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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 12:54:37 GMT -5
When healthy...He's been pretty bad this year. Last year, before he got hurt, he was awful as well. My point was that after not playing or practicing for a year, he was never near 100% this season. He was starting to get there before he got hurt again. As far last year, there were OL issues, but you have a point about him not being effective. Bottom line, the story on Barkley is he's injury prone. Bottom line = Bust!
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 30, 2021 13:08:49 GMT -5
When healthy...He's been pretty bad this year. Last year, before he got hurt, he was awful as well. My point was that after not playing or practicing for a year, he was never near 100% this season. He was starting to get there before he got hurt again. As far last year, there were OL issues, but you have a point about him not being effective. Bottom line, the story on Barkley is he's injury prone. ...........and ineffective when he's in there.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 30, 2021 13:28:28 GMT -5
Booker is averaging 3.7 yards per carry...Barkley 3.6 but with the potential for very big plays.
This is quite frankly, the most overstated thing I've ever seen on here. Pure emotion and selective memory. All of it points to piss poor run blocking. I'm more concerned that we were a better run blocking unit iin 2018 annd 2019 than I am about Barkley or Booker etc.
And on the receiving front, Booker can't do things like Barkley did against the Saints.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 30, 2021 13:32:21 GMT -5
Should also point out that Booker actually averages less yards after contact per attempt than Barkley, even though he's the smarter, dirtier runner according to everyone on here...and Barkley is having a bad year in that regard.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 30, 2021 13:52:42 GMT -5
It must be great to be Saquan Barkley. Not only is he touched by the hand of God, but he also comes with built in excuses.
How can he ever lose?
If you consider injuries to be excuses. Only for OBJ he was injury prone yet people here act like he was the same guy when we traded him that he was his first 3 years he has played about 2 full season in 8 years healthy. If Barkely can't stay healthy he won't be resigned 3 GM interviewed wouldn't not let him walk tho they preferred if he stays healthy to keep tagging him at this point no long term commitment 1 year at a time, New GM will have decision to make here if he gets hurt again the decision will be made for him.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 30, 2021 13:56:50 GMT -5
Should also point out that Booker actually averages less yards after contact per attempt than Barkley, even though he's the smarter, dirtier runner according to everyone on here...and Barkley is having a bad year in that regard. I have to say tho the contact is usually multiple tacklers, we can not block and our scheme on screens sucks. Watching washington last night every screen was run well with WRs taking there guys out on 7 0r 8 yard routes and once the ball was caught they had atl east6 to 8 yards before contact and had those WRs blocking, our screens do none of this Hope Kitchens with time fixes this.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 30, 2021 13:59:25 GMT -5
Should also point out that Booker actually averages less yards after contact per attempt than Barkley, even though he's the smarter, dirtier runner according to everyone on here...and Barkley is having a bad year in that regard. not everyone.
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Post by jerky on Nov 30, 2021 14:08:05 GMT -5
Should also point out that Booker actually averages less yards after contact per attempt than Barkley, even though he's the smarter, dirtier runner according to everyone on here...and Barkley is having a bad year in that regard. Barkley also has more broken tackles, less attempts per broken tackle.
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Post by mendy on Nov 30, 2021 14:59:55 GMT -5
Missed the entire offseason, missed most of camp, missed 18 games in the last two years. All of his issues are attributed to that. If he was able to stay healthy for any stretch and maintain some consistency, he'd be able to put these issues to rest. I don't know that he'll ever stay healthy, though. It must be great to be Saquan Barkley. Not only is he touched by the hand of God, but he also comes with built in excuses.
How can he ever lose?
How is being hurt and excuse?
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Post by mendy on Nov 30, 2021 15:00:27 GMT -5
If you consider injuries to be excuses. if not what are they?? ........reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 15:03:30 GMT -5
Lol.. Same thing.. Some of you are very entertaining with all these excuses opps I mean reasons why the team sucks real bad!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 15:04:54 GMT -5
Should also point out that Booker actually averages less yards after contact per attempt than Barkley, even though he's the smarter, dirtier runner according to everyone on here...and Barkley is having a bad year in that regard. Barkley also has more broken tackles, less attempts per broken tackle. Barkley breaks tackles?? Flash backs from college maybe..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 15:07:12 GMT -5
Booker is averaging 3.7 yards per carry...Barkley 3.6 but with the potential for very big plays. This is quite frankly, the most overstated thing I've ever seen on here. Pure emotion and selective memory. All of it points to piss poor run blocking. I'm more concerned that we were a better run blocking unit iin 2018 annd 2019 than I am about Barkley or Booker etc. And on the receiving front, Booker can't do things like Barkley did against the Saints.How do you know this?? Can't say I've even heard of Booker until the Giants over paid him in FA this season. You watch the Raiders games also??
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Post by jerky on Nov 30, 2021 15:11:00 GMT -5
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Post by mendy on Nov 30, 2021 15:12:46 GMT -5
Lol.. Same thing.. Some of you are very entertaining with all these excuses opps I mean reasons why the team sucks real bad!! Reason , explanations. .I thought the conversation was about Barkley ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 15:34:47 GMT -5
Hard to believe he's turned out this way.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 30, 2021 15:37:39 GMT -5
Booker is averaging 3.7 yards per carry...Barkley 3.6 but with the potential for very big plays. This is quite frankly, the most overstated thing I've ever seen on here. Pure emotion and selective memory. All of it points to piss poor run blocking. I'm more concerned that we were a better run blocking unit iin 2018 annd 2019 than I am about Barkley or Booker etc. And on the receiving front, Booker can't do things like Barkley did against the Saints. Barkley is the better athlete and has a higher upside. Booker is just more in tune with the offense. But, he also had the entire offseason and isn't coming off a knee injury.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 15:39:20 GMT -5
That's all you got.. Seems to me Barkley goes down very easily so I don't know what you're watching besides a stat sheet..
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 30, 2021 15:41:05 GMT -5
Booker is averaging 3.7 yards per carry...Barkley 3.6 but with the potential for very big plays. This is quite frankly, the most overstated thing I've ever seen on here. Pure emotion and selective memory. All of it points to piss poor run blocking. I'm more concerned that we were a better run blocking unit iin 2018 annd 2019 than I am about Barkley or Booker etc. And on the receiving front, Booker can't do things like Barkley did against the Saints. Barkley is the better athlete and has a higher upside. Booker is just more in tune with the offense. But, he also had the entire offseason and isn't coming off a knee injury. Booker is a nice back up RB. Nice to have him on the team. Saquan is supposed to be a far superior player.
He's not. He may be a better player, but if he is, it's not by much. And LT is right, Saquan goes down way too easily these days. One guy can almost always get him to the ground without much of a fuss.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 15:41:59 GMT -5
Lol.. Same thing.. Some of you are very entertaining with all these excuses opps I mean reasons why the team sucks real bad!! Reason , explanations. .I thought the conversation was about Barkley ? All this time I thought Barkley was part of the team.. I can see how people missed that he's on this team since he doesn't play often..
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Post by jerky on Nov 30, 2021 15:51:15 GMT -5
That link does not have "breaks tackles" stat. Yes it does, if you go down to advanced rushing & Receiving, it's under YAC under the rushing section.
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Post by jerky on Nov 30, 2021 15:52:59 GMT -5
That's all you got.. Seems to me Barkley goes down very easily so I don't know what you're watching besides a stat sheet.. Yeah it just seems like it to you, but if you actually think about it, he broke more tackles and has more yards after contact. I know most of you will just see what you want to see.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 16:01:03 GMT -5
That's all you got.. Seems to me Barkley goes down very easily so I don't know what you're watching besides a stat sheet.. Yeah it just seems like it to you, but if you actually think about it, he broke more tackles and has more yards after contact. I know most of you will just see what you want to see. I want to see WINS!! Not sure if you watch the Giants games or any other ones since Barkley seems to be one of the easiest RBs in the league to tackle. Not what I want to see but if that's how you want to deal with this discussion that's on you..
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Post by Delicreep on Nov 30, 2021 16:19:23 GMT -5
So I may have imagined it, but Keyshawn was saying this morning that it's a no brainer to resign Barkley...about $13 mil was his guess.
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Post by jerky on Nov 30, 2021 16:31:38 GMT -5
Yeah it just seems like it to you, but if you actually think about it, he broke more tackles and has more yards after contact. I know most of you will just see what you want to see. I want to see WINS!! Not sure if you watch the Giants games or any other ones since Barkley seems to be one of the easiest RBs in the league to tackle. Not what I want to see but if that's how you want to deal with this discussion that's on you.. I saw a terrible offensive line. I saw a play where he had a decent hole and got like 30 yards. I've seen countless times where he has gotten the ball and there are defenders on him behind the LOS. I've seen plays where they try to sweep him out left or right, and the block is so bad there is nowhere for him to go. I've seen him, last game, pushing the pile and getting 6, 7 yard gains. I'm not sure what you want him to do. In the last 4 games, he has had 13, 2, 6, and 13 rushes. You expect him to be in a rhythm immediately. They're not giving him the ball. Can we see one game where he gets 20+ carries? I'm not sure if it's clear, but when Barkley is on the field, the other team game plans vs him. They are not game planning vs Booker.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 30, 2021 16:32:08 GMT -5
Missed the entire offseason, missed most of camp, missed 18 games in the last two years. All of his issues are attributed to that. If he was able to stay healthy for any stretch and maintain some consistency, he'd be able to put these issues to rest. I don't know that he'll ever stay healthy, though. It must be great to be Saquan Barkley. Not only is he touched by the hand of God, but he also comes with built in excuses.
How can he ever lose?
you sound as frustrated with Barkley as I am, too many excuses for not nearly enough production...
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Post by jaymas on Nov 30, 2021 16:34:14 GMT -5
Booker is averaging 3.7 yards per carry...Barkley 3.6 but with the potential for very big plays. This is quite frankly, the most overstated thing I've ever seen on here. Pure emotion and selective memory. All of it points to piss poor run blocking. I'm more concerned that we were a better run blocking unit iin 2018 annd 2019 than I am about Barkley or Booker etc. And on the receiving front, Booker can't do things like Barkley did against the Saints.How do you know this?? Can't say I've even heard of Booker until the Giants over paid him in FA this season. You watch the Raiders games also?? Booker's skillset isn't the same. He's a solid receiving back on check downs, screens, flat routes, certainly sitting in the middle of the field on some things. You're not going to line him up at split end and give him an option route with a go...that's WR stuff. Barkley can do that. Quite frankly we haven't used him enough as a receiver like that both out wide occasionally and from the slot, or letting him run closer to a receiver tree out of the backfield.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 30, 2021 16:34:53 GMT -5
Instead of āgetting backā what he had he needs to be like Tiki Barber and rebuild himself as a player. If he wants longevity and production in the NFL he needs to throw out the player he was in college and become a pro. He needs to: - learn to pass protect. This more than anything else is holding him back. He is not NFL-level in his protection. He is a liability and there is no excuse. He is a huge and strong guy. - run behind his pads. Low, with forward lean ahead of the knees. every fall forward should net a yard or two. Think Ahmad Bradshaw. - study the film and develop his vision. Look at the opportunities being missed with the constant search for the outside run. - consider approaching the coaches to say he wants to be used in ways that maximize his abilities and that he is ok with less touches if it means using him in a more surgical way. Barkley needs to decide what kind of player he wants to be. If he wants to be an every down back he has a long way to go. And that is a dying breed anyway so perhaps a different goal should be set. Barkley relies too much on his instincts. He needs to study how to be a pro RB. So you're saying he's not close to being a gold jacket player who has been touched by god.. I think the ship has passed for him to "learn" some of these very important traits to become a serviceable NFL running back.. based on his production up to this point Barkley would be lucky to get a tweed jacket instead of a gold one...
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Post by jaymas on Nov 30, 2021 16:35:21 GMT -5
Booker is averaging 3.7 yards per carry...Barkley 3.6 but with the potential for very big plays. Just looking at the ypc is an over simplified thing. Which we all do because it's also the easiest. Take Sunday's game for example with Barkley. He averaged 3.0 ypc. But if you break it down one level his rushes look like: 1 rush for 32 yards 12 rushes for 8 yards That's pretty ugly. If he rushed 13 times and was getting 3 yards a clip, that's not so bad. But the fact is 92% of his carries averaged less than 1 ypc. Which is extremely detrimental to moving the chains. And it seems like much of his career has been that feast or famine style. Only on here would we demphasize the big play that only the one back could do...and then over emphasize the other stuff that has much more to do with our fundamental blocking. We're making big plays not matter. That's super silly.
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Post by Martin on Nov 30, 2021 16:36:17 GMT -5
So I may have imagined it, but Keyshawn was saying this morning that it's a no brainer to resign Barkley...about $13 mil was his guess. Keyshawn needs his head to be examined. The no brainer is the no brain in his head.
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