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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 22, 2021 21:30:20 GMT -5
Did Reese draft Tuck Osi Trade for Eli Draft Snee Diehl find Ohara Draft Brandon Jacobs Amani Toomer Corey Webester to many to name did he run pro personnel when PLex was signed McKenzie or Pierce Kawika Mitchel Boley Canty Rolle. All I'm saying is Gettlemen had as much to do with the Giants past success as Reese. Reese took over a Giants team young and on the rise accorsi left the team in good cap standing with stocked roster. Gettlemen was not afforded any of that nothing even close, these 2 situations are not even comparable No, Ernie did. What’s your point? When Accorsi stepped down, who did he recommend? I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t Dave.. LOL fact is Giants don't win D*** without either man Gettlemens pro personnel department contributed big time and he as a scout did also. Look you guys can twist it up any way you want, Reese never had to draft QB never had to fix the secondary OL or DL and when it was time to he couldn't. He had some nice picks just not enough of them, because of Earnie Reese had an easy start up good cap and team ready to compete. Unfortunately he didn't leave the team the way he received it, actually he left in complete disarray. The team is light years better now then it was 3 and half years ago hopefully it will show in the win loss column other wise you guys will get your wish John Dorsey is available.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 22, 2021 21:31:46 GMT -5
Did Reese draft Tuck Osi Trade for Eli Draft Snee Diehl find Ohara Draft Brandon Jacobs Amani Toomer Corey Webester to many to name did he run pro personnel when PLex was signed McKenzie or Pierce Kawika Mitchel Boley Canty Rolle. All I'm saying is Gettlemen had as much to do with the Giants past success as Reese. Reese took over a Giants team young and on the rise accorsi left the team in good cap standing with stocked roster. Gettlemen was not afforded any of that nothing even close, these 2 situations are not even comparable No, Ernie did. What’s your point? When Accorsi stepped down, who did he recommend? I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t Dave.. Funny no winning seasons after DG left the organization thats the point.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 22, 2021 21:55:38 GMT -5
No, Ernie did. What’s your point? When Accorsi stepped down, who did he recommend? I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t Dave.. LOL fact is Giants don't win D*** without either man Gettlemens pro personnel department contributed big time and he as a scout did also. Look you guys can twist it up any way you want, Reese never had to draft QB never had to fix the secondary OL or DL and when it was time to he couldn't. He had some nice picks just not enough of them, because of Earnie Reese had an easy start up good cap and team ready to compete. Unfortunately he didn't leave the team the way he received it, actually he left in complete disarray. The team is light years better now then it was 3 and half years ago hopefully it will show in the win loss column other wise you guys will get your wish John Dorsey is available. Your age is showing.. I was one of the few who wanted Reese gone at the end of his tenure. However, I’m also not going to blindly evaluate his time here like so many here do. You’re right, Reese did inherit a good roster when he got the job as GM. To his credit, when he was director of player personal from ‘04-07. He helped build the foundation to help us become a formidable team. He didn’t work his way from scout, director of player personal, and lastly GM because of luck. Hard work and preparation got him the advancement. And I agree about the team Dave took over in ‘18. It was in shambles, and he tore down the roster not once, but twice. However, he had the 2nd overall pick, followed by the 6th and the 11th. Most general managers would give their left nut to have those high picks three straight years. What did he give us in that time span? Three straight losing seasons, followed up with back to back years of maxing out his credit in free agency. Now, we can finally say we have a team that can compete in the NFC Least..
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 22, 2021 21:58:49 GMT -5
No, Ernie did. What’s your point? When Accorsi stepped down, who did he recommend? I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t Dave.. Funny no winning seasons after DG left the organization thats the point. And no winning seasons since he returned.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 22, 2021 22:22:04 GMT -5
LOL fact is Giants don't win D*** without either man Gettlemens pro personnel department contributed big time and he as a scout did also. Look you guys can twist it up any way you want, Reese never had to draft QB never had to fix the secondary OL or DL and when it was time to he couldn't. He had some nice picks just not enough of them, because of Earnie Reese had an easy start up good cap and team ready to compete. Unfortunately he didn't leave the team the way he received it, actually he left in complete disarray. The team is light years better now then it was 3 and half years ago hopefully it will show in the win loss column other wise you guys will get your wish John Dorsey is available. Your age is showing.. I was one of the few who wanted Reese gone at the end of his tenure. However, I’m also not going to blindly evaluate his time here like so many here do. You’re right, Reese did inherit a good roster when he got the job as GM. To his credit, when he was director of player personal from ‘04-07. He helped build the foundation to help us become a formidable team. He didn’t work his way from scout, director of player personal, and lastly GM because of luck. Hard work and preparation got him the advancement. And I agree about the team Dave took over in ‘18. It was in shambles, and he tore down the roster not once, but twice. However, he had the 2nd overall pick, followed by the 6th and the 11th. Most general managers would give their left nut to have those high picks three straight years. What did he gives us in that time span? Three straight losing seasons, followed up with back to back years of maxing out his credit in free agency. Now, we can finally say we have a team that compete in the NFC Least.. I'm nat taking anything from Reese but Gettlemen was part of that building of those teams also and a big part Earnie said it was a tough choice for him but Jerry was a life long Giant and earned the chance to be GM. Gettlemen has worked the cap masterfully after being left with an empty roster and not much money. This year could get sketchy if it doesn't work out I agree there. In the end if these free agent signing work out they are set in the draft2022 to become a solid contender . This was a big Job and I don't care about like or dislike but Gettlemen has gotten a lot out of his drafts and so far his fee agency signing once they cleared the roster and cap not saying he didn't have misses he has wheeled and dealer and gotten a lot of first round talent on this roster . Guys who act like this was easy it wasn't they had a lot invested cap wise in that 2017 roster and ownership I'm sure was on board seeing who and what was salvagable by October think from top to bottom they all agreed not much was. Every GM misses the bottom line is I never hated Reese nor Gettlemen but Reese was missing at an alarming rate that is why he is gone maybe he was a better scout and right hand man then GM. All I can say is The Giants have rebuilt from top to bottom front office scouting changed the way it's done and their analytics are starting to not be a joke anymore they have come a long way in 3.5 years as an organization, now if they don't win the new GM is gonna walk into a pretty nice situation lots of draft capital and a pretty good young roster Cap will be tight for a year or 2.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 22, 2021 22:39:23 GMT -5
Funny no winning seasons after DG left the organization thats the point. And no winning seasons since he returned. This is true but as I said he wasn't afforded a head start actually he started in a Deep hole. The problem I have and not saying you but there are some here that will not give DG credit for getting Carolina out of a 17 mill over the cap hell and building a 15-1 team was it superbowl team in 3 years, sighting he didn't draft Newton or kechkley but in the same breath give JR all the credit in the world on a team that he didn't trade for or draft the QB or build the OL or DL this team doesn't win eather superbowl with out JR or DG they both contributed big time to both of those teams. I don't agree with people who act like Gettlemen is some dope he went out and got a struggling Panthers franchise on track and to a superbowl, again made the right move lifting the tag off Norman and drafting Bradberry at the time it was controversial, Norman never lived up to that contract in Washington.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 23, 2021 8:58:09 GMT -5
I guess when it comes to Gettleman you either like him or hate him, no middle ground here... Either way, though, to say that he has done more than Reese is a little nutty, no? depends on whether you like the guy or not, personally I think he tries very hard and yes he makes some screwups but what GM doesn't...
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Post by Roswell on Jun 23, 2021 9:42:18 GMT -5
I guess when it comes to Gettleman you either like him or hate him, no middle ground here... Either way, though, to say that he has done more than Reese is a little nutty, no? Would it be fair to say Reese walked into a much better situation than Gettleman did?
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 23, 2021 10:26:42 GMT -5
No, Ernie did. What’s your point? When Accorsi stepped down, who did he recommend? I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t Dave.. You know that how ,they were both up for the Job . I know it because I read. Try it sometime.. “Accorsi promoted Reese to director of player personnel on May 1, 2002. And when Accorsi decided to retire, he told the team’s owners that Reese should be his replacement.” “After interviewing at least four other candidates, the Giants’ president, John Mara, and treasurer, Jonathan Tisch, whose families share ownership of the Giants, agreed.” www.nytimes.com/2007/01/16/sports/football/16giants.htmlCongrats, you copied his Wikipedia page. I know all about what he has done in his career. What has he done here? Besides make a fan base forget what winning feels like. Dave Gettleman GM tenure for the NY Giants. 15-33 No playoff appearances His resume as a General Manager for the NY Giants should be used as a dartboard. Yup , since you ignored the facts ,it was pertinent to the discussion.. I didn’t ignore anything. We’re discussing what he has done as a GM of the Giants. Not his life story.. You seem to dance around facts like a sombrero.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 23, 2021 10:52:40 GMT -5
Your age is showing.. I was one of the few who wanted Reese gone at the end of his tenure. However, I’m also not going to blindly evaluate his time here like so many here do. You’re right, Reese did inherit a good roster when he got the job as GM. To his credit, when he was director of player personal from ‘04-07. He helped build the foundation to help us become a formidable team. He didn’t work his way from scout, director of player personal, and lastly GM because of luck. Hard work and preparation got him the advancement. And I agree about the team Dave took over in ‘18. It was in shambles, and he tore down the roster not once, but twice. However, he had the 2nd overall pick, followed by the 6th and the 11th. Most general managers would give their left nut to have those high picks three straight years. What did he gives us in that time span? Three straight losing seasons, followed up with back to back years of maxing out his credit in free agency. Now, we can finally say we have a team that compete in the NFC Least.. I'm nat taking anything from Reese but Gettlemen was part of that building of those teams also and a big part Earnie said it was a tough choice for him but Jerry was a life long Giant and earned the chance to be GM. Gettlemen has worked the cap masterfully after being left with an empty roster and not much money. This year could get sketchy if it doesn't work out I agree there. In the end if these free agent signing work out they are set in the draft2022 to become a solid contender . This was a big Job and I don't care about like or dislike but Gettlemen has gotten a lot out of his drafts and so far his fee agency signing once they cleared the roster and cap not saying he didn't have misses he has wheeled and dealer and gotten a lot of first round talent on this roster . Guys who act like this was easy it wasn't they had a lot invested cap wise in that 2017 roster and ownership I'm sure was on board seeing who and what was salvagable by October think from top to bottom they all agreed not much was. Every GM misses the bottom line is I never hated Reese nor Gettlemen but Reese was missing at an alarming rate that is why he is gone maybe he was a better scout and right hand man then GM. All I can say is The Giants have rebuilt from top to bottom front office scouting changed the way it's done and their analytics are starting to not be a joke anymore they have come a long way in 3.5 years as an organization, now if they don't win the new GM is gonna walk into a pretty nice situation lots of draft capital and a pretty good young roster Cap will be tight for a year or 2. You take nothing away from Reese, but said he hasn’t won dick since Gettleman left. You have a funny way of giving someone a compliment. By the way, the Giants went 11-5 when Gettleman was licking his wounds in Carolina. No one is acting like what Dave did was easy, nothing is easy at this level. You know how difficult it is? Jerry Reese has rings and winning seasons on his resume. And he can’t buy a job in the NFL right now. What I find hypocritical is the same things Reese gets slammed for, Gettleman gets a pass. Reese spends money, he wasted our resources. Gettleman spends money, it was a wise investment. Reese misses on draft picks, he’s a bum. Gettleman misses, it’s part of the business. Fans have to be consistent, if not your opinion means shit.. All the excuses have been used up. No longer will I have to hear you and the other Gettleman apologetics about his performance. It’s now or never, and we will see if his “hard work” comes to fruition.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 23, 2021 11:03:11 GMT -5
I know it because I read. Try it sometime.. “Accorsi promoted Reese to director of player personnel on May 1, 2002. And when Accorsi decided to retire, he told the team’s owners that Reese should be his replacement.” “After interviewing at least four other candidates, the Giants’ president, John Mara, and treasurer, Jonathan Tisch, whose families share ownership of the Giants, agreed.” www.nytimes.com/2007/01/16/sports/football/16giants.htmlI didn’t ignore anything. We’re discussing what he has done as a GM of the Giants. Not his life story.. You seem to dance around facts like a sombrero. LOL, your hate for DG leaves you blind to the facts ,not dancing I gave you legitimate facts that argued against your bias agenda. Your the one who used the word resume and ignored Dave's ,I just pointed it out . For the record. I don’t hate Dave, I hate his body of work as GM. Losing shouldn’t be rationalized, it should be scrutinized..
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Post by jmike on Jun 23, 2021 11:11:09 GMT -5
LOL, your hate for DG leaves you blind to the facts ,not dancing I gave you legitimate facts that argued against your bias agenda. Your the one who used the word resume and ignored Dave's ,I just pointed it out . For the record. I don’t hate Dave, I hate his body of work as GM. Losing shouldn’t be rationalized, it should be scrutinized.. That is a fair comment. But if you think what the whiners are doing is scrutinizing, then you must think the passed-out-drunk teenager is wine tasting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 11:12:00 GMT -5
I'm nat taking anything from Reese but Gettlemen was part of that building of those teams also and a big part Earnie said it was a tough choice for him but Jerry was a life long Giant and earned the chance to be GM. Gettlemen has worked the cap masterfully after being left with an empty roster and not much money. This year could get sketchy if it doesn't work out I agree there. In the end if these free agent signing work out they are set in the draft2022 to become a solid contender . This was a big Job and I don't care about like or dislike but Gettlemen has gotten a lot out of his drafts and so far his fee agency signing once they cleared the roster and cap not saying he didn't have misses he has wheeled and dealer and gotten a lot of first round talent on this roster . Guys who act like this was easy it wasn't they had a lot invested cap wise in that 2017 roster and ownership I'm sure was on board seeing who and what was salvagable by October think from top to bottom they all agreed not much was. Every GM misses the bottom line is I never hated Reese nor Gettlemen but Reese was missing at an alarming rate that is why he is gone maybe he was a better scout and right hand man then GM. All I can say is The Giants have rebuilt from top to bottom front office scouting changed the way it's done and their analytics are starting to not be a joke anymore they have come a long way in 3.5 years as an organization, now if they don't win the new GM is gonna walk into a pretty nice situation lots of draft capital and a pretty good young roster Cap will be tight for a year or 2. You take nothing away from Reese, but said he hasn’t won dick since Gettleman left. You have a funny way of giving someone a compliment. By the way, the Giants went 11-5 when Gettleman was licking his wounds in Carolina. No one is acting like what Dave did was easy, nothing is easy at this level. You know how difficult it is? Jerry Reese has rings and winning seasons on his resume. And he can’t buy a job in the NFL right now. What I find hypocritical is the same things Reese gets slammed for, Gettleman gets a pass. Reese spends money, he wasted our resources. Gettleman spends money, it was a wise investment. Reese misses on draft picks, he’s a bum. Gettleman misses, it’s part of the business. Fans have to be consistent, if not your opinion means shit.. All the excuses have been used up. No longer will I have to hear you and the other Gettleman apologetics about his performance. It’s now or never, and we will see if his “hard work” comes to fruition. I find the consistency to be lacking also which makes having a good discussion very tough..
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 23, 2021 11:32:19 GMT -5
Either way, though, to say that he has done more than Reese is a little nutty, no? Would it be fair to say Reese walked into a much better situation than Gettleman did? I guess … but we won 2 SB’s on his watch. Gettleman has yet to break 6 wins in 3 full seasons. I don’t think that there is any basis whatsoever to say that he has been better than Reese. That could certainly change in the future, but don’t see how that statement can be made based on the work to date.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 23, 2021 11:51:06 GMT -5
Did Reese draft Tuck Osi Trade for Eli Draft Snee Diehl find Ohara Draft Brandon Jacobs Amani Toomer Corey Webester to many to name did he run pro personnel when PLex was signed McKenzie or Pierce Kawika Mitchel Boley Canty Rolle. All I'm saying is Gettlemen had as much to do with the Giants past success as Reese. Reese took over a Giants team young and on the rise accorsi left the team in good cap standing with stocked roster. Gettlemen was not afforded any of that nothing even close, these 2 situations are not even comparable No, Ernie did. What’s your point? When Accorsi stepped down, who did he recommend? I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t Dave.. What does that matter now? One currently has a job (at age 70) one has been exiled from the NFL.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 23, 2021 12:35:01 GMT -5
No, Ernie did. What’s your point? When Accorsi stepped down, who did he recommend? I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t Dave.. What does that matter now? One currently has a job (at age 70) one has been exiled from the NFL. That’s the thing about butting in a conversation. You have no idea what we’re talking about. Blue decided to ramble about all that Ernie has done in his career, which I’m sure he copied from me years back when I was on my “defend Ernie campaign.” So, with all the talk about how much Dave has meant to the organization, I brought that when the time was who to promote to GM. Accorsi recommended Jerry Reese. Of course, fans want to diminish how he got the job. Point is, the Giants and Ernie felt Reese was the best candidate for the position. Yes, one is unemployed, the other is dangling by his short hairs..
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Post by vinnie on Jun 23, 2021 12:40:34 GMT -5
No, Ernie did. What’s your point? When Accorsi stepped down, who did he recommend? I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t Dave.. LOL fact is Giants don't win D*** without either man Gettlemens pro personnel department contributed big time and he as a scout did also. Look you guys can twist it up any way you want, Reese never had to draft QB never had to fix the secondary OL or DL and when it was time to he couldn't. He had some nice picks just not enough of them, because of Earnie Reese had an easy start up good cap and team ready to compete. Unfortunately he didn't leave the team the way he received it, actually he left in complete disarray. The team is light years better now then it was 3 and half years ago hopefully it will show in the win loss column other wise you guys will get your wish John Dorsey is available. Light years better? As of now the O line is worse, the WR’s are worse, the QB is worse, and the D line is worse. Reese never had as many top 10 picks as Gettleman has had either. The Giants have been the worse team in the league when you combine all the years DG has been GM, Reese never even came close to having that honor. Plus, what GM is dumb enough to draft a RB with the 2nd overall pick, especially when a team has never been in such an obvious state of needing a complete rebuild? He should have been fired immediately after drafting Barkley.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 23, 2021 12:41:10 GMT -5
I'm nat taking anything from Reese but Gettlemen was part of that building of those teams also and a big part Earnie said it was a tough choice for him but Jerry was a life long Giant and earned the chance to be GM. Gettlemen has worked the cap masterfully after being left with an empty roster and not much money. This year could get sketchy if it doesn't work out I agree there. In the end if these free agent signing work out they are set in the draft2022 to become a solid contender . This was a big Job and I don't care about like or dislike but Gettlemen has gotten a lot out of his drafts and so far his fee agency signing once they cleared the roster and cap not saying he didn't have misses he has wheeled and dealer and gotten a lot of first round talent on this roster . Guys who act like this was easy it wasn't they had a lot invested cap wise in that 2017 roster and ownership I'm sure was on board seeing who and what was salvagable by October think from top to bottom they all agreed not much was. Every GM misses the bottom line is I never hated Reese nor Gettlemen but Reese was missing at an alarming rate that is why he is gone maybe he was a better scout and right hand man then GM. All I can say is The Giants have rebuilt from top to bottom front office scouting changed the way it's done and their analytics are starting to not be a joke anymore they have come a long way in 3.5 years as an organization, now if they don't win the new GM is gonna walk into a pretty nice situation lots of draft capital and a pretty good young roster Cap will be tight for a year or 2. You take nothing away from Reese, but said he hasn’t won dick since Gettleman left. You have a funny way of giving someone a compliment. By the way, the Giants went 11-5 when Gettleman was licking his wounds in Carolina. No one is acting like what Dave did was easy, nothing is easy at this level. You know how difficult it is? Jerry Reese has rings and winning seasons on his resume. And he can’t buy a job in the NFL right now. What I find hypocritical is the same things Reese gets slammed for, Gettleman gets a pass. Reese spends money, he wasted our resources. Gettleman spends money, it was a wise investment. Reese misses on draft picks, he’s a bum. Gettleman misses, it’s part of the business. Fans have to be consistent, if not your opinion means shit.. All the excuses have been used up. No longer will I have to hear you and the other Gettleman apologetics about his performance. It’s now or never, and we will see if his “hard work” comes to fruition. LOL the only hypocritical thing. Reese missed entire drafts every pick in some and only hit on one or two picks in several others. 11-5 you need to hang that up it was a mirage and a 4 years set back for the franchise paying for the cap hell their 1 playoff appearance cost them to show up like a bunch of bums to the party made it worse, I'm not BSing these are facts, JR got a ready made team that he and Gettlemen helped put together, when he was left with his right hand man Ross it took 7 or 8 lousy drafts and free agency periods to destroy the franchise and team Gettlemen is in his fourth season of repairing that damage he will never see the leash Reese got because Mara learned hopefully. They are not even close to comparable when we say every GM makes mistakes that is a fact blowing complete drafts are franchise wrecking mistakes. There are no Apologies for DG he has made some mistakes and has done some really good things this free agency period could sink him or save him.
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Post by jmike on Jun 23, 2021 12:41:32 GMT -5
What does that matter now? One currently has a job (at age 70) one has been exiled from the NFL. That’s the thing about butting in a conversation. You have no idea what we’re talking about. Blue decided to ramble about all that Ernie has done in his career, which I’m sure he copied from me years back when I was on my “defend Ernie campaign.” So, with all the talk about how much Dave has meant to the organization, I brought that when the time was who to promote to GM. Accorsi recommended Jerry Reese. Of course, fans want to diminish how he got the job. Point is, the Giants and Ernie felt Reese was the best candidate for the position. Yes, one is unemployed, the other is dangling by his short hairs.. I still think Reese would have been a fine GM if he was willing to admit his mistakes and fix them rather than holding on in the hope it would work out. Key piece was Ross, who was objectively horrible. He was not well regarded around the league either. If he had seen that and fired him, things would have been different here. And likely would be a GM now, even if no longer with the Giants. I think that inability to make necessary changes is what has kept him from getting another GM job.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 23, 2021 12:47:21 GMT -5
I'm nat taking anything from Reese but Gettlemen was part of that building of those teams also and a big part Earnie said it was a tough choice for him but Jerry was a life long Giant and earned the chance to be GM. Gettlemen has worked the cap masterfully after being left with an empty roster and not much money. This year could get sketchy if it doesn't work out I agree there. In the end if these free agent signing work out they are set in the draft2022 to become a solid contender . This was a big Job and I don't care about like or dislike but Gettlemen has gotten a lot out of his drafts and so far his fee agency signing once they cleared the roster and cap not saying he didn't have misses he has wheeled and dealer and gotten a lot of first round talent on this roster . Guys who act like this was easy it wasn't they had a lot invested cap wise in that 2017 roster and ownership I'm sure was on board seeing who and what was salvagable by October think from top to bottom they all agreed not much was. Every GM misses the bottom line is I never hated Reese nor Gettlemen but Reese was missing at an alarming rate that is why he is gone maybe he was a better scout and right hand man then GM. All I can say is The Giants have rebuilt from top to bottom front office scouting changed the way it's done and their analytics are starting to not be a joke anymore they have come a long way in 3.5 years as an organization, now if they don't win the new GM is gonna walk into a pretty nice situation lots of draft capital and a pretty good young roster Cap will be tight for a year or 2. You take nothing away from Reese, but said he hasn’t won dick since Gettleman left. You have a funny way of giving someone a compliment. By the way, the Giants went 11-5 when Gettleman was licking his wounds in Carolina. No one is acting like what Dave did was easy, nothing is easy at this level. You know how difficult it is? Jerry Reese has rings and winning seasons on his resume. And he can’t buy a job in the NFL right now. What I find hypocritical is the same things Reese gets slammed for, Gettleman gets a pass. Reese spends money, he wasted our resources. Gettleman spends money, it was a wise investment. Reese misses on draft picks, he’s a bum. Gettleman misses, it’s part of the business. Fans have to be consistent, if not your opinion means shit.. All the excuses have been used up. No longer will I have to hear you and the other Gettleman apologetics about his performance. It’s now or never, and we will see if his “hard work” comes to fruition. Actually the statement was the Giants don't win Dick without either one Gettlemen or Reese. And that is fact also Gettlemens department and while he was scouting contributed big time to both championships just Like JR s input on the draft helped steer EA in the right direction. As I said maybe Reese was better #2 then being the top dog maybe he was better off working the draft and overseeing the scouts.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 23, 2021 12:53:02 GMT -5
You take nothing away from Reese, but said he hasn’t won dick since Gettleman left. You have a funny way of giving someone a compliment. By the way, the Giants went 11-5 when Gettleman was licking his wounds in Carolina. No one is acting like what Dave did was easy, nothing is easy at this level. You know how difficult it is? Jerry Reese has rings and winning seasons on his resume. And he can’t buy a job in the NFL right now. What I find hypocritical is the same things Reese gets slammed for, Gettleman gets a pass. Reese spends money, he wasted our resources. Gettleman spends money, it was a wise investment. Reese misses on draft picks, he’s a bum. Gettleman misses, it’s part of the business. Fans have to be consistent, if not your opinion means shit.. All the excuses have been used up. No longer will I have to hear you and the other Gettleman apologetics about his performance. It’s now or never, and we will see if his “hard work” comes to fruition. LOL the only hypocritical thing. Reese missed entire drafts every pick in some and only hit on one or two picks in several others. 11-5 you need to hang that up it was a mirage and a 4 years set back for the franchise paying for the cap hell their 1 playoff appearance cost them to show up like a bunch of bums to the party made it worse, I'm not BSing these are facts, JR got a ready made team that he and Gettlemen helped put together, when he was left with his right hand man Ross it took 7 or 8 lousy drafts and free agency periods to destroy the franchise and team Gettlemen is in his fourth season of repairing that damage he will never see the leash Reese got because Mara learned hopefully. They are not even close to comparable when we say every GM makes mistakes that is a fact blowing complete drafts are franchise wrecking mistakes. There are no Apologies for DG he has made some mistakes and has done some really good things this free agency period could sink him or save him. You keep harping on what Dave inherited as a GM. He took over an NFL team, not Enron. Granted, it wasn’t the most talented roster in the league. However, it wasn’t a roster of scabs. I’m still waiting on him to “kick ass” Which he must have meant for the opposition.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 23, 2021 12:56:05 GMT -5
You take nothing away from Reese, but said he hasn’t won dick since Gettleman left. You have a funny way of giving someone a compliment. By the way, the Giants went 11-5 when Gettleman was licking his wounds in Carolina. No one is acting like what Dave did was easy, nothing is easy at this level. You know how difficult it is? Jerry Reese has rings and winning seasons on his resume. And he can’t buy a job in the NFL right now. What I find hypocritical is the same things Reese gets slammed for, Gettleman gets a pass. Reese spends money, he wasted our resources. Gettleman spends money, it was a wise investment. Reese misses on draft picks, he’s a bum. Gettleman misses, it’s part of the business. Fans have to be consistent, if not your opinion means shit.. All the excuses have been used up. No longer will I have to hear you and the other Gettleman apologetics about his performance. It’s now or never, and we will see if his “hard work” comes to fruition. Actually the statement was the Giants don't win Dick without either one Gettlemen or Reese. And that is fact also Gettlemens department and while he was scouting contributed big time to both championships just Like JR s input on the draft helped steer EA in the right direction. As I said maybe Reese was better #2 then being the top dog maybe he was better off working the draft and overseeing the scouts. Whatever you say Dave. Come back to reality, the water is fine, and the food is delicious. I’ll save you a piece of humble pie..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 23, 2021 13:09:13 GMT -5
Actually the statement was the Giants don't win Dick without either one Gettlemen or Reese. And that is fact also Gettlemens department and while he was scouting contributed big time to both championships just Like JR s input on the draft helped steer EA in the right direction. As I said maybe Reese was better #2 then being the top dog maybe he was better off working the draft and overseeing the scouts. Whatever you say Dave. Come back to reality, the water is fine, and the food is delicious. I’ll save you a piece of humble pie.. LOL guess the truth isn't good enough Reese had a miserable 7/8 years. If Jones or free agency doesn't workout he's gone best to keep your feelings out of it Jerry LOL.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 23, 2021 13:13:48 GMT -5
LOL the only hypocritical thing. Reese missed entire drafts every pick in some and only hit on one or two picks in several others. 11-5 you need to hang that up it was a mirage and a 4 years set back for the franchise paying for the cap hell their 1 playoff appearance cost them to show up like a bunch of bums to the party made it worse, I'm not BSing these are facts, JR got a ready made team that he and Gettlemen helped put together, when he was left with his right hand man Ross it took 7 or 8 lousy drafts and free agency periods to destroy the franchise and team Gettlemen is in his fourth season of repairing that damage he will never see the leash Reese got because Mara learned hopefully. They are not even close to comparable when we say every GM makes mistakes that is a fact blowing complete drafts are franchise wrecking mistakes. There are no Apologies for DG he has made some mistakes and has done some really good things this free agency period could sink him or save him. You keep harping on what Dave inherited as a GM. He took over an NFL team, not Enron. Granted, it wasn’t the most talented roster in the league. However, it wasn’t a roster of scabs. I’m still waiting on him to “kick ass” Which he must have meant for the opposition. They were not good but if you insist enjoy the fantasy every one of them are either out of league or situational type guys. 3 and a half years thats what Gettlemen has invested so far as I said if the QB or the free agent spending spree doesn't work out he will be gone.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 23, 2021 13:20:12 GMT -5
LOL fact is Giants don't win D*** without either man Gettlemens pro personnel department contributed big time and he as a scout did also. Look you guys can twist it up any way you want, Reese never had to draft QB never had to fix the secondary OL or DL and when it was time to he couldn't. He had some nice picks just not enough of them, because of Earnie Reese had an easy start up good cap and team ready to compete. Unfortunately he didn't leave the team the way he received it, actually he left in complete disarray. The team is light years better now then it was 3 and half years ago hopefully it will show in the win loss column other wise you guys will get your wish John Dorsey is available. Light years better? As of now the O line is worse, the WR’s are worse, the QB is worse, and the D line is worse. Reese never had as many top 10 picks as Gettleman has had either. The Giants have been the worse team in the league when you combine all the years DG has been GM, Reese never even came close to having that honor. Plus, what GM is dumb enough to draft a RB with the 2nd overall pick, especially when a team has never been in such an obvious state of needing a complete rebuild? He should have been fired immediately after drafting Barkley. What? What? What? What? And you’re saying Dave should be fired for drafting the best payer on the team? What?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 23, 2021 13:24:26 GMT -5
LOL fact is Giants don't win D*** without either man Gettlemens pro personnel department contributed big time and he as a scout did also. Look you guys can twist it up any way you want, Reese never had to draft QB never had to fix the secondary OL or DL and when it was time to he couldn't. He had some nice picks just not enough of them, because of Earnie Reese had an easy start up good cap and team ready to compete. Unfortunately he didn't leave the team the way he received it, actually he left in complete disarray. The team is light years better now then it was 3 and half years ago hopefully it will show in the win loss column other wise you guys will get your wish John Dorsey is available. Light years better? As of now the O line is worse, the WR’s are worse, the QB is worse, and the D line is worse. Reese never had as many top 10 picks as Gettleman has had either. The Giants have been the worse team in the league when you combine all the years DG has been GM, Reese never even came close to having that honor. Plus, what GM is dumb enough to draft a RB with the 2nd overall pick, especially when a team has never been in such an obvious state of needing a complete rebuild? He should have been fired immediately after drafting Barkley. 2017 was the worst team in the league, then again they were battling against themselves and the Browns in 2014 and 2015, as far as OL goes this lins is young and better then Flowers Pugh Richberg Jerry Newhouse, Sorry the last 3 years the team has been trending up Barkely if used right is his rookie year 2000 yards combined a 12 TDs and a threat to take to the house in the running game or passing game on any play at anytime not all RBs are the same when you have one who can run the route tree and carry the rock that is called a multi faceted weapon that takes pressure off the rest of the offense.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 23, 2021 13:25:11 GMT -5
What does that matter now? One currently has a job (at age 70) one has been exiled from the NFL. That’s the thing about butting in a conversation. You have no idea what we’re talking about. Blue decided to ramble about all that Ernie has done in his career, which I’m sure he copied from me years back when I was on my “defend Ernie campaign.” So, with all the talk about how much Dave has meant to the organization, I brought that when the time was who to promote to GM. Accorsi recommended Jerry Reese. Of course, fans want to diminish how he got the job. Point is, the Giants and Ernie felt Reese was the best candidate for the position. Yes, one is unemployed, the other is dangling by his short hairs.. I know what the conversation is about. I'm asking how is the decision to hire Reese over Gettleman relevant? Especially after Gettleman was hired to replace Reese.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 23, 2021 13:27:30 GMT -5
Light years better? As of now the O line is worse, the WR’s are worse, the QB is worse, and the D line is worse. Reese never had as many top 10 picks as Gettleman has had either. The Giants have been the worse team in the league when you combine all the years DG has been GM, Reese never even came close to having that honor. Plus, what GM is dumb enough to draft a RB with the 2nd overall pick, especially when a team has never been in such an obvious state of needing a complete rebuild? He should have been fired immediately after drafting Barkley. What? What? What? What? Vinnie is just getting riled up reese did have a lot of top tens but yes Gettlemen has had more through trades the only one who didn't live up to his 1st round status so far is Baker. Right now Toney is a bit scary
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Post by vinnie on Jun 23, 2021 13:34:05 GMT -5
Light years better? As of now the O line is worse, the WR’s are worse, the QB is worse, and the D line is worse. Reese never had as many top 10 picks as Gettleman has had either. The Giants have been the worse team in the league when you combine all the years DG has been GM, Reese never even came close to having that honor. Plus, what GM is dumb enough to draft a RB with the 2nd overall pick, especially when a team has never been in such an obvious state of needing a complete rebuild? He should have been fired immediately after drafting Barkley. What? What? What? What? And you’re saying Dave should be fired for drafting the best payer on the team? What? Yes. Drafting a RB with the 2nd overall pick is probably the worst move a GM can make, especially considering how bad the team was at the time. Not only is drafting a RB that high unforgivable and set the team back a couple years but to draft a RB that high with no O line is pure negligence. Not only was the pick horrible but the fact that he didn’t see how bad the O line was is alarming for someone who’s job it is to evaluate talent.
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Post by vinnie on Jun 23, 2021 13:35:30 GMT -5
Vinnie is just getting riled up reese did have a lot of top tens but yes Gettlemen has had more through trades the only one who didn't live up to his 1st round status so far is Baker. Right now Toney is a bit scary Lol, I am easily riled, especially when it comes to something I care about so much (although I shouldn’t)
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