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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 25, 2021 11:02:56 GMT -5
I started to make a post the other day about Edge wanted to ask you guys how Josh Allen was looking. I looked up his highlights and looks good so far. 10.5 sacks his rookie season and only starting I believe half the games. Hurt some last year and didn't do too too much but in 2 games this year so far has 2 sacks. I really wanted us to pick him, when he fell to us. Interesting to think about how our team would be constructed had we picked him, instead of DJ. Fun stuff for early Saturday morning thought... Yeah man would've been nice that's fo sho
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 25, 2021 12:04:30 GMT -5
How true. We need a win desperately Sunday. We’ll get one. Damn, in 21 years on the boards. I have yet to announce a win before game day. I better be careful, I may be mistaken for an optimist. Do you not forget the long history of this Falcons team going back to their red helmet days coming in here all full of suck and wrecking our season with a horrible loss..often with a backup qb with a career passer rating worse than if you did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every play? Be careful with such predictions with that team
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Post by giants8493 on Sept 25, 2021 12:06:50 GMT -5
absolutely should have taken Parsons ! I fell to the floor when we made that deal because I knew he wouldn’t be there at #17 Then I was sure we would take Bateman or Moore but we took the knucklehead instead ! Now the question is will it be Gettleman handling next year’s two 1st rounders… Geeesshh !!!! We received 2 first rounds for 1. It was the right move. is true this scouting season was funky with no combine and a college season that started then stopped and started again with opt outs for certain programs... It was just the weirdest offseason ever. It makes sense to punt to next year if possible because you will have a hitting chance of hitting with that pick. I was 100% on board for trading this years picks for picks next year.they did exactly that so Toney is just a bonus IMO.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 25, 2021 12:25:29 GMT -5
We’ll get one. Damn, in 21 years on the boards. I have yet to announce a win before game day. I better be careful, I may be mistaken for an optimist. Do you not forget the long history of this Falcons team going back to their red helmet days coming in here all full of suck and wrecking our season with a horrible loss..often with a backup qb with a career passer rating worse than if you did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every play? Be careful with such predictions with that team Atlanta is terrible. I mean, speed 2 bad. There only hope is that we just come out flat and play uninspired football. I’m sure Eli will give the pregame speech, and the crowd will be loud for the most part. We cannot afford to go 0-3, that will certainly make even the most optimist fans start to question everything with this team. Also, Judge will have to constantly stand up. In part, his seat will start to get warm. If we don’t throw everything at the Falcons, including the kitchen sink. Then, I don’t know what this team is doing anymore.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 25, 2021 14:21:33 GMT -5
What a complete waste of bandwidth. Next years pick does not help us in any way shape or form this year. Now, keep up.. The pick in itself next year, does not help us tomorrow, next week, or next month. Hence, it’s not important. This stupid analogy about trading all the picks for Nelson on a one year deal was idiotic beyond words. You tried your mightiest to make a point, but failed to make one. Here, I’ll give you a hand. Going back on posts days ago will not help you now, this is about trading Barkley for an edge rusher. Easiest question ever on these boards. Realistic? No, but a fair question. You made a dumb comment and can't believe people have the nerve to disagree. You don't even agree with your own stupid comment. "Next year is irrelevant" is what you said. Not a single person here said that next years draft picks help this year, no one. Stop with your strawman argument and just move on.
All the snarky comebacks you can muster don't change the fact you made a dumb comment and pretending that anyone suggested next years draft helps this year doesn't change that fact. Zero people suggested that.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 25, 2021 14:23:29 GMT -5
It's not like the Giants are the only team that made that mistake. Sure would have been nice if they had Baltimore's insight. They didn't and so didn't virtually the entire NFL. And Ray Lewis was their 2nd 1st rd pick. Jonathon Ogden was their 1st pick with the 4th pick. Lewis was picked around the 25th pick. So 2/3rds of the league passed on Ray Lewis. Nope. Only Giants GMs miss on picks. Well our GMs and Bill Belichick of course because "some posters here" think he is a lousy GM. SMH.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 25, 2021 15:05:59 GMT -5
What a complete waste of bandwidth. Next years pick does not help us in any way shape or form this year. Now, keep up.. The pick in itself next year, does not help us tomorrow, next week, or next month. Hence, it’s not important. This stupid analogy about trading all the picks for Nelson on a one year deal was idiotic beyond words. You tried your mightiest to make a point, but failed to make one. Here, I’ll give you a hand. Going back on posts days ago will not help you now, this is about trading Barkley for an edge rusher. Easiest question ever on these boards. Realistic? No, but a fair question. You made a dumb comment and can't believe people have the nerve to disagree. You don't even agree with your own stupid comment. "Next year is irrelevant" is what you said. Not a single person here said that next years draft picks help this year, no one. Stop with your strawman argument and just move on.
All the snarky comebacks you can muster don't change the fact you made a dumb comment and pretending that anyone suggested next years draft helps this year doesn't change that fact. Zero people suggested that.
Right.. A draft pick next year helps us this year. Go back on your high horse and fall will you..
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Post by TEM on Sept 25, 2021 15:50:02 GMT -5
We received 2 first rounds for 1. It was the right move. is true this scouting season was funky with no combine and a college season that started then stopped and started again with opt outs for certain programs... It was just the weirdest offseason ever. It makes sense to punt to next year if possible because you will have a hitting chance of hitting with that pick. I was 100% on board for trading this years picks for picks next year.they did exactly that so Toney is just a bonus IMO. I run the draft contest for the message board each year. So I kind of have to follow the draft "what is tending" . I can say there are a lot of the individuals on this site that follow the offseason. Some more vigorously than the regular season. The was a big consensus "talk" on this board on trading out of 11 to gain picks.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 25, 2021 20:18:13 GMT -5
Right.. A draft pick next year helps us this year. Go back on your high horse and fall will you.. Not a single person said that. Zero.
You however said "next year is irrelevant", which even you don't agree with. It is not our fault you said something you don't believe.
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Post by Antwuan on Sept 25, 2021 22:11:33 GMT -5
I proved you have no short term memory. I literally posted today about Tuck, I am not sure he would get voted in. You posted in the same thread.. You could not remember that?????. Todays threads are from the archive? Where do you come up with this stuff? It is just too funny. No way is Tuck getting in. He doesn't have the numbers to get in from that position and I'm a huge Tuck fan. Osi in my opinion has a better shot than Tuck and he too isn't getting in. No defensive player during Eli's era is getting into Canton. Michael Strahan got inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2014.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 26, 2021 9:22:57 GMT -5
Next year not helping this year and next year being irrelevant are not the same thing, you know this. Would you trade all our draft picks in the future for Quitin Nelson on a 1 year contract? You mean a Mike Ditka? No, I wouldn’t. And how is next year not irrelevant to this year? Again, is that extra 1st round pick doing anything for us against Atlanta Sunday? a few more losses this year and we'll all be talking about next year, its what we've all become accustomed to..
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 26, 2021 9:47:25 GMT -5
No Pass Rush is a big need for the Giants, but who are we getting in replacement for Barkley that's equal to or better than him? I'd rather the Giants draft a pass rusher next year with one of the picks. the life of a RB in this league is pretty short and Barkley has shown he is prone to getting injured and we really haven't gotten much from him being on the roster so far.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 26, 2021 9:56:34 GMT -5
Matter of fact I didn't believe the Chase Young hit on DJ was really a penalty but hell I'll take it and especially since we got bit for it I believe in the first and/or second game on a bogus hit on the qb smh That is the problem with ruffing the passer rule. It is a subjective rule open to interpretation by the official . It can't be challenged either way. I believe just pressuring the QB .Making him think can be effective at disrupting QB WR timing. I never believed in calls that can't be challenged, officials can't have that much freedom or the ability to ruin a game with a bad call. Being able to challenge a call, any call, can prevent a team from losing a game.
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Post by TEM on Sept 26, 2021 10:07:23 GMT -5
That is the problem with ruffing the passer rule. It is a subjective rule open to interpretation by the official . It can't be challenged either way. I believe just pressuring the QB .Making him think can be effective at disrupting QB WR timing. I never believed in calls that can't be challenged, officials can't have that much freedom or the ability to ruin a game with a bad call. Being able to challenge a call, any call, can prevent a team from losing a game. The NFL will never do that . It will further prove the officiating and ambiguous rule book are flawed. How could it be done anyway? It would be one opinion ( interpretation of the rule) to another's. IMO: Some of it is the Zebras. Most of it is interpretative rules The rules are not spelled out as Yes or No. The problem is they are "it could be".
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Post by jay051 on Sept 26, 2021 10:34:08 GMT -5
No way is Tuck getting in. He doesn't have the numbers to get in from that position and I'm a huge Tuck fan. Osi in my opinion has a better shot than Tuck and he too isn't getting in. No defensive player during Eli's era is getting into Canton. Michael Strahan got inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2014. Strahan isn't from Eli's era.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 26, 2021 10:58:07 GMT -5
You mean a Mike Ditka? No, I wouldn’t. And how is next year not irrelevant to this year? Again, is that extra 1st round pick doing anything for us against Atlanta Sunday? a few more losses this year and we'll all be talking about next year, its what we've all become accustomed to.. Mock drafts by October, new hobbies on Sundays by November. It goes to show you how committed we are to the team. Terrible product for a good decade. And yet, we still take three hours out of our busy lives to watch this dreck.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 11:42:42 GMT -5
He was the #2 on my list talent wise. Lawrence was #1. Talent wise yes, but I think you were dead set against taking him. Of course I could be mistaken. Lots of people liked his talent but didn't want us to take him because of the allegations. Parsons was lost in space his first game, brutal game 1...they put him with one direction the second game...get the QB. This was the Clowney problem...he was drafted on a 3-4, and they wanted him to play in space. Some players excel when you simplify the game, and let their athletic talents take over and tell them put that hand in the dirt...seal the edge, and when told it's a passing down by a more intelligent linebacker....get to that QB. Speaking of Penn State rookie athletic talents...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 11:54:44 GMT -5
Talent wise yes, but I think you were dead set against taking him. Of course I could be mistaken. Lots of people liked his talent but didn't want us to take him because of the allegations. Parsons was lost in space his first game, brutal game 1...they put him with one direction the second game...get the QB. This was the Clowney problem...he was drafted on a 3-4, and they wanted him to play in space. Some players excel when you simplify the game, and let their athletic talents take over and tell them put that hand in the dirt...seal the edge, and when told it's a passing down by a more intelligent linebacker....get to that QB. Speaking of Penn State rookie athletic talents... He played edge because someone was hurt last week.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 27, 2021 9:27:33 GMT -5
I never believed in calls that can't be challenged, officials can't have that much freedom or the ability to ruin a game with a bad call. Being able to challenge a call, any call, can prevent a team from losing a game. The NFL will never do that . It will further prove the officiating and ambiguous rule book are flawed. How could it be done anyway? It would be one opinion ( interpretation of the rule) to another's. IMO: Some of it is the Zebras. Most of it is interpretative rules The rules are not spelled out as Yes or No. The problem is they are "it could be". you would have to have all flags reviewable and that would make games a lot longer than they are now, over 3 hours to watch a 60 minute game is crazy, maybe if they cut out all the commercials...
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 27, 2021 9:29:48 GMT -5
Lol, of course. But who would take the other side of that trade? Is this now a fantasy football site? Who wouldn't trade an RB in his 4th year coming off a serious injury for a "top" pass rusher. I'd love to hear who that top rusher would be, but it's total fantasy. Jadeveon Clowney lol. in his prime, sure...
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