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Post by IrishMike on Jan 12, 2021 15:47:25 GMT -5
I did not claim the OL is fine. You are correct you said it will be OK so shame on my reality when I feel that OK = fine.. LMAO ok bud what ever makes you feel better. Let me be clear for you. Our OL is amazing, possibly the best ever imaginable, when compared to our WRs.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 12, 2021 20:27:08 GMT -5
Pitts had a nice game against Alabama - 129 yards and a TD.
Might be nice to have a TE who comes up big in big games ....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 8:03:53 GMT -5
Pitts had a nice game against Alabama - 129 yards and a TD. Might be nice to have a TE who comes up big in big games .... Bring on the 80s early 90s again!!
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 13, 2021 8:17:06 GMT -5
would look good, jones desperately needs playmakers. if anybody I think waddle is there, the real question is what if parsons is there too? If Parsons & Waddle are in the mix then the question is, what two situations can you live with?... Mayo over Parsons? Engram over Pitts? or Tate over Waddle? I don't even want to think about this.. just give me Smith π If our choices are between Parson, Pitts, and Waddle, I'd go Parsons at this point. I don't know if it's close. The idea of a Waddle type WR, someone with speed to legitimately take the top off a defense, is very intriguing. Unfortunately, his injury is concerning for any player reliant on that speed. Pitts, as much as I'm a proponent for drafting/acquiring an actual TE this off-season, I think Pitts is another big WR type. I don't want a TE can't play inline consistently and put his hand in the dirt. I also don't necessarily prefer TE's who run 4.4's. Give me a big body to occupy the middle of the field and someone with good hands to move the chains, and I'll be content.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 13, 2021 10:59:54 GMT -5
If Parsons & Waddle are in the mix then the question is, what two situations can you live with?... Mayo over Parsons? Engram over Pitts? or Tate over Waddle? I don't even want to think about this.. just give me Smith π If our choices are between Parson, Pitts, and Waddle, I'd go Parsons at this point.Β I don't know if it's close.Β Β The idea of a Waddle type WR, someone with speed to legitimately take the top off a defense, is very intriguing.Β Unfortunately, his injury is concerning for any player reliant on that speed.Β Pitts, as much as I'm a proponent for drafting/acquiring an actual TE this off-season, I think Pitts is another big WR type.Β I don't want a TE can't play inline consistently and put his hand in the dirt.Β I also don't necessarily prefer TE's who run 4.4's.Β Give me a big body to occupy the middle of the field and someone with good hands to move the chains, and I'll be content.Β Β This is why I could care less about size with our WRs..the correct ones force teams to have to defend the entire field The TEs can be the big bodied chains movers with enough athletic ability to pop a chunk play or 2
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Post by allnygin on Jan 13, 2021 11:25:10 GMT -5
The more I think about pitts the more I like it;.. Imagine .. Golladay or Robinson / Slayton / Shep / Pitts / Engram / Barkley... whatever WR they decide to draft.. man that would be ridiculous. Plus they could move on from Engram also.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 13, 2021 11:37:02 GMT -5
Pitts had a nice game against Alabama - 129 yards and a TD. Might be nice to have a TE who comes up big in big games .... I want a legitimate short threat/security blanket and a reliable and feared deep threat...I'll take 'em any way we can get 'em.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 13, 2021 11:43:15 GMT -5
The more I think about pitts the more I like it;.. Imagine .. Golladay or Robinson / Slayton / Shep / Pitts / Engram / Barkley... whatever WR they decide to draft.. man that would be ridiculous. Plus they could move on from Engram also. Lost me at Golladay or Robinson. Neither player excites me for their price tag. If we're going to spend big money on a WR in FA, I'd prefer Godwin. Big body, big speed, and overlooked with the plethora of weapons around him.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 13, 2021 11:45:14 GMT -5
The more I think about pitts the more I like it;.. Imagine .. Golladay or Robinson / Slayton / Shep / Pitts / Engram / Barkley... whatever WR they decide to draft.. man that would be ridiculous. Plus they could move on from Engram also. Lost me at Golladay or Robinson. Neither player excites me for their price tag. If we're going to spend big money on a WR in FA, I'd prefer Godwin. Big body, big speed, and overlooked with the plethora of weapons around him. My preference for FA at this point would be to go after a lower tiered WR, like a TY Hilton or Rashard Higgins, then address WR1 in the draft.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 13, 2021 11:58:12 GMT -5
The more I think about pitts the more I like it;.. Imagine .. Golladay or Robinson / Slayton / Shep / Pitts / Engram / Barkley... whatever WR they decide to draft.. man that would be ridiculous. Plus they could move on from Engram also. Lost me at Golladay or Robinson. Neither player excites me for their price tag. If we're going to spend big money on a WR in FA, I'd prefer Godwin. Big body, big speed, and overlooked with the plethora of weapons around him. Golladay worries me bc health, Robinson has been productive even with bad QBs/offenses and both are still young. I don't think they're going to cost as much as everyone thinks, but they'll still be pricy. I do agree i'm not a fan of the price tag either way. Regardless, the giants are going to have to spend. Who they decide to go with, I don't care so long as it works out. I don't like going into the draft without the position being addressed bc we have no clue what's going to happen. Godwin is intriguing same with Davis from the Texans.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 13, 2021 12:14:29 GMT -5
Lost me at Golladay or Robinson. Neither player excites me for their price tag. If we're going to spend big money on a WR in FA, I'd prefer Godwin. Big body, big speed, and overlooked with the plethora of weapons around him. Golladay worries me bc health, Robinson has been productive even with bad QBs/offenses and both are still young. I don't think they're going to cost as much as everyone thinks, but they'll still be pricy. I do agree i'm not a fan of the price tag either way. Regardless, the giants are going to have to spend. Who they decide to go with, I don't care so long as it works out. I don't like going into the draft without the position being addressed bc we have no clue what's going to happen. Godwin is intriguing same with Davis from the Texans. Good point. Robinson has put up #'s despite pretty average to below average QB play. I didn't realize he's only 27, too. If I had to choose between Golladay and Robinson, I'd prefer Robinson at this point. As long as their not slugs, I like having a big target or two for QB's to throw to. Whether it be 3rd down situations, red zone situations, or simply being able to bail out poor throws, I think a big WR/TE can be a QB's best friend. I believe Davis is with Titans, but agree. Godwin, Davis, even a Will Fuller or a Ty Hilton would be intriguing. If we address WR in the draft, a Fuller or Hilton wouldn't have the pressure of carrying the load, and both can still stretch the field a bit. With their injury histories, perhaps they'd come at the ever popular "team friendly discount."
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Post by allnygin on Jan 13, 2021 12:22:00 GMT -5
Golladay worries me bc health, Robinson has been productive even with bad QBs/offenses and both are still young. I don't think they're going to cost as much as everyone thinks, but they'll still be pricy. I do agree i'm not a fan of the price tag either way. Regardless, the giants are going to have to spend. Who they decide to go with, I don't care so long as it works out. I don't like going into the draft without the position being addressed bc we have no clue what's going to happen. Godwin is intriguing same with Davis from the Texans. Good point. Robinson has put up #'s despite pretty average to below average QB play. I didn't realize he's only 27, too. If I had to choose between Golladay and Robinson, I'd prefer Robinson at this point. As long as their not slugs, I like having a big target or two for QB's to throw to. Whether it be 3rd down situations, red zone situations, or simply being able to bail out poor throws, I think a big WR/TE can be a QB's best friend. I believe Davis is with Titans, but agree. Godwin, Davis, even a Will Fuller or a Ty Hilton would be intriguing. If we address WR in the draft, a Fuller or Hilton wouldn't have the pressure of carrying the load, and both can still stretch the field a bit. With their injury histories, perhaps they'd come at the ever popular "team friendly discount." If they're going to spend I'd probably go with Robinson also. I do know there were rumors at one point with the giants trying to trade for Golladay, if that's the case I could see them making some moves to get him this FA, which paying someone big time money with a known injury issue is not ideal. I'm okay with them bargin shopping for the position as well. I just don't want to play the chance of another tate situation.. spend a decent amount on a WR who isn't going to really produce. I didn't realize Godwin was a FA either, he could be a good guy to go after so long as they get another nice WR prospect in the draft. There's certainly plenty of ways the Giants can go about fixing this offense this offseason, I already can't wait until this all starts.
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Post by PennState1 on Jan 13, 2021 12:30:41 GMT -5
can Pitts block, he looks like a great receiver but what we really need at TE is someone who can do both at a decent level.. Pitts has apparent weaknesses. For one, he struggles with blocking as a whole. His hands are wide, his pad level swells, and overall the functional strength needed to be a strong blocker is not there. Now, is there a willingness to compete as a blocker? Absolutely, but the biggest thing I can give him is that he frames blocks well. So, Pitts can undoubtedly grow as a blocker, but that is simply not his thing yet.This wouldnβt scare me off at all. Sounds like the pre draft write up on Engram
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 13, 2021 13:16:57 GMT -5
Pitts has apparent weaknesses. For one, he struggles with blocking as a whole. His hands are wide, his pad level swells, and overall the functional strength needed to be a strong blocker is not there. Now, is there a willingness to compete as a blocker? Absolutely, but the biggest thing I can give him is that he frames blocks well. So, Pitts can undoubtedly grow as a blocker, but that is simply not his thing yet.This wouldnβt scare me off at all. Sounds like the pre draft write up on Engram Engram was known for having the "drops" in college. Is this also true for Pitts? The athleticism, the supposed mismatch potential, and the apparent inability to block coming out of college all sound eerily familiar.
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 13, 2021 13:24:11 GMT -5
Good point. Robinson has put up #'s despite pretty average to below average QB play. I didn't realize he's only 27, too. If I had to choose between Golladay and Robinson, I'd prefer Robinson at this point. As long as their not slugs, I like having a big target or two for QB's to throw to. Whether it be 3rd down situations, red zone situations, or simply being able to bail out poor throws, I think a big WR/TE can be a QB's best friend. I believe Davis is with Titans, but agree. Godwin, Davis, even a Will Fuller or a Ty Hilton would be intriguing. If we address WR in the draft, a Fuller or Hilton wouldn't have the pressure of carrying the load, and both can still stretch the field a bit. With their injury histories, perhaps they'd come at the ever popular "team friendly discount." If they're going to spend I'd probably go with Robinson also. I do know there were rumors at one point with the giants trying to trade for Golladay, if that's the case I could see them making some moves to get him this FA, which paying someone big time money with a known injury issue is not ideal. I'm okay with them bargin shopping for the position as well. I just don't want to play the chance of another tate situation.. spend a decent amount on a WR who isn't going to really produce. I didn't realize Godwin was a FA either, he could be a good guy to go after so long as they get another nice WR prospect in the draft. There's certainly plenty of ways the Giants can go about fixing this offense this offseason, I already can't wait until this all starts. Read this article just now: nypost.com/2021/01/11/allen-robinson-sounds-done-with-bears-in-potential-giants-jets-intrigue/Chicago was able to sign him for an average of $13M/year. I keep hearing $20M-ish is the asking price for the top WR's this off-season, but if we can get him closer to $13-$15M, I might be able to get on board. Our biggest priority at the moment is keeping this DL in tact. Anything beyond that is gravy on top.
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Post by jerky on Jan 13, 2021 13:25:00 GMT -5
Sounds like the pre draft write up on Engram Engram was known for having the "drops" in college. Is this also true for Pitts? The athleticism, the supposed mismatch potential, and the apparent inability to block coming out of college all sound eerily familiar. This is exactly why I wouldn't take him in the first round, especially at 11. I don't know why you would draft a player who can't do half of his job description in the first round.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 13:54:57 GMT -5
How about we take a realistic look at Pitts instead of guessing.
This is a "versus" tape with all of Pitts's snaps for that game.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jan 13, 2021 14:02:09 GMT -5
The more I think about pitts the more I like it;.. Imagine .. Golladay or Robinson / Slayton / Shep / Pitts / Engram / Barkley... whatever WR they decide to draft.. man that would be ridiculous. Plus they could move on from Engram also. Lost me at Golladay or Robinson. Neither player excites me for their price tag. If we're going to spend big money on a WR in FA, I'd prefer Godwin. Big body, big speed, and overlooked with the plethora of weapons around him. The issue with Godwin is that he is more of an underneath guy that excels out of the slot, which is why he and Evans complemented each other so well. They need someone that can win downfield on the outside, whether it's through speed, or by being an Evans type big body. If he wasn't such a huge injury concern, Will Fuller would be perfect for this offense. Put him outside with Slayton, Shep in the slot and Engram underneath and that would work. But they'd also need another speed guy that can threaten downfield since you can't have the whole offense contingent on one player (outside of the qb).
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Post by Jomo on Jan 13, 2021 14:45:24 GMT -5
Pitts had a nice game against Alabama - 129 yards and a TD. Might be nice to have a TE who comes up big in big games .... After Engram and Robinson I am gun shy in drafting a TE. Our roster isn't close enough to playoff caliber to role those dice. It doesn't mean we don't need a TE. We sure as shit do. I think there are other higher priorities.....still. Maybe a lower risk approach with TE would be to pick up a FA with something of a track record....not a stud but an upgrade.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 13, 2021 14:47:18 GMT -5
What we really need, if we are going to draft a TE, is a guy "who is a great teammate." How's that?
Offered up in this context doesn't it expose how silly the coaches sound when they say that about Engram?
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 13, 2021 15:08:59 GMT -5
Pitts had a nice game against Alabama - 129 yards and a TD. Might be nice to have a TE who comes up big in big games .... After Engram and Robinson I am gun shy in drafting a TE. Our roster isn't close enough to playoff caliber to role those dice. It doesn't mean we don't need a TE. We sure as shit do. I think there are other higher priorities.....still. Maybe a lower risk approach with TE would be to pick up a FA with something of a track record....not a stud but an upgrade. I'm not sold on this guy either, but we need an offensive weapon and he seems like he might be that.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 13, 2021 15:38:10 GMT -5
Just reading his scouting report this stood out to me.
βHe is fast for a tight end.β
βOne of the most dangerous mismatch weapons for any NFL offense is a receiving tight end. A tight end with size, speed and athleticism is a nightmare for defenses to cover downfield, and Pitts is that kind of mismatch weapon for the next level.β
βEven if Pitts does not improve as a blocker during his junior year, that won't sink his draft stock, as he will be selected off of his receiving mismatch ability. For the NFL.β
Now, tell me this doesnβt sound like Evan Engram? Are we really going the same route again? Another fast talented tight end who canβt block worth a damn.
If this is our pick Gettleman should be fired on the spot..
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 13, 2021 16:35:38 GMT -5
Pitts doesn't look very fast to me just a much better at catching balls than Engram. Don't have a strong opinion as of now but the offense needs weapons.
Engram is elite for a TE at running in a straight line. Too bad track and field doesn't have weight classes.
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Post by robl on Jan 13, 2021 19:40:12 GMT -5
Pitts doesn't look very fast to me just a much better at catching balls than Engram. Don't have a strong opinion as of now but the offense needs weapons. Engram is elite for a TE at running in a straight line. Too bad track and field doesn't have weight classes. I think ability to catch the ball is the number one requirement for a WR or receiving type tight end. Everything else is secondary.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 13, 2021 20:04:46 GMT -5
Giants need a RT . . . yet again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 8:40:08 GMT -5
Giants need a RT . . . yet again. LG also..
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 14, 2021 14:20:31 GMT -5
Giants need a RT . . . yet again. LG also.. . . . why draft either when Gettleman can go CB to make up for missing on Baker and Beal? Lol. Kicking tail everyday!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 14:34:52 GMT -5
. . . why draft either when Gettleman can go CB to make up for missing on Baker and Beal? Lol. Kicking tail everyday!!! The Giants just might do that along with over paying LW so that trade doesn't look any worse..
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 14, 2021 14:37:04 GMT -5
. . . why draft either when Gettleman can go CB to make up for missing on Baker and Beal? Lol. Kicking tail everyday!!! Donβt give Gettleman any ideas. His most trusted associates are βcomputer folks.β
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jan 14, 2021 15:32:11 GMT -5
Only if we trade Butter Fingers
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