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Post by allnygin on Jan 11, 2021 22:45:26 GMT -5
if any of you guys are questioning smith after tonight I don't know what else you'd need to see. that kid can play I didn’t think anyone was questioning his ability. Usually when people are adamant about a player being to small.. its questioning ones ability. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 12, 2021 0:03:50 GMT -5
I didn’t think anyone was questioning his ability. Usually when people are adamant about a player being to small.. its questioning ones ability. No, that was questioning his ability to stay healthy in the NFL. Those questions will keep coming up by more qualified people than of us here. |
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Post by allnygin on Jan 12, 2021 0:18:29 GMT -5
Usually when people are adamant about a player being to small.. its questioning ones ability. No, that was questioning his ability to stay healthy in the NFL. Those questions will keep coming up by more qualified people than of us here. Those guys are wrong mostly all the time.. I'm way more qualified! Those questions are fair to ask and sure I get it, but his body of work in college is amazing and he's been mostly healthy... I don't think to many teams are going to be scared off. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 1:22:04 GMT -5
No, that was questioning his ability to stay healthy in the NFL. Those questions will keep coming up by more qualified people than of us here. Those guys are wrong mostly all the time.. I'm way more qualified! Those questions are fair to ask and sure I get it, but his body of work in college is amazing and he's been mostly healthy... I don't think to many teams are going to be scared off. Zero |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 12, 2021 7:33:30 GMT -5
Those guys are wrong mostly all the time.. I'm way more qualified! Those questions are fair to ask and sure I get it, but his body of work in college is amazing and he's been mostly healthy... I don't think to many teams are going to be scared off. Zero hopefully the teams picking 1 - 10 are scared off. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2021 8:20:19 GMT -5
Man that is my fear. The top 3 WRs are gone by our pick. As much as we need help on the O I think passing on Parsons in that situation would be very tough. Look for WR help in round 2. If they go the Pitts route, still need a WR in the 2nd I love Parsons but we can win with our defense as it currently is constructed the offense we can not win with they need at least 2 more weapons. They do need 2 weapons but we will get Barkley back which is 1 weapon. We need a WR. TE would be nice but not a requirement, especially since we don't know if they will bring back Engram. Parsons is a need and I agree our D has to take the back seat but he is so talented it would be hard to pass on him unless it's a top WR. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2021 8:23:20 GMT -5
Those guys are wrong mostly all the time.. I'm way more qualified! Those questions are fair to ask and sure I get it, but his body of work in college is amazing and he's been mostly healthy... I don't think to many teams are going to be scared off. Zero It was weird to see anyone talking about his size before. Then he won the Heisman and I think most of those thoughts went away. Then he had 200 yards receiving and 3 TDs in the biggest game of the season and I have to imagine all doubts are erased. Smith was my #1 WR a few months back and now I will give up all hope of getting him. |
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Post by te88 on Jan 12, 2021 8:23:47 GMT -5
I don’t think you could ever convince me to take a TE in round 1. A top 15 pick absolutely not.
I mean look at the recent first round TEs
Hockenson
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Hurst
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Engram
Njoku
None of those guys help the Giants O. Including the guy we have.
And the best TEs in the league were all drafted later and developed.
Just say no to TEs in round 1
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2021 8:35:52 GMT -5
If they go the Pitts route, still need a WR in the 2nd I love Parsons but we can win with our defense as it currently is constructed the offense we can not win with they need at least 2 more weapons. They do need 2 weapons but we will get Barkley back which is 1 weapon. We need a WR. TE would be nice but not a requirement, especially since we don't know if they will bring back Engram. Parsons is a need and I agree our D has to take the back seat but he is so talented it would be hard to pass on him unless it's a top WR. It would be hard to pass on him no matter what, but Barkely and a WR isn't gonna be enough EE has signed his 5th year option. I look at the Buffalo model They had Beasely who I think is the best slot 3rd down chain mover in the game and will sneak in some big plays, and Knox who is a dependable option at TE, John Brown young burner and , Singleton they found out that wasn't enough. Added Diggs Allens completion percentage went up from 58.79% to 68.75% TDs to int s improved also. Not saying they don't need Parsons but they can win as they are on defense, they can't with their offense as it is Shep is salvageable, Slayton we just don't know. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 8:36:29 GMT -5
I don’t think you could ever convince me to take a TE in round 1. A top 15 pick absolutely not. I mean look at the recent first round TEs Hockenson Fant Hurst Howard Engram Njoku None of those guys help the Giants O. Including the guy we have. And the best TEs in the league were all drafted later and developed. Just say no to TEs in round 1 Bingo.. Same with RBs get them later in the draft.. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2021 9:19:40 GMT -5
It would be hard to pass on him no matter what, but Barkely and a WR isn't gonna be enough EE has signed his 5th year option. I look at the Buffalo model They had Beasely who I think is the best slot 3rd down chain mover in the game and will sneak in some big plays, and Knox who is a dependable option at TE, John Brown young burner and , Singleton they found out that wasn't enough. Added Diggs Allens completion percentage went up from 58.79% to 68.75% TDs to int s improved also. Not saying they don't need Parsons but they can win as they are on defense, they can't with their offense as it is Shep is salvageable, Slayton we just don't know. I agree 100% that fixing the offense is the most important thing but that is not how the draft works for DG. Every year he takes the top rated guy. If the top 3 WRs are gone and Parsons is there it's very possible he is by far the highest rated player. If that's the case I'm good with it. Do I prefer a WR? Of course. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2021 9:39:51 GMT -5
It would be hard to pass on him no matter what, but Barkely and a WR isn't gonna be enough EE has signed his 5th year option. I look at the Buffalo model They had Beasely who I think is the best slot 3rd down chain mover in the game and will sneak in some big plays, and Knox who is a dependable option at TE, John Brown young burner and , Singleton they found out that wasn't enough. Added Diggs Allens completion percentage went up from 58.79% to 68.75% TDs to int s improved also. Not saying they don't need Parsons but they can win as they are on defense, they can't with their offense as it is Shep is salvageable, Slayton we just don't know. I agree 100% that fixing the offense is the most important thing but that is not how the draft works for DG. Every year he takes the top rated guy. If the top 3 WRs are gone and Parsons is there it's very possible he is by far the highest rated player. If that's the case I'm good with it. Do I prefer a WR? Of course. I fit's close and need and draft slot align think he will go with need h did it with Jones and Thomas IMHO. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2021 10:12:39 GMT -5
I agree 100% that fixing the offense is the most important thing but that is not how the draft works for DG. Every year he takes the top rated guy. If the top 3 WRs are gone and Parsons is there it's very possible he is by far the highest rated player. If that's the case I'm good with it. Do I prefer a WR? Of course. I fit's close and need and draft slot align think he will go with need h did it with Jones and Thomas IMHO. Absolutely you have to take need into account but only if it's close. If Mac Jones and Parsons are both there and evenly rated we should and would go Parsons. The thing is we fans might think TE is a bigger need than the team does. If Parsons and Pitt are there and evenly rated who do we pick? My guess is if Engram is still on the team we go with Parsons.
I think I might actually like Freiermuth from Penn State better than Pitt anyway, so I hope we get him in round two. Going LB/TE would not address our biggest need of course. Team building is tough.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2021 12:03:04 GMT -5
I fit's close and need and draft slot align think he will go with need h did it with Jones and Thomas IMHO. Absolutely you have to take need into account but only if it's close. If Mac Jones and Parsons are both there and evenly rated we should and would go Parsons. The thing is we fans might think TE is a bigger need than the team does. If Parsons and Pitt are there and evenly rated who do we pick? My guess is if Engram is still on the team we go with Parsons.
I think I might actually like Freiermuth from Penn State better than Pitt anyway, so I hope we get him in round two. Going LB/TE would not address our biggest need of course. Team building is tough.
Agree 100%the Giants can be looking at this in several different ways Think Dan Schnier posted don't be surprised if at 11 the don't consider RT which I have not paid much attention to but he was talking Cosma and Slater. I do think they they are going playmaker some where just not sure where. I want it to be 1 but who knows. |
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Post by jerky on Jan 12, 2021 12:09:38 GMT -5
Maybe I just don't understand the draft. But as a first round pick, if I were to ever select a TE, he would already have all of the skill sets required of a TE. That means he is already a great blocker. I would never draft, in the first round, a TE that is great at catching passes, but needs work blocking. I want a TE with these skills already developed as a first round pick. So many of these GMs get lured in by the athletic talent, but as a first round pick, you need to have all of these fundamental skills developed. I think I saw in this thread that Pitts still needs work as a blocker. That just doesn't do it for me. Shockey was a good first round pick as a TE (except for his mental state), and even he didn't stick around as a Giant.
I don't know, that's just my opinion.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2021 12:37:23 GMT -5
Agree 100%the Giants can be looking at this in several different ways Think Dan Schnier posted don't be surprised if at 11 the don't consider RT which I have not paid much attention to but he was talking Cosma and Slater. I do think they they are going playmaker some where just not sure where. I want it to be 1 but who knows. I hear a lot of talk about us going OL and I really don't think that will happen in round 1. There are a few areas on this team that are just way worse than the other areas and OL isn't on that list. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2021 12:38:39 GMT -5
Maybe I just don't understand the draft. But as a first round pick, if I were to ever select a TE, he would already have all of the skill sets required of a TE. That means he is already a great blocker. I would never draft, in the first round, a TE that is great at catching passes, but needs work blocking. I want a TE with these skills already developed as a first round pick. So many of these GMs get lured in by the athletic talent, but as a first round pick, you need to have all of these fundamental skills developed. I think I saw in this thread that Pitts still needs work as a blocker. That just doesn't do it for me. Shockey was a good first round pick as a TE (except for his mental state), and even he didn't stick around as a Giant. I don't know, that's just my opinion. I agree. With any first round pick you want as few holes in their game as possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 12:43:08 GMT -5
Agree 100%the Giants can be looking at this in several different ways Think Dan Schnier posted don't be surprised if at 11 the don't consider RT which I have not paid much attention to but he was talking Cosma and Slater. I do think they they are going playmaker some where just not sure where. I want it to be 1 but who knows. I hear a lot of talk about us going OL and I really don't think that will happen in round 1. There are a few areas on this team that are just way worse than the other areas and OL isn't on that list. 2 and maybe 3 spots will need upgrades if they move on from Zietler so I would have to disagree about the way worse part of your opinion.. Wr would be the only spot I put a higher importance on with pass rusher coming in 3rd.. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2021 12:47:09 GMT -5
2 and maybe 3 spots will need upgrades if they move on from Zietler so I would have to disagree about the way worse part of your opinion.. Wr would be the only spot I put a higher importance on with pass rusher coming in 3rd.. If we go into next season with the exact same OL things will be ok. We must upgrade WR and pass rusher/edge. A #2 CB could also be on the list. If we move on from Engram then TE shoots up the list as well. OLs take time to develop and ours is heading in the right direction. I don't think adding another rookie to it will really improve things unless the rookie is a beast, but we won't likely have a chance at Sewell. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 12:52:32 GMT -5
2 and maybe 3 spots will need upgrades if they move on from Zietler so I would have to disagree about the way worse part of your opinion.. Wr would be the only spot I put a higher importance on with pass rusher coming in 3rd.. We must upgrade WR and pass rusher/edge. A #2 CB could also be on the list. If we move on from Engram then TE shoots up the list as well. OLs take time to develop and ours is heading in the right direction. I don't think adding another rookie to it will really improve things unless the rookie is a beast, but we won't likely have a chance at Sewell. Unless the two 3rd day rookies develop a lot over the off season I don't see how any fan can be comfortable going into next year with this group.. Drafting a RT with the 11th pick wouldn't be ideal for the 21 season but I'm thinking this team is still a few years a way from contending so solidifying the tackle spots would be fine for me.. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2021 12:56:41 GMT -5
Maybe I just don't understand the draft. But as a first round pick, if I were to ever select a TE, he would already have all of the skill sets required of a TE. That means he is already a great blocker. I would never draft, in the first round, a TE that is great at catching passes, but needs work blocking. I want a TE with these skills already developed as a first round pick. So many of these GMs get lured in by the athletic talent, but as a first round pick, you need to have all of these fundamental skills developed. I think I saw in this thread that Pitts still needs work as a blocker. That just doesn't do it for me. Shockey was a good first round pick as a TE (except for his mental state), and even he didn't stick around as a Giant. I don't know, that's just my opinion. I agree. With any first round pick you want as few holes in their game as possible. Which is why any of these edge rushers this year at 11 is a major reach even if because of position value they are rated good enough for us to take at 11 Buyer beware |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2021 13:21:06 GMT -5
I agree. With any first round pick you want as few holes in their game as possible. Which is why any of these edge rushers this year at 11 is a major reach even if because of position value they are rated good enough for us to take at 11 Buyer beware I agree. I don't see us getting an edge rusher in round 1. Value doesn't fit our position IMO. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2021 13:25:11 GMT -5
Unless the two 3rd day rookies develop a lot over the off season I don't see how any fan can be comfortable going into next year with this group.. Drafting a RT with the 11th pick wouldn't be ideal for the 21 season but I'm thinking this team is still a few years a way from contending so solidifying the tackle spots would be fine for me.. Because I am realistic. Like I said it takes time for an OL to develop. This OL made huge improvements from week 1 to week 17. However we desperately need help at WR, Edge, #2 CB and possibly TE. So unless you can nail the best OT in the draft I think you would be replacing 1 mid round pick with another. Give me a stud WR in round 1 and possibly replace Engram (not sure the coaches will) and I would feel absolutely fine with our OL getting another season together.
You can't simply try to replace everyone that was awesome every year. At some point we have to develop players.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2021 13:36:42 GMT -5
Unless the two 3rd day rookies develop a lot over the off season I don't see how any fan can be comfortable going into next year with this group.. Drafting a RT with the 11th pick wouldn't be ideal for the 21 season but I'm thinking this team is still a few years a way from contending so solidifying the tackle spots would be fine for me.. Because I am realistic. Like I said it takes time for an OL to develop. This OL made huge improvements from week 1 to week 17. However we desperately need help at WR, Edge, #2 CB and possibly TE. So unless you can nail the best OT in the draft I think you would be replacing 1 mid round pick with another. Give me a stud WR in round 1 and possibly replace Engram (not sure the coaches will) and I would feel absolutely fine with our OL getting another season together.
You can't simply try to replace everyone that was awesome every year. At some point we have to develop players.
Yep An entire offseason (Hopefully) Some lower body muscle gain by Peart(for an OT he really has a badly undersized bottom half,which at that age witb NY Pizza/pasta and a lot of time doing Squats and stuff will help a massive gain)will help him as well |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2021 13:48:13 GMT -5
Maybe I just don't understand the draft. But as a first round pick, if I were to ever select a TE, he would already have all of the skill sets required of a TE. That means he is already a great blocker. I would never draft, in the first round, a TE that is great at catching passes, but needs work blocking. I want a TE with these skills already developed as a first round pick. So many of these GMs get lured in by the athletic talent, but as a first round pick, you need to have all of these fundamental skills developed. I think I saw in this thread that Pitts still needs work as a blocker. That just doesn't do it for me. Shockey was a good first round pick as a TE (except for his mental state), and even he didn't stick around as a Giant. I don't know, that's just my opinion. I agree. With any first round pick you want as few holes in their game as possible. First round picks need to be as clean as Possible top ten should be squeaky clean, 2nd round same unless a guy like Jaylen Smith falls in your lap who was a top 3 talent in his draft. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 12, 2021 13:52:01 GMT -5
Agree 100%the Giants can be looking at this in several different ways Think Dan Schnier posted don't be surprised if at 11 the don't consider RT which I have not paid much attention to but he was talking Cosma and Slater. I do think they they are going playmaker some where just not sure where. I want it to be 1 but who knows. I hear a lot of talk about us going OL and I really don't think that will happen in round 1. There are a few areas on this team that are just way worse than the other areas and OL isn't on that list. I agree they have to let this line keep developing their growth was steady. I know Peart is really an unknown Flemming can come back for another year if they feel it's necessary. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 14:06:28 GMT -5
Unless the two 3rd day rookies develop a lot over the off season I don't see how any fan can be comfortable going into next year with this group.. Drafting a RT with the 11th pick wouldn't be ideal for the 21 season but I'm thinking this team is still a few years a way from contending so solidifying the tackle spots would be fine for me.. Because I am realistic. Like I said it takes time for an OL to develop. This OL made huge improvements from week 1 to week 17. However we desperately need help at WR, Edge, #2 CB and possibly TE. So unless you can nail the best OT in the draft I think you would be replacing 1 mid round pick with another. Give me a stud WR in round 1 and possibly replace Engram (not sure the coaches will) and I would feel absolutely fine with our OL getting another season together.
You can't simply try to replace everyone that was awesome every year. At some point we have to develop players.
It's real nice to know that you believe you are realistic but then you claim the oline is fine.. Too funny!! Not sure how those two things can reside together after what we witnessed this past season so all the best with you trying to do that! For the record I'm not in favor of drafting a RT with the 1tth pick and was just commenting on someone claiming that a RT is in play at that spot because the oline isn't fine.. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2021 14:56:58 GMT -5
It's real nice to know that you believe you are realistic but then you claim the oline is fine.. Too funny!! Not sure how those two things can reside together after what we witnessed this past season so all the best with you trying to do that! For the record I'm not in favor of drafting a RT with the 1tth pick and was just commenting on someone claiming that a RT is in play at that spot because the oline isn't fine.. I did not claim the OL is fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:03:47 GMT -5
Because I am realistic. Like I said it takes time for an OL to develop. This OL made huge improvements from week 1 to week 17. However we desperately need help at WR, Edge, #2 CB and possibly TE. So unless you can nail the best OT in the draft I think you would be replacing 1 mid round pick with another. Give me a stud WR in round 1 and possibly replace Engram (not sure the coaches will) and I would feel absolutely fine with our OL getting another season together.
You can't simply try to replace everyone that was awesome every year. At some point we have to develop players.
Yep An entire offseason (Hopefully) Some lower body muscle gain by Peart(for an OT he really has a badly undersized bottom half,which at that age witb NY Pizza/pasta and a lot of time doing Squats and stuff will help a massive gain)will help him as well Ok then why are there discussions that the Giants need pass rushers when they have two 3rd day draft picks developing? why wouldn't some squats and curls allow them to be the regular pass rushing starters just like the late round olineman? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:07:07 GMT -5
It's real nice to know that you believe you are realistic but then you claim the oline is fine.. Too funny!! Not sure how those two things can reside together after what we witnessed this past season so all the best with you trying to do that! For the record I'm not in favor of drafting a RT with the 1tth pick and was just commenting on someone claiming that a RT is in play at that spot because the oline isn't fine.. I did not claim the OL is fine. You are correct you said it will be OK so shame on my reality when I feel that OK = fine.. |
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