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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 17:10:17 GMT -5
If I’m not mistaken, the Giants have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. I would spend 3 of the 5 on the Oline if the value is there. I would use every pick on the OL...if fans don't quite get the reasons why nothing on offense works by now, I would suggest they watch some soccer ....and to think we failed to take a single blocker last year...absurdity by yes, the guy who needs to go...the inept Dave Gettleman How many times have we seen the Giants in the red zone and the Oline commits a penalty or gives up a sack? Maybe an easier question is how many times has that not happened. I think Hernandez means horrendous in Spanish. Price and Skura get mauled on a regular basis. Calling Solder a turnstile is an insult to turnstiles everywhere.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 17:13:11 GMT -5
If I’m not mistaken, the Giants have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. I would spend 3 of the 5 on the Oline if the value is there. I would use every pick on the OL...if fans don't quite get the reasons why nothing on offense works by now, I would suggest they watch some soccer ....and to think we failed to take a single blocker last year...absurdity by yes, the guy who needs to go...the inept Dave Gettleman Well Count, that would be 11 new offensive linemen.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 28, 2021 17:15:08 GMT -5
I would use every pick on the OL...if fans don't quite get the reasons why nothing on offense works by now, I would suggest they watch some soccer ....and to think we failed to take a single blocker last year...absurdity by yes, the guy who needs to go...the inept Dave Gettleman How many times have we seen the Giants in the red zone and the Oline commits a penalty or gives up a sack? Maybe an easier question is how many times has that not happened. I think Hernandez means horrendous in Spanish. Price and Skura get mauled on a regular basis. Calling Solder a turnstile is an insult to turnstiles everywhere. Unfortunately as good as Sales was coaxing this unit to at times resemble a functional NFL o line teams have figured out these players weaknesses and taking turns abusing them...especially the right side... It's an indictment that the 2 alleged "starters" on the right side are playing worse than the backups to the backups at C and LG..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 28, 2021 17:15:33 GMT -5
20 TDs and 17 Ints all of last year and so far this season.. There may not be many QBs if any that would make this a Championship calibre team, but is it really that unfathomable that there could be QBs that would put up better numbers? I don't think so, but that's just me If a team can't block and make no mistake they can't you can put Brady or Rodgers or Mahomes it ain't happening.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 28, 2021 17:17:10 GMT -5
20 TDs and 17 Ints all of last year and so far this season.. There may not be many QBs if any that would make this a Championship calibre team, but is it really that unfathomable that there could be QBs that would put up better numbers? I don't think so, but that's just me If a team can't block and make no mistake they can't you can put Brady or Rodgers or Mahomes it ain't happening. gotta disagree my guy, they certainly would put up better numbers. Take today for instance, we were spotted free points time and time again with turnovers etc and still only put up 13 points. Yes, the oline is trash, but Jones isn't very good either. 20tds in a season and a half.. nah.. that's on DJ just as much as the oline
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 17:18:26 GMT -5
They would have 3 more wins with a decent Oline. They have a good D. Not great but at least top 15. But their Oline kills every drive.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 28, 2021 17:24:18 GMT -5
They would have 3 more wins with a decent Oline. They have a good D. Not great but at least top 15. But their Oline kills every drive. Sure they would..
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 17:27:43 GMT -5
20 TDs and 17 Ints all of last year and so far this season.. There may not be many QBs if any that would make this a Championship calibre team, but is it really that unfathomable that there could be QBs that would put up better numbers? I don't think so, but that's just me If a team can't block and make no mistake they can't you can put Brady or Rodgers or Mahomes it ain't happening. Proof is last year’s SB. No OTs? No points for the Chiefs.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 28, 2021 17:27:46 GMT -5
Well please tell me all the QBs in the NFL that are excelling with a worst Oline and running game than the Giants. I would like to see that for myself. As far as today goes please tell me what you would do differently. For example late in the game we had a bad set of downs. On first down the RB takes a loss. On second down we have 3 receivers blocking and nobody looking at the QB for the ball. I think the 3rd play was a run for a yard. So you are our new QB. What would you have done to get us in the end zone in those 3 plays? It's not what Jones is doing that I have a problem with, it's what he isn't doing. That being said, count me in with the group calling for lineman to be heavily drafted with early picks next year. As mediocre as Jones is, he's the best option next year. Need to fix the team before we worry about replacing him. That is fair enough. I think most fans just want to see what we have after we have an oline. This was a disaster year for us with this oline. The part that frustrates me is I was yelling about the oline all off season. This was preventable in my eyes. If DJ is not the man once we have a real oline we will make a change but people should also look at our running game. This seasons oline is even worse than last season when it comes to the running game.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 28, 2021 17:28:14 GMT -5
They would have 3 more wins with a decent Oline. They have a good D. Not great but at least top 15. But their Oline kills every drive. Sure they would.. People tend to forget getting cooked by the Rams, Broncos, Cowboys, and Bucs. Even with a good oline, this team was not beating them nor would they do what they're allergic to doing, which is score 30 points.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 28, 2021 17:29:48 GMT -5
They would have 3 more wins with a decent Oline. They have a good D. Not great but at least top 15. But their Oline kills every drive. I disagree dude. Did you see us get worked by the Bucs, Broncos, Rams, and Cowboys? A good oline or not, we were not beating those teams.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 17:31:35 GMT -5
I would use every pick on the OL...if fans don't quite get the reasons why nothing on offense works by now, I would suggest they watch some soccer ....and to think we failed to take a single blocker last year...absurdity by yes, the guy who needs to go...the inept Dave Gettleman <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Well Count, that would be 11 new offensive linemen. 3,190 pounds of Richburg?
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Post by coughlinscorner on Nov 28, 2021 17:32:25 GMT -5
They would have 3 more wins with a decent Oline. They have a good D. Not great but at least top 15. But their Oline kills every drive. Sure they would.. If they had a decent line Joe Judge would prove he is a master of clock management. If we had a decent line Joe Judge would not have used a coach's challenge on a turnover. If we had a decent line Joe Judge would actually hold his players accountable. If we had a decent line........
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 28, 2021 17:32:57 GMT -5
At least our QB has an arm. Hurt was under throwing all day. He's lucky his team can run the ball.
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 17:33:22 GMT -5
People tend to forget getting cooked by the Rams, Broncos, Cowboys, and Bucs. Even with a good oline, this team was not beating them nor would they do what they're allergic to doing, which is score 30 points. None of those teams you mention have bad Olines. Do you see a pattern? And maybe with a functioning Oline they don’t get run off the field. Wouldnt having a good Oline help them score 30 points once in a while?
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 28, 2021 17:33:27 GMT -5
4 turnovers in D, offence was brutal. Jones was below average. Not turning it over was his biggest accomplishment. There is zero running game. We’re one dimensional at it shows. Jones isn’t that elite carry-a-team QB, but with this line there might be 2 of those types of QBs in the NFL. I wouldn’t be upset if the spent both 1sts on o line. You could play 4 practice squad o linemen and get the same level of play. Its absolutely brutal to watch. Yes I’m thrilled with the win, but it was 100% a D win. Nothing kind to say about the offence. Yup.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 28, 2021 17:35:48 GMT -5
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Well Count, that would be 11 new offensive linemen. 3,190 pounds of Richburg? 3300 maxed out - although i’m thinking all 11 won’t be OL. Wait until the Notre Dame game when an amphibian discovers Hamilton lol. Generational!!
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 17:36:21 GMT -5
If they had a decent line Joe Judge would prove he is a master of clock management. If we had a decent line Joe Judge would not have used a coach's challenge on a turnover. If we had a decent line Joe Judge would actually hold his players accountable. If we had a decent line........ That’s fair to say. So let’s put it at what, 80% Oline inability and 20% coaching inability?
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 28, 2021 17:38:47 GMT -5
Right now Jones is playing like a QB that has no faith in his Oline. And there isn’t a single fan in the world that could blame him. Those guys in the middle are horrible. Solder is even worse than that. Garrett is not a good OC. But it’s obvious, he’s wasn’t the problem. He was a big part of the problem, but not the only problem, imo.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 28, 2021 17:44:21 GMT -5
People tend to forget getting cooked by the Rams, Broncos, Cowboys, and Bucs. Even with a good oline, this team was not beating them nor would they do what they're allergic to doing, which is score 30 points. If only we made that one block, or got that extra yard we would be 11-0 right now. Look, I’m happy about the win. Ugly wins are better than pretty losses. And that game, was elephant man ugly. But, when fans have to take out the excuse book and cite page 23 on why the team performs the way they do. It goes on deaf ears. Topic of this thread is Daniel Jones, and yet everyone and their mothers are pointing the finger at the offensive line. Earth to fans, we all know the line blows. Their is no such thing as a perfect scenario. I’m sure the whole league wishes all their players were healthy, and playing like hall of famers. When I see a 3rd year quarterback who needs everything to go right to be pedestrian, he’s not the quarterback for me. We won this game on the backs of our defense, and the arm of Jalen Hurts..
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 17:48:18 GMT -5
People tend to forget getting cooked by the Rams, Broncos, Cowboys, and Bucs. Even with a good oline, this team was not beating them nor would they do what they're allergic to doing, which is score 30 points. If only we made that one block, or got that extra yard we would be 11-0 right now. Look, I’m happy about the win. Ugly wins are better than pretty losses. And that game, was elephant man ugly. But, when fans have to take out the excuse book and cite page 23 on why the team performs the way they do. It goes on deaf ears. Topic of this thread is Daniel Jones, and yet everyone and their mothers are pointing the finger at the offensive line. Earth to fans, we all know the line blows. Their is no such thing as a perfect scenario. I’m sure the whole league wishes all their players were healthy, and playing like hall of famers. When I see a 3rd year quarterback who needs everything to go right to be pedestrian, he’s not the quarterback for me. We won this game on the backs of our defense, and the arm of Jalen Hurts.. I don’t agree. I think this Oline is so bad that we don’t even know if Jones is pedestrian or not. I think it’s impossible to judge the guy.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 28, 2021 17:50:10 GMT -5
Right now Jones is playing like a QB that has no faith in his Oline. And there isn’t a single fan in the world that could blame him. Those guys in the middle are horrible. Solder is even worse than that. Garrett is not a good OC. But it’s obvious, he’s wasn’t the problem. We're coming off a brutal loss, a short week to install an entirely new offense, down key players. You can't make any comparisons between Garrett and Kitchens based on one game.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Nov 28, 2021 17:52:21 GMT -5
We will be looking for excuses for him for the next few years if it looks like crap it probably is. Justin Herbert had a terrible OL worse than ours and does one look like the other ? Oh yeah and for those using the WR excuse Mike Williams missed all of last season due to injury and Keen Allan Missed a few games too so yeah lets stop it.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 28, 2021 17:53:16 GMT -5
People tend to forget getting cooked by the Rams, Broncos, Cowboys, and Bucs. Even with a good oline, this team was not beating them nor would they do what they're allergic to doing, which is score 30 points. None of those teams you mention have bad Olines. Do you see a pattern? And maybe with a functioning Oline they don’t get run off the field. Wouldnt having a good Oline help them score 30 points once in a while? I don't know man. IMO, I've seen this team on offense play like crap whether the oline blocked well or not. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the whole offense (players and coaching) have been an abomination. Also, the WFT and Atlanta have subpar olines as well. That didn't stop them from beating the Giants. Our team is right where they should be in the standings in my mind and better oline play would not change their record.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 28, 2021 17:54:38 GMT -5
If a team can't block and make no mistake they can't you can put Brady or Rodgers or Mahomes it ain't happening. gotta disagree my guy, they certainly would put up better numbers. Take today for instance, we were spotted free points time and time again with turnovers etc and still only put up 13 points. Yes, the oline is trash, but Jones isn't very good either. 20tds in a season and a half.. nah.. that's on DJ just as much as the oline Can't argue it he is having a rough time for sure, I still don't believe we would get much more out of anyone else right now i mean the game plan has to be limited because of time constraints, I'm not saying completely he isn't the problem what I want to know is who he is when he has what most QBs have some time a decent run game, might not see it here maybe else where.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Nov 28, 2021 17:56:16 GMT -5
If only we made that one block, or got that extra yard we would be 11-0 right now. Look, I’m happy about the win. Ugly wins are better than pretty losses. And that game, was elephant man ugly. But, when fans have to take out the excuse book and cite page 23 on why the team performs the way they do. It goes on deaf ears. Topic of this thread is Daniel Jones, and yet everyone and their mothers are pointing the finger at the offensive line. Earth to fans, we all know the line blows. Their is no such thing as a perfect scenario. I’m sure the whole league wishes all their players were healthy, and playing like hall of famers. When I see a 3rd year quarterback who needs everything to go right to be pedestrian, he’s not the quarterback for me. We won this game on the backs of our defense, and the arm of Jalen Hurts.. I don’t agree. I think this Oline is so bad that we don’t even know if Jones is pedestrian or not. I think it’s impossible to judge the guy. Problem is you can't pay him the type of money a starting QB makes and think you going to field a competitive team when your QB is only average. You can only go on with what he's done and it hasn't been much Gettlemen said Jones looks exactly like ELI well he must have been talking about Washed Eli's final 3 seasons.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 28, 2021 17:56:19 GMT -5
If only we made that one block, or got that extra yard we would be 11-0 right now. Look, I’m happy about the win. Ugly wins are better than pretty losses. And that game, was elephant man ugly. But, when fans have to take out the excuse book and cite page 23 on why the team performs the way they do. It goes on deaf ears. Topic of this thread is Daniel Jones, and yet everyone and their mothers are pointing the finger at the offensive line. Earth to fans, we all know the line blows. Their is no such thing as a perfect scenario. I’m sure the whole league wishes all their players were healthy, and playing like hall of famers. When I see a 3rd year quarterback who needs everything to go right to be pedestrian, he’s not the quarterback for me. We won this game on the backs of our defense, and the arm of Jalen Hurts.. I don’t agree. I think this Oline is so bad that we don’t even know if Jones is pedestrian or not. I think it’s impossible to judge the guy. Good quarterbacks don’t need everything working for them to succeed. It helps, sure. But, when the price tag is going to be $20 million next year. I want the quarterback to rise to the occasion, instead of falling with the rest of them.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 28, 2021 17:58:03 GMT -5
They would have 3 more wins with a decent Oline. They have a good D. Not great but at least top 15. But their Oline kills every drive. 2 of those 3 actually are just not dropping TDs and or getting them called back dropping picks the OL wan't great but they did enough in washington and with Atlanta they should have dropped 45 on WFT and Picked matty ice 3 times and once in the end zone.
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Post by Roswell on Nov 28, 2021 18:01:23 GMT -5
I don’t agree. I think this Oline is so bad that we don’t even know if Jones is pedestrian or not. I think it’s impossible to judge the guy. Good quarterbacks don’t need everything working for them to succeed. It helps, sure. But, when the price tag is going to be $20 million next year. I want the quarterback to rise to the occasion, instead of falling with the rest of them. You’re right. And I’m not saying he’s a top flight QB. I’m saying it’s impossible to judge the guy with this Oline. They’re one of the worst in the league.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 28, 2021 18:04:17 GMT -5
People tend to forget getting cooked by the Rams, Broncos, Cowboys, and Bucs. Even with a good oline, this team was not beating them nor would they do what they're allergic to doing, which is score 30 points. If only we made that one block, or got that extra yard we would be 11-0 right now. Look, I’m happy about the win. Ugly wins are better than pretty losses. And that game, was elephant man ugly. But, when fans have to take out the excuse book and cite page 23 on why the team performs the way they do. It goes on deaf ears. Topic of this thread is Daniel Jones, and yet everyone and their mothers are pointing the finger at the offensive line. Earth to fans, we all know the line blows. Their is no such thing as a perfect scenario. I’m sure the whole league wishes all their players were healthy, and playing like hall of famers. When I see a 3rd year quarterback who needs everything to go right to be pedestrian, he’s not the quarterback for me. We won this game on the backs of our defense, and the arm of Jalen Hurts.. I agree with all of this. Jones seems to be the type of guy that needs everything around him functioning properly to be even mediocre. To me, the Giants entire offense is a mess.
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