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Post by nyg2 on Mar 14, 2024 23:40:06 GMT -5
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Post by inconvenientruth on Mar 15, 2024 0:13:10 GMT -5
I think Drews looking at his options. NYG makes sense. Giants want to limit Jones next year. That injury risk loomes for 25'. It materially impacts Joe S, if Giants have decided Jones is not their 'guy'. An incremental $50MM cap hit from Jones is he doesn't pass a physical a year from now However, I still believe they add to the QB room in the draft. Almost certainly. I think Penix could be had with their second round pick if they don't take one in the first.
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Post by PennState1 on Mar 15, 2024 1:00:01 GMT -5
Can’t listen to anything this time of year. It’s all games and deception
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Post by giantbob71 on Mar 15, 2024 1:14:56 GMT -5
This is going to be the most exciting NFL QB competition since Marriota vs. Ridder! You'll be able to cut the tension with a rusty letter opener.
Whoever the Giants rookie QB is, will be thinking that the guy who won't shut up about his moms cooking is a better passer than both of them.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 15, 2024 4:59:50 GMT -5
The Giants sure strongly affirming to the league that they are done with Daniel Jones. Or, is this just them masterfully blowing smoke... During smoke season? Lock is the answer to a question nobody asked. In now way saying we are sitting pretty with Jones, but putting our hopes on Lock is a marginally less horrible decision than putting them on Jones…which is a pretty bad decision itself. Would I want him if we drafted a QB? I think I would be ok with it.
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Post by te88 on Mar 15, 2024 5:30:24 GMT -5
Of course he will.
Jones was immediately outplayed by Taylor and based on his 2023-2024 game film barely has a case that he is better than DeVito.
Jones took 30 sacks because he was holding the ball playing chicken shit QB. He ruined his reputation going out there and playing like that.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 15, 2024 5:53:44 GMT -5
i have no idea what Jones is planning nor am I 100% sold this front office knows. We’re at #6 despite having a bottom 2/3 roster. The Giants may trade up a spot for a QB and it wouldn’t shock me if they went WR, gloated over the kid, only to find the OL failed again and the QB can’t read a defense or throw. This team could end up picking #1 in 2025 with no QB worth drafting. Just about to get to bed, read this post and now I shall have nightmares...cause it's based on been there and done that true possibilities. If we have nobody to dance with for a QB, or the QB left is Bo Nix at Six, we really need to trade out with anybody.... shore up more LOS .... especially OL. if the Giants aren’t going QB, I agree. Trade back. No, imo they cannot go Bo Nix. This McCarthy talk, idk if it’s 100% legit b/c too many have said the same thing. They ran the ball a lot so he didn’t have to throw. Well, guess what? When you successfully run the ball a lot it does become easier to pass. Doesn’t it? Pro-style offense. Ok, that might really help. Idk sure would be easier had this 2nd/3rd ranked roster been picking in the top 3.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 15, 2024 5:55:32 GMT -5
This is going to be the most exciting NFL QB competition since Marriota vs. Ridder! You'll be able to cut the tension with a rusty letter opener. Whoever the Giants rookie QB is, will be thinking that the guy who won't shut up about his mom’cooking is a better passer than both of them. Dottino will make is sounds like Montana vs Marino with every receiver looking like Jerry Rice.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 15, 2024 6:23:49 GMT -5
1. Lock seems like a decent backup.
2. If we don’t draft a QB early, he’ll start at some point during the season. I’d bet a few mortgage payments on that.
3. I don’t think he’s going to suddenly find the magic he’s been missing. He played in Seattle, the place that turned Geno into a starter. He’s been exposed to a QB whisperer already. He is what he looks like.
4. It will infuriate some fans here, but as soon as DJ is healthy they’re going to give him another chance to be what they thought he was after 22’. If he looks like DJ, even if he looks like 22’ DJ +30%, they’ll still sit him and use that like a movie preview to see if they can move him.
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Post by Merlin on Mar 15, 2024 6:32:45 GMT -5
Reading the tea leaves. If they were done with Jones right now. Then they most likely would have signed Russ who is a more proven player than Lock or Jones for that matter. This would have been more concrete proof. The signing of Lock just comes off to me as a solid market based decision. He has starter experience, still young enough to have potential to improve and catch lightning in a bottle. And $5mil isn't a hefty price for an experienced backup. Still think Jones is gone after this season though unless a miracle happens for him. If you were Russ trying to resurrect your career, on a cheap 1 year deal would you choose the Giants or Steelers? That's why he isn't here IMO If Giants want him then they offer more than security than a 1 year $1.2mil offer that Steelers did.
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Post by Merlin on Mar 15, 2024 6:34:51 GMT -5
Reading the tea leaves. If they were done with Jones right now. Then they most likely would have signed Russ who is a more proven player than Lock or Jones for that matter. This would have been more concrete proof. The signing of Lock just comes off to me as a solid market based decision. He has starter experience, still young enough to have potential to improve and catch lightning in a bottle. And $5mil isn't a hefty price for an experienced backup. Still think Jones is gone after this season though unless a miracle happens for him. I think Russ probably heard the giants out of due diligence, but he knew the stealers was the better choice. There was no shot the giants were getting russ even if they wanted him A 2 year deal worth more than $1.2mil per probably swings the pendulum.
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 15, 2024 6:42:02 GMT -5
Just about to get to bed, read this post and now I shall have nightmares...cause it's based on been there and done that true possibilities. If we have nobody to dance with for a QB, or the QB left is Bo Nix at Six, we really need to trade out with anybody.... shore up more LOS .... especially OL. if the Giants aren’t going QB, I agree. Trade back. No, imo they cannot go Bo Nix. This McCarthy talk, idk if it’s 100% legit b/c too many have said the same thing. They ran the ball a lot so he didn’t have to throw. Well, guess what? When you successfully run the ball a lot it does become easier to pass. Doesn’t it? Pro-style offense. Ok, that might really help. Idk sure would be easier had this 2nd/3rd ranked roster been picking in the top 3.
I don’t know if this JJ talk is real either. Every time I hear some NFL talking head deciding for all of us what JJ is I smirk. They aren’t doing the work scouts are. They’re as useless as us fans. They watch games 🤯🤯🤯🥱. They’re just fans at this point. What I am 100% certain of, if we pick a QB in the first two rounds they are betting their careers on that pick. Fans talk about picking a QB with a “you have to” attitude, and I honestly believe JS is going to prioritize finding starters over filling needs. This isn’t a 100 to 0 comment where he’ll ignore needs, but he’s moved money from RB and S to the two lines. A lot of us had an opinion that this team really couldn’t support a developing QB because of its fundamental gaps and flaws. It feels like he’s going to fill in those gaps and flaws and if the only piece missing is a QB, he’ll live with that for now.
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Post by hadenough on Mar 15, 2024 6:45:19 GMT -5
Only in Giants land can a GM sign a QB to $50 mil contract…then turn around the next season and bring in someone for $5mil…and tell them they have a chance to start. 🤦♂️
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Post by Merlin on Mar 15, 2024 6:58:49 GMT -5
Only in Giants land can a GM sign a QB to $50 mil contract…then turn around the next season and bring in someone for $5mil…and tell them they have a chance to start. 🤦♂️ Jones did end up tearing his ACL and has one year left before being cuttable. Can't bank on him coming right back and being the teams future. Its the GM's job to cover for the different variables.
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Post by Analyst on Mar 15, 2024 7:14:14 GMT -5
Only in Giants land can a GM sign a QB to $50 mil contract…then turn around the next season and bring in someone for $5mil…and tell them they have a chance to start. 🤦♂️ Jones did end up tearing his ACL and has one year left before being cuttable. Can't bank on him coming right back and being the teams future. Its the GM's job to cover for the different variables. "Being cuttable". I keep hearing that. Sure they can cut him, and eat $22M. And if he plays this year and gets hurt, which he most likely will if he plays, they would have to eat over $50M in 2025 if they want to cut him. So, what do they do? Joe Schoen screwed himself and Dabs with that contract. DJ had an injury history already. If there was an injury clause, it should have helped the Giants and not Jones.
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Post by te88 on Mar 15, 2024 7:27:14 GMT -5
Jones did end up tearing his ACL and has one year left before being cuttable. Can't bank on him coming right back and being the teams future. Its the GM's job to cover for the different variables. "Being cuttable". I keep hearing that. Sure they can cut him, and eat $22M. And if he plays this year and gets hurt, which he most likely will if he plays, they would have to eat over $50M in 2025 if they want to cut him. So, what do they do? Joe Schoen screwed himself and Dabs with that contract. DJ had an injury history already. If there was an injury clause, it should have helped the Giants and not Jones. Yeah the injury clause is truly boneheaded. Whoever the legal folks were that advised on that are dopes. They should have compromised and said no injury guarantee but we will give you more at signing. Try to set up your future years to be clear.
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Post by Merlin on Mar 15, 2024 7:46:08 GMT -5
Jones did end up tearing his ACL and has one year left before being cuttable. Can't bank on him coming right back and being the teams future. Its the GM's job to cover for the different variables. "Being cuttable". I keep hearing that. Sure they can cut him, and eat $22M. And if he plays this year and gets hurt, which he most likely will if he plays, they would have to eat over $50M in 2025 if they want to cut him. So, what do they do? Joe Schoen screwed himself and Dabs with that contract. DJ had an injury history already. If there was an injury clause, it should have helped the Giants and not Jones. They thought they were better than they were and pushed Jones money to the back end looking to capitalize on the early savings to continue to field a playoff caliber team. The overall salary of Jones first 2 years of his contract is less than the franchise tag. Last year his cap hit was like $15mil. They put their focus more towards that than his long term availability. Which as we can see was a miscalculation. If they paid him more upfront over signing of like Campbell and trade for Waller. Reducing his cap over these next 2 years would of been better off. I'm sure Scheon has learned a lot from this experience.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 15, 2024 7:50:45 GMT -5
if the Giants aren’t going QB, I agree. Trade back. No, imo they cannot go Bo Nix. This McCarthy talk, idk if it’s 100% legit b/c too many have said the same thing. They ran the ball a lot so he didn’t have to throw. Well, guess what? When you successfully run the ball a lot it does become easier to pass. Doesn’t it? Pro-style offense. Ok, that might really help. Idk sure would be easier had this 2nd/3rd ranked roster been picking in the top 3.
I don’t know if this JJ talk is real either. Every time I hear some NFL talking head deciding for all of us what JJ is I smirk. They aren’t doing the work scouts are. They’re as useless as us fans. They watch games 🤯🤯🤯🥱. They’re just fans at this point. What I am 100% certain of, if we pick a QB in the first two rounds they are betting their careers on that pick. Fans talk about picking a QB with a “you have to” attitude, and I honestly believe JS is going to prioritize finding starters over filling needs. This isn’t a 100 to 0 comment where he’ll ignore needs, but he’s moved money from RB and S to the two lines. A lot of us had an opinion that this team really couldn’t support a developing QB because of its fundamental gaps and flaws. It feels like he’s going to fill in those gaps and flaws and if the only piece missing is a QB, he’ll live with that for now. Agree Yes, obviously there are gaps in this roster. QB and OL questions; is the OL a Guard away from being fixed or is everything to the right of the LT still broken? Is the QB (Jones) fixed or is he broken (back/neck/knee) or is he unfixable (read a defense)? With the QB/OL stabilized anybody can make the playoffs while our past decade is an indication one or both have be broken. Idk 🤷
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 15, 2024 7:54:06 GMT -5
"Being cuttable". I keep hearing that. Sure they can cut him, and eat $22M. And if he plays this year and gets hurt, which he most likely will if he plays, they would have to eat over $50M in 2025 if they want to cut him. So, what do they do? Joe Schoen screwed himself and Dabs with that contract. DJ had an injury history already. If there was an injury clause, it should have helped the Giants and not Jones. They thought they were better than they were and pushed Jones money to the back end looking to capitalize on the early savings to continue to field a playoff caliber team. The overall salary of Jones first 2 years of his contract is less than the franchise tag. Last year his cap hit was like $15mil. They put their focus more towards that than his long term availability. Which as we can see was a miscalculation. If they paid him more upfront over signing of like Campbell and trade for Waller. Reducing his cap over these next 2 years would of been better off. I'm sure Scheon has learned a lot from this experience. The money isn’t pushed to the back end b/c the majority of guaranteed money is in the first two years.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 15, 2024 7:56:03 GMT -5
Only in Giants land can a GM sign a QB to $50 mil contract…then turn around the next season and bring in someone for $5mil…and tell them they have a chance to start. 🤦♂️ lol, and if the neither work we can always see who lives at home with their parents. “Can we borrow Tommy? We need him to quarterback the Giants”
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Post by cdngfan on Mar 15, 2024 7:56:11 GMT -5
"Being cuttable". I keep hearing that. Sure they can cut him, and eat $22M. And if he plays this year and gets hurt, which he most likely will if he plays, they would have to eat over $50M in 2025 if they want to cut him. So, what do they do? Joe Schoen screwed himself and Dabs with that contract. DJ had an injury history already. If there was an injury clause, it should have helped the Giants and not Jones. Yeah the injury clause is truly boneheaded. Whoever the legal folks were that advised on that are dopes. They should have compromised and said no injury guarantee but we will give you more at signing. Try to set up your future years to be clear. You pump 5 beers into JS and he’ll tell you he’d like that negotiation back. Rookie GM, rookie HC, both made and won in the playoffs on their first try with a dogshit roster. They thought they had more than they did. They felt the line would improve and the out in the contract was enough, what they couldn’t do (they thought at the time) is tag Jones an have 15 TDs with next to nothing in INTs turn into 30 TDs and no long term deal in place. Just a hunch, I think DJ and his agent played hardball with that contract negotiation, and I think JS is going to do the same with DJ this year. Not as payback, just as a reality of the deal DJ wanted. If DJ is not amazing after a few games, he won’t see the field again this year. Depending on what they do in the draft he may not see the field at all. Fans don’t talk about it, but there’s no requirement that he even sees the field. They could just stash him on IR based on how his recovery has progressed and leave him there. Arizona drafted Josh Rosen and immediately moved up for Kyler right after that. Our fans will think no one has ever made a harsh decision like that so quickly after commuting so much. Lots have.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 15, 2024 8:00:12 GMT -5
Yeah the injury clause is truly boneheaded. Whoever the legal folks were that advised on that are dopes. They should have compromised and said no injury guarantee but we will give you more at signing. Try to set up your future years to be clear. You pump 5 beers into JS and he’ll tell you he’d like that negotiation back. Rookie GM, rookie HC, both made and won in the playoffs on their first try with a dogshit roster. They thought they had more than they did. They felt the line would improve and the out in the contract was enough, what they couldn’t do (they thought at the time) is tag Jones an have 15 TDs with next to nothing in INTs turn into 30 TDs and no long term deal in place. Just a hunch, I think DJ and his agent played hardball with that contract negotiation, and I think JS is going to do the same with DJ this year. Not as payback, just as a reality of the deal DJ wanted. If DJ is not amazing after a few games, he won’t see the field again this year. Depending on what they do in the draft he may not see the field at all. Fans don’t talk about it, but there’s no requirement that he even sees the field. They could just stash him on IR based on how his recovery has progressed and leave him there. Arizona drafted Josh Rosen and immediately moved up for Kyler right after that. Our fans will think no one has ever made a harsh decision like that so quickly after commuting so much. Lots have. Yeah, they didn’t draft them but Denver and Oakland parted ways with their hefty QB contracts.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 15, 2024 8:08:00 GMT -5
I think Russ probably heard the giants out of due diligence, but he knew the stealers was the better choice. There was no shot the giants were getting russ even if they wanted him A 2 year deal worth more than $1.2mil per probably swings the pendulum. I don't think Giants are a desirable place for veterans especially QB. Bad oline, no Wrs and Te that might not play and the focus of DCs just walked. Add in the coaching dysfunction and multiple coaching changes, it not the best place for a QB to prove he still relevant in the league.
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Post by idkaname on Mar 15, 2024 8:57:59 GMT -5
what the **** is wrong with this board?
Drew Lock is 9-14 as starter and has 28 TDs to 23 INTs in the NFL
Clearly he should be QB1.
I really believe some of you are SCARED that Jones might turn out to be decent.
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Post by idkaname on Mar 15, 2024 9:03:07 GMT -5
The Giants sure strongly affirming to the league that they are done with Daniel Jones. Or, is this just them masterfully blowing smoke... During smoke season? Colin Kaepernick new QB#1? He's only been out of the league for 8 years but he still works out! This is our best chance to get rid of Jones!
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Post by Roosevelt on Mar 15, 2024 9:03:26 GMT -5
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Post by imgrate on Mar 15, 2024 9:04:29 GMT -5
This is going to be the most exciting NFL QB competition since Marriota vs. Ridder! You'll be able to cut the tension with a rusty letter opener. Whoever the Giants rookie QB is, will be thinking that the guy who won't shut up about his mom’cooking is a better passer than both of them. Dottino will make is sounds like Montana vs Marino with every receiver looking like Jerry Rice. Makes sense, DJ is the new Montana
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Post by hadenough on Mar 15, 2024 9:10:11 GMT -5
Only in Giants land can a GM sign a QB to $50 mil contract…then turn around the next season and bring in someone for $5mil…and tell them they have a chance to start. 🤦♂️ Jones did end up tearing his ACL and has one year left before being cuttable. Can't bank on him coming right back and being the teams future. Its the GM's job to cover for the different variables. Everyone gets it. The way you put it…makes Joe Schoen look like he’s done right. The way I look at is…Joe Schoen caused this disaster where Lock could potentially start over his $50 mil QB. Not a good look.
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Post by imgrate on Mar 15, 2024 9:10:51 GMT -5
Weird story all around. I could see it being that Lock got the offer from NYG and wanted to leave SEA for some reason that he didnt feel comfortable telling the SEA FO. So, he had his agent tell SEA FO a reason that was inarguable and easy to accept (though, maybe not true) - that he has a better opportunity to start in NY than in SEA. He also probably didnt think it would ever get talked about publicly or get back to Giants.
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Post by imgrate on Mar 15, 2024 9:12:14 GMT -5
Jones did end up tearing his ACL and has one year left before being cuttable. Can't bank on him coming right back and being the teams future. Its the GM's job to cover for the different variables. Everyone gets it. The way you put it…makes Joe Schoen look like he’s done right. The way I look at is…Joe Schoen caused this disaster where Lock could potentially start over his $50 mil QB. Not a good look. Losing games with DJ isnt a good look, either. At the end of the day, thats all thatll matter to Joe. Who’s going to get me the most wins
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