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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 18:18:25 GMT -5
You mean a Mike Ditka? No, I wouldn’t. And how is next year not irrelevant to this year? Again, is that extra 1st round pick doing anything for us against Atlanta Sunday? Well Slater and Parsons are doing nothing for us against Atlanta but you keep talking about them lol.
This is a perfect example of a strawman argument for anyone interested.
Poster A: "Next years pick is not irrelevant". Poster B: "How does next years pick help us against Atlanta this week",
No one is saying that pick helps us now, you however said "next year is irrelevant" which is what people are disagreeing with. It's not irrelevant and you even admitted it by not being willing to trade all your picks for this season with Nelson. GMs too much make decisions with the future in mind.
Of course they aren’t doing anything for us. They don’t play for us. I asked how is next years pick “not” irrelevant? You and Mike and TEM have yet to answer a single question of mine. Answering a question to a question is lame. So, I’ll ask you.. What is next years pick doing to help us this year?
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 24, 2021 18:22:37 GMT -5
Of course they aren’t doing anything for us. They don’t play for us. I asked how is next years pick “not” irrelevant? You and Mike and TEM have yet to answer a single question of mine. Answering a question to a question is lame. So, I’ll ask you.. What is next years pick doing to help us this year? I shall answer your question. Obviously the pick we have not chosen yet does not help us this year. Now again I will explain this to you. "Next year is irrelevant" is what you actually said. It is a stupid ass thing to say. Not helping this year and being irrelevant are not in anyway the same thing. If next year was irrelevant than you would be willing to trade all our future draft picks for Nelson...you already said you're not willing to.
I answered your question and bolded the important part for you to read.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 24, 2021 18:22:50 GMT -5
I'm thinking we would get more from a deal like that than we will from keeping Barkely and hoping he will get back to where he was in season 1.. Lol, of course. But who would take the other side of that trade? Is this now a fantasy football site? Who wouldn't trade an RB in his 4th year coming off a serious injury for a "top" pass rusher. I'd love to hear who that top rusher would be, but it's total fantasy.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 18:23:28 GMT -5
Every GM that has ever been a GM in any sport on every continent on the planet would love to be lousy enough to have place 6 trophies in their teams case. If you have to quote idiots to make your point. What more can I say. Fans here say BB is a lousy GM, no amount of Lombardi Trophy's can change that opinion. If winning 6 Super Bowls is their idea of a lousy GM. What scale are they using?
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 24, 2021 18:23:44 GMT -5
I'm thinking we would get more from a deal like that than we will from keeping Barkely and hoping he will get back to where he was in season 1.. Lol, of course. But who would take the other side of that trade? Is this now a fantasy football site? Who wouldn't trade an RB in his 4th year coming off a serious injury for a "top" pass rusher. I'd love to hear who that top rusher would be, but it's total fantasy. Jadeveon Clowney lol.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 24, 2021 18:24:34 GMT -5
Fans here say BB is a lousy GM, no amount of Lombardi Trophy's can change that opinion. If winning 6 Super Bowls is their idea of a lousy GM. What scale are thy using? The Kruunch scale where all things in the future and past are irrelevant of course.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 24, 2021 18:26:13 GMT -5
He was the #2 on my list talent wise. Lawrence was #1. Talent wise yes, but I think you were dead set against taking him. Of course I could be mistaken. Lots of people liked his talent but didn't want us to take him because of the allegations. I wasn't dead set against the pick. I wouldn't have hated it, but I certainly was worried about the off the field stuff. I always love me extremely talented defensive guys. Then again, we took a WR who had just as much baggage at 20 which kinda sucks. Here is my quote from April 30th: "If Parsons character concerns are past him, he is going to be a star. And stop with 166 lb WR junk. D Smith is going to be a pain in the ass for a long time now for our defense. They lost Jalen Hurts?"
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 24, 2021 18:33:46 GMT -5
Talent wise yes, but I think you were dead set against taking him. Of course I could be mistaken. Lots of people liked his talent but didn't want us to take him because of the allegations. I wasn't dead set against the pick. I wouldn't have hated it, but I certainly was worried about the off the field stuff. I always love me extremely talented defensive guys. Then again, we took a WR who had just as much baggage at 20 which kinda sucks. Here is my quote from April 30th: "If Parsons character concerns are past him, he is going to be a star. And stop with 166 lb WR junk. D Smith is going to be a pain in the ass for a long time now for our defense. They lost Jalen Hurts?" Nice didn't mean to put you on the spot. Some people here were freaking out like this kid murdered someone...as if they wouldn't have taken Ray Lewis lol. Parson will be the one that got away. Not that often you get the chance to take a kid like that. Looking at college this year there is not any great pass rushers like that. Thibedeux and Karlaftis are about it.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 24, 2021 18:38:30 GMT -5
I wasn't dead set against the pick. I wouldn't have hated it, but I certainly was worried about the off the field stuff. I always love me extremely talented defensive guys. Then again, we took a WR who had just as much baggage at 20 which kinda sucks. Here is my quote from April 30th: "If Parsons character concerns are past him, he is going to be a star. And stop with 166 lb WR junk. D Smith is going to be a pain in the ass for a long time now for our defense. They lost Jalen Hurts?" Nice didn't mean to put you on the spot. Some people here were freaking out like this kid murdered someone...as if they wouldn't have taken Ray Lewis lol. Parson will be the one that got away. Not that often you get the chance to take a kid like that. Looking at college this year there is not any great pass rushers like that. Thibedeux and Karlaftis are about it. It's scary how good he looked rushing the passer last week for Dallas. I doubt they move him back to LB now even when Lawrence returns. As Giants fans, we just have to hope the hype gets to him and he gets in trouble with the law like most Cowboys do.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 24, 2021 18:42:27 GMT -5
without thinking twice about it .
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 18:43:50 GMT -5
Of course they aren’t doing anything for us. They don’t play for us. I asked how is next years pick “not” irrelevant? You and Mike and TEM have yet to answer a single question of mine. Answering a question to a question is lame. So, I’ll ask you.. What is next years pick doing to help us this year? I shall answer your question. Obviously the pick we have not chosen yet does not help us this year. Now again I will explain this to you. "Next year is irrelevant" is what you actually said. It is a stupid ass thing to say. Not helping this year and being irrelevant are not in anyway the same thing. If next year was irrelevant than you would be willing to trade all our future draft picks for Nelson...you already said you're not willing to.
I answered your question and bolded the important part for you to read.
What a complete waste of bandwidth. Next years pick does not help us in any way shape or form this year. Now, keep up.. The pick in itself next year, does not help us tomorrow, next week, or next month. Hence, it’s not important. This stupid analogy about trading all the picks for Nelson on a one year deal was idiotic beyond words. You tried your mightiest to make a point, but failed to make one. Here, I’ll give you a hand. Going back on posts days ago will not help you now, this is about trading Barkley for an edge rusher. Easiest question ever on these boards. Realistic? No, but a fair question.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 24, 2021 18:59:39 GMT -5
We would be lucky to get a 3rd for Barkley, maybe a 4th. RB due for a contract, significant injury history, can’t block, can’t hit holes, and doesn’t read the defense well. There’s not a single team dumb enough to give up more than a 3rd. Too bad DG isn’t a GM for another team, he would probably give up a 2nd and future 3rd for a damagd RB touched by the hand of God.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 19:01:50 GMT -5
New England won with the best quarterback ever, and best head coach. Many fans here, say Bill Belichick is a lousy general manager. Don’t compare a powerhouse to a team that hasn’t tasted victory in years. That is flawed thinking. Every GM that has ever been a GM in any sport on every continent on the planet would love to be lousy enough to have place 6 trophies in their teams case. If you have to quote idiots to make your point. What more can I say. You’re so far lost, that I won’t shoot a flare for you. I made my point with Brady being his quarterback. And him being the head coach. You know how great Bill is? Belichick, the coach can win with players, Belichick the general manager drafts. Anyone with a set of eyes can see he has missed a lot over the years. Is he as bad as some perceive him to be? No, but he isn’t going to get praise for his managerial skills. You so carelessly focused on “Belichick is a lousy GM.” Instead, of focusing on the topic at hand.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 19:02:48 GMT -5
I shall answer your question. Obviously the pick we have not chosen yet does not help us this year. Now again I will explain this to you. "Next year is irrelevant" is what you actually said. It is a stupid ass thing to say. Not helping this year and being irrelevant are not in anyway the same thing. If next year was irrelevant than you would be willing to trade all our future draft picks for Nelson...you already said you're not willing to.
I answered your question and bolded the important part for you to read.
What a complete waste of bandwidth. Next years pick does not help us in any way shape or form this year. Now, keep up.. The pick in itself next year, does not help us tomorrow, next week, or next month. Hence, it’s not important. This stupid analogy about trading all the picks for Nelson on a one year deal was idiotic beyond words. You tried your mightiest to make a point, but failed to make one. Here, I’ll give you a hand. Going back on posts days ago will not help you now, this is about trading Barkley for an edge rusher. Easiest question ever on these boards. Realistic? No, but a fair question. I can answer your real simple question . When Dallas acquired all those picks for Walker. What did it do for them in the long term.? According to your mindset. If it is not the short term .it is no good. What you are trying to say and I find it ridiculous. The outcome of receiving all those future picks was irrelevent because it did nothing for "that season". I am saying this as a friend. You are out of you mind if you think long term team building and forecasting with acquired picks is irrelevent . FYI the Walker deal went down on October 15th 1989 .Dallas went 1-15 in 89.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 24, 2021 19:04:14 GMT -5
I'll be honest, if Parsons was a Giant right now, we would have threads about him being the next LT right now.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 19:08:49 GMT -5
What a complete waste of bandwidth. Next years pick does not help us in any way shape or form this year. Now, keep up.. The pick in itself next year, does not help us tomorrow, next week, or next month. Hence, it’s not important. This stupid analogy about trading all the picks for Nelson on a one year deal was idiotic beyond words. You tried your mightiest to make a point, but failed to make one. Here, I’ll give you a hand. Going back on posts days ago will not help you now, this is about trading Barkley for an edge rusher. Easiest question ever on these boards. Realistic? No, but a fair question. I can answer your real simple question . When Dallas acquired all those picks for Walker. What did it do for them in the long term.? According to your mindset. If it is not the short term .it is no good. What you are trying to say and I find it ridiculous. The outcome of receiving all those future picks was irrelevent because it did nothing for "that season". I am saying this as a friend. You are out of you mind if you think long term team building and forecasting with acquired picks is irrelevent . FYI the Walker deal went down on October 15th 1989 .Dallas went 1-15 in 89. You bring up a once in a lifetime trade? That’s your rebuttal? That deal will never happen again. It was so one sided that it cost a lot of jobs in Minnesota. But sure, let’s compare apples to ragweed. If, by receiving an extra 1st next year completely turns us around and we win three Super Bowls in four years. I’ll owe you a cookie.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 19:09:10 GMT -5
Every GM that has ever been a GM in any sport on every continent on the planet would love to be lousy enough to have place 6 trophies in their teams case. If you have to quote idiots to make your point. What more can I say. You’re so far lost, that I won’t shoot a flare for you. I made my point with Brady being his quarterback. And him being the head coach. You know how great Bill is? Belichick, the coach can win with players, Belichick the general manager drafts. Anyone with a set of eyes can see he has missed a lot over the years. Is he as bad as some perceive him to be? No, but he isn’t going to get praise for his managerial skills. You so carelessly focused on “Belichick is a lousy GM.” Instead, of focusing on the topic at hand. So I am the bad guy for calling out a compleatly false statement. Ok I'll take the "your the bad guy" designation. It still does not change the fact. It was one of the dumbest thing I ever read on the board. A 6 trophy GM is lousy. I would love for you to go on good morning football and decree that and see if you do not get laughed off the set broadcast.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 19:10:53 GMT -5
You’re so far lost, that I won’t shoot a flare for you. I made my point with Brady being his quarterback. And him being the head coach. You know how great Bill is? Belichick, the coach can win with players, Belichick the general manager drafts. Anyone with a set of eyes can see he has missed a lot over the years. Is he as bad as some perceive him to be? No, but he isn’t going to get praise for his managerial skills. You so carelessly focused on “Belichick is a lousy GM.” Instead, of focusing on the topic at hand. So I am the bad guy for calling out a compleatly false statement. Ok I'll take the "your the bad guy" designation. It still does not change the fact. It was one of the dumbest thing I ever read on the board. A 6 trophy GM is lousy. I would love for you to go on good morning football and decree that and see if you do not get laughed off the set broadcast. I never said it, your fellow fans did. Are you really going to judge them off that? I wouldn’t, unless you want rocks thrown at your glass house.
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Post by jay051 on Sept 24, 2021 19:11:47 GMT -5
We would be lucky to get a 3rd for Barkley, maybe a 4th. RB due for a contract, significant injury history, can’t block, can’t hit holes, and doesn’t read the defense well. There’s not a single team dumb enough to give up more than a 3rd. Too bad DG isn’t a GM for another team, he would probably give up a 2nd and future 3rd for a damagd RB touched by the hand of God. We love doing things in hindsight alot around here. Obviously we would trade Barkley for a top pass rusher but unfortunately this isn't Madden 2022. All sane GM's will hang up the phone on Getty just for trying to complete that sentence.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 19:12:38 GMT -5
I can answer your real simple question . When Dallas acquired all those picks for Walker. What did it do for them in the long term.? According to your mindset. If it is not the short term .it is no good. What you are trying to say and I find it ridiculous. The outcome of receiving all those future picks was irrelevent because it did nothing for "that season". I am saying this as a friend. You are out of you mind if you think long term team building and forecasting with acquired picks is irrelevent . FYI the Walker deal went down on October 15th 1989 .Dallas went 1-15 in 89. You bring up a once in a lifetime trade? That’s your rebuttal? That deal will never happen again. It was so one sided that it cost a lot of jobs in Minnesota. But sure, let’s compare apples to ragweed. If, by receiving an extra 1st next year completely turns us around and we win three Super Bowls in four years. I’ll owe you a cookie. But you can bring up Ray Lewis . No one can make this ridiculous S### up. I can't swallow I am laughing so hard.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 19:17:16 GMT -5
You bring up a once in a lifetime trade? That’s your rebuttal? That deal will never happen again. It was so one sided that it cost a lot of jobs in Minnesota. But sure, let’s compare apples to ragweed. If, by receiving an extra 1st next year completely turns us around and we win three Super Bowls in four years. I’ll owe you a cookie. But you can bring up Ray Lewis . No one can make this ridiculous S### up. I can't swallow I am laughing so hard. You post words, but have no substance. What the hell does missing on Lewis have to do with the Walker trade? Let me play along. Next years pick correlates with one of the biggest one sided trades in NFL history. We missed on Marvin Harrison too, and we let Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry go. This is fun, I can post nonsense and mix it in with actual truth.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 19:18:56 GMT -5
So I am the bad guy for calling out a compleatly false statement. Ok I'll take the "your the bad guy" designation. It still does not change the fact. It was one of the dumbest thing I ever read on the board. A 6 trophy GM is lousy. I would love for you to go on good morning football and decree that and see if you do not get laughed off the set broadcast. I never said it, your fellow fans did. Are you really going to judge them off that? I wouldn’t, unless you want rocks thrown at your glass house. As I said if you have take the word of idiots and then quote them to make your point. What more more can I say? Only an idiot and I am saying it "idiot" would claim a 6 time super bowl winning GM is lousy.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 19:21:58 GMT -5
I never said it, your fellow fans did. Are you really going to judge them off that? I wouldn’t, unless you want rocks thrown at your glass house. As I said if you have take the word of idiots and then quote them to make your point. What more more can I say? Only an idiot and I am saying it "idiot" would claim a 6 time super bowl winning GM is lousy. My point was made with Brady and Bill himself. You ran with his GM ability.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 19:26:29 GMT -5
But you can bring up Ray Lewis . No one can make this ridiculous S### up. I can't swallow I am laughing so hard. You post words, but have no substance. What the hell does missing on Lewis have to do with the Walker trade? Let me play along. Next years pick correlates with one of the biggest one sided trades in NFL history. We missed on Marvin Harrison too, and we let Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry go. This is fun, I can post nonsense and mix it in with actual truth. Nothing . I never said it did. I am still waiting for you to show how missing on Ray Lewis is relevant to us trading down this past draft. It very well could be another one of our classic misses in the draft. See, Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. This is what you wrote. I am still waiting for your point on this?
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Post by moecoastie on Sept 24, 2021 19:30:02 GMT -5
Huge Barkley fan and even I would trade for a top pass rusher. No, Bradley Chubb is not a top pass rusher. He is injured more often than SB. When you say top pass rusher, I hope you mean top ten because I'm not trading this "explosive plays" machine for some chump.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 19:35:39 GMT -5
You post words, but have no substance. What the hell does missing on Lewis have to do with the Walker trade? Let me play along. Next years pick correlates with one of the biggest one sided trades in NFL history. We missed on Marvin Harrison too, and we let Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry go. This is fun, I can post nonsense and mix it in with actual truth. Nothing . I never said it did. I am still waiting for you to show how missing on Ray Lewis is relevant to us trading down this past draft. It very well could be another one of our classic misses in the draft. See, Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. This is what you wrote. I am still waiting for your point on this? Parsons could be that next great player on defense. We had him in our sights, and didn’t pull the trigger. It’s the same thing about Ray Lewis. That’s the point, we could have missed out on a player we now have to face 2x a year for the next decade. You miss on players always, I get that. But, when Micah Parsons is balling, and Toney is falling. You take notice. You and the Mike’s refused to see the issue. A draft pick as valuable as it is, is just a pick. He’s not on the field this Sunday. He’s not game planning for future opponents. He’s a frat parties and having sex with women he doesn’t even know.
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 19:39:46 GMT -5
As I said if you have take the word of idiots and then quote them to make your point. What more more can I say? Only an idiot and I am saying it "idiot" would claim a 6 time super bowl winning GM is lousy. My point was made with Brady and Bill himself. You ran with his GM ability. Are you really trying to use the logic that all you need is QB and HC to win trophies? The rest of the team, coaches and FO staff are not essential. That is what it reads like. How does every owner not see your logic? This post you just made makes the Ray Lewis comment even more puzzling. If it is just the HC and the QB. So you don't need a pass rusher ? Any ole guy will do. A lousy GM can't produce a competent team for the HC and QB . Right!!!! The laughs keep coming
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Post by TEM on Sept 24, 2021 19:41:38 GMT -5
Nothing . I never said it did. I am still waiting for you to show how missing on Ray Lewis is relevant to us trading down this past draft. It very well could be another one of our classic misses in the draft. See, Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. This is what you wrote. I am still waiting for your point on this? Parsons could be that next great player on defense. We had him in our sights, and didn’t pull the trigger. It’s the same thing about Ray Lewis. That’s the point, we could have missed out on a player we now have to face 2x a year for the next decade. You miss on players always, I get that. But, when Micah Parsons is balling, and Toney is falling. You take notice. You and the Mike’s refused to see the issue. A draft pick as valuable as it is, is just a pick. He’s not on the field this Sunday. He’s not game planning for future opponents. He’s a frat parties and having sex with women he doesn’t even know. Yet you fail to use that same logic on the pick we acquired. I can't stop laughing
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 24, 2021 19:42:18 GMT -5
Personally, I wanted us to draft Slater when we were on the clock. I would have been happy with Parsons. While the rumors of his off field things were troubling, I think he was one of the most talented players in the draft, and they were rumors. So far, he seems like a great player for the Pokes. That being said, I'm also ok with the trade down. I would not have picked Toney at that slot (didn't watch a single game of his, so really wasn't even on my radar), but his highlights look good, and even after a rough start so far, I'll hold my breath, and try to remain patient. You never know how these things will work out in the end. How's that for a wishy-washy answer...
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 24, 2021 19:45:07 GMT -5
My point was made with Brady and Bill himself. You ran with his GM ability. Are you really trying to use the logic that all you need is QB and HC to win trophies? The rest of the team, coaches and FO staff are not essential. That is what it reads like. How does every owner not see your logic? This post you just made makes the Ray Lewis comment even more puzzling. If it is just the HC and the QB. So you don't need a pass rusher ? Any ole guy will do. A lousy GM can't produce a competent team for the HC and QB . Right!!!! The laughs keep coming Damn, you’re dense. Stick to your numbers and your analytics. This is way over your head. Never, and I’ll repeat that to the fans in the back. Never, did I say it’s just a head coach and quarterback. It helps when two of three of the most important facets of an NFL organization are great. The Patriots had all three. Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, and Robert Kraft. All the Patriots had to do is fill the rest of the puzzle. They already were set with their cornerstones. You talk so loud for Belichicks managerial prowess. But, couldn’t name a player without looking him up. Again, for the millionth time. I, never said he was terrible. You, keep focusing on that. I would too, if I had nothing worth mentioning.
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