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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2021 12:44:27 GMT -5
Dane Brugler on Pitts:
Described as a “unicorn” by the Florida coaching staff, Pitts is what a twitchy big man looks like, using his natural reflexes, flexible movements and athletic ball skills to be a cheat code as a pass-catcher. Although he lacks the body power to convincingly sustain or drive block, he is willing and competitive to contribute as a blocker, but he should be evaluated more as a weapon than a traditional tight end.
Top 5 player on his board but context is important, especially for those obsessed with wanting a 'complete' TE
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Post by GameTime on Jan 21, 2021 13:01:16 GMT -5
their board will have the BPA for the positions of need I would think. Judge and company will have it squared away
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 21, 2021 13:28:33 GMT -5
Dane Brugler on Pitts: Described as a “unicorn” by the Florida coaching staff, Pitts is what a twitchy big man looks like, using his natural reflexes, flexible movements and athletic ball skills to be a cheat code as a pass-catcher. Although he lacks the body power to convincingly sustain or drive block, he is willing and competitive to contribute as a blocker, but he should be evaluated more as a weapon than a traditional tight end.Top 5 player on his board but context is important, especially for those obsessed with wanting a 'complete' TE My sentiments exactly ... if he is a true mis-match nightmare (not a fake-ass one like Engram), does it matter whether he is labeled as a TE or WR? If he puts up 1400 yards and 11 TD's like Kelce, who cares if he is a TE or if blocking isn't his thing? |
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2021 13:31:06 GMT -5
Dane Brugler on Pitts: Described as a “unicorn” by the Florida coaching staff, Pitts is what a twitchy big man looks like, using his natural reflexes, flexible movements and athletic ball skills to be a cheat code as a pass-catcher. Although he lacks the body power to convincingly sustain or drive block, he is willing and competitive to contribute as a blocker, but he should be evaluated more as a weapon than a traditional tight end.Top 5 player on his board but context is important, especially for those obsessed with wanting a 'complete' TE My sentiments exactly ... if he is a true mis-match nightmare (not a fake-ass one like Engram), does it matter whether he is labeled as a TE or WR? If he puts up 1400 yards and 11 TD's like Kelce, who cares if he is a TE or if blocking isn't his thing? You need competence with blocking, a great blocker is a plus. However, the pass game is what really matters if you're picking up #11. And he's got ability and then some |
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 21, 2021 13:38:46 GMT -5
Dane Brugler on Pitts: Described as a “unicorn” by the Florida coaching staff, Pitts is what a twitchy big man looks like, using his natural reflexes, flexible movements and athletic ball skills to be a cheat code as a pass-catcher. Although he lacks the body power to convincingly sustain or drive block, he is willing and competitive to contribute as a blocker, but he should be evaluated more as a weapon than a traditional tight end.Top 5 player on his board but context is important, especially for those obsessed with wanting a 'complete' TE Brugler has him rated higher than Smith and Waddle. It could come down to a choice between Waddle and Pitts (I think that Smith and Chase will be gone by 11). |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 21, 2021 13:44:36 GMT -5
Dane Brugler on Pitts: Described as a “unicorn” by the Florida coaching staff, Pitts is what a twitchy big man looks like, using his natural reflexes, flexible movements and athletic ball skills to be a cheat code as a pass-catcher. Although he lacks the body power to convincingly sustain or drive block, he is willing and competitive to contribute as a blocker, but he should be evaluated more as a weapon than a traditional tight end.Top 5 player on his board but context is important, especially for those obsessed with wanting a 'complete' TE My sentiments exactly ... if he is a true mis-match nightmare (not a fake-ass one like Engram), does it matter whether he is labeled as a TE or WR? If he puts up 1400 yards and 11 TD's like Kelce, who cares if he is a TE or if blocking isn't his thing? And the Giants use multiple TE's with completely different skill sets. We have a blocking TE, a TE who can catch and block and one used primarily as a receiver. Pitts wouldn't fit in alot of systems, but he's perfect for ours. Pitts projects as a blocker, but it wouldn't be integral here. |
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Post by thetruth on Jan 21, 2021 14:02:42 GMT -5
Dane Brugler on Pitts: Described as a “unicorn” by the Florida coaching staff, Pitts is what a twitchy big man looks like, using his natural reflexes, flexible movements and athletic ball skills to be a cheat code as a pass-catcher. Although he lacks the body power to convincingly sustain or drive block, he is willing and competitive to contribute as a blocker, but he should be evaluated more as a weapon than a traditional tight end.Top 5 player on his board but context is important, especially for those obsessed with wanting a 'complete' TE Brugler has him rated higher than Smith and Waddle. It could come down to a choice between Waddle and Pitts (I think that Smith and Chase will be gone by 11). I suspect that if Giants sign a FA WR we wont draft one. Or Pitts for that matter. Especially if we get a guy like Robinson. If its between Waddle and Pitts I think I would take Waddle. I have him over Smith, personally |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 21, 2021 19:34:13 GMT -5
while reading through your post I was thinking of Travis Kelce and then I read that you thought the same, to me Kelce is a proto- typical TE and there aren't too many of those guys around.. Kelce is a great route runner who can make quick breaks for a big guy. Which is a main reason why he's a league leader in separation. Travis Kelce is also a very good in-line blocker which is why teams can't just go nickel to counter his receiving ability. Athletic freak TEs don't really do much in the NFL. It's too easy to counter. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 21, 2021 19:40:31 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly ... if he is a true mis-match nightmare (not a fake-ass one like Engram), does it matter whether he is labeled as a TE or WR? If he puts up 1400 yards and 11 TD's like Kelce, who cares if he is a TE or if blocking isn't his thing? How many successful 6'6" 240 pound WRs do you know in the NFL? None. Anyone that big with success finds it at TE where they can create mismatches. Pitts will be no different. No matter how good of an athlete he is he won't be better than a 6' 190 pound WR is at getting away from a DB. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 21, 2021 20:03:59 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly ... if he is a true mis-match nightmare (not a fake-ass one like Engram), does it matter whether he is labeled as a TE or WR? If he puts up 1400 yards and 11 TD's like Kelce, who cares if he is a TE or if blocking isn't his thing? How many successful 6'6" 240 pound WRs do you know in the NFL? None. Anyone that big with success finds it at TE where they can create mismatches. Pitts will be no different. No matter how good of an athlete he is he won't be better than a 6' 190 pound WR is at getting away from a DB. You’re getting caught up in the TE/WR labels. If used correctly, he will be lined up all over the field. You think that a lot of DB’s will be able to cover a 6’6” receiver? I don’t My thoughts on this guy are based on the assumption that he can be a Waller-type weapon. I don’t know if that’s accurate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 20:07:40 GMT -5
My sentiments exactly ... if he is a true mis-match nightmare (not a fake-ass one like Engram), does it matter whether he is labeled as a TE or WR? If he puts up 1400 yards and 11 TD's like Kelce, who cares if he is a TE or if blocking isn't his thing? How many successful 6'6" 240 pound WRs do you know in the NFL? None. Anyone that big with success finds it at TE where they can create mismatches. Pitts will be no different. No matter how good of an athlete he is he won't be better than a 6' 190 pound WR is at getting away from a DB. I understand your point but that blanket statement is wrong more times than it's right. Not all 6' 190lbs guys have the acceleration and quickness to seperate consistently, and if they do how good of a route runner are they? Guys like Allen Robinson are an anomaly because he's not a burner but his route running & ball skills outweigh any physical or instinctual skills the opposing CB possesses. à la Hakeem Nicks |
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 21, 2021 20:21:42 GMT -5
If, Smith , Chase and Surtain are already taken.
I would prefer Pitts over Waddle. But, would then want to see Engram traded for a draft pick.
Though, I would like them to trade ( NO. 11 pick ) down slightly , to pickup a draft pick.
BTW, Garrett has only coach Witten , majority of his coaching career.
A smart, sure handed, , good blocker. and good route runner.
You , trust Garrett to use Pitts to his fullest potential.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 20:34:24 GMT -5
If, Smith , Chase and Surtain are already taken. I would prefer Pitts over Waddle. But, would then want to see Engram traded for a draft pick. Though, I would like them to trade ( NO. 11 pick ) Â down slightly , to pickup a draft pick. BTW, Garrett has only coach Witten , majority of his coaching career. A smart, sure handed, , good blocker. and good route runner. You , trust Garrett to use Pitts to his fullest potential. Why trade Engram if you take Pitts? Why not remake a more athletic version of the Hernandez & Gronk combo with a modern touch? |
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Post by fifthavephil on Jan 21, 2021 20:48:34 GMT -5
If, Smith , Chase and Surtain are already taken. I would prefer Pitts over Waddle. But, would then want to see Engram traded for a draft pick. Though, I would like them to trade ( NO. 11 pick ) down slightly , to pickup a draft pick. BTW, Garrett has only coach Witten , majority of his coaching career. A smart, sure handed, , good blocker. and good route runner. You , trust Garrett to use Pitts to his fullest potential. Why trade Engram if you take Pitts? Why not remake a more athletic version of the Hernandez & Gronk combo with a modern touch? Pitts ( not yet ) and Engram are not good blockers. The two out on a pass play leaves , the OL on its own. A DC will blitz , QB will not have time to pass . Receiver will not have time to run a deep route or mid range route . DB and LB will be looking , for quick passes. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 21, 2021 20:50:22 GMT -5
If, Smith , Chase and Surtain are already taken. I would prefer Pitts over Waddle. But, would then want to see Engram traded for a draft pick. Though, I would like them to trade ( NO. 11 pick )  down slightly , to pickup a draft pick. BTW, Garrett has only coach Witten , majority of his coaching career. A smart, sure handed, , good blocker. and good route runner. You , trust Garrett to use Pitts to his fullest potential. Why trade Engram if you take Pitts? Why not remake a more athletic version of the Hernandez & Gronk combo with a modern touch? I actually agree with this ... if Engram doesn’t cut it, let him walk at the end of the season |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 21, 2021 21:16:42 GMT -5
If, Smith , Chase and Surtain are already taken. I would prefer Pitts over Waddle. But, would then want to see Engram traded for a draft pick. Though, I would like them to trade ( NO. 11 pick )  down slightly , to pickup a draft pick. BTW, Garrett has only coach Witten , majority of his coaching career. A smart, sure handed, , good blocker. and good route runner. You , trust Garrett to use Pitts to his fullest potential. Why trade Engram if you take Pitts? Why not remake a more athletic version of the Hernandez & Gronk combo with a modern touch? Cap space. And Pitts could potentially step in and do what Engram does only much better. Are you comfortable paying EE $6M? I’m not. The best thing about Engram was he was cheap. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 21:19:21 GMT -5
Why trade Engram if you take Pitts? Why not remake a more athletic version of the Hernandez & Gronk combo with a modern touch? Pitts ( not yet  ) and Engram are not good blockers. The two out on a pass play leaves , the OL on its own. A DC will blitz , QB will not have time to pass . Receiver will not have time to run a deep route or mid range route . DB  and LB will  be looking , for  quick passes. * modern touch (more receiving than blocking from the TEs) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 21:23:57 GMT -5
Why trade Engram if you take Pitts? Why not remake a more athletic version of the Hernandez & Gronk combo with a modern touch? Cap space. And Pitts could potentially step in and do what Engram does only much better. Are you comfortable paying EE $6M? I’m not. The best thing about Engram was he was cheap. I am and thats not a Homer statement. He really brings more to the offense than what his production shows us. |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 21, 2021 21:42:27 GMT -5
Cap space. And Pitts could potentially step in and do what Engram does only much better. Are you comfortable paying EE $6M? I’m not. The best thing about Engram was he was cheap. I am and thats not a Homer statement. He really brings more to the offense than what his production shows us. I don’t hate Engram, You’re not wrong about the potential of having them both, but getting Pitts would be a pretty strong move away from Engram. Add another Wr and I think you make EE irrelevant. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 21:47:58 GMT -5
I am and thats not a Homer statement. He really brings more to the offense than what his production shows us. I don’t hate Engram, You’re not wrong about the potential of having them both, but getting Pitts would be a pretty strong move away from Engram. Add another Wr and I think you make EE irrelevant. I agree WR is the ultimate goal. I was responding to a poster who took Smith, Chase and Surtain out of the equation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 21:50:02 GMT -5
Why trade Engram if you take Pitts? Why not remake a more athletic version of the Hernandez & Gronk combo with a modern touch? Pitts ( not yet  ) and Engram are not good blockers. The two out on a pass play leaves , the OL on its own. A DC will blitz , QB will not have time to pass . Receiver will not have time to run a deep route or mid range route . DB  and LB will  be looking , for  quick passes. You make it sound too easy. Not many defenses in the NFL can cover 2 receiving TEs and 2 WRs while blitzing. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 22, 2021 18:45:29 GMT -5
You’re getting caught up in the TE/WR labels. If used correctly, he will be lined up all over the field. You think that a lot of DB’s will be able to cover a 6’6” receiver? I don’t My thoughts on this guy are based on the assumption that he can be a Waller-type weapon. I don’t know if that’s accurate. I'm not getting caught up. There is a huge difference in the two positions. Yes I think DBs can easily cover 6'6" receivers. Do you know why I think that? Because if they couldn't then the league would be filled with 6'6" receivers. It's not. I asked in my last post how many do you know of and the answer is probably not many if any.
How many successful TEs do you know that couldn't block at least for running plays? None probably, at least not many.
So if there are no 6'6" wide receivers and no successful TEs that can't block why on earth would I want a 6'6" WR or a TE that can't block?
With all that said Pitts might be a decent blocker, I have no idea and said that from the start. So this is not me saying I don't want him in any way. If he can be a decent blocker I take him no problem
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 22, 2021 18:49:44 GMT -5
How many successful 6'6" 240 pound WRs do you know in the NFL? None. Anyone that big with success finds it at TE where they can create mismatches. Pitts will be no different. No matter how good of an athlete he is he won't be better than a 6' 190 pound WR is at getting away from a DB. I understand your point but that blanket statement is wrong more times than it's right. Not all 6' 190lbs guys have the acceleration and quickness to seperate consistently, and if they do how good of a route runner are they? Guys like Allen Robinson are an anomaly because he's not a burner but his route running & ball skills outweigh any physical or instinctual skills the opposing CB possesses. Ă la Hakeem Nicks Yes I didn't mean to insinuate that Pitts isn't as good as me just because I am 6' 190 pounds lol. Was not my intent. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 22, 2021 20:36:19 GMT -5
You’re getting caught up in the TE/WR labels. If used correctly, he will be lined up all over the field. You think that a lot of DB’s will be able to cover a 6’6” receiver? I don’t My thoughts on this guy are based on the assumption that he can be a Waller-type weapon. I don’t know if that’s accurate. I'm not getting caught up. There is a huge difference in the two positions. Yes I think DBs can easily cover 6'6" receivers. Do you know why I think that? Because if they couldn't then the league would be filled with 6'6" receivers. It's not. I asked in my last post how many do you know of and the answer is probably not many if any.
How many successful TEs do you know that couldn't block at least for running plays? None probably, at least not many.
So if there are no 6'6" wide receivers and no successful TEs that can't block why on earth would I want a 6'6" WR or a TE that can't block?
With all that said Pitts might be a decent blocker, I have no idea and said that from the start. So this is not me saying I don't want him in any way. If he can be a decent blocker I take him no problem
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 23, 2021 9:08:56 GMT -5
Are you familiar with Darren Waller? Who told you that Pitts can’t block? Yes. Darren Waller played in 90% of the snaps. He can create mismatches because he blocks a ton and thus teams can't just play nickel when he takes the field.
No one told me Pitts can't block. I never said he can't. I said I would not take a TE in the first that can't block and I specifically said I have no idea if Pitts can block or not. Gunner said he can so that's good with me. You kind of came into the middle of a conversation so may have missed the part that I said this isn't about Pitts, it's just in general. If Pitts can block at all I take him. I have no interest in a "freak athlete" that can't play TE though.
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 23, 2021 9:13:18 GMT -5
Im all in on Pitts or the WR they love the most. I personally like Bateman from Minny, but if Waddle is there the Ty Hill comparisons are there for a reason. The guy is explosive. It would show tremendous open mindedness for Gettleman to take Waddle, only WRs hes taken even somewhat high were big bodies in Benjamin & Funchess. I'm hoping for Corey Davis in FA as well.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 23, 2021 9:27:32 GMT -5
Are you familiar with Darren Waller? Who told you that Pitts can’t block? Yes. Darren Waller played in 90% of the snaps. He can create mismatches because he blocks a ton and thus teams can't just play nickel when he takes the field.
No one told me Pitts can't block. I never said he can't. I said I would not take a TE in the first that can't block and I specifically said I have no idea if Pitts can block or not. Gunner said he can so that's good with me. You kind of came into the middle of a conversation so may have missed the part that I said this isn't about Pitts, it's just in general. If Pitts can block at all I take him. I have no interest in a "freak athlete" that can't play TE though.
My bad then. What I have read about Pitts is that he is a willing but not great blocker, although he is not terrible at it like Engram. If he is a willing blocker, he can improve in the NFL. Shockley’s blocking improved a lot in the NFL |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 23, 2021 16:51:46 GMT -5
My bad then. What I have read about Pitts is that he is a willing but not great blocker, although he is not terrible at it like Engram. If he is a willing blocker, he can improve in the NFL. Shockley’s blocking improved a lot in the NFL No worries. Someone else (possibly Gunner) said the same thing about Pitts. Having that willingness to block is super important. We can teach technique but if he isn't willing he will never be a good blocker.
As for us taking Pitts. I have not heard anything bad about him at all. I'd prefer one of the top 3 WRs at this point, but if they are gone or think Pitts can be great then lets get him. That goes double if it means moving on from Engram. My stomach can't take the drops anymore.
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 23, 2021 18:10:43 GMT -5
Dane Brugler on Pitts: Described as a “unicorn” by the Florida coaching staff, Pitts is what a twitchy big man looks like, using his natural reflexes, flexible movements and athletic ball skills to be a cheat code as a pass-catcher. Although he lacks the body power to convincingly sustain or drive block, he is willing and competitive to contribute as a blocker, but he should be evaluated more as a weapon than a traditional tight end.Top 5 player on his board but context is important, especially for those obsessed with wanting a 'complete' TE Brugler has him rated higher than Smith and Waddle. It could come down to a choice between Waddle and Pitts (I think that Smith and Chase will be gone by 11). If Chase and Smith are gone, im 100% fine with taking Pitts |
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