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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 29, 2021 15:47:39 GMT -5
I tend to agree that while all these RB's are not as dynamic a runner as Barkley, they did seem to be more consistently productive no matter which Oline we had.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 29, 2021 15:56:56 GMT -5
If this is solely a Barkley issue then if he wants to last in this league here or elsewhere, he'd be wise to explore the Lasik surgery Tiki had. Also if he feels he is being used incorrectly in the offensive scheme as it relates to his RB talents then he needs to speak up to the coaches and in the RB room.
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Post by jerky on Nov 29, 2021 15:59:51 GMT -5
It feels like him and Jones are similar. They both have talent and can do a lot of great things, but they both don't see the field well.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 29, 2021 15:59:59 GMT -5
I would play Booker over Barkley. I would really love to use them both, with Barkley coming off the bench and moved around, but that doesn't seem to be the Giants plan. When Barkley plays, he gets almost all the snaps.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 29, 2021 16:08:52 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree more with this. Booker's effectiveness is entirely overstated. He had one decent game...not his fault though. It's our terrible oline's fault.
How is Freeman on there?? One decent game then he was hurt. Who watches Barkley yesterday and puts any middling runs at his feet? I guarantee the Giants run blocking improvement last year would have benefited Barkley just like Wayne Gallman.
I'll tell you what I do know, none of these other guys would have done what Barkley did on his 32 yard run.
Basically Bookers performances have been exactly like Barkley's save for the big play potential. And had it been Barkley instead of Gallman last year, I think it's wild to think he would have been less effective.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 29, 2021 16:16:15 GMT -5
I would play Booker over Barkley. I would really love to use them both, with Barkley coming off the bench and moved around, but that doesn't seem to be the Giants plan. When Barkley plays, he gets almost all the snaps. lol, if Judge did that the entire fan base would kill him. Barkley is not running well but he is unquestionably the #1 back until he’s off the roster. You have to give it to him.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 29, 2021 16:19:04 GMT -5
I tend to agree that while all these RB's are not as dynamic a runner as Barkley, they did seem to be more consistently productive no matter which Oline we had.
i don’t understand why he doesn’t hit the hole fast. Year one he was full speed and cutting hard regardless. Now, he tippie toes in anticipation of seeing a hole to drop the throttle . . . yet so often he never finds the hole and gets tackled. He’s literally like a home run hitter who strikes out often. Just run north/south and use your moves at the 2nd level.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 29, 2021 16:21:32 GMT -5
I'm just starting to get the vibe that saquan really isn't that good. One trick pony.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 29, 2021 16:26:31 GMT -5
Just like the player, these threads fall down easily. Watch Barkley run, then watch Booker. They look very similar, but their running styles are far different. Booker is a one cut player, find the hole and hit it. Barkley, is always looking for that homerun, and if it isn’t there he’s running full steam into the back of our lineman. His vision is Andre Williams bad at the moment. No longer is he able to use his speed and athleticism to his advantage..
And spare me that big run. I’ve seen Halley’s Comet more than I’ve seen those types of runs from him. He should be doing that a lot. He’s better than all those backs combined. And yet, they have done more with less.
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Post by GameTime on Nov 29, 2021 16:30:13 GMT -5
Not a fan of Barkley's run game. I mean the Oline sucks but this kid should be making more positive yards more often.
If his run game doesnt get better they need to rethink his usefulness to the team
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 29, 2021 16:32:21 GMT -5
I'm just starting to get the vibe that saquan really isn't that good. One trick pony. imo, if this OL was decent and we had a confident QB he’s an explosive Marshall Faulk type. Problem is without the line and confident QB he doesn’t hit the hole or run N/S like Faulk did. He seems very confused and we’re confused watching him imo.
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Post by lt56 on Nov 29, 2021 16:33:35 GMT -5
Booker is a 1 Cut hit the hole RB, those type of RB's make the Lineman Job Easier compared to the Cut and Juke type of Runners
It was a Bad Pick looking back, I wanted Bradley Chubb or Quenton Nelson and we could've gotten Nick Chubb in the second round of that same draft so yeah DG messed that 2018 big time lookin back:
Took Barkley over Chubb and Nelson in the 1st Round Took Will Hernandez over Nick Chubb and Darius Leonard in the 2nd Round Took BJ Hill (who is no longer on the roster) over Fred Warner
FAILED!
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Post by McCherry on Nov 29, 2021 16:35:04 GMT -5
Just like the player, these threads fall down easily. Watch Barkley run, then watch Booker. They look very similar, but their running styles are far different. Booker is a one cut player, find the hole and hit it. Barkley, is always looking for that homerun, and if it isn’t there he’s running full steam into the back of our lineman. His vision is Andre Williams bad at the moment. No longer is he able to use his speed and athleticism to his advantage.. And spare me that big run. I’ve seen Haley’s comet more than I’ve seen those types of runs from him. He should be doing that a lot. He’s better than all those backs combined. And yet, they have done more with less. Booker runs better, blocks better and is an equally productive receiver.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 29, 2021 16:37:14 GMT -5
I would play Booker over Barkley. I would really love to use them both, with Barkley coming off the bench and moved around, but that doesn't seem to be the Giants plan. When Barkley plays, he gets almost all the snaps. I'm sure Booker is wondering what he did wrong because he seems to have been doing better than Barkley.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 29, 2021 16:37:45 GMT -5
Booker is a 1 Cut hit the hole RB, those type of RB's make the Lineman Job Easier compared to the Cut and Juke type of Runners It was a Bad Pick looking back, I wanted Bradley Chubb or Quenton Nelson and we could've gotten Nick Chubb in the second round of that same draft so yeah DG messed that 2018 big time lookin back: Took Barkley over Chubb and Nelson in the 1st Round Took Will Hernandez over Nick Chubb and Darius Leonard in the 2nd Round Took BJ Hill (who is no longer on the roster) over Fred Warner FAILED! Indy killed it with that trade. They landed Braden Smith too for the OL. If the Giants went HB i wanted either Chubb or Sony Michel. Linemen first though.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 29, 2021 16:46:55 GMT -5
I would play Booker over Barkley. I would really love to use them both, with Barkley coming off the bench and moved around, but that doesn't seem to be the Giants plan. When Barkley plays, he gets almost all the snaps. I'm sure Booker is wondering what he did wrong because he seems to have been doing better than Barkley. Everyone and their mother has been saying Booker is a better fit, but they won't split reps.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 29, 2021 16:54:38 GMT -5
This is not the Saquon of a few years ago yet. The quick twitch burst has not really been shown and he seems to be wary of being hit. We have to be patient. Coming off the injuries he had may take another season. The oline certainly is not helping him at all but I'd like to see more speed when he gets the ball on swing and screen passes.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 29, 2021 16:54:48 GMT -5
I mean we saw it last season, with Gallman especially. Yesterday he had 13 carries for 40 yards. Let's break that down...
1 carry...32 yards 12 carries..8 yards
It's pretty much his career in a nutshell. I know many don't want to admit what a bad pick he was at #2, and it's an old argument.
Another RB who was a top 10 pick who is arguably better than Barkley just had his season end yesterday, after missing most of the season already. RBs get hurt...often.
I know, I know, it's football, every position player can get hurt. RBs probably get hurt more than any other. You have to consider that when making the investment..all I'm saying.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 29, 2021 16:57:22 GMT -5
I'm just starting to get the vibe that saquan really isn't that good. One trick pony. His rookie season was one of the best I have ever seen. He was amazing. We just have not seen that guy since the injuries.
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Post by te88 on Nov 29, 2021 17:00:44 GMT -5
Poor vision
Can’t block
Doesn’t run behind his pads
Been like this since day 1 and hasn’t improved.
Put up big numbers on horrible teams in games that don’t matter.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 29, 2021 17:07:16 GMT -5
Poor vision Can’t block Doesn’t run behind his pads Been like this since day 1 and hasn’t improved. Put up big numbers on horrible teams in games that don’t matter. other teams around the league all see how Barkley is playing and know his market value is low at this point so trading him won't bring a whole lot.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 29, 2021 17:07:47 GMT -5
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Post by spaceweather on Nov 29, 2021 17:10:33 GMT -5
We will 100% regret any Barkley extension.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 29, 2021 17:13:15 GMT -5
We will 100% regret any Barkley extension. Hopefully, Gettleman will be head first in a bowl of clam chowder. And our next GM doesn’t value a running back like a quarterback. The only time the Giants should extend anything, is there hand when they open the door for him to leave.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 29, 2021 17:15:27 GMT -5
Morris, Anderson, Meggett, Jacobs and Bradshaw = 4 Super Bowls
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 29, 2021 17:21:25 GMT -5
Morris, Anderson, Meggett, Jacobs and Bradshaw = 4 Super Bowls Fair enough but outside of 2011, those guys ran behind some of the best O-lines the Giants have ever fielded in their entire existence.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 29, 2021 17:32:04 GMT -5
Morris, Anderson, Meggett, Jacobs and Bradshaw = 4 Super Bowls Fair enough but outside of 2011, those guys ran behind some of the best O-lines the Giants have ever fielded in their entire existence. Agree, and all these Super Bowl winning teams have good lines. Meanwhile the Barry Sanders, Dickerson, etc types all fall short. And Emmitt Smith is nowhere near the all-time leading rusher without that OL imo. Build your OL and find an HB who doesn’t fumble. Why we went Barkley is beyond many of us. Look at Indy.
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Post by repeatchamps on Nov 29, 2021 17:34:26 GMT -5
Fair enough but outside of 2011, those guys ran behind some of the best O-lines the Giants have ever fielded in their entire existence. Agree, and all these Super Bowl winning teams have good lines. Meanwhile the Barry Sanders, Dickerson, etc types all fall short. And Emmitt Smith is nowhere near the all-time leading rusher without that OL imo. Build your OL and find an HB who doesn’t fumble. Why we went Barkley is beyond many of us. Look at Indy. I'm with you. It is all about O-line. Build a wall and let the rest fall where it may.
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Post by myronguyton on Nov 29, 2021 17:57:57 GMT -5
I cant necessarily disagree with the sentiment, but I do think the scheme and attention from the defense should be taken into consideration when comparing Barkley to those who have been his back up.
In games where Barkley has not played, and Toney now to a lesser extent, the Giants seem to have a more simplified game plan. More power runs with extra blockers, and less backfield motion and trickery. It's almost like they are overthinking how they use Barkley. Teams are also much more likely to throw an extra defender or two in the box to defend Barkley in a run formation than with Gallman or Booker back there.
Either way, let Barkley play out his contract and let him walk. I dont think any rb is worth a huge contract, and certainly not Barkley from what we've seen. Resigning him to a Zeke-like deal would be way more ill advised than drafting him at number 2.
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Post by thetruth on Nov 29, 2021 18:11:48 GMT -5
I tend to agree that while all these RB's are not as dynamic a runner as Barkley, they did seem to be more consistently productive no matter which Oline we had.
Our OL is a good run blocking unit for Booker. Some how. They can't see to make it work for Barkley. Definitely not a vision issue. Cant be thatYA already told us everything we need to know about Barkley. He's not what we're selling. Attachments:
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