their team win games. So isn’t Tyron Smith on the Cowboys too? How about something like 10 Pro Bowl years out of Joe Thomas in Cleveland? Should I reel off Cleveland’s win totals with arguably the premiere OT of our generation? These RBs are great players. And someone still has to explain to me how a great player that touches the ball 20 times a game is a bad pick. Who should they have drafted? Darnold? A bad game after no preseason against a strong defense whose HC admitted that they sold out on the run virtually every play to take Barkley out of the game. It seems like that’s why this three year old thread has resurfaced. Barkley is a terrific football player. The more of those you have on your team, the better.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Sept 18, 2020 5:54:55 GMT -5
Considering your Simms fetish that is understandable. Eli always seemed to be the kind of guy who got beat up for milk money. I figured his worshipers are the same.
I'm sorry but "gunslingers" have swagger. Eli never did.
Yeah. But he's got two rings.
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Post by TEM on Sept 18, 2020 6:01:39 GMT -5
Calling Eli a "gunslinger" literally makes me laugh out loud.
Considering your Simms Eli fetish that is understandable. I fixed it for you.🧐
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 18, 2020 10:22:07 GMT -5
Considering your Simms Eli fetish that is understandable. I fixed it for you.🧐 You're such a little scamp.
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Post by giantsalmon on Sept 18, 2020 11:17:38 GMT -5
I get they help their teams. Especially Mccaffrey but it’s not a one player game other then QB Last years record with Elite Running Backs Mccaffrey, Panthers. 5 Wins Elliot, Dallas. 8 wins Barkley 4 wins Again I don’t know what we could have gotten for that pick so it’s just talk of what could have beens Ok. So that’s your parameters for your argument. That exceptional RBs do not help their team win games. So isn’t Tyron Smith on the Cowboys too? How about something like 10 Pro Bowl years out of Joe Thomas in Cleveland? Should I reel off Cleveland’s win totals with arguably the premiere OT of our generation? These RBs are great players. And someone still has to explain to me how a great player that touches the ball 20 times a game is a bad pick. Who should they have drafted? Darnold? A bad game after no preseason against a strong defense whose HC admitted that they sold out on the run virtually every play to take Barkley out of the game. It seems like that’s why this three year old thread has resurfaced. Barkley is a terrific football player. The more of those you have on your team, the better. Agree. I was hoping, and perhaps it will still happen once his game gets back on track, that Saquon would become a supreme leader. There was a brief period when Jacobs and Bradshaw were a two headed monster--they fed off each other and held the entire team accountable. Hokey as it sounds, but rah rah vocal leaders ranting and raving up and down the sideline works in the emotional game of football--especially when its coming from guys producing and "laying it all out there".
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 18, 2020 15:16:21 GMT -5
gunslingers are risky but they do keep the DBs from crowding the LOS... Calling Eli a "gunslinger" literally makes me laugh out loud.
for what reason ..
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 18, 2020 19:00:14 GMT -5
I thought Gettlemans biggest mistake was taking the job..
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 18, 2020 21:26:15 GMT -5
Calling Eli a "gunslinger" literally makes me laugh out loud.
for what reason .. Because it's funny. I laugh at funny things.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 19, 2020 15:32:12 GMT -5
Because it's funny. I laugh at funny things. then you need to take a look in the mirror
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Post by houndstoothhat on Sept 19, 2020 17:13:49 GMT -5
Who would you have picked? Anything not rated as the #2 on your board is in essence a self imposed moving down in the draft. Well speaking for myself I can say that I'm not an NFL GM. I only play one on the internet. Having said that to me it's really a matter of philosophy. Do you pick a RB with the 2nd pick in the draft. By definition, the team is bad. I think we've seen in today's NFL that it's a poor idea without a decent O line. Plus we've seen so many great RB's who come from later rounds. There are certain positions that have to be focused on with a pick that high. QB, LT, Pass rusher, cover corner. Those are the most impactful positions on the field.
So who SHOULD they have picked? We don't have access to the scouting, so really none of us can say. I thought when we traded JPP, Bradley Chubb came into play. But we can certainly agree that over the first two+ seasons......Saquan isn't helping us win. As a matter of fact we won two games last year with him on the sidelines.
It's just the nature of today's NFL.
I am surprised you are the 1st one to talk about the team concept of football!! Look, I like SB but w/o an OLine why!?? We had sooo many other needs that made TEAM sense. Look around the league, most teams with good running games have OLines that have been playing together for a while. Look at our 2 SB runs!!! But the Giants are still trying to figure this one out!!! Go Blue
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 19, 2020 17:30:22 GMT -5
Because it's funny. I laugh at funny things. then you need to take a look in the mirror You're right. I'm a friggin riot.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 19, 2020 18:50:57 GMT -5
Considering your Simms fetish that is understandable. Eli always seemed to be the kind of guy who got beat up for milk money. I figured his worshipers are the same.
I'm sorry but "gunslingers" have swagger. Eli never did.
Gunslingers have big arms but not the best anticipation or timing but are able to make up for those with Arm strength. Eli the complete opposite of this
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 19, 2020 18:56:45 GMT -5
then you need to take a look in the mirror You're right. I'm a friggin riot. Don't be so shallow. Looks aren't everything.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 20, 2020 10:59:03 GMT -5
That said, hindsight, we should have traded back for Nelson. Our team would be in a much better situation had we done that. At the time I wanted to trade back too. But if not, I liked Chubb, Nelson, Rosen. (with Mayfield gone) The trenches and the QB. I liked Rosen over Darnold. I was a Darnold guy … not looking like a good call at this point There is still time for him they aren't healthy at WR / RB contrary to what some think a RB is a QBs best friend and with no WRs he has no one to throw to.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Sept 20, 2020 12:43:52 GMT -5
Hate to say I told ya so
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Post by gumby on Sept 20, 2020 13:15:47 GMT -5
So one thing that I think that you're not considering is what value Saquon brings Daniel Jones. Yes, Saquon wasn't able to do anything on the ground, but if you listen to what Tomlin said after the game, the whole focus of the defense was to stop Barkley, even if it meant putting exposing their secondary. Now think about that. Think about what that means for a young QB still developing. He's working with an advantage because the defense is so hell bent on not letting Barkley beat them. The TD to Slayton is a result of that. What other player in that draft was as a sure shot of giving us that type of advantage? Think about it? I know a lot of you would say Q. Nelson, but his singular affect would have been to provide protection in one singular instance. Yes, he would have provided protection and run blocking ability, but opposing defenses wouldn't be going as far as to completely scheming their plan of attack around him. Barkley was as close to a sure thing in the first round then anyone else available that could provide such a huge benefit. I wouldn't change the pick because in the long run it's going to help DJ become better and once the blocking issues are sorted, opposing defenses are going to be screwed because if you gameplan to stop one, the other is going to pick you apart or run wild. Pick your poison, either way you're screwed. I wasn't a fan of the Barkley pick. I thought it was a terrible value. Worse than drafting a linebacker that high. At the time, i would have preferred almost any one else but him. But that being said, the above is a very good point i didn't think of. You don't want the target on your young QB, but on someone else.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 20, 2020 13:47:42 GMT -5
Well speaking for myself I can say that I'm not an NFL GM. I only play one on the internet. Having said that to me it's really a matter of philosophy. Do you pick a RB with the 2nd pick in the draft. By definition, the team is bad. I think we've seen in today's NFL that it's a poor idea without a decent O line. Plus we've seen so many great RB's who come from later rounds. There are certain positions that have to be focused on with a pick that high. QB, LT, Pass rusher, cover corner. Those are the most impactful positions on the field.
So who SHOULD they have picked? We don't have access to the scouting, so really none of us can say. I thought when we traded JPP, Bradley Chubb came into play. But we can certainly agree that over the first two+ seasons......Saquan isn't helping us win. As a matter of fact we won two games last year with him on the sidelines.
It's just the nature of today's NFL.
I am surprised you are the 1st one to talk about the team concept of football!! Look, I like SB but w/o an OLine why!?? We had sooo many other needs that made TEAM sense. Look around the league, most teams with good running games have OLines that have been playing together for a while. Look at our 2 SB runs!!! But the Giants are still trying to figure this one out!!! Go Blue We did the same thing in 2014 picking a WR in the first round when out OL was terrible.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 20, 2020 13:52:24 GMT -5
Mistakes by Gettleman:
- Missing out on Andrew Norwell and settling on Solder - SQB over Quentin Nelson - Daniel Jones over ANY pass rusher - Trading up for Baker - Leonard Williams - Trading away JPP - Never signing a pass rusher to help our useless LB corp - Trading away Odell for Peppers and what ended up being the Dexter Lawrence pick - Picking Hernandez - Bringing in Shurmer
I'm sure I'm missing a boat load of things.
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Post by redeyejedi on Sept 20, 2020 14:31:10 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins. Dave Gettleman should be fired for taking a RB at 2. 8:38 PM · Apr 26, 2018·Twitter Web Client
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 20, 2020 14:41:14 GMT -5
Best move by Gettleman: - Trading away Odell for Peppers and what ended up being the Dexter Lawrence pick Fixed it. Pretty funny that Dave's best move was done on accident. He never intended to trade the diva WR.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Sept 20, 2020 15:08:34 GMT -5
Now do you see why drafting a rb high is NEVER a good idea. They get hurt too often. Damn shame. You never invest high in an accident prone position and not have a good oline
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 20, 2020 16:03:48 GMT -5
Unless you called a very likely torn ACL in the second game of his third season, you didn't.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 20, 2020 16:05:02 GMT -5
Mistakes by Gettleman: - Missing out on Andrew Norwell and settling on Solder - SQB over Quentin Nelson - Daniel Jones over ANY pass rusher - Trading up for Baker - Leonard Williams - Trading away JPP - Never signing a pass rusher to help our useless LB corp - Trading away Odell for Peppers and what ended up being the Dexter Lawrence pick - Picking Hernandez - Bringing in Shurmer I'm sure I'm missing a boat load of things. You have some interesting opinions.
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Post by TEM on Sept 20, 2020 16:06:35 GMT -5
I love revisionist GMs. They are always right.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 20, 2020 16:07:43 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Giants made was making this guy the GM.
The Barkley pick alone set us back years.
Hopefully Jones didnt set us back more, but it looks like it did.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Sept 20, 2020 16:12:25 GMT -5
Eli always seemed to be the kind of guy who got beat up for milk money. I figured his worshipers are the same.
I'm sorry but "gunslingers" have swagger. Eli never did.
Think Bert Jones. Bert Jones had a Cannon..
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 20, 2020 16:17:58 GMT -5
I love revisionist GMs. They are always right. I prefer the Obviousman folks myself. Much more delusional and therefore, entertaining. By the way I have two sure fire, guaranteed predictions for you right now: 1- the stock market is gonna crash 2- you are going to die
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 20, 2020 20:00:59 GMT -5
I love revisionist GMs. They are always right. I prefer the Obviousman folks myself. Much more delusional and therefore, entertaining. By the way I have two sure fire, guaranteed predictions for you right now: 1- the stock market is gonna crash 2- you are going to die Call it what you want. Gettleman made bad decisions and we are paying for it with constant losing. No one is above criticism. Rather than going off topic, why not refute what's listed in this thread.
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Post by rbe40 on Sept 20, 2020 20:03:27 GMT -5
Clearly, right now, Giants would trade both QB Daniel Jones + RB Saquon for QB Josh Allen
Josh Allen was the pick in 2018.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 20, 2020 20:11:37 GMT -5
Clearly, right now, Giants would trade both QB Daniel Jones + RB Saquon for QB Josh Allen Josh Allen was the pick in 2018. Or just drafted quentin Nelson. Our line was dog shit back then too and am actually transcendent player was there for the taking.
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