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Post by Jomo on May 21, 2021 10:24:14 GMT -5
If he can’t pass block they will not resign him. I don’t think they will.....just apply the franchise tag one or two times then let him go. If he doesn’t pass block any better than he did before let him go after the 2021 season. Right now Barkley is a player who looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane. I agree 100% about the pass blocking and it's huge! I can't imagine B. Parcells and B. Belichick having a RB who can't block. Fans are gonna talk about SB speed, power etc... but the Giants Oline is the weak link added with D Jones turnovers and then you put in a RB who can't pick up the blitz??? WTF !!!  No way, put the money in the oline get 3 RB's by committee and now you don't put all your eggs in one basket on the field and with the budget. That is the truth and baffling to me. He seems committed to improving all aspects of his game but that one stands out as a hole in his game. He could have been confused about assignments with so many gaping holes in our OL with multiple defenders pouring through. Or I could be making excuses for him. Let's see where that goes this year. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 10:26:50 GMT -5
Didn't realize that, thanks. A bit surprising given his injury, but I guess there's a timing reason. Yeah, my nephew the Jets fan was telling me that new rule when we were discussing Darnold...signing a first rounder after year 3. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 21, 2021 10:30:30 GMT -5
Prove it first... Then, no. My take is that if there is anyone on this team that has to "prove it" it is Barkley. I have a far better feeling about DJ coming thru for us this year. Barkley, at a bare minimum, he has to show us that he is at least as good, in all aspects, as the guy who replaced him last year when he went down. He must be a 3 down back. Schemes will help his reluctance to mix it up in north/south plays and a better line will help disguise his 2nd rate blocking.
I really hope he proves me wrong but I think he is our biggest question mark. Hey Leatherneck, You don't think he is as good as Gallman was last year ? Or any other back we've had or have since Tiki ? The main thing we need from Barkley is to be healthy and stay healthy. His rookie year he showed us all what he's capable of doing. Perhaps were saying the same thing. If he stays healthy then he will show us how good he is and be great again. The last 2 years his absence due to injury has been deafening. Now this year their are other serious threats in our offense but Barkley could be the straw that stirs the drink. |
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Post by Martin on May 21, 2021 10:32:06 GMT -5
I agree 100% about the pass blocking and it's huge! I can't imagine B. Parcells and B. Belichick having a RB who can't block. Fans are gonna talk about SB speed, power etc... but the Giants Oline is the weak link added with D Jones turnovers and then you put in a RB who can't pick up the blitz??? WTF !!! No way, put the money in the oline get 3 RB's by committee and now you don't put all your eggs in one basket on the field and with the budget. Truer words have never been spoken... Build the OL, and stop listening to the fantasy playing fans...running backs are media creations for sports center. Play calling and the OL creates these overpaid players in a position of little value RB's are gonna get hurt so knowing their NFL lifespan is short why would you sink big money in on one player? How does Dallas / E. Elliott look? Seems he is not the player he was right? (2nd highest paid RB $15 mil) I hope J Mara and Co. are not going down this rabbit hole with SB. |
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Post by nygiantfanalways on May 21, 2021 10:49:54 GMT -5
Where does Barkley have to be with his play (stats or other) before you are ready to write his check of more than $ 16 mil per year? Total Yds ? Improved blocking? Catches ? Moving the chains consistently? Who here on this board has their criteria for signing Barkley to a monster contract because that's what he will be looking for. More than 16 + mil per year is a lot of money that can be spent elsewhere but I digress. What is your criteria and thoughts on this. Bro, we dont even have to pick up his 5th year yet. Calm down. They did pick up the 5th yr option. |
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2021 10:58:58 GMT -5
Where does Barkley have to be with his play (stats or other) before you are ready to write his check of more than $ 16 mil per year? Total Yds ? Improved blocking? Catches ? Moving the chains consistently? Who here on this board has their criteria for signing Barkley to a monster contract because that's what he will be looking for. More than 16 + mil per year is a lot of money that can be spent elsewhere but I digress. What is your criteria and thoughts on this. Where are you getting this number from? |
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2021 11:03:10 GMT -5
Truer words have never been spoken... Build the OL, and stop listening to the fantasy playing fans...running backs are media creations for sports center. Play calling and the OL creates these overpaid players in a position of little value RB's are gonna get hurt so knowing their NFL lifespan is short why would you sink big money in on one player? How does Dallas / E. Elliott look? Seems he is not the player he was right? (2nd highest paid RB $15 mil) I hope J Mara and Co. are not going down this rabbit hole with SB. The guys on this list show that is an inaccurate statement. www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_yds_career.htm |
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Post by Martin on May 21, 2021 11:16:40 GMT -5
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Post by Nick6475 on May 21, 2021 11:17:22 GMT -5
The average career length for an NFL RB is around 2.5 years which is the lowest of all NFL players (3.3 years overall).
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2021 11:27:31 GMT -5
So you are basing your entire rant on speculation in your own head? Point 1). Barkley or his agent have not said anything remotely negligible to build this hypothesis upon. Point 2) Mara as already said there is no plan to extend him at this point. Point 3) He is on the 4th year of his contract, and the FO tied him up next year with his 5th year option. So if it even happens. It is 2 years away. Still I fail to get where you are getting this number from to base an entire rant upon. |
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Post by Kruunch on May 21, 2021 11:33:33 GMT -5
Gettlemans ears just perked up when he saw this thread. If Dave is still our GM, I could very well see this happening. Even if it defies all logic of giving a big contract to a running back. But, that went to hell once he drafted him 2nd overall.
Ask yourselves this. Would you want to sign a player who has an injury history, can’t block your grandmother, and plays a position that is easily replaceable? Let him finish his rookie contract with us, then let some other team pick up the fantasy dynamo..
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Post by jb456 on May 21, 2021 11:33:56 GMT -5
RB's are gonna get hurt so knowing their NFL lifespan is short why would you sink big money in on one player? How does Dallas / E. Elliott look? Seems he is not the player he was right? (2nd highest paid RB $15 mil) I hope J Mara and Co. are not going down this rabbit hole with SB. The guys on this list show that is an inaccurate statement. www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_yds_career.htmThere are a few unicorns in there but it doesn't really make sense to pay running backs $15M. After a certain amount of time, many of the players on that list were getting middling or lower end contracts and signing year to year. The truth is, the majority of running backs production falls off before they hit 30 and it isn't worth paying them big money. You can't pay players based on what they have done, you pay them based on what they will do for you. Also, Barkley hasn't done anything special since his rookie year... |
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2021 11:39:22 GMT -5
There are a few unicorns in there but it doesn't really make sense to pay running backs $15M. After a certain amount of time, many of the players on that list were getting middling or lower end contracts and signing year to year. The truth is, the majority of running backs production falls off before they hit 30 and it isn't worth paying them big money. You can't pay players based on what they have done, you pay them based on what they will do for you. Also, Barkley hasn't done anything special since his rookie year.. Unicorns? That could apply to any position played on the field. Still where are these numbers coming from? Again I fail to see the relevance of the entire discussion . He is under contract for the next 2 seasons with a manageable cap hit. |
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Post by jb456 on May 21, 2021 11:40:12 GMT -5
Gettlemans ears just perked up when he saw this thread. If Dave is still our GM, I could very well see this happening. Even if it defies all logic of giving a big contract to a running back. But, that went to hell once he drafted him 2nd overall. Ask yourselves this. Would you want to sign a player who has an injury history, can’t block your grandmother, and plays a position that is easily replaceable? Let him finish his rookie contract with us, then let some other team pick up the fantasy dynamo.. Nah, that's a major decision and DG would need Judge's, their consultants and the owners decision on that. DG hasn't been a good GM but the one thing he does well is cut dead wood. 5th year option and franchise or just 5th year option and let him walk. Hell, there was even a story going around in the media that the Giants were debating whether to even take Barkley's 5th year option. That story means that the Giants are sure about Barkley's future with the Giants. To much injury... profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/09/dave-gettleman-giants-have-to-decide-whether-to-pick-up-saquon-barkleys-fifth-year-option/ |
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2021 11:41:26 GMT -5
Gettlemans ears just perked up when he saw this thread. If Dave is still our GM, I could very well see this happening. Even if it defies all logic of giving a big contract to a running back. But, that went to hell once he drafted him 2nd overall. Ask yourselves this. Would you want to sign a player who has an injury history, can’t block your grandmother, and plays a position that is easily replaceable? Let him finish his rookie contract with us, then let some other team pick up the fantasy dynamo.. May be I should reiterate with a bigger font He is still under contract for the next 2 seasons and Mara has stated there is no plan to extend him at this point. |
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Post by Martin on May 21, 2021 11:49:02 GMT -5
So you are basing your entire rant on speculation in your own head? Point 1). Barkley or his agent have not said anything remotely negligible to build this hypothesis upon. Point 2) Mara as already said there is no plan to extend him at this point. Point 3) He is on the 4th year of his contract, and the FO tied him up next year with his 5th year option. So if it even happens. It is 2 years away. Still I fail to get where you are getting this number from to base an entire rant upon. First off I don't see it as a rant just a forward thinking opinion. You may be too tied up into little details such as exact salary amounts etc... but I am interested in a larger view. That view is RB's like Barkley if hypothetically healthy and play reasonably strong as they approach their renewal will try to command a large deal. IF that were to happen I am against it. I pointed out the highest paid RB salaries to show where this could be headed. Rant? no not really just more of a concern for a RB that can't block. |
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Post by Kruunch on May 21, 2021 11:49:07 GMT -5
Gettlemans ears just perked up when he saw this thread. If Dave is still our GM, I could very well see this happening. Even if it defies all logic of giving a big contract to a running back. But, that went to hell once he drafted him 2nd overall. Ask yourselves this. Would you want to sign a player who has an injury history, can’t block your grandmother, and plays a position that is easily replaceable? Let him finish his rookie contract with us, then let some other team pick up the fantasy dynamo.. Nah, that's a major decision and DG would need Judge's, their consultants and the owners decision on that. DG hasn't been a good GM but the one thing he does well is cut dead wood. 5th year option and franchise or just 5th year option and let him walk. Hell, there was even a story going around in the media that the Giants were debating whether to even take Barkley's 5th year option. That story means that the Giants are sure about Barkley's future with the Giants. To much injury... profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/09/dave-gettleman-giants-have-to-decide-whether-to-pick-up-saquon-barkleys-fifth-year-option/Is this the same coach who played two washed up players Freeman and Morris before having no choice but to play Gallman? Yeah, that’s who we need to make the decision on Barkley. We already made the mistake drafting him 2nd overall. Let’s, not compound a mistake with another one. |
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Post by jb456 on May 21, 2021 11:49:29 GMT -5
There are a few unicorns in there but it doesn't really make sense to pay running backs $15M. After a certain amount of time, many of the players on that list were getting middling or lower end contracts and signing year to year. The truth is, the majority of running backs production falls off before they hit 30 and it isn't worth paying them big money. You can't pay players based on what they have done, you pay them based on what they will do for you. Also, Barkley hasn't done anything special since his rookie year.. Unicorns? That could apply to any position played on the field. Still where are these numbers coming from? Again I fail to see the relevance of the entire discussion . He is under contract for the next 2 seasons with a manageable cap hit. Relevance to the discussion? The title of the thread is "NYG Highest Paid RB in NFL History". You posted a list of the players with the most all time rushing yards. It appeared that you were arguing for making Barkley that highest paid RB. I mentioned that the majority of running backs production falls off before 30 and it doesn't make sense to pay him that much. Also, Barkley has an unfavorable injury history and recovering from a massive injury. Like you said, he is under contract for 2021 & 2022 BUT if he has a great year, he will want to be paid BEFORE 2022 (If he was smart and I think he is). If that's the case, they should try to trade him for a second round pick. To much risk with Barkley no matter what he does in 2021. |
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Post by Kruunch on May 21, 2021 11:54:35 GMT -5
Gettlemans ears just perked up when he saw this thread. If Dave is still our GM, I could very well see this happening. Even if it defies all logic of giving a big contract to a running back. But, that went to hell once he drafted him 2nd overall. Ask yourselves this. Would you want to sign a player who has an injury history, can’t block your grandmother, and plays a position that is easily replaceable? Let him finish his rookie contract with us, then let some other team pick up the fantasy dynamo.. May be I should reiterate with a bigger font He is still under contract for the next 2 seasons and Mara has stated there is no plan to extend him at this point.Thanks Big Ben. I’m speaking more when his contract is up. Three seasons in, two of them riddled with injures. This should be the easiest decision amongst the fan base. Thanks for the big head commercials, and jumping out of a pool demonstration. Enjoy your second part of your career for another franchise. |
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Post by jb456 on May 21, 2021 11:54:45 GMT -5
Is this the same coach who played two washed up players Freeman and Morris before having no choice but to play Gallman? Yeah, that’s who we need to make the decision on Barkley. We already made the mistake drafting him 2nd overall. Let’s, not compound a mistake with another one. Judge is smart. That article already indicated that DG wasn't even sure about taking Barkley's 5th year option. Also, Freeman (Backup Qb making nothing) and Morris got paid Dog Crap ($1M) compared to what Barkley could command. Apples and Oranges and I don't think there is anything to worry about. |
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Post by Martin on May 21, 2021 11:55:29 GMT -5
Is this the same coach who played two washed up players Freeman and Morris before having no choice but to play Gallman? Yeah, that’s who we need to make the decision on Barkley. We already made the mistake drafting him 2nd overall. Let’s, not compound a mistake with another one. Hallelujah! Can I get an amen? |
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2021 12:07:44 GMT -5
May be I should reiterate with a bigger font He is still under contract for the next 2 seasons and Mara has stated there is no plan to extend him at this point.Thanks Big Ben. I’m speaking more when his contract is up. Three seasons in, two of them riddled with injures. This should be the easiest decision amongst the fan base. Thanks for the big head commercials, and jumping out of a pool demonstration. Enjoy your second part of your career for another franchise. So what if he is an all pro for the next 2 seasons and we put a trophy in the case . He is a fundamental part of that. You let him walk? |
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Post by Kruunch on May 21, 2021 12:11:37 GMT -5
Thanks Big Ben. I’m speaking more when his contract is up. Three seasons in, two of them riddled with injures. This should be the easiest decision amongst the fan base. Thanks for the big head commercials, and jumping out of a pool demonstration. Enjoy your second part of your career for another franchise. So what if he is an all pro for the next 2 seasons and we put a trophy in the case . He is a fundamental part of that. You let him walk? Then we thank him for his services, as we drive him to the airport. |
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2021 12:15:35 GMT -5
Unicorns? That could apply to any position played on the field. Still where are these numbers coming from? Again I fail to see the relevance of the entire discussion . He is under contract for the next 2 seasons with a manageable cap hit. Relevance to the discussion? The title of the thread is "NYG Highest Paid RB in NFL History". You posted a list of the players with the most all time rushing yards. It appeared that you were arguing for making Barkley that highest paid RB. I mentioned that the majority of running backs production falls off before 30 and it doesn't make sense to pay him that much. Also, Barkley has an unfavorable injury history and recovering from a massive injury. Like you said, he is under contract for 2021 & 2022 BUT if he has a great year, he will want to be paid BEFORE 2022 (If he was smart and I think he is). If that's the case, they should try to trade him for a second round pick. To much risk with Barkley no matter what he does in 2021. Now you are making a strawman argument. I was just point out what Martin saying that RBs having a short lifespan in the NFL is an inaccurate statement AR you really implying if he plays well .He should be punished for that and become trade bait? If you are a player coming out of the NCAA and the Giants do as you suggest reward players coming off their rookie contracts that play well with trading them. Would you want to be drafted by the giants? . |
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2021 12:17:51 GMT -5
So what if he is an all pro for the next 2 seasons and we put a trophy in the case . He is a fundamental part of that. You let him walk? Then we thank him for his services, as we drive him to the airport. Thank god you are not the Owener or the GM . Because in its true nature football is a entertainment business. If you get rid of you best performers. You won't fill the house. |
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Post by Martin on May 21, 2021 12:21:48 GMT -5
Then we thank him for his services, as we drive him to the airport. Thank god you are not the Owener or the GM . Because in its true nature football is a entertainment business. If you get rid of you best performers. You won't fill the house. Don't forget the jersey sales as well. |
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Post by Martin on May 21, 2021 12:25:22 GMT -5
Relevance to the discussion? The title of the thread is "NYG Highest Paid RB in NFL History". You posted a list of the players with the most all time rushing yards. It appeared that you were arguing for making Barkley that highest paid RB. I mentioned that the majority of running backs production falls off before 30 and it doesn't make sense to pay him that much. Also, Barkley has an unfavorable injury history and recovering from a massive injury. Like you said, he is under contract for 2021 & 2022 BUT if he has a great year, he will want to be paid BEFORE 2022 (If he was smart and I think he is). If that's the case, they should try to trade him for a second round pick. To much risk with Barkley no matter what he does in 2021. Now you are making a strawman argument. I was just point out what Martin saying that RBs having a short lifespan in the NFL is an inaccurate statementAR you really implying if he plays well .He should be punished for that and become trade bait? If you are a player coming out of the NCAA and the Giants do as you suggest reward players coming off their rookie contracts that play well with trading them. Would you want to be drafted by the giants? . Seems RB's lifespan is 2.57 years (pretty damn short) www.statista.com/statistics/240102/average-player-career-length-in-the-national-football-league/ |
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Post by TEM on May 21, 2021 12:27:11 GMT -5
So you are basing your entire rant on speculation in your own head? Point 1). Barkley or his agent have not said anything remotely negligible to build this hypothesis upon. Point 2) Mara as already said there is no plan to extend him at this point. Point 3) He is on the 4th year of his contract, and the FO tied him up next year with his 5th year option. So if it even happens. It is 2 years away. Still I fail to get where you are getting this number from to base an entire rant upon. First off I don't see it as a rant just a forward thinking opinion. You may be too tied up into little details such as exact salary amounts etc... but I am interested in a larger view. That view is RB's like Barkley if hypothetically healthy and play reasonably strong as they approach their renewal will try to command a large deal. IF that were to happen I am against it. I pointed out the highest paid RB salaries to show where this could be headed. Rant? no not really just more of a concern for a RB that can't block. So you are saying if he plays well. It becomes a problem? Now we are getting to the root of the issue here. Three poster have said the same thing in essence He he plays well he should not be rewarded for that effort. Now the consensus is not to pay players that preform. I asked the Captin this If he is an all pro for the next two seasons and is instrumental to putting a trophy in the case, Is your idea of gratitude for that is to trade him or let him walk? |
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Post by Kruunch on May 21, 2021 12:29:27 GMT -5
Then we thank him for his services, as we drive him to the airport. Thank god you are not the Owener or the GM . Because in its true nature football is a entertainment business. If you get rid of you best performers. You won't fill the house. This is smart. Let’s keep a player in part to keep fans coming to the games. Earth to TEM, fans will go to games if Tweedledum and Tweedledee were playing. Barkley missed most of last season. A show of hands, did anyone tune the games out due to Barkley being out? It’s been proven time and time again. Do not sign a running back to a big contract. If you want to go against the grain, so be it. You’ll be like the Cowboys who are scrambling to get under the cap. |
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Post by Nick6475 on May 21, 2021 12:35:57 GMT -5
First off I don't see it as a rant just a forward thinking opinion. You may be too tied up into little details such as exact salary amounts etc... but I am interested in a larger view. That view is RB's like Barkley if hypothetically healthy and play reasonably strong as they approach their renewal will try to command a large deal. IF that were to happen I am against it. I pointed out the highest paid RB salaries to show where this could be headed. Rant? no not really just more of a concern for a RB that can't block. So you are saying if he plays well. It becomes a problem? Now we are getting to the root of the issue here. Three poster have said the same thing in essence He he plays well he should not be rewarded for that effort. Now the consensus is not to pay players that preform. I asked the Captin this If he is an all pro for the next two seasons and is instrumental to putting a trophy in the case, Is your idea of gratitude for that is to trade him or let him walk? If the Giants win a SB with Barkley and he is an All Pro in the next two years he is not going anywhere, even if it is at the detriment of the roster. However, the more interesting hypothetical situation is if he is a little better than average, the Giants win a little more, even a playoff game, but he is only in the top 10 RBs of the league. He is still going to demand top RB money and going forward with his injury history, I am not sure it is a great idea to keep him around. |
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