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Post by allnygin on Nov 28, 2021 16:42:02 GMT -5
The giants put up 27, who cares the saints are 5-6 and a shell of themselves without brees. The Saints were good enough to handle Tom Brady and the Bucs. so was the WFT.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 28, 2021 16:42:24 GMT -5
4 turnovers in D, offence was brutal.
Jones was below average. Not turning it over was his biggest accomplishment.
There is zero running game. We’re one dimensional at it shows.
Jones isn’t that elite carry-a-team QB, but with this line there might be 2 of those types of QBs in the NFL.
I wouldn’t be upset if the spent both 1sts on o line.
You could play 4 practice squad o linemen and get the same level of play.
Its absolutely brutal to watch.
Yes I’m thrilled with the win, but it was 100% a D win. Nothing kind to say about the offence.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 16:42:26 GMT -5
Every week this thread starts. Do you work for PFF? Do you just do this as a hobby? File it away to put in a time capsule at a later date? This whole team sucks.
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 16:42:40 GMT -5
The Giant Oline is absolutely horrendous other than Thomas. It’s almost impossible to evaluate the QB with these guys screwing up just about everything.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 28, 2021 16:44:07 GMT -5
The Giant Oline is absolutely horrendous other than Thomas. It’s almost impossible to evaluate the QB with these guys screwing up just about everything. ..it's why I made the comment I did in context,especially with a new playcaller..
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 16:44:32 GMT -5
If I’m not mistaken, the Giants have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds.
I would spend 3 of the 5 on the Oline if the value is there.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 28, 2021 16:46:44 GMT -5
I do not expect any qb to excel with the worst oline in the NFL, no running game and what we ran out there today at receiver. Do you? This week people said Rodgers rating dropped from 3rd overall to 29th when he is rushed. Our oline is effecting everything. Take Slatons loss of 13 yards. Our oline got blown up. Slaton did not have a chance. Should we ignore the oline and just blame Slaton on that play? As a matter of fact I do. We weren't that decimated on offense today. Maybe you're cool with putting up 13 points in a game where the defense takes the ball away 4 times, gets a 4th down stop, and only gives up 7....but I'm not. Not from a so called franchise qb. He had a future hof rb in the backfield and a $70 million wr1 on the outside (lol). Seriously though, you're reaching for excuses at this point. Jones doesn't seem to play the game within the game, and he doesn't seem to elevate anyone. Eli used to make no name guys look serviceable all the time. Well please tell me all the QBs in the NFL that are excelling with a worst Oline and running game than the Giants. I would like to see that for myself. As far as today goes please tell me what you would do differently. For example late in the game we had a bad set of downs. On first down the RB takes a loss. On second down we have 3 receivers blocking and nobody looking at the QB for the ball. I think the 3rd play was a run for a yard. So you are our new QB. What would you have done to get us in the end zone in those 3 plays?
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 28, 2021 16:48:50 GMT -5
If I’m not mistaken, the Giants have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. I would spend 3 of the 5 on the Oline if the value is there. BPA Front 7 defense and O line...with TE Ruckert (a traditional 2 way TE that can block and be good in the passing game )when he is value
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Post by bluebuddha on Nov 28, 2021 16:48:57 GMT -5
I do not expect any qb to excel with the worst oline in the NFL, no running game and what we ran out there today at receiver. Do you? This week people said Rodgers rating dropped from 3rd overall to 29th when he is rushed. Our oline is effecting everything. Take Slatons loss of 13 yards. Our oline got blown up. Slaton did not have a chance. Should we ignore the oline and just blame Slaton on that play? As a matter of fact I do. We weren't that decimated on offense today. Maybe you're cool with putting up 13 points in a game where the defense takes the ball away 4 times, gets a 4th down stop, and only gives up 7....but I'm not. Not from a so called franchise qb. He had a future hof rb in the backfield and a $70 million wr1 on the outside (lol). Seriously though, you're reaching for excuses at this point. Jones doesn't seem to play the game within the game, and he doesn't seem to elevate anyone. Eli used to make no name guys look serviceable all the time. I had this talk with my BIL today . He is a cowboys fan. He pointed out OBJ, Shep, Engram and Saquan best years came with Eli at QB. He said he likes DJ but he is glad he is the Giants QB because there was a time the combo of EE, SB and Shep looked like a mismatch for the Cowboys D not so much anymore.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 16:49:03 GMT -5
4 turnovers in D, offence was brutal. Jones was below average. Not turning it over was his biggest accomplishment. There is zero running game. We’re one dimensional at it shows. Jones isn’t that elite carry-a-team QB, but with this line there might be 2 of those types of QBs in the NFL. I wouldn’t be upset if the spent both 1sts on o line. You could play 4 practice squad o linemen and get the same level of play. Its absolutely brutal to watch. Yes I’m thrilled with the win, but it was 100% a D win. Nothing kind to say about the offence. +4 in turnovers and only 13 points.
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 16:49:40 GMT -5
Right now Jones is playing like a QB that has no faith in his Oline. And there isn’t a single fan in the world that could blame him. Those guys in the middle are horrible. Solder is even worse than that.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 16:53:22 GMT -5
If I’m not mistaken, the Giants have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. I would spend 3 of the 5 on the Oline if the value is there. at least two and hoping with many picks they move up from the 3rd into the 2nd. at least two OL, a pass rusher and have to wonder if Hamilton is too good to pass on (if he’s there).
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Post by SG88 on Nov 28, 2021 16:53:35 GMT -5
Only the Giants can win a turnover margin by 4, win a game by 6, score 13 points, and have people defending a QB's below average performance. Just kidding. We won and that is all that should matter. Jones is what he is. He didn't show anything that he hasn't shown already
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 28, 2021 16:53:35 GMT -5
Right now Jones is playing like a QB that has no faith in his Oline. And there isn’t a single fan in the world that could blame him. Those guys in the middle are horrible. Solder is even worse than that. Garrett is not a good OC. But it’s obvious, he’s wasn’t the problem.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 16:55:06 GMT -5
Only the Giants can win a turnover margin by 4, win a game by 6, score 13 points, and have people defending a QB's below average performance. Just kidding. We won and that is all that should matter. Jones is what he is. He didn't show anything that he hasn't shown already a few praising the play calling is hilarious. A deep reverse which gets blown up, a botched flat pass, etc. The OC was horrendous in the 4th.
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 16:56:02 GMT -5
If I’m not mistaken, the Giants have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. I would spend 3 of the 5 on the Oline if the value is there. at least two and hoping with many picks they move up from the 3rd into the 2nd. at least two OL, a pass rusher and have to wonder if Hamilton is too good to pass on (if he’s there). They need 4 Olinemen. Unless Peart wakes up or Gates grows a new leg. They can’t do anything on O with the guys they have. I don’t care who’s calling the plays or taking the snaps.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 16:56:09 GMT -5
Right now Jones is playing like a QB that has no faith in his Oline. And there isn’t a single fan in the world that could blame him. Those guys in the middle are horrible. Solder is even worse than that. Garrett is not a good OC. But it’s obvious, he’s wasn’t the problem. scapegoat for the angry mob. All the coaches are.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 28, 2021 16:57:29 GMT -5
20 TDs and 17 Ints all of last year and so far this season.. There may not be many QBs if any that would make this a Championship calibre team, but is it really that unfathomable that there could be QBs that would put up better numbers? I don't think so, but that's just me
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 28, 2021 16:59:28 GMT -5
Good enough together this win but they had 4 extra possessions and only 13 points it leaves you wanting more, and if you understand the game it leaves you thinking about how much better could it be if there was any consistency with OL play. Watching the Eagles run it up our ass shows how far off our OL is right now.
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 16:59:49 GMT -5
20 TDs and 17 Ints all of last year and so far this season.. There may not be many QBs if any that would make this a Championship calibre team, but is it really that unfathomable that there could be QBs that would put up better numbers? I don't think so, but that's just me They could have Walsh and Montana, with this Oline, there’s no formula for offensive success.
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Post by TEM on Nov 28, 2021 17:00:56 GMT -5
at least two and hoping with many picks they move up from the 3rd into the 2nd. at least two OL, a pass rusher and have to wonder if Hamilton is too good to pass on (if he’s there). They need 4 Olinemen. Unless Peart wakes up or Gates grows a new leg. They can’t do anything on O with the guys they have. I don’t care who’s calling the plays or taking the snaps. It's hard to win when there are defenders in the backfield with the RB every other running play.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 28, 2021 17:02:03 GMT -5
20 TDs and 17 Ints all of last year and so far this season.. There may not be many QBs if any that would make this a Championship calibre team, but is it really that unfathomable that there could be QBs that would put up better numbers? I don't think so, but that's just me They could have Walsh and Montana, with this Oline, there’s no formula for offensive success. I agree to a point, but not one sided. I think there are better talents at QB than Jones and could perform better. The oline is absolutely horrific, but jones is just your run of the mill back up QB also.. together they don't jive well and hence 20 tds and 17 interceptions the past seaon and a half.
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 17:05:17 GMT -5
They could have Walsh and Montana, with this Oline, there’s no formula for offensive success. I agree to a point, but not one sided. I think there are better talents at QB than Jones and could perform better. The oline is absolutely horrific, but jones is just your run of the mill back up QB also.. together they don't jive well and hence 20 tds and 17 interceptions the past seaon and a half. We don’t know that because the Oline is horrendous.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 28, 2021 17:05:20 GMT -5
A good backup/ spot starter in this league in a few years.
Same as before the game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 17:05:58 GMT -5
If I’m not mistaken, the Giants have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. I would spend 3 of the 5 on the Oline if the value is there. I would use every pick on the OL...if fans don't quite get the reasons why nothing on offense works by now, I would suggest they watch some soccer ....and to think we failed to take a single blocker last year...absurdity by yes, the guy who needs to go...the inept Dave Gettleman
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Post by allnygin on Nov 28, 2021 17:06:44 GMT -5
I agree to a point, but not one sided. I think there are better talents at QB than Jones and could perform better. The oline is absolutely horrific, but jones is just your run of the mill back up QB also.. together they don't jive well and hence 20 tds and 17 interceptions the past seaon and a half. We don’t know that because the Oline is horrendous. Hm maybe we'll see him thrive elsewhere at some point. Or maybe he'll start figuring out ways to throw some TDs, next season.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 28, 2021 17:07:51 GMT -5
They could have Walsh and Montana, with this Oline, there’s no formula for offensive success. I agree to a point, but not one sided. I think there are better talents at QB than Jones and could perform better. The oline is absolutely horrific, but jones is just your run of the mill back up QB also.. together they don't jive well and hence 20 tds and 17 interceptions the past seaon and a half. I agree. People are always on their "either or" shit but the whole offensive unit is just bad. This offense is Danny Kanell and Dave Brown kind of bad.
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Post by giantsalmon on Nov 28, 2021 17:08:51 GMT -5
at least two and hoping with many picks they move up from the 3rd into the 2nd. at least two OL, a pass rusher and have to wonder if Hamilton is too good to pass on (if he’s there). They need 4 Olinemen. Unless Peart wakes up or Gates grows a new leg. They can’t do anything on O with the guys they have. I don’t care who’s calling the plays or taking the snaps. Exactly. Massive pressure on DJ not only from defenses but from everywhere. I liked the mix of playcalls today but they are absolutely strategizing around the shit O line. We won't see a big improvement until Shep and Toney are back but even then it will be stunted by the human turnstiles. I don't care what anyone says, Booker is a better choice for this team right now.
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Post by myronguyton on Nov 28, 2021 17:08:58 GMT -5
As a matter of fact I do. We weren't that decimated on offense today. Maybe you're cool with putting up 13 points in a game where the defense takes the ball away 4 times, gets a 4th down stop, and only gives up 7....but I'm not. Not from a so called franchise qb. He had a future hof rb in the backfield and a $70 million wr1 on the outside (lol). Seriously though, you're reaching for excuses at this point. Jones doesn't seem to play the game within the game, and he doesn't seem to elevate anyone. Eli used to make no name guys look serviceable all the time. Well please tell me all the QBs in the NFL that are excelling with a worst Oline and running game than the Giants. I would like to see that for myself. As far as today goes please tell me what you would do differently. For example late in the game we had a bad set of downs. On first down the RB takes a loss. On second down we have 3 receivers blocking and nobody looking at the QB for the ball. I think the 3rd play was a run for a yard. So you are our new QB. What would you have done to get us in the end zone in those 3 plays? It's not what Jones is doing that I have a problem with, it's what he isn't doing. That being said, count me in with the group calling for lineman to be heavily drafted with early picks next year. As mediocre as Jones is, he's the best option next year. Need to fix the team before we worry about replacing him.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 28, 2021 17:10:05 GMT -5
I agree to a point, but not one sided. I think there are better talents at QB than Jones and could perform better. The oline is absolutely horrific, but jones is just your run of the mill back up QB also.. together they don't jive well and hence 20 tds and 17 interceptions the past seaon and a half. I agree. People are always on their "either or" shit but the whole offensive unit is just bad. This offense is Danny Kanell and Dave Brown kind of bad. It is.. look I get the o-line has been bad, but there's been tons of shitty offenses in the NFL over the years that had QBs throw more than 20 ****ing tds in a season and a half. This doesn't fall just one way, it never does.
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