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Post by Morehead State on Oct 29, 2021 20:49:25 GMT -5
Absolutely. He's had his rough patches but if they would use him properly he would be much more productive. I think he set a rookie te record for receptions or something like that. It went all downhill from there They don't know how to use him.
He'd do better with an OC who actually has an imagination.
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 29, 2021 21:24:27 GMT -5
I think he set a rookie te record for receptions or something like that. It went all downhill from there They don't know how to use him.
He'd do better with an OC who actually has an imagination.
He’s been through 3 different OC’s in his tenure here….sure it’s the OC’s fault….wait no it’s the QB’s fault they should know not to hit him in the hands by now….wait no it’s the trainers fault for his myriad of injuries…..it’s everyone’s fault but Evan Engram’s….you guys are a riot. 🤣
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 29, 2021 21:32:42 GMT -5
They don't know how to use him.
He'd do better with an OC who actually has an imagination.
He’s been through 3 different OC’s in his tenure here….sure it’s the OC’s fault….wait no it’s the QB’s fault they should know not to hit him in the hands by now….wait no it’s the trainers fault for his myriad of injuries…..it’s everyone’s fault but Evan Engram’s….you guys are a riot. 🤣 They aren't using him to his potential. He has a lot of ability. Not blaming anyone specifically. The Giants haven't used TE's for a long time. He would do better with a team that does.
But my real point is that I'm disappointed to see Giants fans try to villainize players who work hard and do all the right things, on and off the field.
All Evan Engram is guilty of is dropping that pass vs. Philly last year. Now he's the enemy. This is what some Giants fans do. Maybe it's all the losing we've been doing for 10 years. Still doesn't mean that I have to like it.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 29, 2021 21:39:17 GMT -5
He’s been through 3 different OC’s in his tenure here….sure it’s the OC’s fault….wait no it’s the QB’s fault they should know not to hit him in the hands by now….wait no it’s the trainers fault for his myriad of injuries…..it’s everyone’s fault but Evan Engram’s….you guys are a riot. 🤣 They aren't using him to his potential. He has a lot of ability. Not blaming anyone specifically. The Giants haven't used TE's for a long time. He would do better with a team that does.
But my real point is that I'm disappointed to see Giants fans try to villainize players who work hard and do all the right things, on and off the field.
All Evan Engram is guilty of is dropping that pass vs. Philly last year. Now he's the enemy. This is what some Giants fans do. Maybe it's all the losing we've been doing for 10 years. Still doesn't mean that I have to like it.
He’s in his 5th year. He is what he is at this point…and what he is at this point is a good athlete who isn’t a very good football player
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 29, 2021 21:42:40 GMT -5
They aren't using him to his potential. He has a lot of ability. Not blaming anyone specifically. The Giants haven't used TE's for a long time. He would do better with a team that does.
But my real point is that I'm disappointed to see Giants fans try to villainize players who work hard and do all the right things, on and off the field.
All Evan Engram is guilty of is dropping that pass vs. Philly last year. Now he's the enemy. This is what some Giants fans do. Maybe it's all the losing we've been doing for 10 years. Still doesn't mean that I have to like it.
He’s in his 5th year. He is what he is at this point…and what he is at this point is a good athlete who isn’t a very good football player He may not have lived up to his draft position, but he can't be responsible for where he's drafted.
But to say he's not a good football player is something I don't agree with. He has flaws. .... But the villainizing of him here is completely over the top.
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 29, 2021 21:59:25 GMT -5
He’s in his 5th year. He is what he is at this point…and what he is at this point is a good athlete who isn’t a very good football player He may not have lived up to his draft position, but he can't be responsible for where he's drafted.
But to say he's not a good football player is something I don't agree with. He has flaws. .... But the villainizing of him here is completely over the top.
I don’t see any villianizing of him…..I just see fans who see him for what he is…..a bad football player who consistently makes mistakes at critical times. He is extremely unreliable and the fact that the coaching staff keeps trotting him out there is appalling and the definition of insanity. That’s actually my biggest gripe with the current staff. I mean the coaching staff had to get publicly shamed by 80,000 boo’ing fans to bench him after a fumble followed by a blatant drop in the ATL game. The loudest cheers I heard that day other than the Eli retirement ceremony was when they finally yanked him.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 30, 2021 5:42:40 GMT -5
He may not have lived up to his draft position, but he can't be responsible for where he's drafted.
But to say he's not a good football player is something I don't agree with. He has flaws. .... But the villainizing of him here is completely over the top.
I don’t see any villianizing of him…..I just see fans who see him for what he is…..a bad football player who consistently makes mistakes at critical times. He is extremely unreliable and the fact that the coaching staff keeps trotting him out there is appalling and the definition of insanity. That’s actually my biggest gripe with the current staff. I mean the coaching staff had to get publicly shamed by 80,000 boo’ing fans to bench him after a fumble followed by a blatant drop in the ATL game. The loudest cheers I heard that day other than the Eli retirement ceremony was when they finally yanked him. His receiving has been more solid this season. He's had a drop or two, but I don't remember any of the deflections like we've seen in years past. His blocking has been atrocious though. He has contributed though with some nice move the chain receptions.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 30, 2021 8:45:53 GMT -5
He's really not though. I mean if you're saying by average person standards he's a good football player then yea him and everyone else in the NFL are the best on the planet but if you're saying he's a good NFL player then I don't know what to tell you......I guess we have drastically different standards. I asked the question earlier in this thread that no one gave a straight answer to except for Moe...... What is one thing Evan Engram does well?Running fast in a straight line is currently the best and only real answer. He can't block well, he can't catch well, he runs terrible routes, he gets no separation from slow footed LB's and can't out muscle smaller DB's. I'm really not being sarcastic when I ask the question what does he do well as an NFL TE? Completely disagree. He runs good patterns. He cuts well. He gets open. He's very athletic.
He's an above average pass catching TE. He would probably do a lot better with a team that used him better.
He is not a good route runner at all
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Post by jaymas on Oct 30, 2021 9:13:04 GMT -5
Completely disagree. He runs good patterns. He cuts well. He gets open. He's very athletic.
He's an above average pass catching TE. He would probably do a lot better with a team that used him better.
He is not a good route runner at all You'd think he'd be a better route runner too based on his agility and lateral quickness, but alas, the tops of his routes are very rounded, he's not sudden enough, and quite frankly on replays where you have a good view of him he often doesn't disguise well. It's unfortunate. Hands down he looked his best during his rookie year.
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Post by jintslifer1 on Oct 30, 2021 10:42:33 GMT -5
I know this has been touched on. But a huge part of our problems are we never give a player that we drafted a 2nd contract. It’s rare. So what’s that say about our drafting. That’s the bigger issue here to me. EE should yield us a 4th in a comp pick as well since we’re dirt poor in cap space. What a disaster. I had such high hopes for this year too.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 30, 2021 11:04:11 GMT -5
He is not a good route runner at all You'd think he'd be a better route runner too based on his agility and lateral quickness, but alas, the tops of his routes are very rounded, he's not sudden enough, and quite frankly on replays where you have a good view of him he often doesn't disguise well. It's unfortunate. Hands down he looked his best during his rookie year. Jeez...He's a tight end.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 30, 2021 11:08:04 GMT -5
He's really not though. I mean if you're saying by average person standards he's a good football player then yea him and everyone else in the NFL are the best on the planet but if you're saying he's a good NFL player then I don't know what to tell you......I guess we have drastically different standards. I asked the question earlier in this thread that no one gave a straight answer to except for Moe...... What is one thing Evan Engram does well?Running fast in a straight line is currently the best and only real answer. He can't block well, he can't catch well, he runs terrible routes, he gets no separation from slow footed LB's and can't out muscle smaller DB's. I'm really not being sarcastic when I ask the question what does he do well as an NFL TE? Completely disagree. He runs good patterns. He cuts well. He gets open. He's very athletic.
He's an above average pass catching TE. He would probably do a lot better with a team that used him better.
You are hereby officially assigned to lead the team that takes EE to market. You say it well, with passion and a straight face. And don't be afraid to walk away from low ball offers.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 30, 2021 11:14:00 GMT -5
I know this has been touched on. But a huge part of our problems are we never give a player that we drafted a 2nd contract. It’s rare. So what’s that say about our drafting. That’s the bigger issue here to me. EE should yield us a 4th in a comp pick as well since we’re dirt poor in cap space. What a disaster. I had such high hopes for this year too. That is a very good and reasonable point. EE didn't draft himself. We evaluated him and WE drafted him in the first round with a disastrous OL to fix. I am sure he's given it his best effort. The coaching staff and his teammates seem unwavering. I don't blame EE for anything other than the crotch grab which was juvenile. You spend your whole life dreaming of scoring a touchdown in the NFL and that's the best you can come up with for a celebration?? My biggest gripe around EE actually has nothing to do with him. It has to do with brain dead people who think we need a TE in the first round or RB for that matter when we have such great needs on the OL.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 30, 2021 11:18:09 GMT -5
Completely disagree. He runs good patterns. He cuts well. He gets open. He's very athletic.
He's an above average pass catching TE. He would probably do a lot better with a team that used him better.
You are hereby officially assigned to lead the team that takes EE to market. You say it well, with passion and a straight face. And don't be afraid to walk away from low ball offers. I'm not here to be an EE cheerleader. But I do think the trashing of him is beneath us. We can disagree about how good a player he is. He DID go to the probowl last year.
But the villainizing is stupid. Pure stupidity. If he was acting like a fool. If he has off field issues....OK. Those are decisions.
But that's not what's going on here.
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Post by Bigjeep on Oct 30, 2021 11:20:43 GMT -5
What team doesn't worry about a TE who drops pass's? Pretty sure the Giants would use him more if he could block and catch. Everyone drops passes. The reality is that he catches about 70% of his targets this year. That's above average for the league and above average for the Giants. Sadly that 30% were game changing drops!
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 30, 2021 11:26:49 GMT -5
I know this has been touched on. But a huge part of our problems are we never give a player that we drafted a 2nd contract. It’s rare. So what’s that say about our drafting. That’s the bigger issue here to me. EE should yield us a 4th in a comp pick as well since we’re dirt poor in cap space. What a disaster. I had such high hopes for this year too. That is a very good and reasonable point. EE didn't draft himself. We evaluated him and WE drafted him in the first round with a disastrous OL to fix. I am sure he's given it his best effort. The coaching staff and his teammates seem unwavering. I don't blame EE for anything other than the crotch grab which was juvenile. You spend your whole life dreaming of scoring a touchdown in the NFL and that's the best you can come up with for a celebration?? My biggest gripe around EE actually has nothing to do with him. It has to do with brain dead people who think we need a TE in the first round or RB for that matter when we have such great needs on the OL. Ryan Ramczyk would have looked pretty good on our OL for the last 5 years ….
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 30, 2021 11:38:25 GMT -5
That is a very good and reasonable point. EE didn't draft himself. We evaluated him and WE drafted him in the first round with a disastrous OL to fix. I am sure he's given it his best effort. The coaching staff and his teammates seem unwavering. I don't blame EE for anything other than the crotch grab which was juvenile. You spend your whole life dreaming of scoring a touchdown in the NFL and that's the best you can come up with for a celebration?? My biggest gripe around EE actually has nothing to do with him. It has to do with brain dead people who think we need a TE in the first round or RB for that matter when we have such great needs on the OL. Ryan Ramczyk would have looked pretty good on our OL for the last 5 years …. the Giants front office stinks.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 30, 2021 11:40:27 GMT -5
You are hereby officially assigned to lead the team that takes EE to market. You say it well, with passion and a straight face. And don't be afraid to walk away from low ball offers. I'm not here to be an EE cheerleader. But I do think the trashing of him is beneath us. We can disagree about how good a player he is. He DID go to the probowl last year.
But the villainizing is stupid. Pure stupidity. If he was acting like a fool. If he has off field issues....OK. Those are decisions.
But that's not what's going on here.
Trashing our own is what this fanbase does best. It is just funny to me that these same fans villianizing Engram want premium trade value in return for him.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 30, 2021 11:40:56 GMT -5
Ryan Ramczyk would have looked pretty good on our OL for the last 5 years …. the Giants front office stinks. That is an extreme understatement. Lol
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 30, 2021 12:09:58 GMT -5
I'm not here to be an EE cheerleader. But I do think the trashing of him is beneath us. We can disagree about how good a player he is. He DID go to the probowl last year.
But the villainizing is stupid. Pure stupidity. If he was acting like a fool. If he has off field issues....OK. Those are decisions.
But that's not what's going on here.
Trashing our own is what this fanbase does best. It is just funny to me that these same fans villianizing Engram want premium trade value in return for him. Again I don't see anyone "villainizing" him......could be I don't understand the true definition of the word......I haven't seen anyone say EE is a bad person or worse yet doesn't care.....I just think he's a bad player and people are frustrated with both his play and production given his athletic ability. When I think of villainizing Giants I think of Odell and the boat trip before the GB playoff game......everyone was calling him specifically out for a few plays rather than the D getting torn up in the slot once DRC went down. I also think of McAdoo......getting absolutely destroyed for the Eli decision and eventually run out of town......when we all know it wasn't just him. Those are villainizing examples in my opinion. Not critiquing Engram's poor play and lack of consistency.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 30, 2021 12:22:45 GMT -5
I'm not here to be an EE cheerleader. But I do think the trashing of him is beneath us. We can disagree about how good a player he is. He DID go to the probowl last year.
But the villainizing is stupid. Pure stupidity. If he was acting like a fool. If he has off field issues....OK. Those are decisions.
But that's not what's going on here.
Trashing our own is what this fanbase does best. It is just funny to me that these same fans villianizing Engram want premium trade value in return for him. You might as well point your finger at every fanbase in sports. They all do it, and has been going on since the days of leather helmets. Engram, has now become a pariah. Everything from his route running, to the way he wears his mouthpiece is in question. Player A, drops a pass. It happens. Engram drops a pass, he should be shot. His stock is so low, we couldn’t get a broken mirror in return. I always say this, if he’s as bad as the interns to the general manager think. Why can’t those two slugs Smith and Rudolph beat him out?
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Post by McCherry on Oct 30, 2021 13:53:24 GMT -5
I'm not here to be an EE cheerleader. But I do think the trashing of him is beneath us. We can disagree about how good a player he is. He DID go to the probowl last year.
But the villainizing is stupid. Pure stupidity. If he was acting like a fool. If he has off field issues....OK. Those are decisions.
But that's not what's going on here.
Trashing our own is what this fanbase does best. It is just funny to me that these same fans villianizing Engram want premium trade value in return for him. But then they'll throw a parade when we acquire a total bust like John Ross. But, I'm sure fans of all teams do this.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 30, 2021 13:54:23 GMT -5
I'm not here to be an EE cheerleader. But I do think the trashing of him is beneath us. We can disagree about how good a player he is. He DID go to the probowl last year.
But the villainizing is stupid. Pure stupidity. If he was acting like a fool. If he has off field issues....OK. Those are decisions.
But that's not what's going on here.
Trashing our own is what this fanbase does best. It is just funny to me that these same fans villianizing Engram want premium trade value in return for him. Haha … good point
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 30, 2021 14:04:43 GMT -5
Trashing our own is what this fanbase does best. It is just funny to me that these same fans villianizing Engram want premium trade value in return for him. But then they'll throw a parade when we acquire a total bust like John Ross. But, I'm sure fans of all teams do this. lol … who threw a parade for Ross? Most correctly thought that a one-year $1M deal was a solid decision. But a parade? Eh, no
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 30, 2021 14:30:01 GMT -5
He's really not though. I mean if you're saying by average person standards he's a good football player then yea him and everyone else in the NFL are the best on the planet but if you're saying he's a good NFL player then I don't know what to tell you......I guess we have drastically different standards. I asked the question earlier in this thread that no one gave a straight answer to except for Moe...... What is one thing Evan Engram does well?Running fast in a straight line is currently the best and only real answer. He can't block well, he can't catch well, he runs terrible routes, he gets no separation from slow footed LB's and can't out muscle smaller DB's. I'm really not being sarcastic when I ask the question what does he do well as an NFL TE? Completely disagree. He runs good patterns. He cuts well. He gets open. He's very athletic.
He's an above average pass catching TE. He would probably do a lot better with a team that used him better.
i somewhat agree on the if a team uses him better
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 30, 2021 14:32:45 GMT -5
They don't know how to use him.
He'd do better with an OC who actually has an imagination.
He’s been through 3 different OC’s in his tenure here…. sure it’s the OC’s fault…. wait no it’s the QB’s fault they should know not to hit him in the hands by now….wait no it’s the trainers fault for his myriad of injuries…..it’s everyone’s fault but Evan Engram’s….you guys are a riot. 🤣 LOL LOL LOL LMAO
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 30, 2021 14:47:48 GMT -5
I think he set a rookie te record for receptions or something like that. It went all downhill from there They don't know how to use him.
He'd do better with an OC who actually has an imagination.
For Pete’s sake, you can’t possibly believe this, can you?
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Post by Rangers13 on Oct 30, 2021 15:02:37 GMT -5
But then they'll throw a parade when we acquire a total bust like John Ross. But, I'm sure fans of all teams do this. lol … who threw a parade for Ross? Most correctly thought that a one-year $1M deal was a solid decision. But a parade? Eh, no wonder if the offseason Gettleman fan club will be walking their Gettleman balloon around during the Thanksgiving Parade
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Post by McCherry on Oct 30, 2021 15:06:14 GMT -5
But then they'll throw a parade when we acquire a total bust like John Ross. But, I'm sure fans of all teams do this. lol … who threw a parade for Ross? Most correctly thought that a one-year $1M deal was a solid decision. But a parade? Eh, no My point is that it was a ridiculously positive reaction for a player with significantly less to offer than Engram would for a late round pick.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Oct 30, 2021 15:17:33 GMT -5
Everyone drops passes. The reality is that he catches about 70% of his targets this year. That's above average for the league and above average for the Giants. He is the 40th ranked TE in the league,has 0 TDs and averaging less than 9 yards per catch with 171 total yards. His career catch percentage is 61. He isn't a redzone threat,doesn't do contested catches, and has hands of stone. Also, the Giants are 100 percent not signing him long turn. Probably having trouble getting a 5th for this dynamic bust....err...TE... You never know. Depends on the last 10 games, if we have a better replacement, and the contract.
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