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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 20, 2020 20:19:57 GMT -5
I prefer the Obviousman folks myself. Much more delusional and therefore, entertaining. By the way I have two sure fire, guaranteed predictions for you right now: 1- the stock market is gonna crash 2- you are going to die Call it what you want. Gettleman made bad decisions and we are paying for it with constant losing. No one is above criticism. Rather than going off topic, why not refute what's listed in this thread. No one is infringing on your right to criticize and he deserves criticism. That's true of them all. And every fan is entitled to their opinions. I happen to disagree with some of yours. I think trading away JPP was a great move, as was trading Beckham. I don't think the Hernandez pick was a bad one, I think it's too soon to call it. In short, I think some of those opinions exhibit great hindsight and I don't agree with them all. Some I do.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 20, 2020 20:21:36 GMT -5
Clearly, right now, Giants would trade both QB Daniel Jones + RB Saquon for QB Josh Allen Josh Allen was the pick in 2018. I think that's absurd. Although I really do like Allen's game. He's got a long way to develop but I like him.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 20, 2020 23:32:48 GMT -5
I love revisionist GMs. They are always right. Unless they called most of the bad decisions when they actually occurred. Which... lots of people did. Eli, Barkley, Ogletree, Soldier, Williams. I could go on but feel like none of these were 'real' accomplishments, just common sense
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 21, 2020 0:21:11 GMT -5
I love revisionist GMs. They are always right. Unless they called most of the bad decisions when they actually occurred. Which... lots of people did. Eli, Barkley, Ogletree, Soldier, Williams. I could go on but feel like none of these were 'real' accomplishments, just common sense i agree it didnt take deon warwick to realize eli was done after 2017. Also that ramz the RT was the better pick over engram and josh allen qb over barkley (also could have traded out)
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Post by TEM on Sept 21, 2020 6:12:52 GMT -5
I love revisionist GMs. They are always right. Unless they called most of the bad decisions when they actually occurred. Which... lots of people did. Eli, Barkley, Ogletree, Soldier, Williams. I could go on but feel like none of these were 'real' accomplishments, just common sense HAHAH OK Caral I know everything after it happens. Did you call the stopck market crash in 08 the day after it ahppend also?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 8:14:14 GMT -5
Clearly, right now, Giants would trade both QB Daniel Jones + RB Saquon for QB Josh Allen Josh Allen was the pick in 2018. If we are playing should have could have would have I pick Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 8:15:27 GMT -5
Clearly, right now, Giants would trade both QB Daniel Jones + RB Saquon for QB Josh Allen Josh Allen was the pick in 2018. Or just drafted quentin Nelson. Our line was dog shit back then too and am actually transcendent player was there for the taking. Grabbing Nelson that year changes the entire history line. Then we probably won’t grab Hernandez.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 8:18:29 GMT -5
Call it what you want. Gettleman made bad decisions and we are paying for it with constant losing. No one is above criticism. Rather than going off topic, why not refute what's listed in this thread. No one is infringing on your right to criticize and he deserves criticism. That's true of them all. And every fan is entitled to there opinions. I happen to disagree with some of yours. I think trading away JPP was a great move, as was trading Beckham. I don't think the Hernandez pick was a bad one, I think it's too soon to call it. In short, I think some of those opinions exhibit great hindsight and I don't agree with them all. Some I do. I am one of the few that miss ODB. He has to always be game planned against. You can’t crowd the box with him in the line up. Slayton is a great Deep threat but what other receiver have we ever had that could take a 5-10 slant to the house at any time. It would have totally changed the way the Steelers played against us. They were determined to take out SQB because we don’t have any dynamic wide receivers
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 21, 2020 9:05:09 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Giants made was making this guy the GM. The Barkley pick alone set us back years. Hopefully Jones didnt set us back more, but it looks like it did. remember how angry fans were at us for questioning that pick ?" best player in the draft" Pepperidge farms remembers.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 21, 2020 9:08:54 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Giants made was making this guy the GM. The Barkley pick alone set us back years. Hopefully Jones didnt set us back more, but it looks like it did. remember how angry fans were at us for questioning that pick ?" best player in the draft" Pepperidge farms remembers. I would call up his bad games at Penn St and would be told they had a bad team / OL. And Id be like "What do we have?" He is a solid RB but not what he was hyped up to be. He has a bunch of flaws. If we got him in the 2nd round I would have been ok with it. Not pick 2. Thats how rebuilds fall apart. And now the Jones pick is under the gun.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 21, 2020 9:09:45 GMT -5
Clearly, right now, Giants would trade both QB Daniel Jones + RB Saquon for QB Josh Allen Josh Allen was the pick in 2018. If we are playing should have could have would have I pick Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen Imagine if we took Donald over Beckham.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 21, 2020 9:10:33 GMT -5
If we are playing should have could have would have I pick Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen Imagine if we took Donald over Beckham. Thats actually who I wanted at the time.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 21, 2020 9:12:21 GMT -5
If we are playing should have could have would have I pick Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen Imagine if we took Donald over Beckham. I remember our friend Kase was hot for Aaron Donald over anyone else that draft.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 21, 2020 9:12:37 GMT -5
Imagine if we took Donald over Beckham. Thats actually who I wanted at the time. I remember. Hey, imagine if we knew how to draft a half decent OL over the past decade.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 21, 2020 9:19:13 GMT -5
Thats actually who I wanted at the time. I remember. Hey, imagine if we knew how to draft a half decent OL over the past decade. Bottom line is, we are a loser organization the past 7-8 years. From the owners to the janitors. This is the 90s again. Clown show. A dark period. Complete embarrassment. And I know some here think they see some turn around the past couple of years, but I dont. I actually think its getting worse somehow. Next week if they lose, to an decimated 49ers team, but show good heart in the battle, some here will be happy which just goes to show you how low the bar has been dropped.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 21, 2020 9:20:41 GMT -5
I remember. Hey, imagine if we knew how to draft a half decent OL over the past decade. Bottom line is, we are a loser organization the past 7-8 years. From the owners to the janitors. This is the 90s again. Clown show. A dark period. Complete embarrassment. And I know some here think they see some turn around the past couple of years, but I dont. I actually think its getting worse somehow. Next week if they lose, to an decimated 49ers team, but show good heart in the battle, some here will be happy which just goes to show you how low the bar has been dropped. What? The song changed again? I thought we were still playa coulda woulda!
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 21, 2020 9:22:31 GMT -5
Bottom line is, we are a loser organization the past 7-8 years. From the owners to the janitors. This is the 90s again. Clown show. A dark period. Complete embarrassment. And I know some here think they see some turn around the past couple of years, but I dont. I actually think its getting worse somehow. Next week if they lose, to an decimated 49ers team, but show good heart in the battle, some here will be happy which just goes to show you how low the bar has been dropped. What? The song changed again? I thought we were still playa coulda woulda! Huh? ok... you still a playa coulda woulda. Ill just stick to the facts of how bad DG is.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 21, 2020 9:33:21 GMT -5
What? The song changed again? I thought we were still playa coulda woulda! Huh? ok... you still a playa coulda woulda. Ill just stick to the facts of how bad DG is. Awesome! I was starting to miss the revisionist anecdotes.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 21, 2020 9:42:32 GMT -5
Huh? ok... you still a playa coulda woulda. Ill just stick to the facts of how bad DG is. Awesome! I was starting to miss the revisionist anecdotes. Are you suggesting I altered my thoughts based on hindsight? Im pretty sure everyone on this board knows how badly I hated the Barkley pick from the day we drafted him.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 21, 2020 9:52:16 GMT -5
The Giants stink because their roster is a mess. Plain and simple. It isn't built to win. Even if they did not draft Barkley and drafted someone else, the team would still stink. I don't get the "we should have drafted someone else" crowd. Those types act like drafting another player instead would change our current situation. As long as this front office stays as is, we are going to be bad. Complaining about Barkley after all of this time and after a freak injury is a waste of brain cells. Until the Giants employ a competent front office who actually knows how to build even an average NFL roster that is built to win in today's game of football, our team is going to be bad.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 21, 2020 9:52:46 GMT -5
Awesome! I was starting to miss the revisionist anecdotes. Are you suggesting I altered my thoughts based on hindsight? Im pretty sure everyone on this board knows how badly I hated the Barkley pick from the day we drafted him. No, why? Are you of the belief that this is a private thread and that only you and I are posting on it?
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Post by thetruth on Sept 21, 2020 9:58:33 GMT -5
Unless they called most of the bad decisions when they actually occurred. Which... lots of people did. Eli, Barkley, Ogletree, Soldier, Williams. I could go on but feel like none of these were 'real' accomplishments, just common sense HAHAH OK Caral I know everything after it happens. Did you call the stopck market crash in 08 the day after it ahppend also? Ever read the book "the big short". (You should) It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the players above were bad transactions. Lots said they were, its really not difficult. DG stans like you? stick with every decision by he like its gospel. So not surprised by your response, at allll So you be you my friend.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 21, 2020 10:07:47 GMT -5
The Giants stink because their roster is a mess. Plain and simple. It isn't built to win. Even if they did not draft Barkley and drafted someone else, the team would still stink. I don't get the "we should have drafted someone else" crowd. Those types act like drafting another player instead would change our current situation. As long as this front office stays as is, we are going to be bad. Complaining about Barkley after all of this time and after a freak injury is a waste of brain cells. Until the Giants employ a competent front office who actually knows how to build even an average NFL roster that is built to win in today's game of football, our team is going to be bad. i hear you but drafting a qb in that draft would have been a domino effect. Instead of signing players to extend elis career and win now. We would look a lot different today roster wise.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 21, 2020 10:15:31 GMT -5
Are you suggesting I altered my thoughts based on hindsight? Im pretty sure everyone on this board knows how badly I hated the Barkley pick from the day we drafted him. No, why? Are you of the belief that this is a private thread and that only you and I are posting on it? Well, you are constantly quoting me this morning, in almost every thread Im posting in. I do feel kinda loved, and/or stalked. I figured you were insinuating I am using revisionist history on that pick since you quoted me. Good to know. I also liked Josh Rosen. Fire away.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 21, 2020 14:05:26 GMT -5
No, why? Are you of the belief that this is a private thread and that only you and I are posting on it? Well, you are constantly quoting me this morning, in almost every thread Im posting in. I do feel kinda loved, and/or stalked. I figured you were insinuating I am using revisionist history on that pick since you quoted me. Good to know. I also liked Josh Rosen. Fire away. That wasn't my intent at all; my apologies if you felt that. I was speaking generally. I liked Rosen as well. Who knows? In a much more stable environment he may end up turning out ok.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 21, 2020 14:07:30 GMT -5
The Giants stink because their roster is a mess. Plain and simple. It isn't built to win. Even if they did not draft Barkley and drafted someone else, the team would still stink. I don't get the "we should have drafted someone else" crowd. Those types act like drafting another player instead would change our current situation. As long as this front office stays as is, we are going to be bad. Complaining about Barkley after all of this time and after a freak injury is a waste of brain cells. Until the Giants employ a competent front office who actually knows how to build even an average NFL roster that is built to win in today's game of football, our team is going to be bad. You clearly lack the Kreskin gene. In all my laboratory scenarios everything always works out hunky dory!
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Post by rbe40 on Sept 21, 2020 14:14:29 GMT -5
Clearly, right now, Giants would trade both QB Daniel Jones + RB Saquon for QB Josh Allen Josh Allen was the pick in 2018. If we are playing should have could have would have I pick Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen Does Greg Roman the Ravens OC come along with him too?
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 21, 2020 14:18:32 GMT -5
I love revisionist GMs. They are always right. Unless they called most of the bad decisions when they actually occurred. Which... lots of people did. Eli, Barkley, Ogletree, Soldier, Williams. I could go on but feel like none of these were 'real' accomplishments, just common sense It's true. Many different posters get various things right.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 21, 2020 14:24:31 GMT -5
Unless they called most of the bad decisions when they actually occurred. Which... lots of people did. Eli, Barkley, Ogletree, Soldier, Williams. I could go on but feel like none of these were 'real' accomplishments, just common sense It's true. Many different posters get various things right. Posters who had Eli on his last legs in 2016 typically also had: - Barkley was a bad pick, RB's aren't valuable. Injury prone and replaceable along being highly dependent on OL - Ogletree was the same shit player with the Giants as he was on his last two years of Rams - Solider was a very expensive Eric Flowers - Williams trade was horrendous. But need we go on my friend? we can, but I know that you already know this. The precedence is there. Imagine we had access to all of the resources our GM has. Yet we can make his bad calls preemptively. Kinda pathetic if you ask me. I appreciate your faith in management making the right decisions. In a vacuum, thats usually true for most corporations. Just not a mom and pop shop disguised as a corporation, though.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 21, 2020 14:41:12 GMT -5
It's true. Many different posters get various things right. Posters who had Eli on his last legs in 2016 typically also had: - Barkley was a bad pick, RB's aren't valuable. Injury prone and replaceable along being highly dependent on OL - Ogletree was the same shit player with the Giants as he was on his last two years of Rams - Solider was a very expensive Eric Flowers - Williams trade was horrendous. But need we go on my friend? we can, but I know that you already know this. The precedence is there. Imagine we had access to all of the resources our GM has. Yet we can make his bad calls preemptively. Kinda pathetic if you ask me. I appreciate your faith in management making the right decisions. In a vacuum, thats usually true for most corporations. Just not a mom and pop shop disguised as a corporation, though. Go on about what? That fans sometimes get stuff right? No, we don't. I already said that.
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