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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 23, 2021 16:01:02 GMT -5
Saquon has never been the best or most valuable player on our team. He is, however, compensated to the level of a top 5 rb in the league. Guys on rookie deals are supposed to be a bargain, not already getting paid tops at their position. And even if he was it goes to show you how terrible DG has done and how taking a RB 2 overall reduces your resources in getting great players.He was absolutely the best player in 2018. At very least the second-best player in 2019. You mean like Bradberry, Martinez, Williams, Golloday, Jackson, Rudolph? He was the best player hands down 2018 and 19 out produced OBJ by a mile in 2018
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Post by imgrate on Jun 23, 2021 16:09:27 GMT -5
Saquon has never been the best or most valuable player on our team. He is, however, compensated to the level of a top 5 rb in the league. Guys on rookie deals are supposed to be a bargain, not already getting paid tops at their position. And even if he was it goes to show you how terrible DG has done and how taking a RB 2 overall reduces your resources in getting great players. Who was better his first year he out performed OBJ by large margin especially he was IMHO year 2 can't think of someone better either We still had Odell and Landon Collins. And just to be a dick, Aldrick Rosas also that year.
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Post by imgrate on Jun 23, 2021 16:11:18 GMT -5
Saquon has never been the best or most valuable player on our team. He is, however, compensated to the level of a top 5 rb in the league. Guys on rookie deals are supposed to be a bargain, not already getting paid tops at their position. And even if he was it goes to show you how terrible DG has done and how taking a RB 2 overall reduces your resources in getting great players.He was absolutely the best player in 2018. At very least the second-best player in 2019. You mean like Bradberry, Martinez, Williams, Golloday, Jackson, Rudolph? Golladay, Jackson, and Rudolph haven't played a down for us...
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Post by McCherry on Jun 23, 2021 16:22:55 GMT -5
He was absolutely the best player in 2018. At very least the second-best player in 2019. You mean like Bradberry, Martinez, Williams, Golloday, Jackson, Rudolph? Golladay, Jackson, and Rudolph haven't played a down for us... That's not the discussion. You said Barkley's salary reduces our resources from acquiring top players. Which is not clearly not true.
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Post by imgrate on Jun 23, 2021 16:52:30 GMT -5
Golladay, Jackson, and Rudolph haven't played a down for us... That's not the discussion. You said Barkley's salary reduces our resources from acquiring top players. Which is not clearly not true. What are you talking about? SQB cap number is 10million this year. Golladay and Jackson's combined cap hit is 10million this year. So, we'd be able to sign two more top players..
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Post by GameTime on Jun 23, 2021 17:43:45 GMT -5
always figured a QB who has happy feet and wont stand tall in the pocket would be the biggest issue. We have a guy who will sit in there oblivious to whats around him. A great trait if he can get it under control. A guy who sits in the pocket oblivious to what is around him is the definition of having no pocket awareness. That is not a good trait to have. what I meant was he has the guts to stand in there he just has to get more aware. I didnt word that quite right initially.
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Post by SG88 on Jun 23, 2021 18:59:08 GMT -5
Can we copy and paste the same excuses we gave Eli for his turnovers? I'm just kidding!
In all seriousness, I hope that he decreases that amount significantly for his sake and ours.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 23, 2021 19:44:28 GMT -5
Who was better his first year he out performed OBJ by large margin especially he was IMHO year 2 can't think of someone better either We still had Odell and Landon Collins. And just to be a dick, Aldrick Rosas also that year. Odell was not close to Barkely in TD production and yards LC love d his game but he was overrated was a good player not great washington gave him 14 mill a year he was worth maybe 8. Barkely has done things in his first 2 years behind a suspect OL on 2 or 3 other players have done in the history of this league Obj is the only one that would be close but he out paced him with 15 TD and 2000 his rookie year and 14 and 6 TDs in 13 games his second year.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 23, 2021 20:27:26 GMT -5
what I meant was he has the guts to stand in there he just has to get more aware. I didnt word that quite right initially. oh, lol... yeah. Phrasing could be better. I agree that he's not scared to stand in the pocket but with his penchant for not understanding defenses and not having a strong grip that toughness can also be his weakness. Which his brief tenure thus far has already proven. well not understanding/slow to process a defense for a second year QB is not unrealistic. He missed wide open reads a few times and other time he was waiting for guys to get open. Jones has all the tolls to be a very good NFL QB if he gets the fumbles and pocket awareness improved. Year 3 is the magic number either way.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 23, 2021 20:35:45 GMT -5
That's not the discussion. You said Barkley's salary reduces our resources from acquiring top players. Which is not clearly not true. What are you talking about? SQB cap number is 10million this year. Golladay and Jackson's combined cap hit is 10million this year. So, we'd be able to sign two more top players.. The Giants spent over $200 Million on 16 free agents this offseason, how much more do you want them to spend?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 23, 2021 21:04:12 GMT -5
Odell was not close to Barkely in TD production and yards LC love d his game but he was overrated was a good player not great washington gave him 14 mill a year he was worth maybe 8. Barkely has done things in his first 2 years behind a suspect OL on 2 or 3 other players have done in the history of this league Obj is the only one that would be close but he out paced him with 15 TD and 2000 his rookie year and 14 and 6 TDs in 13 games his second year. Barkley has missed 17 out of 48 games in his career thus far. 17 of the last 32 (missing more games than he's played) We can't keep resting on the laurels of a season three years ago. Barkley, much like Jones, is in a "prove it" year. Barkely has to prove he is healthy they already know he is top 3 in the league when he is year 2 1400 yards in 13 games coming back from an 8 week injury in 3 weeks. Jones has to prove he can be a consistent leader who can run the offense and keep the chains moving and run the offense. Jones has much more to prove then Barkely.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 23, 2021 21:15:34 GMT -5
oh, lol... yeah. Phrasing could be better. I agree that he's not scared to stand in the pocket but with his penchant for not understanding defenses and not having a strong grip that toughness can also be his weakness. Which his brief tenure thus far has already proven. well not understanding/slow to process a defense for a second year QB is not unrealistic. He missed wide open reads a few times and other time he was waiting for guys to get open. Jones has all the tolls to be a very good NFL QB if he gets the fumbles and pocket awareness improved. Year 3 is the magic number either way. Maybe having a full offseason and being in the same system for a second year will help him speed it up. Being in a different system every year surely isn't helping him.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 23, 2021 21:22:11 GMT -5
well not understanding/slow to process a defense for a second year QB is not unrealistic. He missed wide open reads a few times and other time he was waiting for guys to get open. Jones has all the tolls to be a very good NFL QB if he gets the fumbles and pocket awareness improved. Year 3 is the magic number either way. Maybe having a full offseason and being in the same system for a second year will help him speed it up. Being in a different system every year surely isn't helping him. no doubt .. hoping for a more than solid year from Jones.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 24, 2021 13:02:03 GMT -5
Hopefully he's been doing similar workouts.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 24, 2021 16:21:02 GMT -5
What? What? What? What? And you’re saying Dave should be fired for drafting the best payer on the team? What? Yes. Drafting a RB with the 2nd overall pick is probably the worst move a GM can make, especially considering how bad the team was at the time. Not only is drafting a RB that high unforgivable and set the team back a couple years but to draft a RB that high with no O line is pure negligence. Not only was the pick horrible but the fact that he didn’t see how bad the O line was is alarming for someone who’s job it is to evaluate talent. I agree, drafting a RB to play behind a terrible O line is a recipe for disaster and the same goes for drafting a QB with a high pick to do the same, it all starts with the trenches.
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Post by TEM on Jun 26, 2021 6:08:13 GMT -5
It is called development. All players always develop? I do not get your Question. What is your point?
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