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Post by Jomo on Jun 13, 2021 0:15:10 GMT -5
Cut him and no one will care, even him.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 13, 2021 12:18:40 GMT -5
one of the things wrong here is that too much money is being thrown at players who are not mature enough to handle it. Most come from low income backgrounds and are overwhelmed with that amount of money... Like you said…maturity…these guys are in COLLEGE! Can you imagine? College! I couldn’t afford college and went into the service. Now, how the hell are these morons even getting degrees? Can you imagine where they would be working if they weren’t playing football? Whatever company they would be running would be a disaster! College! LMFAO! it just goes to show how important football is to these colleges, some of these colleges should be embarrassed..
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Post by GameTime on Jun 14, 2021 11:41:56 GMT -5
Like you said…maturity…these guys are in COLLEGE! Can you imagine? College! I couldn’t afford college and went into the service. Now, how the hell are these morons even getting degrees? Can you imagine where they would be working if they weren’t playing football? Whatever company they would be running would be a disaster! College! LMFAO! it just goes to show how important football is to these colleges, these colleges should be embarrassed.. colleges dont care about the good students, the bad students, the athletes or their programs. All they care about is the revenue stream in all its forms. They like to paint a nice picture but $$ is the bottom line.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jun 14, 2021 12:53:18 GMT -5
The question is, were there red flags for Beal coming out of college? Did he have any prior arrests or anything like that?
If not, then it becomes hard to blame a team for drafting a guy for discipline issues if they didn't manifest prior.
If he did have issues, and the team deemed that they weren't a sign of future behavior, then it's on the team.
I agree with other posters though that this doesn't seem like a big infraction, and that him skipping OTAs after previously opting out of the season seems like a bigger red flag to me.
Like dude, you just missed an entire season, you'd think the kid would want to do everything he can to get familiar with the coaches, teammates and playbook.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 14, 2021 15:49:38 GMT -5
one of the things wrong here is that too much money is being thrown at players who are not mature enough to handle it. Most come from low income backgrounds and are overwhelmed with that amount of money... Like you said…maturity…these guys are in COLLEGE! Can you imagine? College! I couldn’t afford college and went into the service. Now, how the hell are these morons even getting degrees? Can you imagine where they would be working if they weren’t playing football? Whatever company they would be running would be a disaster! College! LMFAO! these days there are too many colleges who are more interested in producing a good football team than they are in producing quality students....
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Post by nyg2 on Jun 14, 2021 15:56:27 GMT -5
This idiot needs to be gone. How can they let him have a roster spot? Oft injured - Check Opt out - Check Off field issues- Check Worthless - Check It doesn't matter, with the pending suspension, the Giants will just cut him............... If fact, it's time for me to change my avatar. I can't stand look at this moron any longer. Haven't you had it for almost 2 years now. At this point, it's become an inseparable part of your profile and who you are on this board.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 14, 2021 16:11:38 GMT -5
it just goes to show how important football is to these colleges, these colleges should be embarrassed.. colleges dont care about the good students, the bad students, the athletes or their programs. All they care about is the revenue stream in all its forms. They like to paint a nice picture but $$ is the bottom line. you're right about this, didn't John Madden say that no matter what people say in the NFL it ALL comes down to money...or something close to that..
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Post by GameTime on Jun 14, 2021 16:13:37 GMT -5
colleges dont care about the good students, the bad students, the athletes or their programs. All they care about is the revenue stream in all its forms. They like to paint a nice picture but $$ is the bottom line. you're right about this, didn't John Madden say that no matter what people say in the NFL it ALL comes down money...or something close to that.. sadly for most things this is true.
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Post by botton365 on Jun 14, 2021 18:31:25 GMT -5
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Post by Jomo on Jun 14, 2021 18:54:57 GMT -5
The question is, were there red flags for Beal coming out of college? Did he have any prior arrests or anything like that? If not, then it becomes hard to blame a team for drafting a guy for discipline issues if they didn't manifest prior. If he did have issues, and the team deemed that they weren't a sign of future behavior, then it's on the team. I agree with other posters though that this doesn't seem like a big infraction, and that him skipping OTAs after previously opting out of the season seems like a bigger red flag to me. Like dude, you just missed an entire season, you'd think the kid would want to do everything he can to get familiar with the coaches, teammates and playbook. I agree with that. Missing OTAs after all he's missed thus far is a bigger red flag for me.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 14, 2021 22:05:18 GMT -5
I'll play devil's advocate here.
Not sure how serious these charges are. I don't think they are that serious actually.....and who knows?...We may cut him tomorrow.
But I suspect he'll have his chance in camp and if he can play he'll be on the team. Maybe he can still be a good player. You never know. The Giants world had completely quit on Corey Webster in 2007. There were no off the field issues, but everyone gave up on him. Even TC had him on special teams exclusively even into the playoffs of 2007.
Then he became one of the best cover corners in the NFL. Maybe Beal isn't done yet is my only point.
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Post by Martin on Jun 14, 2021 22:49:03 GMT -5
I'll play devil's advocate here. Not sure how serious these charges are. I don't think they are that serious actually.....and who knows?...We may cut him tomorrow. But I suspect he'll have his chance in camp and if he can play he'll be on the team. Maybe he can still be a good player. You never know. The Giants world had completely quit on Corey Webster in 2007. There were no off the field issues, but everyone gave up on him. Even TC had him on special teams exclusively even into the playoffs of 2007. Then he became one of the best cover corners in the NFL. Maybe Beal isn't done yet is my only point. and it's a good point. Webster was done I thought. I was wrong and others too. There a way too many unknowns as we circle the Giants. I think of that cold playoff game against brett favre.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 14, 2021 23:15:08 GMT -5
I'll play devil's advocate here. Not sure how serious these charges are. I don't think they are that serious actually.....and who knows?...We may cut him tomorrow. But I suspect he'll have his chance in camp and if he can play he'll be on the team. Maybe he can still be a good player. You never know. The Giants world had completely quit on Corey Webster in 2007. There were no off the field issues, but everyone gave up on him. Even TC had him on special teams exclusively even into the playoffs of 2007. Then he became one of the best cover corners in the NFL. Maybe Beal isn't done yet is my only point. and it's a good point. Webster was done I thought. I was wrong and others too. There a way too many unknowns as we circle the Giants. I think of that cold playoff game against brett favre. It is a bit of a reach imo to compare a supplemental #3 from Western Michigan with 3 starts in two years, largely injured then a COVID no show to a #2 from LSU who started 12 games in his first 2 years. Webster blossomed because he was in camp and continued to work at his trade. I don't know that we can say that about Beal who has done a real "where's Waldo" act. But hey, if a miracle happens, no one here is sending him packing. Now for the likelihood of said miracle, I would be happy to take the "won't happen" side of that bet with anyone here and it is probably worth 2 to 1 that he won't make the final roster.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 15, 2021 5:24:47 GMT -5
I'll play devil's advocate here. Not sure how serious these charges are. I don't think they are that serious actually.....and who knows?...We may cut him tomorrow. But I suspect he'll have his chance in camp and if he can play he'll be on the team. Maybe he can still be a good player. You never know. The Giants world had completely quit on Corey Webster in 2007. There were no off the field issues, but everyone gave up on him. Even TC had him on special teams exclusively even into the playoffs of 2007. Then he became one of the best cover corners in the NFL. Maybe Beal isn't done yet is my only point. nah...the kid doesnt want it. Easy to see. If he has decided to not want the NFL thats fine but he'll milk it until he's gone. add in the illegal CCW and having weed on him. He's a dumbass too.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jun 15, 2021 8:17:53 GMT -5
I'll play devil's advocate here. Not sure how serious these charges are. I don't think they are that serious actually.....and who knows?...We may cut him tomorrow. But I suspect he'll have his chance in camp and if he can play he'll be on the team. Maybe he can still be a good player. You never know. The Giants world had completely quit on Corey Webster in 2007. There were no off the field issues, but everyone gave up on him. Even TC had him on special teams exclusively even into the playoffs of 2007. Then he became one of the best cover corners in the NFL. Maybe Beal isn't done yet is my only point. I hope you're right MH. It seems like an unlikely scenario at this point, but I do hope the kid has a great camp and is able to be a contributor to the team. Also, I didn't consider prior, but he may not have been able to attend OTAs due to these pending charges. He may not have been allowed to leave the state. Which would at least give a reason why he wasn't there outside of him not wanting to be there.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 15, 2021 8:54:35 GMT -5
I'll play devil's advocate here. Not sure how serious these charges are. I don't think they are that serious actually.....and who knows?...We may cut him tomorrow. But I suspect he'll have his chance in camp and if he can play he'll be on the team. Maybe he can still be a good player. You never know. The Giants world had completely quit on Corey Webster in 2007. There were no off the field issues, but everyone gave up on him. Even TC had him on special teams exclusively even into the playoffs of 2007. Then he became one of the best cover corners in the NFL. Maybe Beal isn't done yet is my only point. and it's a good point. Webster was done I thought. I was wrong and others too. There a way too many unknowns as we circle the Giants. I think of that cold playoff game against brett favre. For every Corey Webster we have hundreds of Will Allen’s. Fans forget, Webster was an all or nothing cornerback. When he was on, he was one of the best in the game. When he was off, he was ez-pass. Everyone was getting by him with no trouble. Sam Beal is not Corey Webster. Webster actually played in games before his breakout season of ‘07. Beal, played with himself. I see no reason why the Giants would keep him at a position that so desperately needs players who can stay healthy. This will be his fourth season.. We know what we have with him. An often injured player who seems more interested in being an NFL player, then playing as one.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 15, 2021 9:05:22 GMT -5
and it's a good point. Webster was done I thought. I was wrong and others too. There a way too many unknowns as we circle the Giants. I think of that cold playoff game against brett favre. For every Corey Webster we have hundreds of Will Allen’s. Fans forget, Webster was an all or nothing cornerback. When he was on, he was one of the best in the game. When he was off, he was ez-pass. Everyone was getting by him with no trouble. Sam Beal is not Corey Webster. Webster actually played in games before his breakout season of ‘07. Beal, played with himself. I see no reason why the Giants would keep him at a position that so desperately needs players who can stay healthy. This will be his fourth season.. We know what we have with him. An often injured player who seems more interested in being an NFL player, then playing as one. Well my point is that we seem to be automatically dismissing him. Maybe it's the appropriate reaction. But sometimes these things turn out differently.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 15, 2021 10:00:04 GMT -5
if Beal really wanted it we would have seen it by now....
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Post by jimmieray on Jun 15, 2021 10:59:50 GMT -5
For every Corey Webster we have hundreds of Will Allen’s. Fans forget, Webster was an all or nothing cornerback. When he was on, he was one of the best in the game. When he was off, he was ez-pass. Everyone was getting by him with no trouble. Sam Beal is not Corey Webster. Webster actually played in games before his breakout season of ‘07. Beal, played with himself. I see no reason why the Giants would keep him at a position that so desperately needs players who can stay healthy. This will be his fourth season.. We know what we have with him. An often injured player who seems more interested in being an NFL player, then playing as one. Well my point is that we seem to be automatically dismissing him. Maybe it's the appropriate reaction. But sometimes these things turn out differently. It's probably easier to hang on hope with a player, when your team is competitive and that roster spot isn't one more thing holding them back. Beal was a comp pick I believe, and we celebrated that gift at a time where our secondary needed help. But then he hangs around useless, through a couple real bad seasons for that unit. That magnifies the scrutiny, and now we likely don't need him anyway.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 15, 2021 12:13:17 GMT -5
For every Corey Webster we have hundreds of Will Allen’s. Fans forget, Webster was an all or nothing cornerback. When he was on, he was one of the best in the game. When he was off, he was ez-pass. Everyone was getting by him with no trouble. Sam Beal is not Corey Webster. Webster actually played in games before his breakout season of ‘07. Beal, played with himself. I see no reason why the Giants would keep him at a position that so desperately needs players who can stay healthy. This will be his fourth season.. We know what we have with him. An often injured player who seems more interested in being an NFL player, then playing as one. Well my point is that we seem to be automatically dismissing him. Maybe it's the appropriate reaction. But sometimes these things turn out differently. As we should. He has played in six games in three years. There is more UFO sightings than our unknown cornerback.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 15, 2021 16:31:10 GMT -5
For every Corey Webster we have hundreds of Will Allen’s. Fans forget, Webster was an all or nothing cornerback. When he was on, he was one of the best in the game. When he was off, he was ez-pass. Everyone was getting by him with no trouble. Sam Beal is not Corey Webster. Webster actually played in games before his breakout season of ‘07. Beal, played with himself. I see no reason why the Giants would keep him at a position that so desperately needs players who can stay healthy. This will be his fourth season.. We know what we have with him. An often injured player who seems more interested in being an NFL player, then playing as one. Well my point is that we seem to be automatically dismissing him. Maybe it's the appropriate reaction. But sometimes these things turn out differently. They do and they can (turn out differently). As a point of discussion, it is a point well made. As a point of odds making, I'll take the "won't" on this one. There are too many red flags with him but anyone who says they would reject a miraculous turnaround by Beal is not being honest.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 15, 2021 16:32:31 GMT -5
and it's a good point. Webster was done I thought. I was wrong and others too. There a way too many unknowns as we circle the Giants. I think of that cold playoff game against brett favre. For every Corey Webster we have hundreds of Will Allen’s. Fans forget, Webster was an all or nothing cornerback. When he was on, he was one of the best in the game. When he was off, he was ez-pass. Everyone was getting by him with no trouble. Sam Beal is not Corey Webster. Webster actually played in games before his breakout season of ‘07. Beal, played with himself. I see no reason why the Giants would keep him at a position that so desperately needs players who can stay healthy. This will be his fourth season.. We know what we have with him. An often injured player who seems more interested in being an NFL player, then playing as one. I agree except that I would insert Hosely for Allen.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 15, 2021 16:43:12 GMT -5
I'll play devil's advocate here. Not sure how serious these charges are. I don't think they are that serious actually.....and who knows?...We may cut him tomorrow. But I suspect he'll have his chance in camp and if he can play he'll be on the team. Maybe he can still be a good player. You never know. The Giants world had completely quit on Corey Webster in 2007. There were no off the field issues, but everyone gave up on him. Even TC had him on special teams exclusively even into the playoffs of 2007. Then he became one of the best cover corners in the NFL. Maybe Beal isn't done yet is my only point. nah...the kid doesnt want it. Easy to see. If he has decided to not want the NFL thats fine but he'll milk it until he's gone. add in the illegal CCW and having weed on him. He's a dumbass too. I agree, if Beal really wanted it he wouldn't be standing around doing nothing and watching it all slip through his fingers...
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 15, 2021 16:43:48 GMT -5
For every Corey Webster we have hundreds of Will Allen’s. Fans forget, Webster was an all or nothing cornerback. When he was on, he was one of the best in the game. When he was off, he was ez-pass. Everyone was getting by him with no trouble. Sam Beal is not Corey Webster. Webster actually played in games before his breakout season of ‘07. Beal, played with himself. I see no reason why the Giants would keep him at a position that so desperately needs players who can stay healthy. This will be his fourth season.. We know what we have with him. An often injured player who seems more interested in being an NFL player, then playing as one. I agree except that I would insert Hosely for Allen. I’ll see your Jayron Hosley, and raise you C.C. Brown.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jun 15, 2021 17:01:47 GMT -5
nah...the kid doesnt want it. Easy to see. If he has decided to not want the NFL thats fine but he'll milk it until he's gone. add in the illegal CCW and having weed on him. He's a dumbass too. I agree, if Beal really wanted it he wouldn't be standing around doing nothing and watching it all slip through his fingers... The only thing I will say is that the charges may have prevented him from attending OTA's as many times when you have pending charges you are not allowed to leave the state. Not exactly a good excuse, but maybe better than him just blowing them off?
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Post by lt56 on Jun 15, 2021 17:09:41 GMT -5
What a Waste of a Pick! Had high hopes for this kid...
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Post by Jomo on Jun 15, 2021 17:12:14 GMT -5
I agree except that I would insert Hosely for Allen. I’ll see your Jayron Hosley, and raise you C.C. Brown. Nicely played!
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 15, 2021 17:51:25 GMT -5
Under the radar horrific pick by Gettleman
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Post by McCherry on Jun 15, 2021 18:35:34 GMT -5
What a Waste of a Pick! Had high hopes for this kid... A 3rd round pick for a player with a second round grade? I think that's a worthwhile risk. Nobody was complaining at the time. When the player doesn't work out, the GM should've seen it coming 4 years ago.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 15, 2021 18:43:25 GMT -5
Under the radar horrific pick by Gettleman You've got weeks to evaluate just a handful of players going into the re-entry draft. If you are going to use a pick that high YOU HAVE TO know everything that makes a young man tick. Would you want him next to you in a fox hole and all that "non measurable" stuff. With so much time for a GM to prepare for a single pick, this was a really bad miss by DG.
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